Help with Optimizing a Mysterious Stranger 3.P

[Tokuhara]

Ok. Tomorrow night, I have a campaign with my friends. This is the party thus-far:

Half-Elf Inquisitor 1 [Aiming for "Holy Assassin" build with Slayer of Domiel]
Incarnate Maug 1 (2 RHD 1 LA, LA is waived) [Future Frenzied Ubercharger]
Warforged Archon (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/s/archon) 1 [Future Gish-tastic Suel Archanamach]
Myself: Human Gunslinger 1 (Mysterious Stranger Archetype)

Yes, our party is FAR from epic, but I forsee some cool alternatives to the "Classic" party.

I'm more of the Party Face, but I can fight.

Here's what I'm looking for:

A D&D translation of "The Man With No Name"
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/079/d/7/man_with_no_name_by_alanrobinson.jpg

He has a flaw called Amnesia (I have no memories or name to my rememberence) and will take Noncombatant (-2 for Melee attacks)

I am allowed to use Iaijutsu Focus for my gunslinging (House Rule) if I can legally obtain it

I have a revolver (modeled off of a modified Colt Dragoon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Dragoon_Revolver)) as my starting firearm (1d8 damage)

I am allowed to use any 3.0/3.5/PF source, so feel free to dig out 3.0 feats, 3.5 PrCs, and PF goodies.

We start at level 1 and intend to go to 20

I kind of want to be mostly Gunslinger with as few dip-outs as possible. Remember: I am Clint Eastwood's character in spirit, so don't go too far outside the box.


Thank you to everyone who gives me a hand

[Tokuhara]

Anybody???

[AugustNights]

Looks like you have everything all planned out, what is it you need help with?

If you can manage ToB and Homebrew, I'd recommend getting your hands on some of this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5471518) action.

[Tokuhara]

Looks like you have everything all planned out, what is it you need help with?

If you can manage ToB and Homebrew, I'd recommend getting your hands on some of this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5471518) action.

I don't know what feats, PrCs, and other useful stuff I will need

[Chilingsworth]

If you're lawfully aligned, take a level of OA samauri to get iajistu focus as a class skill, also take Able learner as one of your 1st level feats so you'll be able to advance the skill cheeply. Also, see if you can get your dm to let your samauri bonuses apply to your gun instead of a sword. If (s)he is letting you use iajitsu focus on your gun, then there's a good chance you'll be able to do that as well.

Thematically, I don't see how samauri would be all that inappropriate for the character, as long as your gun can replace the samaurai sword.

[Tokuhara]

If you're lawfully aligned, take a level of OA samauri to get iajistu focus as a class skill, also take Able learner as one of your 1st level feats so you'll be able to advance the skill cheeply. Also, see if you can get your dm to let your samauri bonuses apply to your gun instead of a sword. If (s)he is letting you use iajitsu focus on your gun, then there's a good chance you'll be able to do that as well.

Thematically, I don't see how samauri would be all that inappropriate for the character, as long as your gun can replace the samaurai sword.

I was going to take Able Learner, but he claims he wants classes to play "as written," so OA samurai is a no-go

[faceroll]

Would two guns be better than one gun?

[Tokuhara]

Would two guns be better than one gun?

TWF is a lot of feats for not a lot of spice. I prefer 1 gun, so I can quick draw more realistically. Besides, how do you fan a pair of revolvers simeultaneously?

[Krazzman]

TWF is a lot of feats for not a lot of spice. I prefer 1 gun, so I can quick draw more realistically. Besides, how do you fan a pair of revolvers simeultaneously?

Being Alchemist and took 2 extra arms?

I don't know, but maybe you could try this one for some help: click me (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11719683)

Hope this helps.

[Tokuhara]

Being Alchemist and took 2 extra arms?

I don't know, but maybe you could try this one for some help: click me (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11719683)

Hope this helps.

Helps out with Grit abilities, but what about PrC choices and Feats?

[Chained Birds]

There is a 3rd Party Theme feat called, "The Man with Two Guns is God." It grants you two-weapon fighting and quickdraw. It also allows you to attack an enemy without recieving an AoO as long as you drew your gun the same turn you attack with it. You can only take this feat at 1st level.
The feat can be found in the 3rd-party Feat section of the pfsrd.
PF wise:
- Snap Shot (plus its chain): Allows your ranged weapon a 5-10ft theaten area. Also removes AoO for firing you guns as AoO.

[Krazzman]

I would say, since in our campaigns our archers got charged pretty often, deadly aim is godly since you'll probably only shooting as touch attacks.

So Feats:
Able Learner would be nice, Point Blank and Precise shot, your melees would appreciate this, deadly aim, deft shootist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/deft-shootist-deed-grit), vital strike chain(for saving your bullets) or clustered shots (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/clustered-shots-combat) to dispose of that nasty DR, hammer the gap (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/hammer-the-gap-combat) and (don't know if that would be effective) rapid reload(Colt) (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rapid-reload-combat---final).

Hope that helps

[Chained Birds]

Clustered Shot is a poor choice as Gunslingers gain a deed naturally that grants them this. Dead Eye Shot I think... Fairy uncertain but its on there...

[Tokuhara]

I would say, since in our campaigns our archers got charged pretty often, deadly aim is godly since you'll probably only shooting as touch attacks.

So Feats:
Able Learner would be nice, Point Blank and Precise shot, your melees would appreciate this, deadly aim, deft shootist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/deft-shootist-deed-grit), vital strike chain(for saving your bullets) or clustered shots (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/clustered-shots-combat) to dispose of that nasty DR, hammer the gap (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/hammer-the-gap-combat) and (don't know if that would be effective) rapid reload(Colt) (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rapid-reload-combat---final).

Hope that helps

Aight.
DM said, "Prepare for an Undead Nightmare." To that, I said, "God, I hate Zombies."

So we are expecting RDR:UN-based campaign

[Chained Birds]

Hmm, then bring an oversized hammer around with you, as your bullets will fly right through many skeletal undead. You could mult-class into the gun wielding Paladin as it would have decent synergy with your high Charisma.

[deuxhero]

Dread Commando (Heros of Battle/Excert) gives full BAB, SA equivlent, armored sneaking, and a boost to int to the ENTIRE PARTY, which helps with IF. You need stealth to qualify though. It will allow you to be a quick drawing cowboy commando, which is awesome.

Factotum 1 (it's not outside) is a +3 bonus on IF plus some other stuff (dependant on how exactly skills are handled in your 3.pf).

[Darthteej]

Huh. I suppose there's no chance he would let you use D20 Modern stuff, is there? Gunslinger (http://www.d20resources.com/modern.d20.srd/classes/advanced/gunslinger.php) might work for a dip, and there's something inherently funny about Gunslinger taking levels in Gunslinger :smalltongue:

[Tokuhara]

This is what the build looks like thus far:

Name: The Man With No Name
(Real Name: Jacob Westbrook, a combination-play of Jake Marston and Clint Eastwood)
Race: Human (Good Old Fashoned)
Class: Mysterious Stranger 10/Gun Saint (Renamed Kensei) 10

Feats:

1: The Man With Two Guns is God, No Name (Bonus), Rapid Reload (Amnesia), Quicker Than The Eye (Noncombatant)
3: Weapon Focus (Revolvers)
6:Combat Reflexes
9: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
12: Extra Grit
15: Signature Deed (Focused Aim)
18: Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Deeds:
1: Focused Aim
3: Gunslinger Initiative
7: Dead Shot

How does it look IYO?

[Lord.Sorasen]

Hmm, then bring an oversized hammer around with you, as your bullets will fly right through many skeletal undead. You could mult-class into the gun wielding Paladin as it would have decent synergy with your high Charisma.

I imagine, with a few exceptions, that standard paladin would be a better bet. Smite evil but doesn't cost 1 grit, lasts more than 1 shot, etc etc.

[Tokuhara]

I imagine, with a few exceptions, that standard paladin would be a better bet. Smite evil but doesn't cost 1 grit, lasts more than 1 shot, etc etc.

The issue to me diving into melee is I get a -2 to Melee BAB

[ThiefInTheNight]

Well, this homebrew PrC (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6029576#post6029576) couldn't be any more appropriate, really.

The entire thread is worth looking at; no idea how well they'll mesh with PF gunfighting, but at the very least there's some solid ideas in there.

[Tokuhara]

Well, this homebrew PrC (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6029576#post6029576) couldn't be any more appropriate, really.

The entire thread is worth looking at; no idea how well they'll mesh with PF gunfighting, but at the very least there's some solid ideas in there.

Very good design. But seriously, IMO, you got epically robbed.

[ThiefInTheNight]

Very good design. But seriously, IMO, you got epically robbed.
Who wha? I did not partake in that contest; I wasn't even a member at the time!

[Lord.Sorasen]

The issue to me diving into melee is I get a -2 to Melee BAB

Paladin smite in Pathfinder doesn't require melee. It's one target, all attacks, until slain.

[Krazzman]

Weapon Focus? Really? Is it some sort of Prerec for something?

Else I would ditch this and take any other feat, even extra grit would be more useful IMO.

[Tokuhara]

Weapon Focus? Really? Is it some sort of Prerec for something?

Else I would ditch this and take any other feat, even extra grit would be more useful IMO.

Needed for Kensei, along with Combat Reflexes