spell selection for an 8th level ratman sorcerer

[big teej]

greetings playgrounders, I need to create a "themed" spellcasting list for a sorcerer.


he'll be level 8 and is Chaotic Evil.


I'm aiming for really "showy" and "extra painful-looking" spells. do not concern yourself with efficiency. instead focus on terrifying in appearence and causin an excess of pain.


please offer as many suggestions as possible.

if you have any questions let me know.

[hex0]

Take the spell thematics feat and make your make your magic missles look like muscles? Im confused by your request...

Bigsbys spell are pretty muscle like.

[deuxhero]

Power Word Pain+ the DotUD feat that makes it give a will save penalty to attacked enemies.

[BobVosh]

Extract water elemental is the most painful looking spell I have ever seen.
From SpC and one of the completes I believe, I want to CArc.

[Quirp]

After looking through Complete Arcane/Mage:
CA
burning blood Lv4
CM
boiling blood Lv2
crystalline memories Lv2
prickling torment Lv3
finger of agony Lv4
fever dream Lv5

All of those seem to be quite unpleasent.

[Kol Korran]

i'm not a walking dspell book, but i'd suggest to just say the ratman goes of a different tradition, and so his spell look a bit different. with visual auditory and perhaps fake sensations.

what books do you have available? do you have the Spell Compendium? this opens a lot of spells).

a few ideas from the core/SRD alone for now:
4th level
- Phantasmal killer: theme it as the target seeing swarms of rats rushing to them from ALL sides, trying to devour him/ her.
- black tentacles (very showy, scarey, and very effective)
- ice strom (good area, not great damage, but no save)
-wall of fire or ice (not very showy)
- enervation- a black ray that sucks the life out of you? creepy. will scare the players as well. VERY effective spell. if you can get to maximize or empower it, even better.
- contagion: immediate disease... very rat like. but not very effective.
- reduce person mass: "you think you are so big? come down to size!"

3rd level
- displacement: waving images trialing/ not fully there/ shadows of self. also very effective.
- stinking cloud.
- gaseous form (showy, could be usefull for escape)
- vampiric touch: "your pain, my gain!"

2nd level:
- blindness/ deafness: "i take your eyes, i take your sight!"
- darkness (showy)
- touch of idiocy: (flavor it as losing your mind, having it shred apart)
- acid arrow: "corrodes your flesh, eat at your meat! soon bare bones!"

1st level
- reduce person (as mentioned above)
- ray of enfeeblement: "weak you grow, muscles flounder. no strength, you fall!"
- shocking grasp: flavored as pain instead of electricity: "my touch, you suffer!"
- cause fear: see despair and flee! (works only on 5HD or less)

hope this helped? :smallconfused:

[LansXero]

there is also avascular mass (although its a bit above your level I think) which is very... painful x__x (your blood vessels are pulled out of you and made into a web. ugh).

[Runestar]

Check out book of vile darkness?

[big teej]

i'm not a walking dspell book, but i'd suggest to just say the ratman goes of a different tradition, and so his spell look a bit different. with visual auditory and perhaps fake sensations.

what books do you have available? do you have the Spell Compendium? this opens a lot of spells).

a few ideas from the core/SRD alone for now:
4th level
- Phantasmal killer: theme it as the target seeing swarms of rats rushing to them from ALL sides, trying to devour him/ her.
- black tentacles (very showy, scarey, and very effective)
- ice strom (good area, not great damage, but no save)
-wall of fire or ice (not very showy)
- enervation- a black ray that sucks the life out of you? creepy. will scare the players as well. VERY effective spell. if you can get to maximize or empower it, even better.
- contagion: immediate disease... very rat like. but not very effective.
- reduce person mass: "you think you are so big? come down to size!"

3rd level
- displacement: waving images trialing/ not fully there/ shadows of self. also very effective.
- stinking cloud.
- gaseous form (showy, could be usefull for escape)
- vampiric touch: "your pain, my gain!"

2nd level:
- blindness/ deafness: "i take your eyes, i take your sight!"
- darkness (showy)
- touch of idiocy: (flavor it as losing your mind, having it shred apart)
- acid arrow: "corrodes your flesh, eat at your meat! soon bare bones!"

1st level
- reduce person (as mentioned above)
- ray of enfeeblement: "weak you grow, muscles flounder. no strength, you fall!"
- shocking grasp: flavored as pain instead of electricity: "my touch, you suffer!"
- cause fear: see despair and flee! (works only on 5HD or less)

hope this helped? :smallconfused:

that actually helps alot.

and to answer the source question.... here we goo...

Player's Handbook
Unearthed Arcana
Oriental Adventures
Dungeon Master's Guide
Races of Stone
Cityscape
Book of Exalted Deeds
Dungeon Master's Guide II
Player's Handbook II
Book of Vile Darkness
Psionics Handbook
Arms and Equipment Guide
Magic of Incarnum
Song and Silence
Sword and Fist
Enemies and Allies
Tome and Blood
Defenders of the faith
masters of the wild

I also recently acquired Complete Adventurer, but I'm leery of using it as I haven't fully read it cover to cover just yet.

I have also just recieved either dungeonscape or complete arcane, but I won't know which for several hours.

I lied, it was races of the wild

[Runestar]

Well, from BOVD,

4th lv - wrack
3rd lv - drown or bestow curse (PHB)
2nd lv - wither limb
1st lv - ray of enfeeblement (PHB)