Learning Spells from Another Class's List

[Yorae]

Is this practically possible via any sort of feat, if I wanted to, say, learn a Wu Jen spell as a Wizard? Like, Expanded Knowledge, but for spells instead of powers?

[Fax Celestis]

Extra Spell may or may not let you do that. Ask your DM. As a DM, I generally allow the Expanded Knowledge (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#expandedKnowledge) feat work for spellcasters as well.

[Keld Denar]

There are a few ways. Wyrm Wizard does it. I think Recaster does it. Debatably Master Specialist does it. Arcane Disciple does it (assuming the spell exists on a domain).

[Yorae]

Extra Spell may or may not let you do that. Ask your DM. As a DM, I generally allow the Expanded Knowledge (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#expandedKnowledge) feat work for spellcasters as well.

Oh. Rereading it, it seems that Extra Spell does let you do this - I had always assumed for some reason that it was restricted to your own class list. =X

[Keld Denar]

Thats because that's what's in the FAQ. Then again, half of the time, Skip doesn't even know how his own game works.

[Curmudgeon]

Extra Spell has to apply only to your own spell list, because there's no translation (table or formula) to determine at what level on list X a particular spell from list Y would fall. We know spells aren't necessarily at the same level when translated to another list; for instance, the Cleric 4 spell Control Water becomes a level 6 spell on a Wizard list.

Extra Spell can only function on a spell that's lower than the maximum level you can cast, so it won't work unless you can positively say what the final level would be when added to your list. Because the feat doesn't include any information to facilitate such translations, you're stuck with just the spells that already have published level information for your class.

[Andion Isurand]

The halfling wizard substitution levels in Dragon Magazine 337 allow for this...

IIRC... at levels 3 (and 12), you can pick any 1st (and 5th) level spell from any list and make it a 2nd (and 6th) level spell for your wizard class if its not already on the wizard spell list... in exchange for the 2 spells normally learned for free at that level.

[Demon of Death]

While this may not be what you are wanting, if you play an Archivist you can learn any divine spell as long as you know one of that class as you have Scribe Scroll.

[dspeyer]

There's always Arcane Disciple. It's amazing how many spells are on some domain list somewhere. Granted, there's still the 1 domain spell per level*day limit.

[hex0]

There is also Prestige Bard, Paladin, and Ranger, of course.

[Treblain]

Play an Archivist with Extra Spell (Anyspell, Greater). For spells higher than Anyspell's limit, use Miracle/Wish or cast Anyspell on scrolls that had negative metamagic on them. You can now cast anything.

[Chronos]

Unseen Seer will also let you get divinations from any list.

[Psyren]

Extra Spell has to apply only to your own spell list, because there's no translation (table or formula) to determine at what level on list X a particular spell from list Y would fall. We know spells aren't necessarily at the same level when translated to another list; for instance, the Cleric 4 spell Control Water becomes a level 6 spell on a Wizard list.

Extra Spell can only function on a spell that's lower than the maximum level you can cast, so it won't work unless you can positively say what the final level would be when added to your list. Because the feat doesn't include any information to facilitate such translations, you're stuck with just the spells that already have published level information for your class.

Thing is, Psionics simply plays the numbers straight and has no problem. For instance, Oak Body is a 7th-level power for Psions and 5th-level power for Psychic Warriors. Through EK, a psion can learn the Psywar version 2 levels earlier than they would have gotten theirs naturally.

The only major snag with spellcasting is the divine vs. arcane distinction, and there are feats for that too.

[Thurbane]

Play an Archivist with Extra Spell (Anyspell, Greater). For spells higher than Anyspell's limit, use Miracle/Wish or cast Anyspell on scrolls that had negative metamagic on them. You can now cast anything.
I believe Anyspell only works when cast using a domain spell slot.

[Viktyr Gehrig]

There's always Arcane Disciple. It's amazing how many spells are on some domain list somewhere. Granted, there's still the 1 domain spell per level*day limit.

Only for prepared casters. I always found the more onerous limitation to be the Wisdom requirement.

If you're in a 3.P environment, Pathfinder Savant will net you six caster levels and six new spells out of seven levels. It's a good candidate for Legacy Champion, especially because of the other benefits of the class.

[dextercorvia]

I believe Anyspell only works when cast using a domain spell slot.

It doesn't have to be cast from a domain slot, but you have to have a domain slot to fill with the new spell.


Only for prepared casters. I always found the more onerous limitation to be the Wisdom requirement.

If you're in a 3.P environment, Pathfinder Savant will net you six caster levels and six new spells out of seven levels. It's a good candidate for Legacy Champion, especially because of the other benefits of the class.

Arcane Disciple doesn't benefit from the normal exception for spontaneous casters.


Each day, you may prepare (or cast, if you cast spells without
preparation) a maximum of one of these domains spells
of each level.

[Viktyr Gehrig]

Arcane Disciple doesn't benefit from the normal exception for spontaneous casters.

Oh, wow. That feat really is terrible.

[Venger]

play a chameleon. add any arcane spell from the list of any arcane caster to your spellbook (when it doubles, use it at the lowest level) prepare divine spells from any divine caster's list, ditto

vancian casting, dual 6ths by level 15, CL of 2x class level.

have fun!

another, cheesier way of doing this is playing as an erudite and taking the web "convert spell to power" ACF which does just what you think it does.

[deuxhero]

Unseen Seer will also let you get divinations from any list.

Note this is way better for offense than it sounds. Hunter's Eye is a divination.

[Venger]

Note this is way better for offense than it sounds. Hunter's Eye is a divination.

so is true strike

[Emperor Tippy]

There is always Spontaneous Divination as well.

You are free to cast any spell marked as a Divination.

Now for more fun, convince your DM to let you do things like use divine Identify so you don't have to pay the material component.

[GoodbyeSoberDay]

There is always Spontaneous Divination as well.

You are free to cast any spell marked as a Divination.

Now for more fun, convince your DM to let you do things like use divine Identify so you don't have to pay the material component.Complete Champion errata changes it to "any spell you know."

[Emperor Tippy]

Complete Champion errata changes it to "any spell you know."
Oh yeah, forgot about that.

[deuxhero]

so is true strike

What class can qualify for US and not have that alreddy?

[JaronK]

Extra Spell has to apply only to your own spell list, because there's no translation (table or formula) to determine at what level on list X a particular spell from list Y would fall. We know spells aren't necessarily at the same level when translated to another list; for instance, the Cleric 4 spell Control Water becomes a level 6 spell on a Wizard list.

Extra Spell can only function on a spell that's lower than the maximum level you can cast, so it won't work unless you can positively say what the final level would be when added to your list. Because the feat doesn't include any information to facilitate such translations, you're stuck with just the spells that already have published level information for your class.

Plenty of classes have an "add a spell from someone else's spell list to yours" mechanic. Warmages, Dread Necromancers, and Beguilers for example. They just get to add the spell at whatever level the people they're stealing it from get it. So if there's a spell that's a Wizard 3 spell and a Wu Jen 5 spell, I can chose to get it at 3 (the Wizard spell) or 5 (the Wu Jen spell).

The only reason Extra Spell doesn't give you any darn thing you like is the Official Game Rules FAQ.

JaronK