[Steam] Thread XXVI: Our Distribution is Augmented

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[Steam] Thread XXVI

⏎ Steam Groups

There's a variety of groups on Steam that certain members from this forum have created related to these games, ranging from vague to actually useful. If you'd like to be part of these, either ask a member of the group you wish to join, or message one of the Administrators there. Or create a new group for a game that hasn't been listed, or otherwise fills a niche. A few of these listed here;


Giant in the Playground (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitp)
Chocolate Hammer (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/chocolatehammer)
GitP L4D2 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitpL4d2)
GitP Killing Floor (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPKF)
GitP/ChHa Competitive TF2 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitpcompetitive)


⏎ Servers


http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.232.183.52:27015/b_560x95.png (http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.232.183.52:27015/)

★ Team Fortress 2
Team Fortress 2 is a team-based first-person shooter multiplayer video game developed by V (http://blackmage.org/supernorn/vv.png)alve Corporation

Interested in trading? Provide, supply or volunteer your items in this spreadsheet (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As_s6rBJ9TGedGFTZlJGX3cycXNqLXlKYlY5TDd2e lE&hl=en&authkey=COrp9Rw#gid=0).
Want to report bad behaviour on either server? Follow these steps (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9682446&postcount=923) to get their Steam ID.

⏎ Chocolate Hammer

Suggestions for add-ons on the Chocolate Hammer server: express your thoughts to Djinn_in_Tonic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=19501).
Suggestions for maps on the Chocolate Hammer server: confer with potatocubed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=12307).
Donations for the Chocolate Hammer server can be made via ClanPay (http://www.gameservers.com/clanpay/?clanid=3644c3cef65750728bb2326562bf3249).
For all the custom maps used on Chocolate Hammer, download these Custom Maps (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1558539/chhacustommaps.zip) (88.4 MB), graciously hosted by one of our members on their DropBox.
⌘ IP: 68.232.183.52:27015

⏎ SHaFT
Super Happy and Fun Time: A slightly more serious/competitive server
Run by Mtg_player_zach
Featuring semi-regular Friday/Saturday friendly competitive matches. Talk to Mtg_player_zach (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=48244) if interested, or just watch this thread.
⌘ IP: 96.8.112.105:27015

★ Minecraft

Minecraft is a game about placing blocks while running from skeletons. Or something like that. The game involves players creating and destroying various types of blocks in a three dimensional environment. The player takes an avatar that can destroy or create blocks, forming fantastic structures, creations and artwork across the various multiplayer servers in multiple game modes.


The server uses a whitelist to allow only certain individuals entry. To add yourself, or any questions, ask Scuzzball (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=49195).
Minecraft thread can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209439).

⌘ IP: scuzzball.serveftp.com:25565

☆ Colloquial

⏎ Mumble

While used primarily for communication between teams in a competitive match, it can also be used as a lounge area for people to meet up and talk to each other.

⌘ IP: fish.mumbleboxes.com:36003

⏎ IRC

There are many ways to connect to and enjoy IRC, either by using a web client, a traditional desktop client, or by using a plugin for your browser / game. A quick how-to join the channel can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461438&postcount=777). If you already have some experience using IRC but would like to know more, once you're inside the channel, any questions you might have should be answered by those already present.

⌘ IP: irc.sorcery.net ; #chocolatehammer ; Password is “chha”


Admins for the various servers


⏎ Chocolate Hammer

Currently known Admins and Moderators



⏎ Minecraft *
Scuzzball (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=49195), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Scuzzball555/))
⏎ Mumble *
potatocubed (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=12307), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197976607284))
Djinn_in_Tonic (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=19501), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheDjinn))
⏎ IRC

kpenguin (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=22480), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198015031943/))
Scorpionica (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=46777), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Emperor_Zombie/))
BlackFox (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=385), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198011616000/))
mightymonarch (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=51355), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198001610785/))
Valaqil (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=47219), Steam (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Valaqil/))



Older Steam Threads:
The Orange Box Thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58949
TOB 2: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97854
TOB 3: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112339
TOB 4: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118059
TOB 5: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121135
TOB 6: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123753
TOB 7: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127092
Then Shadow_Archmagi screwed up the numbering...
6: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132975
7: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136376
8: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142969
9: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147236
10: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150549
And then somehow we skipped 11/XI when we switched to roman numerals, which actually got us a little closer to correct numbering.
XII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155491
XIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157809
XIV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159943
XV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167840
XVI: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163546
XVII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172636
XVIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177656
XIX: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10025844
XX: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186561
XXI: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194272
XXII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200544
XXIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205631
XXIV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208646
XXV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213652

Other Thread of Note:
ChHa TF2 Server Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200755) - Here we try to arrange evenings of gaming, and plan our weekly semi-competitive 6v6 matches.

[Dragero]

Hey look a new thread.

I should start it by saying something clever.

......


......

[Spartacus]

Your thread announcement was lacking in both boldness and size.

[kpenguin]

This might be appropriate:


New thread ho!

Anyway, responding to...


I would be interested in a pre-made character, especially if you'll let me watch you make them. and walk me through the process?

I can whip up a character right tonight and narrate the process of creating the character on a gdoc. Note that my process can be wild and erratic at times. Character creation is rarely a straight line of steps.

[Dragero]

Your thread announcement was lacking in both boldness and size.

That's what she said. When she almost scrolled past the announcement.

Quick question on TF2:

Is there any way to lower the map loading times? I find that I often end up having to wait anywhere from 3-5 minutes for a map to load when connecting to a game. Other source games (CSS, L4D, HL2) take nowhere near as long as TF2 often ends up taking.

[Neftren]

That's what she said. When she almost scrolled past the announcement.

Quick question on TF2:

Is there any way to lower the map loading times? I find that I often end up having to wait anywhere from 3-5 minutes for a map to load when connecting to a game. Other source games (CSS, L4D, HL2) take nowhere near as long as TF2 often ends up taking.

I find L4D2 takes an eternity to load actually...

Perhaps you could try manually allocating RAM (-heapsize)?

[Triscuitable]

C'mon, man, I asked nicely if I could post this one! (And we didn't even get to vote on thread names! That's half the fun of a new thread!)

I find L4D2 takes an eternity to load actually...

On my old PC, it was hell. On my new one, well, let me just say I'm happy I upgraded recently. The i7 2360QM is a savior. It's a great mobile processor, and let me say that I'm impressed they fit a 4-Core CPU into a laptop. Well done, Intel.

Perhaps you could try manually allocating RAM (-heapsize)?
Here, punch this into your launch options. -refresh 60 -high -nojoy -novid -noforcemspd -nofoorcemaccel -noforceparms

That improves load times, CPU priority, and some other stuff. As for heapsize, find the byte count your RAM occupies, and divide it by 2. That's the value you should put after heapsize. With -refresh, your monitor's refresh rate should go there. The other ones just help with removing performance chugging limits. -dxlevel also helps, like -dxlevel 80 (for DirectX 8). It should improve performance in ANY source engine game by about 10-15 FPS, depending on your PC.

Uh, your specs would also help.

[Silverraptor]

Blarg!

There. That's my comment for this thread.

[Triscuitable]

Blarg!

There. That's my comment for this thread.

What is "blarg"? I'm going to assume it's about as viable as "honk" and "shisno".

[blackfox]

C'mon, man, I asked nicely if I could post this one! (And we didn't even get to vote on thread names! That's half the fun of a new thread!)...
http://iambrony.jsmart.web.id/gif/files/RarityWhine-(n1300173824684).gif

[Triscuitable]

...
http://iambrony.jsmart.web.id/gif/files/RarityWhine-(n1300173824684).gif

On-topic: (large image (http://iambrony.jsmart.web.id/gif/files/130775525722.gif?1316803546)) Discuss panel 3. :smallyuk:

I'm not a fan of ponies. Also, if that's the new QQ, then I'm XP. Also, it was a request, not a complaint. And that image is really pissing me off.

You should also NSFW tag that image. If you are in any way easily offended, panel three is whatsername claiming "TF2 is for casuals".

[Fluff & Napalm]

Mmm, new thread smell. Probably cancerous. Much like steam is to my wallet.

[Neftren]

-refresh 60 -high -nojoy -novid -noforcemspd -nofoorcemaccel -noforceparms

None of those options actually contribute to map loading times. I'd rather my refresh rate be variable, thanks, since I have a 75 Hz monitor. -high doesn't actually do anything in Source Engine games IIRC (though -low does work). nojoy disables a nonexistent joystick, and doesn't actually shave any possibly noticeable time (unless you're a freak of nature that can notice say, a few microseconds). Again, novid doesn't change map loading times (and TF2 doesn't even have a loading video as far as I can recall)... so.... and yes, I'm one of those freaks that plays with mouse acceleration on, which the last three terms relate to. So... lesson learned?

Considering I was the one that suggested the heapsize command line argument in the first place, I think I'd know how it works. :smalltongue:

Also, -dxlevel 80 is incompatible with any of the newer Source engine games (the ones not running off Source 2007, a.k.a. hl2.exe, with the shortlist being uh, L4D2, Portal 2, Alien Swarm)...

Assuming of course, your comment was actually directed at me, and not at Drager.


Edit: and Drager, the other one you might want to try is:
+cl_forcepreload 1 (or +cl_forcepreload 0 )

[blackfox]

You should also NSFW tag that image. If you are in any way easily offended, panel three is whatsername claiming "TF2 is for casuals".Oh god it also has a swear in it. Whatever was I thinking. :smalleek:

[Kris Strife]

Mmm, new thread smell. Probably cancerous. Much like steam is to my wallet.

It makes it grow uncontrollably? :smalltongue:

[Fluff & Napalm]

Well the cancer grows, my wallet shrinks and crumbles under the assault.

[Cogwheel]

Oh hey, new thread.

Also, Sword of the Stars is pretty great, if initially obtuse and confusing for an hour or two. I suggest picking it up while it's still ridiculously cheap.

[Shas aia Toriia]

Shisno!
My post for the thread. Take that, Steam!

[Grif]

Oh hey, new thread.

Also, Sword of the Stars is pretty great, if initially obtuse and confusing for an hour or two. I suggest picking it up while it's still ridiculously cheap.

I second this good robot.

[The Linker]

I'm not a fan of ponies.

It's strange. I'd peg you as someone who really be into it. Ah, well, different tastes.


Blarg!

There. That's my comment for this thread.

Well, OK! See you next thread! :smallfrown:

[Neftren]

So, ChHa seems to have been going downhill. :/ People seem to be all rude and sorts now...

[Jahkaivah]

Oh god it also has a swear in it. Whatever was I thinking. :smalleek:

....:smalleek: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0dOtzZcm0I)

[blackfox]

....:smalleek: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0dOtzZcm0I)See, this is one of the very many reasons why we love you.

Also, you should probably know that your Pinkie and the Brain PMV is gaining popularity over on these internets. Got people linking me to it and I get to say 'I KNOW THAT GUY.' It's pretty fantastic.

[xcorvis]

That's what she said. When she almost scrolled past the announcement.

Quick question on TF2:

Is there any way to lower the map loading times? I find that I often end up having to wait anywhere from 3-5 minutes for a map to load when connecting to a game. Other source games (CSS, L4D, HL2) take nowhere near as long as TF2 often ends up taking.

Defrag. It's stupid, but it did improve map load times for me. My computer is junk so they are still quite long, but it did help.

If you have a faster hard drive move the steam folder to it.

[Silverraptor]

Well, OK! See you next thread! :smallfrown:

Oh, come now. You didn't think that was my only post for this thread, did you?:smallwink: I just needed the white text of doom.


See, this is one of the very many reasons why we love you.

Also, you should probably know that your Pinkie and the Brain PMV is gaining popularity over on these internets. Got people linking me to it and I get to say 'I KNOW THAT GUY.' It's pretty fantastic.

Same thing for me too. I actually got to show it to a group of "Hardcore" MLP that just raved about it.:smallbiggrin:

[Volatar]

Your thread announcement was lacking in both boldness and size.

Fixed it.


So, ChHa seems to have been going downhill. :/ People seem to be all rude and sorts now...

I have been spending much of the little time I have on the computer these days playing TF2. I will see what I can do to control things when I am on.

[Triscuitable]

Considering I was the one that suggested the heapsize command line argument in the first place, I think I'd know how it works. :smalltongue:

Also, -dxlevel 80 is incompatible with any of the newer Source engine games (the ones not running off Source 2007, a.k.a. hl2.exe, with the shortlist being uh, L4D2, Portal 2, Alien Swarm)...

Assuming of course, your comment was actually directed at me, and not at Drager.


It was for you. Just putting up the example of what's possible. Plus, I assumed it was Source 2007. (I would've point it out that Left 4 Dead and beyond would not accept DX8, but why? Such a small margin on an already small list.)

Oh well, if you're on a cruddy PC, those help. I just enable them because even though I run a 2GB card, I still enjoy comfort in knowing I've got small increments of improved gameplay. (Also, I don't run in DX8.)

It's strange. I'd peg you as someone who really be into it. Ah, well, different tastes.

It's strange. It's something I want to be a part of, but I feel so childish when I watch it. I guess in comparison to the other shows I watch, it's not as "me-friendly" as I'd like. And the shows I watch consist of a small list of largely adult programming.

Dexter
The Walking Dead
Chuck (I know, for the family, but it's fun.)
Beavis and Butthead
South Park
Torchwood (Not as much Doctor Who as I used to, but oh well.)
Thundercats

As for the last one, I wish it were as popular as the pony phenomena. But I suppose a man can dream. And it's not the new series.

[Geno9999]

It's strange. It's something I want to be a part of, but I feel so childish when I watch it. I guess in comparison to the other shows I watch, it's not as "me-friendly" as I'd like. And the shows I watch consist of a small list of largely adult programming.

Dexter
The Walking Dead
Chuck (I know, for the family, but it's fun.)
Beavis and Butthead
South Park
Torchwood (Not as much Doctor Who as I used to, but oh well.)
Thundercats

As for the last one, I wish it were as popular as the pony phenomena. But I suppose a man can dream. And it's not the new series.

Yeah, I guess MLP:FiM can seem a little kiddish with all the rainbows and cute ponies. HOWEVER!!! I'm curious as to if you've seen "Party of One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1EPEBW9IcU)" or "Lesson Zero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3F49D1WiQ4)", both of which pulled sort of a break the cutie/mental deconstruction with two of the main characters (Pinkie Pie and Twilight Sparkle respectively) and might suit your tastes a little more than the other episodes.

On topic... er... I mean on a new topic relating more to Steam... Does anyone have a spare Widowmaker or Diamondback? I'll give a scrap for either one.

[The Linker]

To add to that, I've been told a cure for the girly thing to is to put it in a cooler framework... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOTl7rXTSk)

But I'll stop pushing it, and this is so not the thread for all this.

...I've just realized that I don't have much to say in this thread any more. It's basically all WoW and making videos these days. I'd play more stuff if I had more drive space...

This is still a great thread for hearing about good deals and buying them to save for when I have space! :smallbiggrin:

[Triscuitable]

Yeah, I guess MLP:FiM can seem a little kiddish with all the rainbows and cute ponies. HOWEVER!!! I'm curious as to if you've seen "Party of One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1EPEBW9IcU)" or "Lesson Zero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3F49D1WiQ4)", both of which pulled sort of a break the cutie/mental deconstruction with two of the main characters (Pinkie Pie and Twilight Sparkle respectively) and might suit your tastes a little more than the other episodes.


Sorry, I'm just not into the show. (And yes, I have seen those episodes.)

[RPharazon]

It was for you. Just putting up the example of what's possible. Plus, I assumed it was Source 2007. (I would've point it out that Left 4 Dead and beyond would not accept DX8, but why? Such a small margin on an already small list.)

Oh well, if you're on a cruddy PC, those help. I just enable them because even though I run a 2GB card, I still enjoy comfort in knowing I've got small increments of improved gameplay. (Also, I don't run in DX8.)

Protip, just for reference: VRAM in laptops is often "shared" with the system RAM.
For example, in my netbook, my Mobility HD6250 has 6250MB of 256MB of dedicated memory, and can take up to 768MB of the system's RAM to get a total of around 1GB of VRAM.
In my old laptop, the video card had 64MB of dedicated memory, but shared 192MB with the system RAM to give a total of 256MB of usable VRAM.
Something very similar is probably happening with you. And again, VRAM is not a measure of graphics processing power in any case. It's misleading, and oftentimes, even in desktop graphics cards, an extra 1GB of dedicated VRAM is worthless if there's a bottleneck in the GPU architecture (and there often is!).

So again, VRAM quantity and manufacturing date are not indicators of performance. (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-gaming-performance,3042-7.html) Also a 540M is kind of equivalent to a desktop 7800GTX by the way.

Not trying to antagonize you or anything. Just illuminating you with tasty computer knowledge. Of deliciousness.

[The-Mage-King]

Huh? New thread? Need to say something witty...

[Morty]

Has anyone noticed a strange thing about taunts in TF2? It seems that many taunts are now replaced with some sort of generic prancing about.

[Etcetera]

Has anyone noticed a strange thing about taunts in TF2? It seems that many taunts are now replaced with some sort of generic prancing about.

It's the thriller dance. Lasts only for Halloween. Every time you taunt it has a random chance to play the thriller dance or the original weapon taunt.

Also, huh. Steam thread is now ponies.

[Grif]

Also, huh. Steam thread is now ponies.

What? :smallconfused:

Anyway, for some reason, I don't feel like collecting the masks. They're all ugly. :smallannoyed:

[Bayar]

So, got some items for sale:

2 Machinas
Diamondback
Homewrecker
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Buff Banner
Claidheamh Mor
Backscratcher
Cloak & Dagger
Mad milk
Frontier Justice
Chargin' targe gifted by Fluttershy (really)

[Dragero]

I'll poke around with the launch options that where posted earlier, although it might just be the fact that my PC is really out of date that's causing this. 2.8ghz dual core, 2gb ram, radeon x1600 gpu is the basics of what I'm working with. Oh, and it's over 5 years old (With regular airblasting/defragging)

It's enough to play most of the older games I enjoy, but I really hope to pick up a new computer before the end of next year. I don't really want to upgrade this thing, I'm pretty sure it's got all the ram it can handle, finding a new compatible gpu would be a pain, and the processor isn't really that bad.

[Morty]

It's the thriller dance. Lasts only for Halloween. Every time you taunt it has a random chance to play the thriller dance or the original weapon taunt.

Also, huh. Steam thread is now ponies.

Ah, I see. Thanks.


So, got some items for sale:

2 Machinas
Diamondback
Homewrecker
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Buff Banner
Claidheamh Mor
Backscratcher
Cloak & Dagger
Mad milk
Chargin' targe gifted by Fluttershy (really)

What are you trading those items for? I might be interested in the Machina or Sharpened Volcano Fragment.

[surikesu]

So, got some items for sale:

2 Machinas
Diamondback
Homewrecker
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Buff Banner
Claidheamh Mor
Backscratcher
Cloak & Dagger
Mad milk
Chargin' targe gifted by Fluttershy (really)
Ooooh. I really want the Charge n' Targe... Er... and the buff banner too, we should trade next time you're on. ^^

[Anonomuss]

So, got some items for sale:

2 Machinas
Diamondback
Homewrecker
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Buff Banner
Claidheamh Mor
Backscratcher
Cloak & Dagger
Mad milk
Chargin' targe gifted by Fluttershy (really)

I would very much like to buy a machina and a diamondback from you, if the price is reasonable and they're still available at the weekend.

[Bayar]

Diamondback and sharpened Volcano fragments are 2 scrap. The rest 1 scrap.

@Anonomuss: I'll keep them for you.

ALSO ! If anyone has a strange gunslinger, I'll buy that from you like the Fist of the West Star.

[Neftren]

It was for you. Just putting up the example of what's possible. Plus, I assumed it was Source 2007. (I would've point it out that Left 4 Dead and beyond would not accept DX8, but why? Such a small margin on an already small list.)

Oh well, if you're on a cruddy PC, those help. I just enable them because even though I run a 2GB card, I still enjoy comfort in knowing I've got small increments of improved gameplay. (Also, I don't run in DX8.)

Here's where a little bit of reading can be incredibly helpful. :smalltongue:
(considering the first of my posts in this particular conversation was directed at Drager...)

I'm on a 2.3 GHz 2820QM with a 6750M (1GB GDDR5), roughly equivalent to a desktop ATi 5770... so I have absolutely no problems running anything at all. :smallbiggrin:


Huh? New thread? Need to say something witty...

Art thou so pretty, so witty, so free?!


I'll poke around with the launch options that where posted earlier, although it might just be the fact that my PC is really out of date that's causing this. 2.8ghz dual core, 2gb ram, radeon x1600 gpu is the basics of what I'm working with. Oh, and it's over 5 years old (With regular airblasting/defragging)

It's enough to play most of the older games I enjoy, but I really hope to pick up a new computer before the end of next year. I don't really want to upgrade this thing, I'm pretty sure it's got all the ram it can handle, finding a new compatible gpu would be a pain, and the processor isn't really that bad.

That's not too out of date. 2.8GHz can be deceptive. Core 2 Duo? Athlon II, Phenom II? What socket are you on? If you're on Intel 775 you can usually find a cheap Core 2 Quad used somewhere. RAM is also cheap. $30-50 can get you up to 8GB depending on type (DDR2 vs. DDR3). The biggest improvement you could put in for is a new GPU. Sadly, that's probably the most expensive... :smallannoyed:













Edit: Bayar, is that Sharpened Volcano Fragment crafted? I'm mildly interested.

[Bayar]

Edit: Bayar, is that Sharpened Volcano Fragment crafted? I'm mildly interested.

Morty already bought it, and no, found. Had found one the last week, and recieved another one from someone who wanted scrap and probably didn't know it's worth.

Edit: Salmon paint, orange paint and an Ellis Cap are also available for purchase.

[Neftren]

Morty already bought it, and no, found. Had found one the last week, and recieved another one from someone who wanted scrap and probably didn't know it's worth.

Edit: Salmon paint, orange paint and an Ellis Cap are also available for purchase.

Oh. Alright then.


Let me know if you pick up another one.

[tyckspoon]

It's the thriller dance. Lasts only for Halloween. Every time you taunt it has a random chance to play the thriller dance or the original weapon taunt.


Best way to make it look cooler, assuming they haven't "fixed" it- find a Huntsman sniper and light his arrow. Get him to do the dance. The fire follows his hands around in a neat figure-eight trace.

[MCerberus]

The thriller dance I've been having fun with. The server cluster I play on has end-round immunity for donators. So I start dancing.

Then the enemy starts dancing around me.
Then the taunt kill.

[RPharazon]

The thriller dance I've been having fun with. The server cluster I play on has end-round immunity for donators. So I start dancing.

Then the enemy starts dancing around me.
Then the taunt kill.

That is evil and you are a bad person.
Donator benefits of any kind hiss boo

[MCerberus]

That is evil and you are a bad person.

My two 'main' classes are spy and pyro. This is a fact known to me.

[Trixie]

So, um...

Anyone has spare sniper/pyro/scout stranges they would possibly want to get rid of for honest price? :smalleek:

[Dragero]

That's not too out of date. 2.8GHz can be deceptive. Core 2 Duo? Athlon II, Phenom II? What socket are you on? If you're on Intel 775 you can usually find a cheap Core 2 Quad used somewhere. RAM is also cheap. $30-50 can get you up to 8GB depending on type (DDR2 vs. DDR3). The biggest improvement you could put in for is a new GPU. Sadly, that's probably the most expensive... :smallannoyed:



I bought this thing pre-built a number of years back, before I realized how much cheaper it is to build one yourself, so I was able to find the near-exact system specs on HP's website. (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00585745) With this being the motherboard. (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=ca&lc=en&docname=c00864946) Only difference I notice is that my graphics card is a radeon x1600, not Geforce 6200.

I should actually go and pick up those last two 1gb ddr2 ram chips....never realized this thing was only using 2 of 4 ram slots. I might pick this up sometime soon (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1558820&CatId=1654)

This looks like the processor I'd be looking to get if I wanted to upgrade it, but 2.8 ghz has been working out fine for now. (http://ark.intel.com/products/30785) It appears to be selling for around $100.

I'm not completely sure about the best graphics card I could toss into this.....

Now look what you've done, making me research potential upgrades for this thing.

Skyrim minimum system specs are surprisingly low. (http://kotaku.com/5853156/your-pc-must-be-this-powerful-to-run-skyrim)

[Neftren]

I bought this thing pre-built a number of years back, before I realized how much cheaper it is to build one yourself, so I was able to find the near-exact system specs on HP's website. (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00585745) With this being the motherboard. (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=ca&lc=en&docname=c00864946) Only difference I notice is that my graphics card is a radeon x1600, not Geforce 6200.

I should actually go and pick up those last two 1gb ddr2 ram chips....never realized this thing was only using 2 of 4 ram slots. I might pick this up sometime soon (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1558820&CatId=1654)

This looks like the processor I'd be looking to get if I wanted to upgrade it, but 2.8 ghz has been working out fine for now. (http://ark.intel.com/products/30785) It appears to be selling for around $100.

I'm not completely sure about the best graphics card I could toss into this.....

Now look what you've done, making me research potential upgrades for this thing.

Skyrim minimum system specs are surprisingly low. (http://kotaku.com/5853156/your-pc-must-be-this-powerful-to-run-skyrim)

The linked CPU is only a 200MHz boost in the same family. It wouldn't really be an upgrade. You've got S775, so you could probably find a used Core 2 Quad (ideally Q6600 or better) for around $150-200, maybe cheaper.

Your choices in GPU are somewhat limited, since your expansion slots are either PCI or PCIe (1.0). Depends really on how much you want to put into this at this point.

[Volatar]

Your choices in GPU are somewhat limited, since your expansion slots are either PCI or PCIe (1.0). Depends really on how much you want to put into this at this point.

If I am not mistaken, PCIe is the GPU standard these days. He should have plenty of choice...

[Neftren]

If I am not mistaken, PCIe is the GPU standard these days. He should have plenty of choice...

You're thinking of PCIe 2.0 (x16, for GPUs) :smalltongue:

Edit: Yes, I'm aware they're technically backwards compatible, but at severely limited bandwidth, and why take the risk? After all, it's a few hundred bucks.

[Kris Strife]

Any one here who has GSB, any suggestions for ship and fleet designs?

[tyckspoon]

You're thinking of PCIe 2.0 (x16, for GPUs) :smalltongue:

Edit: Yes, I'm aware they're technically backwards compatible, but at severely limited bandwidth, and why take the risk? After all, it's a few hundred bucks.

For an HP prebuild? Nah. Anything you can reasonably pair with the PSUs packed with those won't get near saturating 1.0, never mind 2; if he was going to get into cards that would really warrant that concern, he'd be close to entirely rebuilding the system to support them.

[Triscuitable]

*Snippity snap*

I'm keenly aware that the 2GB is nothing but filler. It's a 1GB card, but the same laptop with twice as much RAM and VRAM was discounted (iBuyPower specials as frequent as Newegg). The extra gig is only useful for basic things, like increasing the core clock.

@neftren, I knew your PC is capable. I'm just saying.

[Grif]

Any one here who has GSB, any suggestions for ship and fleet designs?

Aha! Ship designs you say?

For starters, you would want to specialise your ships. I have three general designs for my Cruisers.

The Anvil. This is the ship that'll be going knife range, fitted out fully with short-ranged Cruiser Lasers and bristling with as much Shield and Armour as you can pack it with. (Good engines help as well.) It also helps that Cruiser Lasers are excellent at wearing down Shields and are moderately capable of busting through armour. I use these the most.

The Missile Boat. What the tin says. Fill the weapon slots all with missiles. Works best with Multiple Warhead Missiles. Can also be used with Plasma Cannons.

The Hammer. Kit this one out with as much medium range lasers of doom as you like. I don't usually use them now due to their low shield penetrability.

With these cruisers, I usually pair them up with Fighters. Only two types of fighters exist, really. The Missile fighter and the Laser fighter. The former is to kill destroyers. The latter is to kill other fighters and, in large enough numbers, overwhelm Cruisers as well. Ignore armour on these. Chances are if they get hit, they're dead. Speed is key.

Other interesting facts:
You can actually armour a ship up till 60+ armour, rendering them immune to nigh every weapon in the game and breaking it completely. That means filling EVERY slot with armour though. Another game-breaking move is just not using any engines. Instead use your ships as stationary weapon platforms instead. Watch them pound the enemies to bits, since you'll be loaded up with shields and armour that cannot be taken down.

EM Missiles (disabling ship weapons for anything up to 5 seconds) are incredibly useful, but I usually just stick em to my destroyers. Tag these destroyers to your Anvil cruisers and watch them survive longer. On the same note, you might want anti-fighters destroyer to tag along as well, though Fighters do the anti-fighter roles better.

On the same note, I also have an Anvil type destroyer as well, armed with Ion Cannons. Fragile, but puts out incredible DPS.

EDIT: Oh, and Guidance Scrambler Beams? Get 'em as soon as you can afford them. They do an incredible job shooting down missiles. Better than any PD in this game.

[Volatar]

Any one here who has GSB, any suggestions for ship and fleet designs?

Hell if I know. I just play that game to watch stuff explode. :smalltongue:

[Kris Strife]

Aha! Ship designs you say?

For starters, you would want to specialise your ships. I have three general designs for my Cruisers.

The Anvil. This is the ship that'll be going knife range, fitted out fully with short-ranged Cruiser Lasers and bristling with as much Shield and Armour as you can pack it with. (Good engines help as well.) It also helps that Cruiser Lasers are excellent at wearing down Shields and are moderately capable of busting through armour. I use these the most.

The Missile Boat. What the tin says. Fill the weapon slots all with missiles. Works best with Multiple Warhead Missiles. Can also be used with Plasma Cannons.

The Hammer. Kit this one out with as much medium range lasers of doom as you like. I don't usually use them now due to their low shield penetrability.

With these cruisers, I usually pair them up with Fighters. Only two types of fighters exist, really. The Missile fighter and the Laser fighter. The former is to kill destroyers. The latter is to kill other fighters and, in large enough numbers, overwhelm Cruisers as well. Ignore armour on these. Chances are if they get hit, they're dead. Speed is key.

Other interesting facts:
You can actually armour a ship up till 60+ armour, rendering them immune to nigh every weapon in the game and breaking it completely. That means filling EVERY slot with armour though. Another game-breaking move is just not using any engines. Instead use your ships as stationary weapon platforms instead. Watch them pound the enemies to bits, since you'll be loaded up with shields and armour that cannot be taken down.

EM Missiles (disabling ship weapons for anything up to 5 seconds) are incredibly useful, but I usually just stick em to my destroyers. Tag these destroyers to your Anvil cruisers and watch them survive longer. On the same note, you might want anti-fighters destroyer to tag along as well, though Fighters do the anti-fighter roles better.

On the same note, I also have an Anvil type destroyer as well, armed with Ion Cannons. Fragile, but puts out incredible DPS.

EDIT: Oh, and Guidance Scrambler Beams? Get 'em as soon as you can afford them. They do an incredible job shooting down missiles. Better than any PD in this game.

*takes notes* Do I have you on Steam yet?

And I've seen the computer do the "All armor cruisers." Much FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU was had as my ships ignored the other craft in favor of those until enough lucky shots wore the armor down. Luckily, this was in campaign mode where I frequently have fleets so large that I have more Cruisers than the enemy has fighters. :smalltongue:


Hell if I know. I just play that game to watch stuff explode. :smalltongue:

I do too, but I want to make the other ships explode, so I can get better things to make them explode with. :smallbiggrin:

[Mando Knight]

On topic... er... I mean on a new topic relating more to Steam... Does anyone have a spare Widowmaker or Diamondback? I'll give a scrap for either one.
I have a spare Widowmaker if you need it.

[Neftren]

Aha! Ship designs you say?

Another really interesting design is the all plasma variant. It's especially good if you have the Tribe DLC.

Personally, I prefer to have a mixed-bag jack-of-all-trades main cruiser. I'll put two multiple warhead launchers, plus some cruiser lasers and usually one quantum blaster for faster moving ships. This strategy hasn't failed me yet, except for mass fighter swarms, so I just put together an anti-fighter frigate to support the main cruiser group.


For an HP prebuild? Nah. Anything you can reasonably pair with the PSUs packed with those won't get near saturating 1.0, never mind 2; if he was going to get into cards that would really warrant that concern, he'd be close to entirely rebuilding the system to support them.

Well, most GPU published power requirements are much higher than real world scenarios. Let's take an entry level card (GT 240) for example. It uses some 40-60W off the PSU. Most OEM desktops are around 300-400W PSUs, so the C2Q takes another 135W or so. You're still well in the safe range for a pretty good bump in GPU capacity. I'm pretty sure most DX11 capable cards in the "suitable for gaming" range would be able to saturate PCIe 1.0.

[tyckspoon]

I'm pretty sure most DX11 capable cards in the "suitable for gaming" range would be able to saturate PCIe 1.0.

I'm reasonably sure this isn't true, at least if you're counting the 240 and it's ATI comparables as "suitable for gaming", but as I can't remember how the hell you figure out how much bandwidth you actually need between system and card (as opposed to the card and its own memory, which uses dramatically higher rates) I'm gonna have to just say I disagree.

[factotum]

The linked CPU is only a 200MHz boost in the same family. It wouldn't really be an upgrade.

Er, you might want to read the specs of that machine again--his existing processor is a Pentium D 920, which is actually a dual-core Pentium 4; a Core 2 Duo would beat it into the ground with one core tied behind its back, even at the same clock speed!

[Grif]

Another really interesting design is the all plasma variant. It's especially good if you have the Tribe DLC.

Personally, I prefer to have a mixed-bag jack-of-all-trades main cruiser. I'll put two multiple warhead launchers, plus some cruiser lasers and usually one quantum blaster for faster moving ships. This strategy hasn't failed me yet, except for mass fighter swarms, so I just put together an anti-fighter frigate to support the main cruiser group.


Ah, but any form of specialised cruisers will definitely cut you down to pieces. (If you play online match-ups against other players at least.)

They're perfectly fine for campaigns though, since the AI tends to mix'n'match as well. Although I would scrap the Quantum Blasters. I only use them to round out my Anvil cruisers because my power requirement are way over the charts. They're quite useless for Fighters, which is the only fast moving ship you should be concerned about. Destroyers? What destroyers? :smalltongue:

(In all honesty, destroyers are simultaneously both too big and too small to fit any role in particular. Too big because they can't dodge weaponfire like fighters. Too small to mount any substantial amount of weapons that can actually damage cruisers, which should be your priority. They're great for support roles: anti-fighter and EM ships, and adding that tiny bit of DPS where possible.)

@Kris Strife, don't think you added me (http://steamcommunity.com/id/amozy) yet. Or if you did, I don't recognise you from my steam friend list offhand.

EDIT: Plasma variants are interesting, because they can damage armour through shields. This can make Plasma Cruisers + Fighters a devastating combo since the plasma cannons will help to make the chinks in the cruiser's armour in order for the fighters to wear it down.

[Dragero]

I'm seeing the Radeon HD 2600 for around $50 on some websites.....Might grab that sometime as well.

Bah, I never realized how cheap it would be to give this computer a decent upgrade.

[Sprinter]

Friend gave me Strange Axetinguisher yesterday however he didnt know i got one few days ago. Willing to sell it for 2 reclaimed or trade for other strange item i dont have yet

[Neftren]

I'm reasonably sure this isn't true, at least if you're counting the 240 and it's ATI comparables as "suitable for gaming", but as I can't remember how the hell you figure out how much bandwidth you actually need between system and card (as opposed to the card and its own memory, which uses dramatically higher rates) I'm gonna have to just say I disagree.

The 240 is certainly suitable for gaming, though I was thinking somewhat higher than that (hence, the DX11 comment). You probably wouldn't saturate it with a 240, but then again, the 240 is a two year old card now? Three? Not to mention entry-level HTPC card.


Er, you might want to read the specs of that machine again--his existing processor is a Pentium D 920, which is actually a dual-core Pentium 4; a Core 2 Duo would beat it into the ground with one core tied behind its back, even at the same clock speed!

Pentium Ds and Core 2 Duos aren't actually all that far off the mark from each other. They're within a generation of each other, so really 200 MHz, doesn't make too much of a difference (don't fall into the marketing gimmick trap!). What Drager really needs is more cores more cores more cores.


Ah, but any form of specialised cruisers will definitely cut you down to pieces. (If you play online match-ups against other players at least.)

It depends on the challenge I think. I had to construct certain specialized cruisers against the niche challenges (e.g. fighter mass, or all plasma), but for the most part, I've beaten just about everything I've tried (mostly in the 4-5 star range).

[factotum]

Pentium Ds and Core 2 Duos aren't actually all that far off the mark from each other. They're within a generation of each other, so really 200 MHz, doesn't make too much of a difference

I'm sorry, that's utterly incorrect. I have personal experience of having upgraded from a 2.8GHz P4 to a 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo, and everything I ran on the Core 2 was considerably faster than the P4, despite the massive reduction in clock speed.

Oh, and I wouldn't even say they're within a generation of each other--the P4 first came out in 2000, while the Core 2 Duo debuted in 2006. Six years is an awful lot of development time, and the Core 2 microarchitecture bears very little relation to that of the P4.

[tyckspoon]

Pentium Ds and Core 2 Duos aren't actually all that far off the mark from each other. They're within a generation of each other, so really 200 MHz, doesn't make too much of a difference


Erm. This is Intel. 'A generation' here involves scrapping the Pentium architecture completely and building a new one. The Core chips are massively more efficient than the older Pentiums; a slower-clocked Core 2 would smoke the Pentium D, and one running equal or faster just leaves the Netburst-Pentiums crying in the corner. The Pentium D's clock rates were the 'marketing gimmick'; Core 2 is the real thing.

[RPharazon]

Erm. This is Intel. 'A generation' here involves scrapping the Pentium architecture completely and building a new one. The Core chips are massively more efficient than the older Pentiums; a slower-clocked Core 2 would smoke the Pentium D, and one running equal or faster just leaves the Netburst-Pentiums crying in the corner. The Pentium D's clock rates were the 'marketing gimmick'; Core 2 is the real thing.

Although technically the Core architecture was based on the Pentium M architecture which was, in turn, based on the Pentium 4 architecture but with a lot of modifications. My old Pentium M laptop was amazing. 1.6GHz Pentium M completely smoked the Pentium 4 2.4GHz in my desktop that I had. The mainstream Pentium architecture was hilariously bad by the end.

It's amazing how much architecture affects the performance of a processor. The exponential march of technology continues!

[Neftren]

I'm sorry, that's utterly incorrect. I have personal experience of having upgraded from a 2.8GHz P4 to a 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo, and everything I ran on the Core 2 was considerably faster than the P4, despite the massive reduction in clock speed.

Oh, and I wouldn't even say they're within a generation of each other--the P4 first came out in 2000, while the Core 2 Duo debuted in 2006. Six years is an awful lot of development time, and the Core 2 microarchitecture bears very little relation to that of the P4.

Right, but we're discussing Pentium Ds here, not the original P4s (correct me if I'm wrong here). So, we're looking at 2005-2008, whereas Core 2s started appearing in 2006-ish. You would logically see a massive performance boost going from a P4 to a C2D. You just doubled the cores.


Erm. This is Intel. 'A generation' here involves scrapping the Pentium architecture completely and building a new one. The Core chips are massively more efficient than the older Pentiums; a slower-clocked Core 2 would smoke the Pentium D, and one running equal or faster just leaves the Netburst-Pentiums crying in the corner. The Pentium D's clock rates were the 'marketing gimmick'; Core 2 is the real thing.

The Pentium D I have performs roughly the same as my Core 2 Duo (though I do admit, it's a 2.8 GHz Pentium D vs. a 2.4 GHz C2D). A slower clocked Core 2 Duo wouldn't smoke a Pentium D. It would outperform it certainly, but you're still not looking at anything special. I've got Core 2 Quads that are running just as well as the first-generation i5 chips, so...

Drager isn't going to notice any significant improvements going from his Pentium D to a Core 2 Duo. His primary bottleneck is still GPU.

[factotum]

Although technically the Core architecture was based on the Pentium M architecture which was, in turn, based on the Pentium 4 architecture but with a lot of modifications.

Pretty sure Pentium M was actually modified from the old Pentium 3 because Intel quickly realised that P4 architecture was just way too hot and electricity-hungry to make a good mobile part, and when it turned out that they couldn't get P4 to the sort of clock speeds that would make it work properly, they decided to go with the more efficient design for their next gen chips.

Neftren, I saw the massive improvement I'm talking about even on programs that I know to be single-threaded and which would thus gain no benefit from the additional core--for example, I saw a significant frame rate increase in X3: Reunion, which is single-threaded, despite the only change to the system being the motherboard and CPU. It's not like I'm the only one who saw this, either:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2006/benchmarks,1.html

That has Core 2 Duos and Pentium Ds duking it out in various benchmarks. Just picking the first one from the list, 3DStudio Max, a Pentium Extreme Edition 965 (dual-core P4D clocked at 3.7GHz) took 120 seconds to render a frame of animation, whereas a Core 2 Duo E6600 clocked at 2.4GHz rendered the same frame in 98 seconds. So, in that particular benchmark, the Core 2 Duo is around 90% faster than the P4D clock-for-clock. That is, admittedly, one of the most extreme examples, but I've been checking through the other benchmarks and I haven't found one yet where the P4D is actually faster than the Core 2, despite the massive discrepancy in clock speeds!

Your other point--that the GPU is likely a bottleneck in Dragero's system--is quite probably true, but that doesn't mean that a CPU upgrade is completely pointless, especially since a GPU upgrade is also possible.

[Dispozition]

I'm seeing the Radeon HD 2600 for around $50 on some websites.....Might grab that sometime as well.

Bah, I never realized how cheap it would be to give this computer a decent upgrade.

I'll say that while this will be an upgrade, it'll still be struggling with games today. Newer ones at least. My 2900 can still crank out TF2 with a Q6600, but it has to do so on fairly lowish settings or risk huge amount of frame skipping. I don't think it'd fare well with newer games at all.

[Trixie]

As I learned when my laptop broke, you can play TF2 on ATI x800, 2 generations older than 2900, which is a very top end line card, too :P

Also, Dragero, don't buy HD2600. It's a trap. For 5$ more, you can have 4600, or even 5550, cards that are far more powerful and actually take less power. I know because I looked hard to replace my antique x800. If you want, I can check which ATI cards don't take external power from power source, and feed entirely off the slot, I'd bet on these if you really want to upgrade.

[Dragero]

I'll say that while this will be an upgrade, it'll still be struggling with games today. Newer ones at least. My 2900 can still crank out TF2 with a Q6600, but it has to do so on fairly lowish settings or risk huge amount of frame skipping. I don't think it'd fare well with newer games at all.

I'm not really looking to update this computer to modern game standards, just give it a cheap performance boost to tide me over till I've got enough money for a whole new PC.

Also, Trine 2 is up for preorder! Trine has to be one of my favorite games, so I'll have to pick up a preorder for this sometime soon.

Looks like I'll need to pick up that GPU/ram to be able to have a chance to run it.

Edit:


As I learned when my laptop broke, you can play TF2 on ATI x800, 2 generations older than 2900, which is a very top end line card, too :P

Also, Dragero, don't buy HD2600. It's a trap. For 5$ more, you can have 4600, or even 5550, cards that are far more powerful and actually take less power. I know because I looked hard to replace my antique x800. If you want, I can check which ATI cards don't take external power from power source, and feed entirely off the slot, I'd bet on these if you really want to upgrade.



Hmmm, wouldn't the the limited bandwidth from putting a PCIe 2.0 card in a PCIe 1.1 slot slow the card down by a large amount? Would it be better to grab the 4600/5550 compared to the 2600 even with the crippled width?

[Trixie]

Hmmm, wouldn't the the limited bandwidth from putting a PCIe 2.0 card in a PCIe 1.1 slot slow the card down by a large amount? Would it be better to grab the 4600/5550 compared to the 2600 even with the crippled width?

Yeas, it would. These cards draw less energy, are quieter, cooler, have better parameters (DX 11 and the like), and most importantly, they support new DXVA (to put it plainly, you can now watch most HD movies with 2-5% load on your processor). You won't run into shader wall so quickly, IMHO.

[Dragero]

Yeas, it would. These cards draw less energy, are quieter, cooler, have better parameters (DX 11 and the like), and most importantly, they support new DXVA (to put it plainly, you can now watch most HD movies with 2-5% load on your processor). You won't run into shader wall so quickly, IMHO.

I was just coming to that conclusion based on the wikipedia/product pages, thanks for the quick reply.

I never really looked at the PCIe 2 cards due to my board only having 1.1 slots in it, thanks for pointing out the other cards, they'd make a much larger difference compared to the 2600 (And for the same/very similar price to boot)

[Forbiddenwar]

Also, Trine 2 is up for preorder! Trine has to be one of my favorite games, so I'll have to pick up a preorder for this sometime soon.


looks more like an expansion than a sequel. Did they change anything or just add more levels with the same graphics and gameplay? But the trailer I saw could just be deceiving.

[The Linker]

Co-op certainly seems sequel-worthy.

[Volatar]

As I learned when my laptop broke, you can play TF2 on ATI x800, 2 generations older than 2900, which is a very top end line card, too :P

Also, Dragero, don't buy HD2600. It's a trap. For 5$ more, you can have 4600, or even 5550, cards that are far more powerful and actually take less power. I know because I looked hard to replace my antique x800. If you want, I can check which ATI cards don't take external power from power source, and feed entirely off the slot, I'd bet on these if you really want to upgrade.


I used to play TF2 on an NVidia Geforce 5500. That's a card from 2003. Beat that.

[MCerberus]

I used to play TF2 on an NVidia Geforce 5500. That's a card from 2003. Beat that.

ATi Radeon 9100.
Note that's a budget version of an earlier card. Thankfully it's long gone.


Backscratcher: OP degroot keep weapon or most OP?

[Mando Knight]

Backscratcher: OP degroot keep weapon or most OP?

OP, but not Most OP, if only because it's given to the Pyro, who doesn't have the tools to make it truly nasty, like the Soldier, Demoman, or Heavy could.

[Jibar]

Co-op certainly seems sequel-worthy.

Wasn't there co-op in the console version anyway?
I remember something like that.

[factotum]

Hmmm, wouldn't the the limited bandwidth from putting a PCIe 2.0 card in a PCIe 1.1 slot slow the card down by a large amount? Would it be better to grab the 4600/5550 compared to the 2600 even with the crippled width?

Probably not by as much as you'd think. I've seen experiments where they block off a certain number of the data lanes available on PCI-Express slot to deliberately degrade the performance, and I don't think the difference became more than marginal until they'd chopped it down to less than 4 lanes (from the original 16). If reducing it to a quarter of the bandwidth doesn't make a big difference, I don't think the difference between PCI-e 1.1 and 2.0 is going to either!

[Trixie]

Probably not by as much as you'd think. I've seen experiments where they block off a certain number of the data lanes available on PCI-Express slot to deliberately degrade the performance, and I don't think the difference became more than marginal until they'd chopped it down to less than 4 lanes (from the original 16). If reducing it to a quarter of the bandwidth doesn't make a big difference, I don't think the difference between PCI-e 1.1 and 2.0 is going to either!

Though, I'd watch out for cards with half reduced internal bandwidth (usually 64 bit vs 128 bit or 128 vs 256). They're usually only a few dollars cheaper, but 30-40% slower. That is really one thing Dragero might be wary of while looking for new card...

[Demon 997]

I'm having an issue with the steam client. It works fine in small mode, but when I try to put it into large mode, it displays the UI, but the content (say the store page for example) is only in a tiny window in the upper left hand corner of the screen. I can't make the window any larger, and rebooting steam and my computer does nothing. Any ideas for fixing it?

[Trixie]

Thoroughly delete your graphic drivers and install newest version of graphic drivers your PC can support? :smallconfused:

Though, it's best if you know what you're doing before attempting this.

[Volatar]

I'm having an issue with the steam client. It works fine in small mode, but when I try to put it into large mode, it displays the UI, but the content (say the store page for example) is only in a tiny window in the upper left hand corner of the screen. I can't make the window any larger, and rebooting steam and my computer does nothing. Any ideas for fixing it?

Backup your whole steam folder, delete and reinstall steam.

[Thufir]

Backscratcher: OP degroot keep weapon or most OP?

I have issues with the entire premise of this question. See, to me, describing a weapon as OP implies that the game mode is roughly balanced at a certain level of power from which the weapon in question seriously deviates, which just isn't the case. Medieval Mode is not balanced at all between the classes.
Also, Demoknight is the king of melee.

I'd quite like to see some more options for the lesser medieval classes. Like the Engineer should be able to build trebuchets or something.

[Trixie]

Wouldn't Pain Train be the best in Medieval Mode? It loses its only downside, and makes Scouts be pretty much redundant...

[Grif]

I'd quite like to see some more options for the lesser medieval classes. Like the Engineer should be able to build trebuchets or something.

Oh yes! This must be done! Poor engineer needs some love too! (I played Engineer the other day in degroot for lulz. Needless to say, gunslinger didn't work as well as I planned.)

[Spartacus]

I like the Half-Zatoichi, personally. Full healing every time you kill someone is fun.

[Morty]

Medieval mode is pretty neat. I intended to use it to get Demoman's decapitation-related achievments, but it's fun for other classes as well.
On another, random note - how does your ratio of time spent playing classes look like? My most played class is the Demoman, two hours more than any other class, then Engineer and Sniper - about the same - Soldier, Pyro, Medic and Heavy. I've hardly played as Scout and Spy. I'm wondering if my ratio of time spent on classes is more or less balanced than average.

[Spartacus]

Mine is hugely skewed towards Scout, followed by Soldier and Medic (roughly equal). Demoman comes next, followed by Heavy. Pyro, Engi and Sniper follow, with Spy far in the back. The first three are leaps and bounds ahead, and the following two are a long ways ahead of the last ones.

[Kris Strife]

Heavy














Medic
Everyone else.:smalltongue:

[Geno9999]

Also, Demoknight is the king of melee.

I reject your king and substitute my own! Heavy with KGB + Buffalo Steak Sandvich.
BSS is to up Heavy's other wise poor speed, help him get his first kill, and the KGB's 5 sec auto-crit after kill kicks in once Heavy starts killing every one. And at 195 hp per Crit, not a lot of classes can survive a rampaging bear Heavy.

[AlterForm]

Medieval mode is pretty neat. I intended to use it to get Demoman's decapitation-related achievments, but it's fun for other classes as well.
On another, random note - how does your ratio of time spent playing classes look like? My most played class is the Demoman, two hours more than any other class, then Engineer and Sniper - about the same - Soldier, Pyro, Medic and Heavy. I've hardly played as Scout and Spy. I'm wondering if my ratio of time spent on classes is more or less balanced than average.



Pyro : [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
Other : [][][]


:smallbiggrin:

[kpenguin]

Heavy














Medic
Everyone else.:smalltongue:

Swap Medic and Heavy's places and you have mine :smallbiggrin:

[Demon 997]

Backup your whole steam folder, delete and reinstall steam.

Can I move my Steam apps folder, and then reinstall steam? I'm on highly limited net connections so that would be easier.

[Geno9999]

On another, random note - how does your ratio of time spent playing classes look like? My most played class is the Demoman, two hours more than any other class, then Engineer and Sniper - about the same - Soldier, Pyro, Medic and Heavy. I've hardly played as Scout and Spy. I'm wondering if my ratio of time spent on classes is more or less balanced than average.
Early on, my most played classes ratio fit exactly the class line up, though now my two most played classes is the Engineer followed closely by the Pyro (like half-an-hour or so difference), then Heavy and Soldier close tie.
My least played? The Sniper, at 4 and a half hours.

[Mando Knight]

Can I move my Steam apps folder, and then reinstall steam? I'm on highly limited net connections so that would be easier.

Yes, you can. Steam will then automatically re-sync when you boot it up after reinstallation, making it realize that you have your games downloaded.

[Thufir]

I reject your king and substitute my own! Heavy with KGB + Buffalo Steak Sandvich.
BSS is to up Heavy's other wise poor speed, help him get his first kill, and the KGB's 5 sec auto-crit after kill kicks in once Heavy starts killing every one. And at 195 hp per Crit, not a lot of classes can survive a rampaging bear Heavy.

See, let me explain how I would expect that to work out for you:

Eat steak.
Demoknight charges you. Shield bash+minicrit sword swing ~ 175 damage.
You now have less health than the Demoknight, and attack slower.
Good luck with that.

[Grif]

Medieval mode is pretty neat. I intended to use it to get Demoman's decapitation-related achievments, but it's fun for other classes as well.
On another, random note - how does your ratio of time spent playing classes look like? My most played class is the Demoman, two hours more than any other class, then Engineer and Sniper - about the same - Soldier, Pyro, Medic and Heavy. I've hardly played as Scout and Spy. I'm wondering if my ratio of time spent on classes is more or less balanced than average.

Engineer
Demoman(Knight)
Soldier
Medic
Pyro
Sniper
Scout/Heavy/Spy

:smalltongue:

[xcorvis]

I was having a lot of crashing issues since the updates came out, even after the patches, but someone (I forgot who, but thanks) suggested updating to the Steam Client Beta and that seems to have fixed the issue. I think the steam overlay was causing some hangs which caused crashes to happen if I happened to hit tab at the same time.

Also the beta client renders pages a lot faster and is generally less crappy.

[Trixie]

...It looks like I'm the only one with big Sniper lead over the rest, Spy/Demo being faaar below others in the tail >_<

[Dragero]

Hnnnnng halloween sale is on!

Amnesia for $4! Painkiller for $2.50! F.E.A.R. for $3.50!

This is the worst time to begin saving up for new PC components.

[Mando Knight]

New TF2 boss?!

Enter Monoculus! (http://www.teamfortress.com/bombinomicon/?p=1)

[tyckspoon]

New TF2 boss?!

Enter Monoculus! (http://www.teamfortress.com/bombinomicon/?p=1)

I assume everybody else reads Merasmus as Dr. Orpheus, yes?

[Geno9999]

I assume everybody else reads Merasmus as Dr. Orpheus, yes?

I think we learned just which wizard Soldier angered during the medieval update. If not, well Soldier should probably stop that "anger the wizard" problem he has.

[Spartacus]

Amnesia for $4!

Man, why are Steam sales always on when I have no money?

[Grif]

Man, why are Steam sales always on when I have no money?

QFT. So much truth.

[Celesyne]

Gah! Dead Space pack and Dead Island on Sale while I'm unemployed, Curse you STEAM! on ther other hand, a lot of the other sale titles kinda seem really underwhelming.

[Mando Knight]

Man, why are Steam sales always on when I have no money?

Because Steam sales are always on, but everyone only notices them either when they have no money or when they're about to.

[Fawkes]

Halloween costume sets!

Scout: The Curse-a-Nature: Bandaged hat, arms, and shoes.
Soldier: The Tin Soldier: Cardboard box head, piping arms, and shoebox feet.
Pyro: The Infernal Imp: Devil horns (coming out of the mask's eye sockets), wings, and tail.
Demoman: The Highland Hound: Werewolf hair, mask, and feet.
Heavy: The FrankenHeavy: Tall head w/exposed brain, neck bolts, and boots.
Engineer: The Brundle Bundle: Fly head, feet, and wings.
Medic: The Mad Doktor: Crazy hair, goggles w/ mustache, backpack filled with neon green fluid.
Sniper: The Camper Van Helsing: Blood-stained hat, garlic stakes, and silver bullets.
Spy: The Invisible Rogue: Fedora w/ bandaged head, goggles, and high scarf.

Oh, and remember this pic from the blog?
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/b/b6/Halloween_11.jpg
That's the pyro's costume.

[Cogwheel]

Gah! Dead Space pack and Dead Island on Sale while I'm unemployed, Curse you STEAM! on ther other hand, a lot of the other sale titles kinda seem really underwhelming.

Well, Dead Space is region-locked here and Dead Space is far, far out of my reach. Sorry.


QFT. So much truth.


Man, why are Steam sales always on when I have no money?

Which games did the two of you have in mind?

[Fawkes]

I'm debating on whether I should get Painkiller. I don't need anyone to buy it for me, but has anyone played it? How is it?

[Neftren]

Hmmm...

Bioshock
Amnesia
Killing Floor


Any recommendations? I've heard good things about all three. Kinda want to get at least one thing out of this sale anyway... so which one to get?

[bebosteveo]

I'll recommend Amnesia simply because I enjoyed it. I'm someone who normally doesn't like "scary" movies and games (mostly because i find that they prefer to startle you with lots of gore rather than be actually scary), but this game does horror well. Its fairly simplistic game-play wise with only a couple basic puzzles and ways to deal with monsters (hint: you run), its plot isn't anything ground breaking, and you will finish the game in well under 10 hours. But if you want to play a game that can legitimately scare the crap out of you, its $5 well spent.

I'm sure my sudden phobia of knee-high water had nothing to do with the game.

[Forbiddenwar]

Fear pack for $5.00
To be honest I never heard of this game until the third came out a few months ago.
Yes no?

I'll second amnesia, though I haven't played it much. Bioshock can be fun for a SHORT while. About 2 hours in I started wonder when the game will be over, never a good sign. It gets repetitive and has a problem with power creep. (the big baddies(brothers) and the little baddies stay the same power the whole game, but you don't, so the most challenging encounters are the first)But if you like trying decide between killing badies with fire, with ice, with bees, with several different weapons, with a wrench or with limitless flying sentries, go ahead. Rest assured they won't be killing you for long, with instasaves and instant regeneration in the stop you died in case you didn't save.

[Cogwheel]

Bioshock and Amnesia are fantastic.

My dislike of multiplayer shooters means I'm biased regarding Killing Floor, so I'll refrain from commenting on that.

[Grif]

Which games did the two of you have in mind?

The FEAR pack. NO, I do not want to be gifted! I lurk enough to know your tendecies Cog. :smalltongue:


Fear pack for $5.00
To be honest I never heard of this game until the third came out a few months ago.
Yes no?



FEAR 1 is a good solid shooter, with an engaging story. FEAR 2 is more of the same, except for the story which sorta fizzled out and made no sense at the end. Also, you have time-slowing powers. Matrix puns incoming.

[Cogwheel]

The FEAR pack. NO, I do not want to be gifted! I lurk enough to know your tendecies Cog. :smalltongue:



FEAR 1 is a good solid shooter, with an engaging story. FEAR 2 is more of the same, except for the story which sorta fizzled out and made no sense at the end. Also, you have time-slowing powers. Matrix puns incoming.

I couldn't really help there anyway, to be honest. FEAR's region-locked here, so Steam pretends it doesn't exist.

[Drascin]

I love this kind of sales. There's nothing on sale that I actually would really want so I don't feel terrible about mangling my poor wallet :smallbiggrin:

Of course, this is a meager happiness when I am reminded of the huge amount of stuff coming over the horizon hat is going to ransack said wallet to death...

[Cogwheel]

Yeah, this sale has nothing I want, but I'm still planning on getting Dungeon Defenders, Orcs Must Die, Farming Simulator 2011 and Costume Quest at some point. Oh well.


Also, this is the best DLC. (http://store.steampowered.com/app/65235/) Just thought I'd point that out.

[Drascin]

Yeah, this sale has nothing I want, but I'm still planning on getting Dungeon Defenders, Orcs Must Die, Farming Simulator 2011 and Costume Quest at some point. Oh well.


Personally, I'm probably going to have to get at least Sonic Generations and Arkham City. I'm not a rabid fan of Sonic or anything, more of a casual peruser of the series, but goddamn does Generations look fun.

[Volatar]

Bioshock and Amnesia are fantastic.

Amnesia is SO fantastic that I cannot sit down and play it, for shaking too much.

[Trixie]

Man, why are Steam sales always on when I have no money?

Add another QFT, especially since we don't get most US sales nor US prices... ^^"

[Volatar]

I have plenty of games still waiting to be played. I have no need of Steam sales here :smalltongue:

[Kris Strife]

Here's a premade for you, KS.

Here's the process (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t03rHu78ChrE8V8CfOBTXrtQg1QKt-ehymlC-fUdxyk/edit?hl=en_US)and here's the sheet (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1krfIS2HB571blcb0jOkK4g5piO_-IBibp1QUnLfRmlw/edit?hl=en_US).

So many Spiderman references. I love it. :smallbiggrin:

[Geno9999]

Morning everyone, I just had the most enjoyable Spy moment(s) I had with the game today; I was on Badwater Basin, first attacking then defending. During the entire course of the round, I managed to do the following:
*Dominate 4 players at once, two of them were on the top of the other team's scoreboard
*Push the cart to the final point and not get caught in the explosion.
*Stall the cart with a knifespree that killed 2 heavys, and a medic.
(Dis)honorable mention: I sapped a teleporter, BLU engie whacked it off from the entrance, he teleports in, then I backstab him and get telefragged by a BLU Sniper.

[Neftren]

I'll recommend Amnesia simply because I enjoyed it. I'm someone who normally doesn't like "scary" movies and games (mostly because i find that they prefer to startle you with lots of gore rather than be actually scary), but this game does horror well. Its fairly simplistic game-play wise with only a couple basic puzzles and ways to deal with monsters (hint: you run), its plot isn't anything ground breaking, and you will finish the game in well under 10 hours. But if you want to play a game that can legitimately scare the crap out of you, its $5 well spent.

I'm sure my sudden phobia of knee-high water had nothing to do with the game.

See, I've always disliked the horror genre... but I've been hearing lots of good things about this game. I've never been a fan of being "startled" as it triggers some strange reflexes... (e.g. rounding a corner in a shooter and coming across some guy who instantly sprays me... I counter by spamming everything... grenades, knife, LMB... it doesn't end well).


Bioshock and Amnesia are fantastic.

My dislike of multiplayer shooters means I'm biased regarding Killing Floor, so I'll refrain from commenting on that.

What makes them fantastic for you?




Guys, we so have to buy this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/12670/) for Cog if it goes on sale!!!1!1!!
(along with the Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga DLC!)

[Valaqil]

Especially with the sale happening, I want to find a few people to play Borderlands with. I never got very far, so I'd be willing to start fresh. Anyone want to begin a campaign? I have the game + DLC but have only beat the first boss.

[Neftren]

Especially with the sale happening, I want to find a few people to play Borderlands with. I never got very far, so I'd be willing to start fresh. Anyone want to begin a campaign? I have the game + DLC but have only beat the first boss.

I can start fresh, or I can just mod my main character down to whatever level your other characters are at.

[Science Officer]

I picked up Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened, and Vampire:The Masquerade:Bloodlines, or whatever that's called. Also got Sword of the Stars Complete last week.
There were some other tempting things on sale, F.E.A.R., Borderlands, Amnesia, Painkiller, but I think I'll save the rest of my pre-paid card for the december sales.
Actually, the Call of Pripyat sale looks interesting, but I'm not sure how much I like Shadow of Chernobyl...

[MCerberus]

The PF2 server cluster seems to think that the Backburner is a troll weapon. In a little tournament style contest to pick the trolliest weapon, the BB is currently tied in the second to last round... with the DR

[Spartacus]

Which games did the two of you have in mind?

If you really want to spend money, L4D2 and Amnesia are both games that I am equally interested in.

[Geno9999]

The PF2 server cluster seems to think that the Backburner is a troll weapon. In a little tournament style contest to pick the trolliest weapon, the BB is currently tied in the second to last round... with the DR

Wait, the Backburner!? Troll weapon? That does not compute.

[Jahkaivah]

This will be amazing if they do things properly. (http://www.thinkwithportals.com/blog.php?id=6632&p=1)

Also I could do with somebody to play Portal 2 Peer Review with.

[The Linker]

This will be amazing if they do things properly. (http://www.thinkwithportals.com/blog.php?id=6632&p=1)

This looks... remarkable. I am definitely interested.

[Triscuitable]

So I just took advantage of the OnLive $1 full game sale, and bought Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. Now I know some will go "WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY DEUS EX HUMAN REVOLUTION?", and I'll tell you why. I don't care about a game like Assassin's Creed looking like crap. I like the game because it's fun! But I like Deus Ex not just for the game, but for the details I wouldn't be able to see at a 1024x680 resolution!

Besides, Assassin's Creed? Not moddable, and has the "no-offline-play" DRM anyways. So why not?

On another note, I'm in the Blacklight: Retribution beta. I loved the game on XBLA, now I get to love it for free.

[Archonic Energy]

Actually, the Call of Pripyat sale looks interesting, but I'm not sure how much I like Shadow of Chernobyl...

you should try it... they are gems in the rough... though watch out for the mindfl... erm brain suckers. :smallwink:

Also: after 4 hrs... who the hell put tereinna on sale!

[Triscuitable]

Alright, Blacklight: Retribution has blown me away. The attention to detail in the amazing dystopian cyber-cities (think Deus Ex) is unbelievable. The quality of the tesselation (if running DX11) is also incredible, showing more polygons on each item than I thought possible.

But enough on the awesome graphics, the gameplay has more playtime needed for me to give a valid opinion.

[Neftren]

So I just took advantage of the OnLive $1 full game sale, and bought Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. Now I know some will go "WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY DEUS EX HUMAN REVOLUTION?", and I'll tell you why. I don't care about a game like Assassin's Creed looking like crap. I like the game because it's fun! But I like Deus Ex not just for the game, but for the details I wouldn't be able to see at a 1024x680 resolution!

Besides, Assassin's Creed? Not moddable, and has the "no-offline-play" DRM anyways. So why not?

On another note, I'm in the Blacklight: Retribution beta. I loved the game on XBLA, now I get to love it for free.

$1 Full game sale?

[Cogwheel]

Spartacus: Not sure what your Steam name is.

Science Officer: When I see "Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper", incredible silliness of that idea aside, I'm oddly tempted to make it worse by adding "versus Capcom" to the end.

[Neftren]

Spartacus: Not sure what your Steam name is.

Science Officer: When I see "Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper", incredible silliness of that idea aside, I'm oddly tempted to make it worse by adding "versus Capcom" to the end.

Spartacus is sofawall (http://steamcommunity.com/id/sofawall/) if I remember correctly.

[Jahkaivah]

So... I've decided that Valve are either going to come up with some Sims-esque music for that Portal 2 editor or I'm going to play this in the background while I use it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_soYT__b9U)

[RPharazon]

So... I've decided that Valve are either going to come up with some Sims-esque music for that Portal 2 editor or I'm going to play this in the background while I use it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_soYT__b9U)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts

[Science Officer]

you should try it... they are gems in the rough... though watch out for the mindfl... erm brain suckers. :smallwink:

Also: after 4 hrs... who the hell put tereinna on sale!

Hrmmm, what I mean is, I have Shadow of Chernobyl (got it in the THQ pack, was one of the games in it that I wanted), but I've only played about half an hour of it. I suppose the sensible thing would be to play some more and decide if I want Call of Pripyat before the sale ends....



Science Officer: When I see "Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper", incredible silliness of that idea aside, I'm oddly tempted to make it worse by adding "versus Capcom" to the end.

I've heard some good things about that one, but the title is certainly lacking in seriousness. Fortunately, "The Awakened" wasn't called "versus Cthulhu"

[Triscuitable]

$1 Full game sale?

First game only. You can only choose one game. But it's affected by every game. One buck.

[Archonic Energy]

Hrmmm, what I mean is, I have Shadow of Chernobyl (got it in the THQ pack, was one of the games in it that I wanted), but I've only played about half an hour of it. I suppose the sensible thing would be to play some more and decide if I want Call of Pripyat before the sale ends....


if i may ask, why did you stop playing?

[Etcetera]

if i may ask, why did you stop playing?

By the sound of it, he didn't even get to Agroprom Underground.

The shame!

[Anonomuss]

Also I could do with somebody to play Portal 2 Peer Review with.

I could do it with you if you're still looking for someone. I haven't played it yet, and I haven't had the opportunity to play much portal 2 co-op in the past.

[Geno9999]

So, I have come to realize that I'm lacking a certain face-hugging buddy (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Alien_Swarm_Parasite) in TF2.
Any body up for some co-op on Alien Swarm?

[Morty]

Am I the only one rather... unimpressed by the Cow Mangler in TF2? I haven't used it that much, because I found it clunky, slow and awkward to use. Maybe I'm missing something.

[Etcetera]

Am I the only one rather... unimpressed by the Cow Mangler in TF2? I haven't used it that much, because I found it clunky, slow and awkward to use. Maybe I'm missing something.

It gets easier to use, I found that it was hard to get used to the different projectile appearance, but after a while I got better with it.

[Science Officer]

Not quite sure... I'd just finished Metro 2033, and had expected Stalker to be something like it. First of all the graphics caught me off guard, I'm normally not picky about such, but they'd looked much better in screenshots I'd seen.

Anyways, I didn't really dislike it, but had my attention captured by other games and haven't come back to it...

[Volug]

Anyways, I didn't really dislike it, but had my attention captured by other games and haven't come back to it...

Have you read the book?

[MCerberus]

Am I the only one rather... unimpressed by the Cow Mangler in TF2? I haven't used it that much, because I found it clunky, slow and awkward to use. Maybe I'm missing something.

I'm not that impressed by it either.

I don't always soldier, but, when I do,
I prefer Liberty Launcher.

Stay explodey, my scouts.

[Morty]

Yeah, Liberty Launcher is good. Black Box isn't half bad either. I tried using Direct Hit, but the precision required reduced my efficiency. Maybe I'll try again now that I'm more experienced.

[Triscuitable]

Ladies and gents, until Halloween, OnLive is offering free 3-day passes (rentals) to F3AR, Metro 2033, and Amnesia. Just sayin', these games are definetely worth checking out.

[Science Officer]

Have you read the book?

I did the same thing with the book. :smallfrown:
I'd heard about Roadside Picnic and it sounded really good, and I wanted to read it, and then I took it out from the library, but ended up reading other stuff, and having to return it before I'd read it.

[Trixie]

So, I have come to realize that I'm lacking a certain face-hugging buddy (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Alien_Swarm_Parasite) in TF2.
Any body up for some co-op on Alien Swarm?

...I miss it too, but I'd have to download the game first...

[Triscuitable]

...I miss it too, but I'd have to download the game first...

I'm happy to help, when I have free time. (Brotherhood multiplayer is surprisingly fun and engaging.)

[Geno9999]

...I miss it too, but I'd have to download the game first...

I got the achievement just now, but if you'll add me, I can try to help you out.
My profile (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043358640) in case you need it...

[Trixie]

I'm happy to help, when I have free time. (Brotherhood multiplayer is surprisingly fun and engaging.)

Thanks ^^"


I got the achievement just now, but if you'll add me, I can try to help you out.
My profile (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043358640) in case you need it...

Added...

[Shadowy]

I love to play alien swarm, but have troubles finding people to play it.

You have my axe

[Grif]

Am I the only one rather... unimpressed by the Cow Mangler in TF2? I haven't used it that much, because I found it clunky, slow and awkward to use. Maybe I'm missing something.

You're not the only one. My personal gripe with it is that it usually takes 3 shots to kill those 150 hp classes instead of the usual two. That throws off my timing significantly.

Also, I'm too addicted to the Black Box. :smalltongue:

[MoelVermillion]

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/tsythe4th/Charme.png

Strange Eyelander
Strange Fists
Strange Blackbox
Strange Degreaser
Strange Shotgun
Strange Rocket Launcher
Strange Grenade Launcher
Strange Stickybomb Launcher
Strange Wrench
Strange Sniper Rifle
Strange Sydney Sleeper

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MoelVermillion/ Add me on steam if interested.

[Triscuitable]

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/tsythe4th/Charme.png

Strange Eyelander
Strange Fists
Strange Blackbox
Strange Degreaser
Strange Shotgun
Strange Rocket Launcher
Strange Grenade Launcher
Strange Shotgun
Strange Stickybomb Launcher
Strange Wrench
Strange Sniper Rifle

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MoelVermillion/ Add me on steam if interested.

I would take the Strange RL or BB.

[Grif]

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/tsythe4th/Charme.png

Strange Eyelander
Strange Fists
Strange Blackbox
Strange Degreaser
Strange Shotgun
Strange Rocket Launcher
Strange Grenade Launcher
Strange Shotgun
Strange Stickybomb Launcher
Strange Wrench
Strange Sniper Rifle

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MoelVermillion/ Add me on steam if interested.

How much for the Strange Shotgun, pray?

[Trixie]

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/tsythe4th/Charme.png

Strange Eyelander
Strange Fists
Strange Blackbox
Strange Degreaser
Strange Shotgun
Strange Rocket Launcher
Strange Grenade Launcher
Strange Shotgun
Strange Stickybomb Launcher
Strange Wrench
Strange Sniper Rifle

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MoelVermillion/ Add me on steam if interested.

Added. Can you contact me about sniper/pyro guns...?

[MoelVermillion]

How much for the Strange Shotgun, pray?

Ah, sorry I traded it off, you should have added me on Steam and asked there :smallfrown:.

[Morty]

Something extremely strange just happened. As I was about to trade with thetysman for some of the stuff on his list, Steam suddenly started to claim I do not have trading priviledges. :smallconfused:
EDIT: Now it worked. Still a bit strange an occurence, though.

[Capt. Ido Nos]

Strange Eyelander
Strange Fists
Strange Blackbox
Strange Degreaser
Strange Shotgun
Strange Rocket Launcher
Strange Grenade Launcher
Strange Stickybomb Launcher
Strange Wrench
Strange Sniper Rifle
Strange Sydney Sleeper

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MoelVermillion/ Add me on steam if interested.
Hey hey, that strange degreaser catches my eye! If we are going by dibs convention here, I call dibs. I can't do any trading today, but I'll be around tomorrow and I'll add you then. Be on the lookout for Zod :D

Guys I think I'm addicted to hunting haloween presents. If it weren't for the fact that my house is a "wreck" and I have a D&D session tonight, I would be on Eyeaduct RIGHT NOW >_> I've already spent six+ hours on that map...

[Fawkes]

I love to play alien swarm, but have troubles finding people to play it.

You have my axe

And my chainsaw.

[The Linker]

Fawkes, you have let someone else continue the meme, you can't just do it yourself. :smalltongue:

[Fawkes]

Stupid phone.

[Science Officer]

Stupid phone.

And my axe.

[Jahkaivah]

Stupid axe.

[Scuzzball]

I've learned via skype that Jibbers and I share a birthday. He's three years older than me, but our birthdays are tomorrow. Kinda weird. Happy birthday Jibbers!

[Maeglin_Dubh]

Does TF2 work now?

[Forbiddenwar]

Does TF2 work now?

yep. but the server is empty. Come fill it and see if presents drop now

[Jibar]

I've learned via skype that Jibbers and I share a birthday. He's three years older than me, but our birthdays are tomorrow. Kinda weird. Happy birthday Jibbers!

Aw man, I totally forgot we shared a birthday.
Happy birthday Scuzz!

I don't know about you, but I'm cramming cake down my throat 'till I choke.

[Trixie]

Um, I wonder if anyone has Medic Mask or Paper hats for sale. PM/message me?

...that being said, happy birthday... ^^"

[Spartacus]

Hey Cogwheel, thanks and yay and stuff.

[Cogwheel]

Hey Cogwheel, thanks and yay and stuff.

No problem. I take no responsibility for sudden sleeping difficulties, though.


Jibar and Scuzz: Happy birthday!

[Abrexa]

So... I hear some games on Steam are free?

[Phase]

This is a true statement! All of the games on this page (http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Play/) are free, as well as Alien Swarm, which is located elsewhere in the Steam Store.

[Forbiddenwar]

This is a true statement! All of the games on this page (http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Play/) are free, as well as Alien Swarm, which is located elsewhere in the Steam Store.

Free to play is not the same as free. (one is a genre, the other is a price) There used to be a way to find all the free games n steam, but i can't remember how. I do remember that list being a lot longer than the 13 F2P games.

Here are some other free steam games (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851573). this list is constantly updated.

The Stanley parable is also free, but it's not on the list because it doesn't have a steam install link.

[Dragero]

Would anybody happen to have an extra copy of Amnesia lying around? I regret spending my last $11 on Paranormal Activity 3.......that movie was awful.

Happy birthday Jibar/Scuzz!

http://www.self-aggrandizement.com/photos/Birthday%20Comic.jpg

[Science Officer]

Would anybody happen to have an extra copy of Amnesia lying around? I regret spending my last $11 on Paranormal Activity 3.......that movie was awful.

Happy birthday Jibar/Scuzz!


Done.
10dones

[Triscuitable]

Would anybody happen to have an extra copy of Amnesia lying around? I regret spending my last $11 on Paranormal Activity 3.......that movie was awful.

Happy birthday Jibar/Scuzz!

http://www.self-aggrandizement.com/photos/Birthday%20Comic.jpg

OnLive. Sign up. A 3 day "pass" (rental) on the cloud of Amnesia is free until Monday. All free.

[Dragero]

Done.
10dones

Thank you so much!

I should have asked for extra underwear alongside this.....

[Frankelshtein]

Happy Birthday! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzXO_5e8oO0)

[RPharazon]

Happy Thunkday, Jibar!

Thunk.

Thunk.

THUNK.

[Jibar]

Happy Thunkday, Jibar!

Thunk.

Thunk.

THUNK.

Oh boop you man.
Boop you.
Thank you guys.

[Worira]

I think I'll leave A SINGLE CAKE here.

Who will get this SINGLE CAKE? Only time, bloodshed, and strength of arm shall tell!

Or you could each have half, I guess. I mean, it's a pretty big cake.

[Triscuitable]

I hope nobody minds if I ask if they have a spare Zombie Island of Dr. Ned, Penumbra: Black Plague, or Dead Space 2 copy laying around...

If you do, I have some TF2 items worth your while.

[Morty]

Hm. I just can't get Direct Hit to work for me. It deals more damage when I hit, but I can't hit reliably with it. I'll stick to Liberty Launcher for Soldier. Mind you, I can't quite master rocket jumps either.

[ShortOne]

I think I'll leave A SINGLE CAKE here.

Who will get this SINGLE CAKE? Only time, bloodshed, and strength of arm shall tell!

Or you could each have half, I guess. I mean, it's a pretty big cake.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

I mean, umm, Happy Birthday!

[Trixie]

Hm. I just can't get Direct Hit to work for me. It deals more damage when I hit, but I can't hit reliably with it. I'll stick to Liberty Launcher for Soldier. Mind you, I can't quite master rocket jumps either.

...I have different issue, I can actually hit things with DH (though, if I don't hist centrallythe damage is usually low) but I can't seem to hit dodging enemies with RL past 5 meters :smallfrown:

Steam rant spoilered:

So, after very hard day today, I tried to buy myself something as a bonus - and after discussing it, I settled on L4D 2, to have one more multiplayer game. Sadly, what displayed in my Steam client when browsing offers:

-66%
13,99€
4,75€
ADD TO CART

Looked a little bit different when it come to actually buying:

Buy Left 4 Dead 2
SPECIAL PROMOTION! Offer ends in 47:38:17
-66%
19,99€
6,79€

Apparently, it's Western European price, despite me connecting only from country mentioned in my settings (Eastern Europe) because that's where I paid money into my vallet, once, a fair bit of time ago :smallsigh:

<sigh> So, after trying to fight the system a bit (I lacked .50 Euro to match the higher price and had no way to pay otherwise) I decided to grab Amnesia instead, though I'm still bitter about not being able to pay for the first one :smallannoyed:

Or maybe I did something horribly wrong and the differing prices are actually my fault somehow. Ideas?

[Silverraptor]

I think I'll leave A SINGLE CAKE here.

Who will get this SINGLE CAKE? Only time, bloodshed, and strength of arm shall tell!

Or you could each have half, I guess. I mean, it's a pretty big cake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVkL9ZstFfI

[Shadowy]

I'm looking for an idiot's box (Soldier halloween hat) to fill out my custome for him. I'd be willing to pay a reclaimed or an emerald jarate for it.

[Cogwheel]

Or maybe I did something horribly wrong and the differing prices are actually my fault somehow. Ideas?[/SPOILER]

Technically, if being in eastern Europe was your choice, then it is your fault. Zombies are expensive in some parts of Europe.

Anyway, I'll take care of that later today. I still find it kinda funny that the actual steam-related part of the Steam thread conversation is spoilered so it doesn't get in the way, though.


Edit: Also people need to get Dungeon Defenders so I can stop soloing a game designed for 4-player coop.

[Celesyne]

Dungeon Defenders is on my list of gets once I'm employed. Its a different style game than I'm used to from the gameplay videos, but from what I can see it looks amazingly fun.

On a side note, my STEAM install got corrupted somehow and I had to uninstall and reinstall everything. So until further notice, I'm in the process of redownloading 20 or Gigs of games.

[Triscuitable]

Edit: Also people need to get Dungeon Defenders so I can stop soloing a game designed for 4-player coop.

Well, the iOS version was alright. What is the draw on the PC version?

[Capt. Ido Nos]

Thetsyman! Do you still have that strange degreaser by any chance? :D



Um, I wonder if anyone has Medic Mask or Paper hats for sale. PM/message me?

...that being said, happy birthday... ^^"
Which medic mask are you looking for? I've got an extra Hallowe'en medic goggles if you like :smallsmile:

Everyone! Does anyone happen to have a Haunted Under Cover for trade? I've been looking all day to no avail...

[Cogwheel]

Well, the iOS version was alright. What is the draw on the PC version?

Well, you line up towers and stab and cast and kill things, except sometimes they kill you instead. Pretty often, actually.

I am bad at this game.

[Abrexa]

This is a true statement! All of the games on this page (http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Play/) are free, as well as Alien Swarm, which is located elsewhere in the Steam Store.


Free to play is not the same as free. (one is a genre, the other is a price) There used to be a way to find all the free games n steam, but i can't remember how. I do remember that list being a lot longer than the 13 F2P games.

Here are some other free steam games (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851573). this list is constantly updated.

The Stanley parable is also free, but it's not on the list because it doesn't have a steam install link.

Thanks! I'll be sure to check it out! :smallsmile:

[Morty]

The "Versus Saxton Hale" mod for TF2 is quite silly. But also quite entertaining.

[Triscuitable]

Alright, Humble Voxatron Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/)...

Who wants one? I'm gonna buy one for as many people as I can afford. Just ask, I'll buy. If I can. I'm not a cheap jerk, I'm making a sizeable donation ($1.50 minimum), so if my assumptions are correct, buying for you guys will make a large donation to make sure the charities are supported well.

The game is a mere 1MB, and is supported on Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You're welcome.

[AlterForm]

Alright, Humble Voxatron Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/)...

Who wants one? I'm gonna buy one for as many people as I can afford. Just ask, I'll buy. If I can. I'm not a cheap jerk, I'm making a sizeable donation ($1.50 minimum), so if my assumptions are correct, buying for you guys will make a large donation to make sure the charities are supported well.

I'll take one.

(Note to Self: Spread the love when the next Humble Bundle rolls around)

[Triscuitable]

I'll take one.

(Note to Self: Spread the love when the next Humble Bundle rolls around)

Done. Enjoy it!

[Eakin]

Question about Steam:

I've used the service for a while, and I was wondering if there's any way to gift or transfer games from one account to another after they've been purchased. I have two accounts that I'd love to merge, as well as a number of games I'd like to give to friends that haven't played them.

[Triscuitable]

Question about Steam:

I've used the service for a while, and I was wondering if there's any way to gift or transfer games from one account to another after they've been purchased. I have two accounts that I'd love to merge, as well as a number of games I'd like to give to friends that haven't played them.

I'm sure you can contact a representative for a merger, but the trading games is out of the question, unless it's a dupe, or a copy like the Modern Warfare copy free with Modern Warfare 3.

BTW, I'm giving these keys because you guys have given me things before, and this is my generosity in turn.

[AlterForm]

Question about Steam:

I've used the service for a while, and I was wondering if there's any way to gift or transfer games from one account to another after they've been purchased. I have two accounts that I'd love to merge, as well as a number of games I'd like to give to friends that haven't played them.

If you haven't redeemed (or maybe even haven't yet installed?) the games in question, you can go Games -> Manage Gifts and Guest Passes. There'll be a list of games that you can gift around.

If you have redeemed/installed them, you're probably out of luck. If you can prove ownership of both accounts, you might be able to convince Steam Support to merge the two accounts for you, but no guarantees.

[Celesyne]

I'd take a copy of the Voxatron bundle. In other news only TF2, L4D2, and Darksiders left to go on the STEAM reinstall marathon.

[Trixie]

Alright, Humble Voxatron Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/)...

Who wants one?

...me? :smalleek:

[RPharazon]

If you haven't redeemed (or maybe even haven't yet installed?) the games in question, you can go Games -> Manage Gifts and Guest Passes. There'll be a list of games that you can gift around.

If you have redeemed/installed them, you're probably out of luck. If you can prove ownership of both accounts, you might be able to convince Steam Support to merge the two accounts for you, but no guarantees.

That's a sketchy gray area. I am fairly sure that it states in the ToS or some of the legal documents somewhere that you're not supposed to have more than one account per person.

In any case:
"You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account."
I am fairly sure that transferring your account to yourself or to another account is against the ToS.

[Volatar]

Alright, Humble Voxatron Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/)...

Who wants one? I'm gonna buy one for as many people as I can afford. Just ask, I'll buy. If I can. I'm not a cheap jerk, I'm making a sizeable donation ($1.50 minimum), so if my assumptions are correct, buying for you guys will make a large donation to make sure the charities are supported well.

The game is a mere 1MB, and is supported on Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You're welcome.

I would greatly appreciate that.

[Eakin]

Can I gift games I no longer play to my friends?
You can not gift games that were previously purchased on your Steam account to friends.

Guess not. Oh well.

The full situation was that I used my brother's Steam account when they put up Civ 4 + expansions + Colonization for some absurdly low price. Now I have my own account and want them on mine since he never plays them.

Guess it isn't in the cards

[Neftren]

I'll take a Voxatron Bundle if someone is giving them out. Looks pretty awesome actually (is this a top-down Minecraft basically or?).

[Triscuitable]

Sent out five bundles so far, totaling approximately 10USD. You're very welcome.

On an unrelated note, I kind of want Dead Space 2... Still trading for it...

EDIT: Voxatron is a top down shooter utilizing a graphical style similar to both Minecraft and 3D Dot Game Hero, in which you wander aimlessly, shooting things until they, or you, die. At least I think. I haven't played enough to determine if there are any princesses to save, tyrannical brothers to overthrow, or massive putrid demons to destroy. Though I'm sure there are plenty of the latter.

Also, it starts easy, and it gets really hard. Really fast. We're talking Nintendo Hard Bullet Hell.

[Cogwheel]

Bought it. Thanks for the heads-up on the new bundle, Trisc. Seem to be getting smaller and more common all the time.



Also, it starts easy, and it gets really hard. Really fast. We're talking Nintendo Hard Bullet Hell.

Oh good, I should be right at home, then.

[Triscuitable]

Bought it. Thanks for the heads-up on the new bundle, Trisc. Seem to be getting smaller and more common all the time.

Y'know, I would have bought you a bundle with a $30 donation written all over it, as thanks. But NOOOOOOO you HAD to buy it for yourself! /sarcasm

Oh well, enjoy it. Swell game.

To anyone who is questioning why they recieved a code, redeem it. I gave it to you as a gift. :smallsmile:

[Jahkaivah]

After seeing Shadowy with the new Soldier Set I am forced to make this terrifying conclusion:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/saxcsa/OFCOURSE.png


I think Erik Wolpaw has something to do with this.

[Shadowy]

After seeing Shadowy with the new Soldier Set I am forced to make this terrifying conclusion:


I think Erik Wolpaw has something to do with this.[/spoiler]

I AM A ROBOT FROM THE FUTURE. I AM HERE TO STEAL AMERICAN JOBS. BEEP BOP BEEP. ROBOT NOISES. BEEP BEEP MAGGOT.

[Shas aia Toriia]

Alright, Humble Voxatron Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/)...

Who wants one? I'm gonna buy one for as many people as I can afford. Just ask, I'll buy. If I can. I'm not a cheap jerk, I'm making a sizeable donation ($1.50 minimum), so if my assumptions are correct, buying for you guys will make a large donation to make sure the charities are supported well.

The game is a mere 1MB, and is supported on Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You're welcome.

If you're still giving them out, I would love one. :smallsmile:

[Volatar]

Sent out five bundles so far, totaling approximately 10USD. You're very welcome.

On an unrelated note, I kind of want Dead Space 2... Still trading for it...

EDIT: Voxatron is a top down shooter utilizing a graphical style similar to both Minecraft and 3D Dot Game Hero, in which you wander aimlessly, shooting things until they, or you, die. At least I think. I haven't played enough to determine if there are any princesses to save, tyrannical brothers to overthrow, or massive putrid demons to destroy. Though I'm sure there are plenty of the latter.

Also, it starts easy, and it gets really hard. Really fast. We're talking Nintendo Hard Bullet Hell.

Thanks man. As a Touhou fan I expect to enjoy the game :smallsmile:

[Triscuitable]

If you're still giving them out, I would love one. :smallsmile:

Yeah, I'll get one for you. I'm really tired though. Relaxing to Th1rt3en and Lulu right now. Yeah, relaxing. To Megadeth and Lou Reed. The irony.

[InyutheBeatIs]

Yeah, I'll get one for you. I'm really tired though. Relaxing to Th1rt3en and Lulu right now. Yeah, relaxing. To Megadeth and Lou Reed. The irony.

When you can, if you wouldn't mind, mind if I request one too? Only if it isn't too much trouble though.

[Triscuitable]

When you can, if you wouldn't mind, mind if I request one too? Only if it isn't too much trouble though.

Not a problem.

[Forbiddenwar]

If your wallet has survived so far, I'd appreciate a copy Trisc.

[TheMagicalCake]

Can someone make a gift farming server?

[Drascin]

EDIT: Voxatron is a top down shooter utilizing a graphical style similar to both Minecraft and 3D Dot Game Hero, in which you wander aimlessly, shooting things until they, or you, die. At least I think. I haven't played enough to determine if there are any princesses to save, tyrannical brothers to overthrow, or massive putrid demons to destroy. Though I'm sure there are plenty of the latter.

Also, it starts easy, and it gets really hard. Really fast. We're talking Nintendo Hard Bullet Hell.

Okay, that does sound pretty awesome. I'm all for bullet hell :smallbiggrin:. If you're still not completely out, I'd love to have one as well.

[Cogwheel]

Voxatron report: Adventure beaten with no deaths. Arcade at 2312 score.

Fun game, this.

[Scuzzball]

Can someone make a gift farming server?

I looked into it. I can get a server to run, but I can't get steam to run more than two accounts on my computer at once so I gave up. If people want I could throw the server back up, and seven people just idle in it while one person collects gifts. If this is wanted, I'll set it up when I get home.

[Trixie]

I looked into it. I can get a server to run, but I can't get steam to run more than two accounts on my computer at once so I gave up. If people want I could throw the server back up, and seven people just idle in it while one person collects gifts. If this is wanted, I'll set it up when I get home.

I would be interested, at least...

[Triscuitable]

If your wallet has survived so far, I'd appreciate a copy Trisc.

I'm going to keep buyin bundles until everyone who wants it has one.

[Spartacus]

I'd love a copy, myself.

[Valaqil]

In re Server for farming of gifts: I did this last year and am willing to do it again if there is enough demand. I downloaded a TF2 server and configured it. It's still installed, so it would be no hassle to get it going again. If enough people want a gift-farming server, I pay for quite a lot of bandwidth, so I can set up 24/7 koth_viaduct_event on my computer. Last year I ran a ... 18? 20? slot server, I think. I can set it to whatever player count is desired. The only trick would be remembering to not shutdown/hibernate my computer when I'm not using it. :smalltongue:
I might have to demand the occasional gift sacrifice to feed the hungry beast though... </joke!>

[Bayar]

That sounds like a great idea !

[Forbiddenwar]

I too think it is a wonderful idea and can offer being an idler as well as a gift seeker. Just let me know where and when.
I'm really curious in finding a gift, I fear my custom HUD makes them invisible, since I've never seen 1.

[Trixie]

And my ax... Um, Sniper Rifle? ^^"

I too, can offer idling when my laptop is online, though I'd like to have a few of them, too :smalltongue:

One request, though, can the access be secured somehow? I just... had a poor experience with random jerks from nowhere over past 2 days on CHHA :/

[Eakin]

I knew I could hold off until Bastion went on sale! It didn't take long, but it was still a near thing having heard everyone talking about how great it was for the last couple months.

[Drascin]

I knew I could hold off until Bastion went on sale! It didn't take long, but it was still a near thing having heard everyone talking about how great it was for the last couple months.

GodDAMMIT. Bastion just HAD to go into sale right after I spent basically every bit of spare cash I had at that anime con. It couldn't wait a couple weeks, nooo. Arghabrlagle :smallfurious:.

[Eakin]

GodDAMMIT. Bastion just HAD to go into sale right after I spent basically every bit of spare cash I had at that anime con. It couldn't wait a couple weeks, nooo. Arghabrlagle :smallfurious:.

You have three days to pull together $7.50 (or $12.50 if, like me, you got the soundtrack too) Otherwise I'm sure it'll come round for sale again, probably around Christmas

EDIT: Bastion, and now Evil Genius for $2.50. Man, I'm snapping up games like popcorn this week. Can't stop at just one!

[Drascin]

You have three days to pull together $7.50 (or $12.50 if, like me, you got the soundtrack too) Otherwise I'm sure it'll come round for sale again, probably around Christmas

EDIT: Bastion, and now Evil Genius for $2.50. Man, I'm snapping up games like popcorn this week. Can't stop at just one!

9.50 and 16.50 for me - rememeber, Euro. But I hope I'll manage to mooch something off someone...

[Trixie]

Alright, Humble Voxatron Bundle (http://www.humblebundle.com/)...

Um... looks like we need to thank again? ^^"

[Drascin]

Personally, I'd be happy with just Voxatron if Trisc is still gifting bundles, no need of going above the average. I'd get it myself, but as mentioned, my card is kind of in the red and I'd rather not put more charges to it for a bit...