Reducing Wisdom

[Wavelab]

Alright so I'm playing in an epic tristalt, and I'm playing an insane wizard alienist/psion/binder.

I have a wisdom of 31 and I already have a -12 reduction. I want to get it to far so I need another -15 reduction, but I want to gain something from it.

Also I heard of a homebrew system where you can get point buys above 18, wanna help me find it?

[Viktyr Gehrig]

Also I heard of a homebrew system where you can get point buys above 18, wanna help me find it?

I don't know what you're talking about, but I used to do something similar. Characters started at 25 point buy, and then got their level in extra point buy points every level. Follow the standard point buy rules up to 18, and then repeat the pattern. 9-14 cost 1 point each, 15-16 cost 2 points each, 17-18 cost 3 points, thus 19-20 cost 4 points each and so forth.

[Wavelab]

Thanks I was looking for the second part of what you did.

[Telonius]

I have a wisdom of 31 and I already have a -12 reduction. I want to get it to far so I need another -15 reduction, but I want to gain something from it.


... I am not sure what you're asking for. Do you mean you need help trying to make room in the point buy for another stat? Or do you just need to (for whatever reason) drain wisdom from your character? If you need help meeting the point buy, we'd need to know what the limit is, and what your other scores are. If you need to drain wisdom (for whatever reason), just summon a Lamia (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lamia.htm), and voluntarily allow it to drain Wisdom.

[Psyren]

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[ThatLovin'Elan]

Record some Allips and put them on your iPod?

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[Wavelab]

My character is supposed to be insane, and I work with the wisdom=sanity theory.

So I want to get it reduced by a lot but I don't just want to throw it away, I want to gain some bonuses from it.

[Telonius]

My character is supposed to be insane, and I work with the wisdom=sanity theory.

So I want to get it reduced by a lot but I don't just want to throw it away, I want to gain some bonuses from it.

Well, first off, you could just start with a lower wisdom and use that bonus to bump up the rest of your stats.

If that's not possible, have you looked into the Tainted Scholar prestige class? They become more powerful the creepier and crazier they get.

A Derro (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/derro.htm) has a "Madness" extraordinary ability that sounds at least a bit like what you're going for. The Force of Personality feat from CAdv can also mitigate Wisdom loss - you get Cha to Will Saves, though it doesn't help with skills.

[TheGeckoKing]

There's also the Insane Defiance feat (Elder Evils) that lets you burn up your Wis to deflect mind-affecting spells back at the caster.

[Wavelab]

I already started with wisdom 8.

My DM is lenient but I don't think he's Tainted Scholar Lenient.

Nah I don't want to play a dwarf :smallbiggrin:

Insane Defiance is added to my feat list, thanks for pointing it out.

[Telonius]

I already started with wisdom 8.


So you started with Wisdom of 8 - what did you do to get it up to 31?

[Wavelab]

I don't have the link right now but it's Demented one's Arch-Psion epic destiny. It increases all your mental stats to your highest one. I have an int of 31 so that's how.

[Fax Celestis]

Doesn't the Madness domain power damage your Wisdom for some other benefit? Maybe you could planar touchstone it.

[Devmaar]

If you're evil you could take Willing Deformity and Deformity: Madness for -4 Wisdom and immunity to Mind-Affecting.

Plus you'd be insane by RAW as well as by fluff

[Wavelab]

I've heard about planar touchstones but I've never looked at it.

I already have willing defomrity, deformity(madness) and reflexive psychosis.

[DoctorGlock]

Read the codex anathema (LoM) for +2 int and -2 wisdom. Always fun.

[Wavelab]

Ooohhh.. Just two questions about it:
1. Can you read it more than once?
2. Do you need to own it to read it, because I have a homebrew Vow of Poverty.

[JaronK]

My character is supposed to be insane, and I work with the wisdom=sanity theory.

So I want to get it reduced by a lot but I don't just want to throw it away, I want to gain some bonuses from it.

Tainted Sorcerer. Drop that Wisdom to 1, gain endless power, rule world.

JaronK

[Treblain]

One of the Lurk's augments, Mental Assault, can deal Wisdom damage. Dominate a Lurk and get them to attack you.

[Wavelab]

What bonuses do I gain?

Nothing.

[PersonMan]

The aforementioned lenient DM has arrived


I don't have the link right now but it's Demented one's Arch-Psion epic destiny. It increases all your mental stats to your highest one. I have an int of 31 so that's how.

Equal to your base value, so in this case your base Wisdom becomes 18(presumably), then you add any + or -Wisdom you have(since you want low Wis). You don't make your Wisdom and Charisma equal to your end score(that is, with levels, Tomes of X, etc.).

I'd probably be willing to whip up a micro-PrC, feat chain, etc. to help you with this goal, but it'd have to wait until I've recovered from evaluating what feels like half of the homebrew subforum, so looking for official options is probably a good idea for now.

[faceroll]

Doesn't the Madness domain power damage your Wisdom for some other benefit? Maybe you could planar touchstone it.

Madness domain in Defenders of the Faith was OP:
Madness Prestige Domain
Deity: Boccob, Erythnul, Vecna.
Granted Power: You gain an “Insanity score” equal to
half your class level (add cleric levels to prestige class
levels for this purpose). For spellcasting (determining
bonus spells and DCs), add this score to your Wisdom
score and use the result in place of Wisdom alone. For
all other purposes, such as skill checks and saving
throws, subtract this score from your Wisdom score
and use the result in place of Wisdom alone. This
means that your spells are very difficult to resist, but
you are in general unaware of your surroundings and
act imprudently—often erratically.
Once per day, you can see and act with the clarity of
true madness. Use your Insanity score as a bonus on a
single roll involving Wisdom, such as a Listen check or
a Will saving throw. Choose to use this power before
the roll is made.

[DoctorGlock]

Ooohhh.. Just two questions about it:
1. Can you read it more than once?
2. Do you need to own it to read it, because I have a homebrew Vow of Poverty.

It becomes non magical after reading sadly, and since it requires 48 hours it likely counts as owning it, and certainly benefiting from it. Also it's apparently an inherent bonus, when my DM tossed one to me he said it was untyped. Far less awesome than I thought.
If it wasn't for the whole lawful good (vow of poverty) part I'd say go with one of the tainted caster classes that flat out make you bonkers insane

Wow, the time delay on the tainted class post above me means i can't even claim ninja, i just flat out failed a spot check

[Telonius]

If it wasn't for the whole lawful good (vow of poverty) part I'd say go with one of the tainted caster classes that flat out make you bonkers insane


Yeah, Lawful Good kind of blows up my next suggestion (some of the Corrupt Spells from BoVD have Wisdom damage or drain as components). Dolorous Motes is the only BoED spell that has Wisdom as a sacrifice component...

[Wavelab]

It's always fun to have your DM read your threads.

And I am not Lawful Good. The homebrew Vow of Poverty feat doesn't have an alignment requirement. The idea is that I sacrifice all my possessions to the Far Realms. The Tome won't be that useful since I already included an inherit bonus from a tome in my stats. Unless of course my awesome DM is willing to make it untyped?

[DeAnno]

Drunken Master's Drink Like a Demon ability lets you sacrifice Int and Wis for Strength or Con.

[Coidzor]

How do templates interact with the tri-stalt?

[Wavelab]

My classes are mostly fixed on Wizard 10 Alienist 10 Arch-mage 5/ Psion 20 Arch-Psion 5/ Binder 16 Knight of the Sacred Seal 5 LA 4.

Templates work like normal just LA can be put anywhere.

[Coidzor]

So you can shove the LA into any one branch of the tri-stalt, then?

[Wavelab]

Yes, but I'd rather put it in the binder and wizard parts.

[Randomguy]

Take the pathetic flaw to reduce wisdom by 2 and gain a bonus feat. See if you can gain the flaw multiple times and have the effects stack.