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Yorae
2011-10-27, 02:48 AM
Having recently fought a 2-on-2 arena match in our most recent adventure against a pair of combatants, on of whom was a Swiftblade, I was hoping to find some advice on negating concealment / miss chance --

Specifically, how would one counter the Swiftblade's Blurred Alacrity and Evasive Celerity abilities (50% physical miss chance and 50% magical miss chance, respectively)?.

Consumable items and wands are not allowed in the arena, so please discount those as options. We have access to Wizard spells of up to 6th level (and perhaps 7th by the time we need to fight those two again) The Swiftblade also happens to have some SR, if that is a factor.

The obvious choice would be faerie fire, but we don't have a druid (team consists of a Wizard Gish, and a Rogue). Some digging turned up Shroud of Flame (Wiz 5) in SpC, but getting that to hit is still subject to Evasive Celerity. Would True Seeing allow me to ignore Evasive Celerity?

NNescio
2011-10-27, 02:52 AM
Having recently fought a 2-on-2 arena match in our most recent adventure against a pair of combatants, on of whom was a Swiftblade, I was hoping to find some advice on negating concealment / miss chance --

Specifically, how would one counter the Swiftblade's Blurred Alacrity and Evasive Celerity abilities (50% physical miss chance and 50% magical miss chance, respectively)?.

Consumable items and wands are not allowed in the arena, so please discount those as options. We have access to Wizard spells of up to 6th level (and perhaps 7th by the time we need to fight those two again) The Swiftblade also happens to have some SR, if that is a factor.

The obvious choice would be faerie fire, but we don't have a druid (team consists of a Wizard Gish, and a Rogue). Some digging turned up Shroud of Flame (Wiz 5) in SpC, but getting that to hit is still subject to Evasive Celerity. Would True Seeing allow me to ignore Evasive Celerity?

Blurred Alacrity grants concealment and hence can be negated with True Strike/Guided Shot (SpC). Evasive Celerity's spell failure chance only works against targeted spells.

So yeah, just send a True Strike-Metamagicked Orb of Doom down his way. AoE effects would also work, as do most forms of battlefield control ('though you'll have to watch out for FoM/Diligent Rapidity).

I would suggest the ol' Cloudkill + Forcecage standby, but he'll probably has a counter to that ready. Still, that's good to keep in mind.

Darrin
2011-10-27, 05:29 AM
The obvious choice would be faerie fire, but we don't have a druid (team consists of a Wizard Gish, and a Rogue).

Try Torch Bug Paste (25 GP, Complete Scoundrel p. 120). Throw as a splash weapon (ranged touch attack vs. square) for a Faerie fire effect, can't be dispelled.

Feytalist
2011-10-27, 05:35 AM
Try Torch Bug Paste (25 GP, Complete Scoundrel p. 120). Throw as a splash weapon (ranged touch attack vs. square) for a Faerie fire effect, can't be dispelled.

Another option is the Stormfire ring in the MIC. Faerie fire plus 1/d6 electricity damage per round for five rounds, 5/day. Only 4000 gp, if I recall. It's not a great option, but still.

Yorae
2011-10-27, 10:17 AM
Try Torch Bug Paste (25 GP, Complete Scoundrel p. 120). Throw as a splash weapon (ranged touch attack vs. square) for a Faerie fire effect, can't be dispelled.

No consumable items allowed, unfortunately (mentioned above).


Another option is the Stormfire ring in the MIC. Faerie fire plus 1/d6 electricity damage per round for five rounds, 5/day. Only 4000 gp, if I recall. It's not a great option, but still.

That would definitely work -- too bad its kind of overpriced for what it is
Shame there aren't any lower level spells that do this for wiz/sorc (afaik)....


Evasive Celerity's spell failure chance only works against targeted spells.

I wonder if there are any area spells that negate concealment....

Keld Denar
2011-10-27, 10:29 AM
A Greater Revelation Crystal would negate the miss chance for the rest of your team, as long as the person wielding it can hit. Once you have that, there are several ways to avoid miss chance. A Seeking bow with the crystal attached would allow you to "paint" a target, despite concealment, and the rest of your team could punk him. Awesome Smite is a tactical feat in CChampion that allows you to ignore ALL miss chances on a smite attack. Its not hard to get 1 or more sources of smite, the easiest way is to Planar Touchstone for the Catalogues of Enlightenment to pick up the Destruction domain granted power. Lastly, if someone in your party isn't a spellcaster, the Mageslayer line of feats (esp Pierce Magical Concealment) would allow the wielder of the Greater Revelation Crystal to hit the person with concealment to light them up for the rest of the party.

Zaq
2011-10-27, 07:18 PM
It's explicitly concealment, not miss chance? The Crown bind of the Diadem of Purelight ought to help. Available with a two-level dip into Incarnate, or with two feats. (Or one level and a feat, but that's weird.)

AxeD
2011-10-27, 07:31 PM
Glitterdust? It shows invisibility, but not sure about concealment.

ShneekeyTheLost
2011-10-27, 07:35 PM
Failing that, a couple of feats will do this properly: Mage Slayer and Pierce Magical Concealment. Basically, MS is the prereq for PMC, which lets you negate any magically created concealment...

enjoy

NNescio
2011-10-27, 08:25 PM
Strictly speaking, Evasive Celerity is a spell failure chance (from targeted spells), and is neither concealment nor a miss chance. Blurred Alacrity is a miss chance, and said miss chance is derived from concealment, but it is an Ex ability. An argument can be made that it is derived from the Haste spell (and hence can be pierced with PMC), but this becomes moot once Fortified Hustle comes into play, as Haste spells that affect the Swiftblade are turned into an extraordinary effect and as such are no longer subject to PMC.

Feytalist
2011-10-28, 04:25 AM
Failing that, a couple of feats will do this properly: Mage Slayer and Pierce Magical Concealment. Basically, MS is the prereq for PMC, which lets you negate any magically created concealment...

It will destroy your caster level, though. Better to put it on the rogue, assuming he isn't also some sort of caster/SLA'er.

Gwendol
2011-10-28, 06:53 AM
Bracers of the entangling blast (MiC) to keep them in place?

Aren't arrows considered consumables?