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What are all the options, other than Wizard?
Wu Jen, Death Master, Sha'ir, Savant...
Wow, there's really not a lot, are there?
Flickerdart
2011-10-30, 05:26 PM
Chameleon, if you really wanted to.
Hirax
2011-10-30, 05:27 PM
Chameleon, if you really wanted to.
Sadly it was pointed out in another thread that chameleon has a written clause explicitly allowing it to not qualify. Otherwise I'd agree.
sirpercival
2011-10-30, 05:27 PM
My favorite UM is Spontaneous Divination Wizard 5/Knight of the Weave 1/UM 10.
Does Prime Underdark Guide, Telflammor, or Cursed Avenger work?
dextercorvia
2011-10-30, 05:51 PM
Chameleon doesn't work.
Sadly it was pointed out in another thread that chameleon has a written clause explicitly allowing it to not qualify. Otherwise I'd agree.
While you can't qualify for Ultimate Magus (or anything hardly) using Chameleon casting, you can advance it.
Bard5/Chameleon2/UltimateMagus10/Chamelon+3 works perfectly legitimately if you take Arcane Preparation as a feat. You can, of course, replace Bard with something more castery, like Sorcerer, or Beguiler if you wish.
Vowtz
2011-10-30, 05:55 PM
You can go Wu Jen instead of Wizard, but for ultimate magus that is the build:
The UUltimate Magus
Warmage 1[CA]/Wizard 4[PH]/Ultimate Magus 10[CM]/Fatespinner[CA] 5
The entire point of this build is,
- shooting an 1d4+5 magic missile on first level is fun
- You will never have to prepare damage spells
For 3rd level feat get practiced spellcaster(warmage)[CA]
When you get ultimate magus, your caster level on Warmage will be higher than that of the wizard class, meaning that the 1st and 4th levels in ultimate magus will improve wizard spells.
With practiced spellcaster you will be able to do respectable damage in every level with just one level in warmage, you can then focus your wizard spells on utility, control, and save or die effects without worry.
on higher levels you can put some wizard spells on warmage list and cast them spontaneously. Also keep in mind that ALL warmage spell list is your known spell list(all spells do the same thing, but it is cool anyway).
On most part of your carreer you will cast as a Wizard-1, but you have more spells, and do more damage.
On 20th level your wizard effective level will be 17, enough for 9th circle spells, and your caster level somewhere about 21, if that is a great problem, you can change the build from level 12 and on, so that just 1 wizard level is lost in the end
Books:
[CA] Complete Arcane
[CM] Complete Mage
[PH] Players Handbook
You can't advance it either. Chameleons don't really have a spellcasting, they have a class ability that acts like spellcasting.
dextercorvia
2011-10-30, 07:48 PM
You can't advance it either. Chameleons don't really have a spellcasting, they have a class ability that acts like spellcasting.
Do you have a reference for this? I can find no better definition for a Spellcasting Class than this -- Classes that allow spellcasting are spellcasting classes.
Flickerdart
2011-10-30, 07:51 PM
- shooting an 1d4+5 magic missile on first level is fun
Welcome to the wonderful world of boosted caster levels, where Arcanist's Gloves (MIC) will let you double that number of missiles for a lowly installment of 500gp. In fact, it's not very difficult to hit the CL cap for Magic Missile at 1st level.
Do you have a reference for this? I can find no better definition for a Spellcasting Class than this -- Classes that allow spellcasting are spellcasting classes.
Because Chameleons do not have Spellcasting as a class feature.
As far as qualifying for stuff:
You can't use any abilities gained from your aptitude focus, ability boon, or mimic class feature abilities to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other option. You can use your bonus feat to qualify for such options, but if you change the feat, you suffer the normal drawbacks for no longer meeting a prerequisite or requirement.
NOW can we get back to my original question? :smallconfused:
dextercorvia
2011-10-30, 08:08 PM
Because Chameleons do not have Spellcasting as a class feature.
No class does.
As far as qualifying for stuff:
You can't use any abilities gained from your aptitude focus, ability boon, or mimic class feature abilities to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other option. You can use your bonus feat to qualify for such options, but if you change the feat, you suffer the normal drawbacks for no longer meeting a prerequisite or requirement.
I didn't challenge that.
NOW can we get back to my original question? :smallconfused:
Ranger and Paladin with Sword of the Arcane Order, and Cleric with the spell domain are prepared arcane spellcasters.
Okay a few things.
1. I just want all the classes that prepare spells with a book to qualify for UM.
2. No cheesy 'Divine classes preparing arcane spells', AFAIC they aren't 'reliable' arcane casters. The same goes for that 'prepare as a wizard' feat. I just want classes with real prepared arcane casting because that is what UM want. Which brings me to my last point:
3. I'm done talking about Chameleon... :smallsigh:
Fax Celestis
2011-10-30, 08:49 PM
1. I just want all the classes that prepare spells with a book to qualify for UM.
Wizard, Wu Jen, theoretically anyone with the Magical Training feat (though what you'd progress with that is beyond me; maybe shenanigans with Magical Training and Arcane Preparation on, I dunno, a Duskblade or something)....and, really, that's pretty much it. Most non-core spellcasting classes are spontaneous, for some inexplicable reason.
dextercorvia
2011-10-30, 08:50 PM
No cheesy 'Divine classes preparing arcane spells', AFAIC they aren't 'reliable' arcane casters. The same goes for that 'prepare as a wizard' feat. I just want classes with real prepared arcane casting because that is what UM want.
What are all the options, other than Wizard?
Words Yours. Emphasis Mine. Don't get mad when people offer you (things you consider) cheesy options, when you ask for all of the options.
Other than that, I think your question is answered.
Vowtz
2011-10-30, 10:56 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of boosted caster levels, where Arcanist's Gloves (MIC) will let you double that number of missiles for a lowly installment of 500gp. In fact, it's not very difficult to hit the CL cap for Magic Missile at 1st level.
OMG!!!! I didnt know that item!
here on our games, we usually allow any class from any book (not scenario specifics), but have severe restrictions on items, that gloves are insane, but i doubt my DM would allow it.
Grod_The_Giant
2011-11-01, 08:58 PM
OMG!!!! I didnt know that item!
here on our games, we usually allow any class from any book (not scenario specifics), but have severe restrictions on items, that gloves are insane, but i doubt my DM would allow it.
You... also can't afford 500gp gloves at first level.
dextercorvia
2011-11-01, 09:09 PM
You... also can't afford 500gp gloves at first level.
Not at character creation, but before you reach 2nd level you should have enough.
Vowtz
2011-11-01, 09:12 PM
You... also can't afford 500gp gloves at first level.True, and like I said, my DM would probably not allow it anyway.
But if you get this gloves, on 2nd level you could do a 4d6 + 4 shocking grasp. damage similar to a standard, non Unearthed, barbarian, and is a lot better than an 1d4+1 magic missile.
Biffoniacus_Furiou
2011-11-01, 09:57 PM
Is there any reason not to use Wizard?
The Death Master in Dragon Compendium prepares and casts mostly necromancy spells, with the wizard's spells/day progression.
docnessuno
2011-11-02, 07:34 AM
Is there any reason not to use Wizard?
Agree
My favorite UM is:
Human
Beguiller 1
Wizard 1 (be a focused specialist for tons of spells/day)
Human paragon 3 (+2 wizard, take praticed spellcaster: Beguiller)
Ultimate magus 10 (10/10 wizard 7/10 beguiller)
Wizard PRC 5
Casting as lvl 18 wizard / lvl 8 beguiller
Ruinix
2011-11-02, 08:53 AM
i currently run a beguiler / wizard / ultimate mage / fate spinner, maximazing the int usage, is a kind of batmam wizard wich never ever run out of spells.
Biffoniacus_Furiou
2011-11-02, 10:24 AM
If you use Illumian (Krau/anything) with Practiced Spellcaster (Spontaneous), you can go [Spontaneous] 1/ [Prepared] 4/ Ultimate Magus 10 and apply 10/10 UM spellcasting to your prepared class.
gorfnab
2011-11-02, 02:41 PM
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