Cooperative Metamagic

[sirpercival]

At the suggestion of [someone I can't remember at the moment], I'm making this a separate thread.

Can an Incantatrix use Cooperative Metamagic to apply metamagic to someone else's casting of a spell from a spell-completion item like a scroll or a minor schema?

Discuss.

EDIT: A little more specific information. I have an Incantatrix in an evil game who has an Ur-Priest cohort. They are kind of paranoid, and put up a whole bunch of defensive enchantments daily. I bought some minor schema of the 5th- and 6th-level spells, and I HAD been using Metamagic Effect to extend or persist them. However, ME is much more useful than CM and I'd rather spend daily uses of CM instead of ME.

[sirpercival]

Almost 24hrs and no responses? No one has an opinion?

[GoodbyeSoberDay]

Reposting from RAW thread:


Q 86 Can a 2nd-level incantatrix use his Cooperative Metamagic ability to add metamagic feats to a spell cast via a spell-completion item, such as a scroll?


A 86 probably not, and ambiguous even in the other cases.

first of all, cooperative metamagic has an action cost of a standard action. this makes most things undoable.

second, it's not very well-defined whether using a spell-effect item counts as casting. it does get referred to as "casting" several times.

third, adjacent is defined as "In a square that shares a border or a corner with a designated square. Each square is adjacent to eight other squares on the board." the definition says "a" border or "a" corner, implying adjacent only allows a single shared border or corner; your own square shares four borders and four corners with itself. but RAW is silly sometimes. that reading might be considered somewhat ridiculous.


Dispute A86:
Take, for instance, the humble scroll (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/scrolls.htm). First line in the SRD description: "A scroll is a spell (or collection of spells) that has been stored in written form. A spell on a scroll can be used only once. The writing vanishes from the scroll when the spell is activated. Using a scroll is basically like casting a spell." From this it appears that casting a spell from a scroll counts for the purposes of cooperative metamagic. The important distinction is that the item in question has to explicitly say it's like casting a spell. On top of all that, I'm not really following the "adjacent" stuff. That said, I agree there may be some ambiguity here. If serpercival wishes to discuss the matter further I suggest he create a new thread.I stand by my interpretation... unless someone like Curmudgeon comes in here and RAWflstomps me.