Ohai, I decided to get (almost) dual 9s without levels in a caster class... (Build)

[The-Mage-King]

Right. This is... Convoluted. And, after looking it over more, unsuccessful.



Human


Factotum 1
Feat Rogue 1
Warblade 4
Warrior Skald 1
Suel Arcanamach 4
Sublime Chord 1
Ur-Priest 2
Mystic Theurge 6




Feats: Able Learner (1st)
Combat Casting (Human)
Iron Will (3rd) (Alternatively, Otyugh Hole in C. Scoundrel for 3k.)
Power Attack (Feat Rogue 1)
Cleave (6th)
Spell Focus (Evil) (9th)
Player's choice (12th-18th)



Required skills and ranks

Concentration 6
Jump 4
Spellcraft 8
Tumble 4
Know (Arc) 13
Listen 13
Prof. (Astrologer) 6
Bluff 6
Know (Planes) 5
Know (Religion) 8
Perform (Oratory) 10


Total points needed for these: 83.


Minimum Int recommenced: 14



Thoughts? Assuming a very high Cha, you can have double 9s castable at level 20. And not a single base class that can cast.

[Keld Denar]

I assume you are using fractional BAB? Cause otherwise you don't qualify for Suel Arcanamach. You only have +4 BAB at 7th level, or +5 if Warrior Skald is full BAB (which I don't remember it being, but I'm AFB).

EDIT: you also have to change your feat order around. You take your first Suel level at 8, but you don't take Iron Will (a prereq for Suel) until 9. Not hard to fix.

[Amphetryon]

I assume you are using fractional BAB? Cause otherwise you don't qualify for Suel Arcanamach. You only have +4 BAB at 7th level, or +5 if Warrior Skald is full BAB (which I don't remember it being, but I'm AFB).

EDIT: you also have to change your feat order around. You take your first Suel level at 8, but you don't take Iron Will (a prereq for Suel) until 9. Not hard to fix.
FWIW, Warrior Skald is full BAB.

[sirpercival]

So... 21 levels?

You can get 9/8 easy with Nar Demonbinder and Ur-Priest.

[Big Fau]

I assume you are using fractional BAB? Cause otherwise you don't qualify for Suel Arcanamach. You only have +4 BAB at 7th level, or +5 if Warrior Skald is full BAB (which I don't remember it being, but I'm AFB).

EDIT: you also have to change your feat order around. You take your first Suel level at 8, but you don't take Iron Will (a prereq for Suel) until 9. Not hard to fix.

Hell, he can skip out on Iron Will entirely by spending 3K on the O. Hole in Complete Scoundrel.

[sirpercival]

How about... Warblade 6/Warrior Skald 1/Divine Crusader 1/Sovereign Speaker 2/Sublime Chord 2/Mystic Theurge 8 with the Southern Magician feat?

[*.*.*.*]

You can achieve the result easier with shadow templar, although many DMs say no to 2nd party

[The-Mage-King]

I assume you are using fractional BAB? Cause otherwise you don't qualify for Suel Arcanamach. You only have +4 BAB at 7th level, or +5 if Warrior Skald is full BAB (which I don't remember it being, but I'm AFB).

EDIT: you also have to change your feat order around. You take your first Suel level at 8, but you don't take Iron Will (a prereq for Suel) until 9. Not hard to fix.

Warrior Skald is +1. Originally, the build had two of Feat Rogue, and no Factotum, but... Needed the skills. And I assume Fractional, most of the time. Feat Rogue can be changed for Fighter with little effort to get to +4 BAB, if not fractional.


Feats... I kinda derp'd. Swapping Iron Will and Spell Focus, then.


Or the C. Scoundrel thing.

[Hirax]

Prestige bard makes this even easier to achieve

Human paragon3/whatever2/ur-priest1/anyarcaneprc3/prestigebard1/chord1/theurge9

edit: or go ur-priest4 and use any trick that allows them to make some of their spells arcane, you only need 3 level 1 arcane spells for prestige bard and a 3rd level arcane for chord.

[Doc Roc]

The lillend trick is even easier!

Lillends have bardic casting and bardic music as natural abilities, which means that most modes of permanent or longterm shapeshifting grant these abilities. Of particular interest is mindswitch.

[sirpercival]

Still no one else has noticed that the build is 21 levels long?

[Doc Roc]

Still no one else has noticed that the build is 21 levels long?

Using the Lillend trick will slice out the Suel levels, fixing the problem. Also, I despise Suel.

[Morph Bark]

Very nice.

Now have it face my quad 9s build! :smalltongue:

[nedz]

Still no one else has noticed that the build is 21 levels long?

1+1+4+1+4+1+1+8=21

[MesiDoomstalker]

Your missing an extra level of Ur-Priest to get 2nd level spells for Mystic Theurge.

[The-Mage-King]

...Dammit. I knew I should have gone over this more before posting it.


Still, pretty good level spells, with no base classes that can cast. That's still a victory.

[Flickerdart]

Eh, you're MAD, you have terrible spells per day and you've basically thrown away half of your levels.