Set list casters

[Gotterdammerung]

Dread necromancer has a necromancy based preset list of spells known.

Warmage has damage based evocation and conjuration list

Beguiler has illusion and enchantment based

Just curious if anyone has seen some good homebrew takes on other schools or archetypal set based casting classes?

Transmuter?

Abjurer?

Teleporter?

Diviner?

Battle Field Controller?


I don't really care the school or archetype. Just curious about whats out there.

[mint]

Saph made a pretty neat base class based on teleporting (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168948).

[Psyren]

Vitalist has a fixed list (insofar as any psionic class does, anyway.) I think Healer is too, not sure.

[Morph Bark]

Vitalist has a fixed list (insofar as any psionic class does, anyway.) I think Healer is too, not sure.

Healer is a prepared caster, so in that sense it is a set list caster like the Cleric is, I suppose...

[Gotterdammerung]

thanks mint. That is one archetype down.

Psyren - I've never heard of a vitalist. Where is that from?

And like the guy above me said, healer preps spells differently than the warmage, beguiler, dread necromancer set up. So not really what i am looking for.

[Psyren]

Yeah I was thinking Cleric and Druid might also count for this, insofar as they don't have "spells known."

[Fax Celestis]

And like the guy above me said, healer preps spells differently than the warmage, beguiler, dread necromancer set up. So not really what i am looking for.

That's pretty much all the classes that work like that, unless you want to delve into homebrew.

[Psyren]

Wasn't there some nice homebrew for other "limited casters" like Beguiler, DN and Warmage? Particularly one for Abjuration and one for Divination. (PF Summoner, modified to know its whole list and depowered a little, could probably suffice for Conjuration.)

[Urpriest]

That's pretty much all the classes that work like that, unless you want to delve into homebrew.

Which is why he asked for homebrew.

I think there's a decent Summoner/Abjurer lurking around somewhere, but it's hard to make reasonably low-power.

[Gotterdammerung]

That's pretty much all the classes that work like that, unless you want to delve into homebrew.

Yeh...

It says so in the OP.

I am asking if anyone has come across some decent interpretations of other archetypes with these type of casters.

This includes homebrew, 3rd party, obscure books, web enhancements.

I don't care where it comes from.


I just want to see beguiler,warmage, dread necromancer type casters.

The Teleporter link was a perfect example of what i was looking for.

I am hoping there is more out there.

[Gotterdammerung]

Which is why he asked for homebrew.

I think there's a decent Summoner/Abjurer lurking around somewhere, but it's hard to make reasonably low-power.

Yeh, I figured this type of thing was out there. I just found it hard to google for.

As these type of casters don't have a name that i know of and searching paragraphs has never really worked for me.


Sidenote: I am not really looking for tips on converting a class into this style. If i wanted to build a class I wouldn't be here. I would just do it on my own. My D&D work load is a bit high right now. And making my own version isn't really an option.

[hex0]

You could play an Abjuration based character: Focused UA variant Abjurer->Master Specialist->Iniatiate of the Seven Fold Veil->Abjurant Champion.

[Fax Celestis]

My cleric (http://forum.faxcelestis.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71) and paladin (http://forum.faxcelestis.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=198) build a beguiler-sized spell list rather than having complete access to their spell lists. They can be adapted for 3.5 by giving them their original skill lists, proficiencies, and skills per level, removing the prowess line, and giving the paladin a new Anima Beacon ability every level.

[Re'ozul]

Best divination based class I found so far (though very strong in the right hands) would be the Haruspex (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213491).
And then there is the awesome that is the Teleporter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168948) class.

[Fable Wright]

Well, Jiriku made a pretty powerful summoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181483), though it's quite a bit stronger than Dread Warlock/Beguiler. I'll see what else I can dig up...

[jaybird]

PF Summoner without his Eidolon (so just the Summon Monster SLA) would be a good contender. Warmage needs to be buffed - make him cast off INT and add Warmage Edge to every dice of damage he rolls, then give him a few battlefield mobility spells (Fly or DimDoor). A Transmuter would probably be pushing Tier 2 (if we're aiming for T3 using Beguiler, Dread Necro, and a buffed WM as baseline)...what would the theme be, though? Abjurer we already sort of have as the Abjurant Champion.

[Gotterdammerung]

PF Summoner without his Eidolon (so just the Summon Monster SLA) would be a good contender. Warmage needs to be buffed - make him cast off INT and add Warmage Edge to every dice of damage he rolls, then give him a few battlefield mobility spells (Fly or DimDoor). A Transmuter would probably be pushing Tier 2 (if we're aiming for T3 using Beguiler, Dread Necro, and a buffed WM as baseline)...what would the theme be, though? Abjurer we already sort of have as the Abjurant Champion.

There was no mention of Tiers. I don't use tiers and neither do any of the games i am involved in.

Are you serious about what the theme of a transmuter would be?

A guy obsessed with changing things.

or you could break it down into sub categories.

Guy 1- obsessed with changing the world around him.

Guy 2- obsessed with buffing through change. Pepper in buffs from other schools.

Guy 3- obsessed with changing himself.


But as I said in the OP. This thread is just about finding references to other listed classes that follow the beguiler, warmage, dread necromancer style of casting.

It isn't about
"Tips to create classes like this"
"What tier are these classes"
"What other styles of casting are similar to these classes."


Thank you so much to the people who have functionally followed the intent of the thread. Your links were educational. Please continue to provide more links like this if you happen across them.

I am sure someone has to of made a transmuter like this.


P.S. the beguiler, ect,ect style of casting really needs a nickname. It sucks having to list all 3 classes out just to keep someone from getting them confused with druid and cleric.

Wat about Kit Casters?

[jaybird]

There was no mention of Tiers. I don't use tiers and neither do any of the games i am involved in.

Are you serious about what the theme of a transmuter would be?

A guy obsessed with changing things.

or you could break it down into sub categories.

Guy 1- obsessed with changing the world around him.

Guy 2- obsessed with buffing through change. Pepper in buffs from other schools.

Guy 3- obsessed with changing himself.


But as I said in the OP. This thread is just about finding references to other listed classes that follow the beguiler, warmage, dread necromancer style of casting.

It isn't about
"Tips to create classes like this"
"What tier are these classes"
"What other styles of casting are similar to these classes."


Thank you so much to the people who have functionally followed the intent of the thread. Your links were educational. Please continue to provide more links like this if you happen across them.

I am sure someone has to of made a transmuter like this.


P.S. the beguiler, ect,ect style of casting really needs a nickname. It sucks having to list all 3 classes out just to keep someone from getting them confused with druid and cleric.

Wat about Kit Casters?

Simply musing out loud about Tiers and how to get the Warmage to function at the same level of Beguiler and DN - it's rather nice to have a "functional grouping" of classes sit at the same power level, a la ToB classes.

Yes, I am quite serious about the theme of a Transmuter Arcane Specialist. Summoner isn't the first thing everyone thinks of for Conjuration either, and while Enchantment/Illusion and Evocation are narrow enough that the "themes" of their Arcane Specialists is self-evident, Conjuration and Transmutation are broad enough that it's not - do you want a battlefield control Conjurer or a Summoner? Do you want a Jumper-style teleporter or a buffer/debuffer? Their class abilities would look quite different.

[Malachei]

. I don't use tiers and neither do any of the games i am involved in.

Congratulations. I actually try to not use the word. I think it is misleading to stereotypes and conjures the wrong images and debates.

[Coidzor]

I think set list caster is the closest you'll really find to a commonly used term to describe them.

I recall hearing several people mention they had made Duskblades into such or had homebrewed a fix of the Duskblade that did this to them to make them a set-list gish, but unfortunately they either never shared them or I've never been able to find them.

More than being based on a single specific school, the idea of being focused on a single theme or direction seems to define them best. In the case of the Dread Necro, it just so happens that Necromancer is a theme unto itself (though even here it's mostly focused on guy who has undead and stuff to support them/make people fall down so they can become his undead).