Non 3, 5 or 10 level Prcs?

[deuxhero]

I think there are a few (I don't recall which) but what are they?

No jokes about "1 level classes" (good dips, terrible to stay in) or such.

[FearlessGnome]

Void Disciple, Complete Divine. 13 levels. For some reason.

[Psyren]

Sanctified Mind (6), Iot7Fv (7), Malconvoker (9), Void Disciple (11)(13), True Necromancer (14)...

You mean PrCs like that, right?

[Tvtyrant]

Necrocarnate (13), Prestige Paladin, prestige Ranger, Prestige Bard (15).

[Venger]

Fiend of Possession, 6

[limejuicepowder]

telfhammer (?) shadowlord - 6

[Aethir]

Escalation Mage - 6 - Faiths of Eberron

[Lateral]

Nar Demonbinder (UE, also online (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030502a&page=2), but note that it accidentally cuts out the 7th level); 7 levels.

Scourge Maiden (Shining South); 6 levels.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Necrocarnate (13), Prestige Paladin, prestige Ranger, Prestige Bard (15).

I don't think those are 3.0... :smalltongue:

[Psyren]

I don't think those are 3.0... :smalltongue:

Was that a requirement? Almost all the PrCs in this thread are 3.5. (I think UE and ShS are 3.0.)

[Lateral]

Was that a requirement? Almost all the PrCs in this thread are 3.5. (I think UE and ShS are 3.0.)

Shining South isn't. UE is, but only by a month; if Savage Species is kind of in that 3.0-to-3.5 weird transition phase, UE is probably closer to 3.5 than 3.0.

[Venger]

Was that a requirement? Almost all the PrCs in this thread are 3.5. (I think UE and ShS are 3.0.)

nope, it wasn't.

fiend of blasphemy and fiend of corruption are also 6 lvls long, come to think of it. very funny, fiend folio, give us three fiendish PrCs in a row with 6 lvls to them.

[Tvtyrant]

I don't think those are 3.0... :smalltongue:

Since you are the only one to have mentioned 3.0, I don't think this is relevant.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Since you are the only one to have mentioned 3.0, I don't think this is relevant.

Oh, I thought he had said "3,5" not "3, 5".

[Venger]

Oh, I thought he had said "3,5" not "3, 5".

no, I think you're right, 3 lvl, 5 lvl, or 10 lvl prcs are the most common, so I believe he was seeking out ones that break this trend.

I think we have them all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prestige_classes

[deuxhero]

Yep, looking for things with odd levels.

[Psyren]

no, I think you're right, 3 lvl, 5 lvl, or 10 lvl prcs are the most common, so I believe he was seeking out ones that break this trend.

He was; JD thought he had said "Non 3.5"

[Runestar]

Nar Demonbinder (UE, also online (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030502a&page=2)); 6 levels.

Scourge Maiden (Shining South); 6 levels.

Nar demonbinder is actually 7 lvs long. :smallsmile:

[kulosle]

any interesting reason for looking for these odd classes?

[deuxhero]

No, just curious.

[Lateral]

Nar demonbinder is actually 7 lvs long. :smallsmile:

That... is true. The website version is screwed up. :smallconfused:

[suhkkaet]

That... is true. The website version is screwed up. :smallconfused:

Psh. Just because it gets spells known at a non-existant level doesn't mean it's screwed up!

Spymaster (cAdv) is also 7 long.
Sanctified Mind (LoM) is 6 long.
Arachnomaster (DotU) is 8.
Bone Collector (Ghostwalk) is 6.

That's all I could find which weren't mentioned, looking through my collection. Took me a while.
Not included; Faerun/Eberron/whatever settings.

[Jack_Simth]

I think there are a few (I don't recall which) but what are they?

No jokes about "1 level classes" (good dips, terrible to stay in) or such.

A 0-level PrC? Weird. I mean, there is a PrC with a level 0 (Risen Martyr, Book of Exalted Deeds), but that's still a ten-level PrC.

The Initiate of the Seven-fold Veil is seven levels long...

[Calanon]

A 0-level PrC? Weird. I mean, there is a PrC with a level 0 (Risen Martyr, Book of Exalted Deeds), but that's still a ten-level PrC.

If you want to be a **** about it you can technically say its 11 levels long :smalltongue:

[hex0]

Nar demonbinder is actually 7 lvs long. :smallsmile:

Actually, most PRCs in Unapproachable East are weird leveled. :smallredface:

[suhkkaet]

Actually, most PRCs in Unapproachable East are weird leveled. :smallredface:

Of the 12, it's only.. 2 of them which are "weird".
Nar Demonbinder 7,
Telflammar Shadowlord 6.

[deuxhero]

If you want to be a **** about it you can technically say its 11 levels long :smalltongue:

Can this be explained? I know it kills you as a capstone, but the 11 levels thing?

[Lateral]

Can this be explained? I know it kills you as a capstone, but the 11 levels thing?

It has a level zero. As part of qualifying for the class, they rise from the dead with the level zero in the class; he's still the same ECL/HD as he was before. Once he levels up, he takes the first class level.

(I hate that class so much, from every standpoint possible.)

[Venger]

It has a level zero. As part of qualifying for the class, they rise from the dead with the level zero in the class; he's still the same ECL/HD as he was before. Once he levels up, he takes the first class level.

(I hate that class so much, from every standpoint possible.)

can't blame you. it was even ruled as being too brutal for an iron chef challenge (and we just finished doing shadowdancer)

I especially like how you have to die and not get res'd to get in.

then once you're in, you must adhere to the code of conduct (or die)

and if you're able to make it 10 levels without dying (or being killed by your god) then you are rewarded by being killed by your god, and dying.

you'd think that your class features would help ease the burden but they really really dont

[Psyren]

In Risen Martyr's defense, I think it's intended for games where resurrection is uncommon or nonexistent. I mean, sure it sucks, but it beats simply rerolling at level 1 if "the great evil" is left unchecked.

[Heatwizard]

You could always craft some magic stuff to lose XP.

[Psyren]

You could always craft some magic stuff to lose XP.

Or make out with a Wight.

(What? The BoED didn't ban that one!)

[herrhauptmann]

Isn't Sovereign Speaker (Faith of Eberron) an odd leveled one? 11 or 13 I think?


Can this be explained? I know it kills you as a capstone, but the 11 levels thing?
"Capstone" sorta means that it happens when you reach level 10. Instead, it happens once you hit your next level.
But I don't think most games last so long that you get killed by your god.
Die at say level 9, your body is unrecoverable because the rest of the party fled for their lives. Next day, you wake up as a RM 0. You've now got until level 19 to finish your quest. And unless your quest is the Needlessly Endless Dungeon, I think you can manage it.


In Risen Martyr's defense, I think it's intended for games where resurrection is uncommon or nonexistent. I mean, sure it sucks, but it beats simply rerolling at level 1 if "the great evil" is left unchecked.
I don't know of too many games that cause you to reroll at level 1 when the rest of the party is higher level.

RM's code could use a little work. But RM isn't too bad. I mean, it IS full casting, and does grant you a butt-ton of immunities like Necropolitan does (which also requires you to die).
Of course, BoED does have the Vow of Poverty: I'm pretty sure it's supposed be a mechanical benefit to playing a crazed hermit that lives in the wilderness (ex: St Ungoliant from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett)
Then there's the Vows of Stop your Party from playing their characters, or even defending themselves.


Or make out with a Wight.

Are you trying to make a super holy character, with the feat lich-loved.:smalleek:
offtopic:
So is it a matter of getting locked into 1 PrC which everyone hates, or what?

[GoatBoy]

Some of the >10 level PrC's are designed to take the character from minimum possible entry all the way to 20. True Necromancer is one (*spit*), Moonspeaker from Races of Eberron is another, so are all of Unearthed Arcana's "prestige" base classes.

Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil has 7 levels for fluff reasons. There might be classes out there in a similar situation.

Edit: Faiths of Eberron's Sovereign Speaker has 9 levels, and represents worship of the entire Sovereign Host pantheon, which has 9 gods. Same with Escalation Mage.

[Lateral]

In Risen Martyr's defense, I think it's intended for games where resurrection is uncommon or nonexistent. I mean, sure it sucks, but it beats simply rerolling at level 1 if "the great evil" is left unchecked.

You have to have been martyred for it to work, though. Most PCs probably fall short of martyrdom.

[Amphetryon]

Jaunter is 4 levels long.

Impure Prince is 6 levels long.

[Psyren]

You have to have been martyred for it to work, though. Most PCs probably fall short of martyrdom.

It's intentionally left vague. Depending on how you read it, you could simply have your PC yell out "I'm martyring" before being killed by evil forces and it could work. So it's up to the DM really.

And while we're on the subject, the martyrdom chapter specifically mentions that the class is meant for no-rez games, so my point stands.