3.5 druid feral shape change

[kayden87]

If you have a druid and the druid saw a wild bear that was feral. you can turn into it, but how.do u calculate it? Add the feral template and minus 2 HR?

[The Glyphstone]

Druids cannot Wildshape into anything with a template.

[Tokuhara]

Druids cannot Wildshape into anything with a template.

Without special feats, such as Exalted Wildshape or Aberrant Wildshape

[The Glyphstone]

Without special feats, such as Exalted Wildshape or Aberrant Wildshape

Exalted Wildshape, correct. Does Abberant Wildshape let you take templated shapes?

Either way, Feral is none of the above.

[Tokuhara]

Exalted Wildshape, correct. Does Abberant Wildshape let you take templated shapes?

Either way, Feral is none of the above.

Aberrant lets you take the form including a Pseudonatural animal

[kayden87]

Darn, what templates with.feats can a druid turn into?

[Tokuhara]

Darn, what templates with.feats can a druid turn into?

Pseudonatural (Aberrant Wildshape), anything covered by Frozen Wildshape, Dragons (Dragon Wildshape), Aberrations (Aberrant Wildshape), Vermin (Child of Winter), and Celestial (Exalted Wildshape)

[The Glyphstone]

Pseudonatural (Aberrant Wildshape), anything covered by Frozen Wildshape, Dragons (Dragon Wildshape), Aberrations (Aberrant Wildshape), Vermin (Child of Winter), and Celestial (Exalted Wildshape)

Not quite. Abberant and Exalted Wildshape specifically list templates, giving an exception to the 'cannot adopt a templated form' rule. You can't use Dragon Wildshape to turn into a Half-Dragon Dire Bear, for instance.

[Tokuhara]

Not quite. Abberant and Exalted Wildshape specifically list templates, giving an exception to the 'cannot adopt a templated form' rule. You can't use Dragon Wildshape to turn into a Half-Dragon Dire Bear, for instance.

Correct, however you can wildshape into a Dragon. And hypothetically, you can become a Pink Dragon (Half-Red White Dragon)

[The Glyphstone]

Correct, however you can wildshape into a Dragon. And hypothetically, you can become a Pink Dragon (Half-Red White Dragon)

Dragon Wildshape doesn't give a template exception - so while you could turn into a Red Dragon, or a White Dragon, a Half-Red White Dragon would be violating the 'no templates' rule.

[Tokuhara]

Dragon Wildshape doesn't give a template exception - so while you could turn into a Red Dragon, or a White Dragon, a Half-Red White Dragon would be violating the 'no templates' rule.

Dang...

I thought Rule of Cool > RAW

It's a Pink Dragon for Vecna's Sake. It breathes a cone of flaming ice! How do you beat that?

[Gavinfoxx]

If I wanted to make a Druid that focuses on Wild Shape, here are the feats I would take Druid 20, and the feats...

1.?
Hu. ?
3.?
6. Natural Spell
9. Exalted Wild Shape
12. Dragon Wild Shape
15. Frozen Wild Shape
18. ?

And just use lots of interesting forms. No templates other than the ones added by Exalted Wild Shape, but you have a form for everything you might want to do.

At level 18, here are some of the best forms you can Wild Shape into:

Celestial T-Rex
Celestial Dire Polar Bear
Celestial Dire Tiger
Celestial Triceratops
Celestial Grizzly Mastodon
Celestial Dire Tortoise
Celestial Giant Banded Lizard
Celestial Dragonhawk
Celestial Giant Squid
Celestial Legendary Ape
Celestial Legendary Eagle
12-Headed Cryohydra
Young Adult Shadow Dragon
Young Adult Song Dragon
Young Adult Steel Dragon
Juvenile Pan Lung (Dragon)
Young Yu Lung (Dragon)
Pegasus
Unicorn

[Tokuhara]

You forgot White and Silver Dragon, which IIRC you can wildshape into from Frozen Wildshape (Don't quote me on this)

and ALWAYS take Assume Supernatural Ability

[Gavinfoxx]

Yea, but WHICH supernatural ability do you choose when you select that feat?? 'Breath Weapon'?

Also, Frozen Wild Shape only gives you Magical Beasts with the cold subtype...

http://web.archive.org/web/20080919131238/http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-404381

Some stuff on Dragon Wild Shape forms.