alternate means of Tensers floating disc

[croaker]

I have a question about tenser's floating disc if i rammed it into someone would it do damage and if so how much im not very good with collision rules.

thanks

[Arundel]

How exactly to you plan on doing that?

Also, being as the disc is confined to your base speed (and likely weighs very little or nothing) I think it would be trivial nonlethal damage at best.

[croaker]

just checking. one of my players asked and i said i would look into it. he was hoping for the destruct o disk from dragonball.

[jaybird]

I'm thinking Mount+Haste...

[Gavinfoxx]

Uhm, if a player just wants the destructo disk from dragonball... why don't you just help them with that? There are TONS of ways to do dragonball blasty stuff... Also, you do know that spells can look however characters want them too? That's why you need to use a skill (Spellcraft) to identify spells..

[croaker]

i know this its just this player likes using spells in unconventional ways. like instead of using mount as well a mount he uses them as a weight to drop on people that sorta thing

[Gavinfoxx]

Well point him to some threads that talk about ways of using spells and such... there are lots of them. like here is a list of things an Unseen Servant can do, for example:

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11066.0

Take the bit about the Collar of Perpetual Attendance and Unseen Servant

"Collar of Perpetual Attendance
Price: 2000 GP
Weight: 0.25#
(WotC online article, Fabulous Cats!)
Unseen servant at will. How is this so powerful? Well, it may be a mindless, shapeless force, but it can perform any activity that an unskilled human can do. This means it gets the same actions every round that any other creature would get: one move + one standard action, or one full-round action. Although it usually takes a move action to direct a spell, this means you can convert your move action into another standard action or more. It has a speed of 15' (10' if encumbered), so it can move up to 30' a round, and while it doesn't have a fly speed exactly (it has no weight, so it can't "fall"), it can move vertically up or down within the spell's range (up to 30' from the collar).

Unseen servants can also make skill checks so long as the skill is not "trained only" and the DC is 10 or less. This does allow them to "Aid Another" on skill checks (DC 10), although they can't take a 10 on the check. This allows them to Aid Another on:

Balance, Bluff (including feint), Climb, Concentration, Craft, Diplomacy, Disguise, Forgery, Gather Info, Heal, Hide, Intimidate, Jump, Listen, Move Silently, Perform, Ride, Search, Sense Motive, Spot, Survival, Swim, Use Rope, and maybe a few of the other non-PHB skills out there.

Other things an unseen servant can do:

* retrieve/fold a net
* reload a crossbow or sling
* drop/pick up caltrops
* light/carry a smokestick (mobile concealment) or noxious smokestick (save vs. nausea)
* light an oil slick or web on fire
* spread a bag of marbles into a square (5' x 5' nonmagical grease)
* pump a sprayer full of holy water, oil, aboleth mucus, or poison (area effect, 5' x 10' line, autohit/no save). Might be iffy if this is an "Attack"
* apply an oil/cream to a willing/unconscious target
* apply a blessed bandage/healing salve or forcefeed a goodberry/cure potion to a dying creature
* hold a darkwood feycraft tower shield
* activate a feather token such as a tree or swan boat (20d6 falling object damage, no save). Again, Iffy if this is an attack. Breaking RAI.
* blow a horn of fog, play drums of panic
* open a fire trapped item while holding a piece of parchment inscribed with explosive runes (burning parchment = attempt to erase)
* crush a skull talisman (Frostburn)
* drop/break chardalyn stone (Silver Marches Web Enhancement) or Shalantha's Delicate Disk (Lost Empires of Faerun)
* activate an explosive pack (Secrets of Sarlona)
* activate/carry/drop a ditherbomb (Races of the Dragon)
* open a screaming flask (Complete Mage)
* spread powder of the black veil (MIC), 10' cube of no save blindness
* set/trigger a blast disk (Heroes of Battle) or exploding/sleeping/stunning spike (MIC)
* spread/drop slashing sand (MIC) or vial of icy sheets (Frostburn)"

There are lots of threads all over the place about creative uses of spells. Give him a list of some of the things you will be okay with, for example...

[Psyren]

I would fluff something else as a destructo disk, e.g. Decapitating Scarf or Whirling Blade.