League of Legends XXVII: Your Sister's Hotter

[ex cathedra]

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[Terribad]

First!

Mmmm Galio ... I loved playing him when he was free. I think he's one of the few AP tanks that can lane top. Is he countered by any of the more popular top lane bruisers?

[Math_Mage]

I seem to recall the vote didn't go to that title...:smallconfused:


I have a 90% winratio with Taric. I really, really do not understand how this is possible. I mean, as far as winratios go, after 10 games having only dropped one, Taric is my best hero... what is this?

Anyways, I'm 1461 elo right now. I feel like, eventually, I'm going to hit gold this season. It might take a while, though.

I'm 13-5 with supports right now. Which means I'm combined <50% on everyone else. :smallsigh:

Taric's really good at winning lanes and giving teams a focus target.

[Silverraptor]

*Checks title*

Even though its my named thread, I see quite a number of stepped on toes here.

[Draken]

Nothing meaningful to say, just marking the thread for ease of future visibility!

[ex cathedra]

I seem to recall the vote didn't go to that title...:smallconfused:


*Checks title*

Even though its my named thread, I see quite a number of stepped on toes here.

As I recall, this title had one less vote than the Dodge title. Don't I get to contribute a vote?

Edit: Ugh, yeah, I guess that two people voted after me. Is it going to be that much of a problem?


First! /10char

Classy.

[Math_Mage]

As I recall, this title had one less vote than the Dodge title. Don't I get to contribute a vote?

You do, but Get Out of Dodge had 6 votes total: Dragonus45, dgnslayer, Hyudra, Joran, Delusion, and Even Human. Personally I wanted to dodge an arrow to the knee for combined memetasticness, but I didn't think of it in time. Besides that, I don't particularly care about the title. Just noting who does.

[dgnslyr]

So, after a long and math-involving discussion with a friend of mine over the balance of Volibear that may or may not have compromised my sleeping hours, I'm starting to feel that Volibear is a little too good. His passive gives him 30% more effective health, and his ulti does massive amounts of damage. For comparison, Twitch's ulti also boosts autoattacks, but only for a limited number of shots. Maybe impose a similar restriction for Voli's ulti? Because 620 extra damage a hit is quite a bit...

[toasty]

Taric's really good at winning lanes and giving teams a focus target.

I feel like this is entirely why I'm good at Taric. Its like, people don't know how to deal with aggressive lanes bottom. Its... not that hard you know. You just take bush control or play Soraka and DON'T DIE YOU IDIOT. That's... that's it.

But meanwhile: let's see how long it takes me to get gold, yeah?

[Terribad]

Classy.

I know, I know. I had something somewhat meaningful to post but wanted to "reserve" first post :smallredface:


So, after a long and math-involving discussion with a friend of mine over the balance of Volibear that may or may not have compromised my sleeping hours, I'm starting to feel that Volibear is a little too good. His passive gives him 30% more effective health, and his ulti does massive amounts of damage. For comparison, Twitch's ulti also boosts autoattacks, but only for a limited number of shots. Maybe impose a similar restriction for Voli's ulti? Because 620 extra damage a hit is quite a bit...

Not forgetting now that Ionic Spark is available for SR, its quite a perfect DPS item for him, boosting his Aspd, tankiness and Frenzy.

I think the Warmog nerf is good for the game. More offensive tanky DPSers like Wukong would opt to go the Frozen Mallet route instead of Metagolem

[Duos]

So, I've been playing Veigar a bit since the buffs, and I gotta say, they're pretty nice. No more running out of mana after two minutes. This translates into an eaasier early game (still kinda weak, though) but your late game is better and comes sooner. I still have mana problems when farming Q, but I don't think it's anything that better runes/masteries/starting items couldn't fix.

[Math_Mage]

First!

Mmmm Galio ... I loved playing him when he was free. I think he's one of the few AP tanks that can lane top. Is he countered by any of the more popular top lane bruisers?

Udyr makes his ult sad. GP can probably poke him away from creeps. Yorick has the effective range to harass him. But those three champs can say the same for pretty much any top laner.

[Dogmantra]

I seem to recall the vote didn't go to that title...:smallconfused:
Whoever makes the thread chooses the title. This is how it has always been.


I know, I know. I had something somewhat meaningful to post but wanted to "reserve" first post :smallredface:
You probably want to read these again (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/announcement.php?a=1)


Not forgetting now that Ionic Spark is available for SR, its quite a perfect DPS item for him, boosting his Aspd, tankiness and Frenzy.
Would be perfect if it wasn't terrible.


Udyr makes his ult sad. GP can probably poke him away from creeps. Yorick has the effective range to harass him. But those three champs can say the same for pretty much any top laner.
Honestly, only Udyr gives Galio trouble. Plankgang and Yorick mean you probably have to actually take any ranks in Bulwark in lane, but you're generally fine.


Destruction marks and quints might see some use. I expect to see people using marks for some characters (read: Jax, Kayle, Teemo).
I certainly won't be using them on Teemo. Do barely any physical damage there.

[Daverin]

http://i.imgur.com/iRqDC.jpg

So... yeah. This was one of the best games ever. After the Garen not getting the champ he wants, we decide to troll him for swearing to not play, with the team above. We proceed to smitesteal their blue buff, and then just derp around early phase, with an Eve Morde double jungle for a few minutes, bot going down immediately, and then just kind of... wandering around. Apparently, the enemy really felt I was meant to be the tank. Also apparently, the Morg sucked, and the GP was a boss. In general, it was extremely hilarious... and we won, admittedly due to forfeit, but I honestly suspect they did it because they knew we won teamfights. :smalltongue:

[ex cathedra]

Udyr makes his ult sad. GP can probably poke him away from creeps. Yorick has the effective range to harass him. But those three champs can say the same for pretty much any top laner.

Garen is another counterpick. While I haven't played the matchup, Galio should still win his lane but Garen is going to make your ult sad, too. :smallfrown:

@Double Penetration runes:

Are they better than flat AD marks/quints on Corki/Jax? I really doubt it.

They're probably okay on non-support (I hope people don't do this) non-jungle (jungle kayle 2 stronk) Kayle. Which is, to say, very very rarely.

No one plays Teemo anyways.

[Terribad]

I'm guessing Garen and Udyr make my ult sad because of on-hit silence and bear stance?

Udyr countering Galio lane, how does it work? I was thinking it was probably just a trade-harass kind of situation like GP and Yorick ('cept I think Yorick has way more painful harass)

[ex cathedra]

Udyr can go tiger stance, build Wriggles, and have enough sustain that Galio will never be able to force Udyr out of lane alone. Udyr can also do some serious damage before Galio gets his first defensive items.

[Posca]

So how do you lane against tyr? I seem to be doing terrible against him whoever I play. I usually play panth, gp or irelia when I top and maybe nasus and if tyr has any clue about how to play I generally loose the lane.

Pre-six I try to harrass him with spear/parrrley but he heals up way to fast and my mana dries up with his hp above %60 and going for melee exchanges results in him regening damage I did in few seconds while I can't do the same.

Post-six he spins on top of me and if I stay I die to his ult, If I try to run I take tons of damage being slowed and aa till tower.

So what to do? What not to do? general advice and champ specific advise both welcome here.

[sucatraps]

I want to say you're talking about Garen, but have no idea how that turned into tyr.

[Math_Mage]

Honestly, only Udyr gives Galio trouble. Plankgang and Yorick mean you probably have to actually take any ranks in Bulwark in lane, but you're generally fine.

I don't get it. GP and Yorick have much cheaper, lower-CD harass. Like, I can see how Bulwark might negate Yorick's harass pretty hard due to abundance of 35% autoattacks, but Parrrley should still be pretty painful.


I'm guessing Garen and Udyr make my ult sad because of on-hit silence and bear stance?

Udyr countering Galio lane, how does it work? I was thinking it was probably just a trade-harass kind of situation like GP and Yorick ('cept I think Yorick has way more painful harass)

Udyr used Turtle Stance! It was super-effective! (Add Wriggle's+Wit's later for more unstoppable sustain.)

Udyr used Bear Stance! It was super-effective! (Any time Galio burns Righteous Smite and misses you, you can go stun him and claw his face off. Also breaks ult.)


So how do you lane against tyr? I seem to be doing terrible against him whoever I play. I usually play panth, gp or irelia when I top and maybe nasus and if tyr has any clue about how to play I generally loose the lane.

Pre-six I try to harrass him with spear/parrrley but he heals up way to fast and my mana dries up with his hp above %60 and going for melee exchanges results in him regening damage I did in few seconds while I can't do the same.

Post-six he spins on top of me and if I stay I die to his ult, If I try to run I take tons of damage being slowed and aa till tower.

So what to do? What not to do? general advice and champ specific advise both welcome here.

Actually, I bet Galio's pretty good against top lane Tryn. Teamfights are a bit more annoying, though, since he doesn't insta-die to ult. Riven can stun anytime Tryn gets close, and Q gets her away despite slow. I've had success with Singed, but I'm probably not supposed to. Wukong can dash-Q harass and W out of losing situations. Honestly, I would have pegged Nasus and Panth as good lanes against Tryn--Nasus with Wither and heavy heavy armor, Panth with endless spear harass and multiple defenses against autoattack engages.

[Daverin]

Do be careful about Nasus v Trynd, though. Wither can definitely help, but I have played once against Trynd where I had my backside handed to me on an ignominious platter; it only got worse when he picked up that Wriggles...

[Terribad]

So what to do? What not to do? general advice and champ specific advise both welcome here.

I also usually play GP solo top. If he's healing, that means he's auto attacking minions alot and pushing the wave, so let him. You should be fighting in your third of the lane or even at tower.

I generally start either Cloth + pots, faerie charm + pots and ward or meki + pots.

The alternative is go aggro on him early game. Pre-six, use the brush. poke him with Parrley, dodge into brush to avoid minion agrro and then charge out to attack him. Your aim in this case is to force him back from farm. Underfarmed tryn is sad tryn.

[sucatraps]

Honestly, I would have pegged Nasus and Panth as good lanes against Tryn--Nasus with Wither and heavy heavy armor, Panth with endless spear harass and multiple defenses against autoattack engages.

Nasus actually loses the lane incredibly hard for the first few levels against any kind of a competent Trynd, due to the high mana costs on Wither and Trynd's massive damage and sustain at early levels. Once you get some armor, however, it turns into a free farm lane as you both have very, very strong sustain. Of course, in the late game when teamfights start happening, get one Wither on him and he either is totally useless or has to blow Cleanse, at which point I hope someone on your team has an Exhaust to make him sad again.

[Delusion]

So its possible to get 9% lifesteel from Masteries and runes alone now. Worth it?

[Morph Bark]

So its possible to get 9% lifesteel from Masteries and runes alone now. Worth it?

From masteries yes, but runes may not be, at least not in early game. Then a Doran's Blade is enough and better. Plus you might need other runes in those slots.

[Eldariel]

So how do you lane against tyr? I seem to be doing terrible against him whoever I play. I usually play panth, gp or irelia when I top and maybe nasus and if tyr has any clue about how to play I generally loose the lane.

Pre-six I try to harrass him with spear/parrrley but he heals up way to fast and my mana dries up with his hp above %60 and going for melee exchanges results in him regening damage I did in few seconds while I can't do the same.

Post-six he spins on top of me and if I stay I die to his ult, If I try to run I take tons of damage being slowed and aa till tower.

So what to do? What not to do? general advice and champ specific advise both welcome here.

Generally, harassing him isn't terribly efficient, at least if you spend mana on it. Use your abilities defensively; if he goes aggressive, use your abilities to gain a profittable trade and avoid staying on the fight. Basically, when he goes on you, hit him once or twice and then establish some gap (obviously you want to evoke creep aggro).

[balistafreak]

So my friend and I just had a series of 6 games... where he goes AP Mid-Warwick.

Boots-3 pot start, rushing for three Doran's Rings before turning around and getting a Madred's Bloodrazor, Wit's End, and Spirit Visage, in some order depending on how the game's going.

I know that's only "four" items, but we have yet to have a game where the enemy team doesn't surrender before he can get to a fifth.

He's won his lane over all sorts of mid-lane mages - Swain, Annie, Lux, Leblanc, and some more that I don't even remember. He then proceeds to turn into a hyper-leveled, hyper-fed carry.

To be fair, I'm warding him up to keep him safe from ganks, securing him dragons, and feeding him blue buffs for the entire midgame (I take my first as the jungler but that's it, and we never hit endgame), but he almost always gets at least one kill in his lane, and sometimes even more, decisively winning it without a doubt.

... so, is Midwick a thing, or is my friend just hilariously good/randoms just hilariously bad?

[Math_Mage]

Midwick and Middyr have been intermittently popular. Putting anything with 380 movespeed at level 1 against mid Morgana is pretty lulzy.

However...has he tried this against Sion?

[Tesla_pasta]

WOOT! finally got lol working on my mac!


also- new week new champs, so I need to save up for riven. 'till then i'm running poppy like it's going out of style. mostly because when I first learned the game, she gave me the most trouble out of anyone other than maaaaaybe nocture. So now the stomping boot is on the other foot, so to speak.

anyway, I think I need a beter build than the suggested one. Any advice, playground forum?

[Eldariel]

WOOT! finally got lol working on my mac!


also- new week new champs, so I need to save up for riven. 'till then i'm running poppy like it's going out of style. mostly because when I first learned the game, she gave me the most trouble out of anyone other than maaaaaybe nocture. So now the stomping boot is on the other foot, so to speak.

anyway, I think I need a beter build than the suggested one. Any advice, playground forum?

She has two default builds; you can go AP and just hyperburst someone down (this generally involves Lichbane + Deathcap + Deathfire Grasp) or AD and burst into hitting them in the face (generally Trinity > standard ASpd+AD).

AP obviously has stupid burst while AD does decent damage when the stuff isn't up. AD is obviously less vulnerable to MR (but harder to build penetration for, on the flipside).

[Dada]

So my friend and I just had a series of 6 games... where he goes AP Mid-Warwick.

Boots-3 pot start, rushing for three Doran's Rings before turning around and getting a Madred's Bloodrazor, Wit's End, and Spirit Visage, in some order depending on how the game's going.

I know that's only "four" items, but we have yet to have a game where the enemy team doesn't surrender before he can get to a fifth.

He's won his lane over all sorts of mid-lane mages - Swain, Annie, Lux, Leblanc, and some more that I don't even remember. He then proceeds to turn into a hyper-leveled, hyper-fed carry.

To be fair, I'm warding him up to keep him safe from ganks, securing him dragons, and feeding him blue buffs for the entire midgame (I take my first as the jungler but that's it, and we never hit endgame), but he almost always gets at least one kill in his lane, and sometimes even more, decisively winning it without a doubt.

... so, is Midwick a thing, or is my friend just hilariously good/randoms just hilariously bad?

In my experience, Midwick is viable, and this is the impression I get from watching Guardsman Bob as well.

The thing is, Warwick actually prefers mid to top. He has no innate escapes so the shorter lane benefits him, while his laning strength is dependant on the amount of ganks he gets post-6. It is much easier for the jungler to give Warwick the ganks he needs mid, and mid also makes it much easier for Warwick to roam off and gank with his ult. Also, finding their jungler low and picking up the kill because of bloodscent is so fun.

For items, Dorans Ring is a very strong laning item for Warwick, and I usually start with one. I've seen multiple Dorans Rings work by improving his laning phase further, but personally I prefer to work my way directly to something Glacial Shroud + Wits End ish. Problem is, Dorans Ring is the opposite of what you want come mid- and lategame.

[Morph Bark]

That makes me wonder... can Warwick use his ult through walls? Specifically, at least the walls near the mid lane/river intersection?

[Laudandus]

I don't get it. GP and Yorick have much cheaper, lower-CD harass. Like, I can see how Bulwark might negate Yorick's harass pretty hard due to abundance of 35% autoattacks, but Parrrley should still be pretty painful.

The key to galio vs gp is to remember that gp's passive ticks a bunch of times, and bulwark makes galio regen hp every time he takes damage. There's an initial hit and then 3 ticks, so galio timing bulwark against parrrley should get healed 4 times every time he gets hit

[Volatar]

Man, they really need to make more Lux skins.

[Moonshadow]

Wut. She has 5 already. I mean, sure, the only good ones are Spellthief and her original, but that's already 2 more than a lot of champs.

[Dada]

That makes me wonder... can Warwick use his ult through walls? Specifically, at least the walls near the mid lane/river intersection?

Yes, Warwick can ult over most flashable walls.

[Volatar]

Wut. She has 5 already. I mean, sure, the only good ones are Spellthief and her original, but that's already 2 more than a lot of champs.

Nope. She only has one good skin: Sorceress. All the others have far too little leg.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Nope. She only has one good skin: Sorceress. All the others have far too little leg.

+1 for truth.

The other also aren't bubbly enough. Lux cannot not be bubbly. Spellthief would be a great skin on anyone else, but on Lux it just falls flat: it tries to hard to makes her dark and edgy, and Lux...well...is the opposite of dark and edgy.

[Adumbration]

With 43 wins and 32 losses, I'm back over the 1500s limit in ranked solo queue. :smallbiggrin: Now to see how far I can actually get, considering I didn't get serious with ranked until slightly before the end of Season 1.

[Lix Lorn]

Not forgetting now that Ionic Spark is available for SR, its quite a perfect DPS item for him, boosting his Aspd, tankiness and Frenzy.
Wait, it is?


Wut. She has 5 already. I mean, sure, the only good ones are Spellthief and her original, but that's already 2 more than a lot of champs.


Nope. She only has one good skin: Sorceress. All the others have far too little leg.
Disagree! I quite like her Imperial skin.

[Delusion]

In the best case scenario, only 3 hours for Ahri. In the worse case, 8 hours. Hope its the earlier, I have appointment tomorrow morning :smallsigh:

In other news, I am on a winstreak on Dominion with Riven. Again. Kinda have to love how her scaling allows her to catch up a bit nearly no matter how bad her early game goes.

[Morph Bark]

Disagree! I quite like her Imperial skin.

Obligatory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs).

[9mm]

well the only skin lux needs is a sailor lux though.

[tribble]

So, I just watched the Gangplank champion spotlight.

Is it me, or did the improve the tar out of his autoattack animation? It's like, shorter than kassadins, and kass barely even has an autoattack animation.

[Lix Lorn]

In the best case scenario, only 3 hours for Ahri. In the worse case, 8 hours. Hope its the earlier, I have appointment tomorrow morning :smallsigh:
but but but ;_;


Obligatory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs).
what. xD

[toasty]

With 43 wins and 32 losses, I'm back over the 1500s limit in ranked solo queue. :smallbiggrin: Now to see how far I can actually get, considering I didn't get serious with ranked until slightly before the end of Season 1.

After 200 games I'm almost to gold for the first time. I feel like I'm about to hit a sorta losing streak and lose like 100 or so elo, but you never know. Last season I hit Silver ONCE and only because I abused the hell out of Nunu and Counterjungling before people knew what Counterjungling was. This season I've hit Silver three times.

I might just spam GP games to see if I can do it. Even if, I've decided, GP is boring as hell to play in lane.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Disagree! I quite like her Imperial skin.

Imperial Lux is what Commando Lux should have been. I just hope it gets put on sale soon. :smallfrown:



well the only skin lux needs is a sailor lux though.

I honestly have no idea why Riot haven't made this yet.

[9mm]

Imperial Lux is what Commando Lux should have been. I just hope it gets put on sale soon. :smallfrown:




I honestly have no idea why Riot haven't made this yet.

probably the same reason sunbathing leona and bunnygirl riven aren't out yet; they want it to be an "event" release.

[Dragonus45]

So i just wandered in, but what happened to the thread titles, i could have sworn the dodge jokes had more votes?

[Joran]

So i just wandered in, but what happened to the thread titles, i could have sworn the dodge jokes had more votes?

As always, thread creator has final say. Remember when Dogmantra did gunbladeface.jpg?

[Delusion]

So i tried Cv+Heal as Janna. We won the game because their bot lane fed our Sion like pro, but I dunno how wether I should just go back to flash+cv. I certainly felt the lack of flash until I got boots.

[sucatraps]

As always, thread creator has final say. Remember when Dogmantra did gunbladeface.jpg?

And when I did the Sion one.

[Dragonus45]

As always, thread creator has final say. Remember when Dogmantra did gunbladeface.jpg?

Well then whats the point of bringing it up before hand, and people voting? It seems a little under handed is all.

[Merellis]

So is there even a point to voting for what thread title to do next? Because it seems like you might as well wait until 50 then try to be the first to make the next one. :smalltongue:

In other news, nothing more fun than Lux right now. Must play her more often!

Edit: And shen'd/akali'd/kennen'd

[Dogmantra]

I don't get it. GP and Yorick have much cheaper, lower-CD harass. Like, I can see how Bulwark might negate Yorick's harass pretty hard due to abundance of 35% autoattacks, but Parrrley should still be pretty painful.
Gangplank has two spells which make him stand still. If he wants to use Parrrley or Raise Morale, he takes a Smite to the face. A Smite/Gust if it won't push too much. Yorick... well, a) no-one plays Yorick, but b) he's just not threatening. He doesn't have enough sustain to outheal your harrass, and you can pick up a rank in Bulwark to negate his ghouls.


As always, thread creator has final say. Remember when Dogmantra did gunbladeface.jpg?
Then it got nerfed :( Next thread's going to be named ireliaface.jpg


So i tried Cv+Heal as Janna. We won the game because their bot lane fed our Sion like pro, but I dunno how wether I should just go back to flash+cv. I certainly felt the lack of flash until I got boots.
Go to Flash/Heal?
Honestly CV is kinda bad now. Good warding and map awareness is all you really need.


Well then whats the point of bringing it up before hand, and people voting? It seems a little under handed is all.
It's because we never agreed to vote for titles. Basically, some people decided to come up with funny titles for the next thread for whatever reason and then someone said "this has my vote" sort of as a nod of approval, then it's been misconstrued into an actual voting process. If you don't like that the thread creator picks the title, you're welcome to make the new threads yourself.

Though I'm half tempted to petition the mods to ban this thread from having a subtitle, what with all the drama it seems to cause.

[Math_Mage]

^ CV's still very strong, I take CV/Flash on Alistar and CV/Heal on everyone else. And I ward like a mofo; it's still not an acceptable substitute.


The key to galio vs gp is to remember that gp's passive ticks a bunch of times, and bulwark makes galio regen hp every time he takes damage. There's an initial hit and then 3 ticks, so galio timing bulwark against parrrley should get healed 4 times every time he gets hit

Oh right, them DoTs. Gotta think of something else, then.


And when I did the Sion one.

And when I did the GlaDos title...wait no a bunch of people (including Dog) complained at me until I changed it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203298). Then other people complained that I changed the thread title. :smallannoyed:

[Dogmantra]

And when I did the GlaDos title...wait no a bunch of people (including Dog) complained at me until I changed it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203298).

Hold on.

Hoooold on.

what? you directly responded to my admission it was tongue in cheek with more tongue in cheekery.

Now, if all of this thread title drama is tongue in cheek, then it's damn subtle

[Dragonus45]

Im not trying to be dramatic, i thought we were actually voting is all. Know that i know its not an actual vote ill just try to be the one to make it like everyone else does.

[Merellis]

So the morale of the story is that no one is ever pleased. :smallwink:

Though I didn't know the votes did nothing, I came in a couple threads ago and assumed that was how it worked. I further assumed that was how it works based on posts like this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12372774&postcount=1502)

Not that I have an issue with the actual name, I just thought the votes meant something as people were counting them.

Silly me for not starting at the first thread I guess. :smallredface:

[Morph Bark]

but but but ;_;


what. xD

First time me and my friends saw that skin, we were like "hey, she looks like Cammy (from Street Fighter) wearing Bison's outfit!" :smalltongue:

[balistafreak]

Honestly CV is kinda bad now. Good warding and map awareness is all you really need.

As my team's jungler, I must vehemently disagree.

CV enables me to pull stupid antics - things like tower-diving in the course of a gank, reverse-tower-diving (coming in from behind, being the first to attract aggro, letting the laners dive themselves without fear of damage), hilarious counter-jungling, and more. CV still lets you track the enemy jungler's progress; and now with the reduced spawn times on small camps, if a small camp is gone, it's a slightly more sure indicator of the enemy jungler's recent travels, even if you don't catch the jungler proper.

CV lets you decide whether or not a five-man blue-invasion is viable or not, or maybe just a two/three-man steal.

Even in late game, it lets you check bushes that aren't commonly warded (I'm pretty sure their entire team is there, but I want to get vision to initiate with), look over walls/cliffs to use abilities, check how far you can chase the enemy, and so on.

Heal certainly has more teamfight power, sure, but map awareness in my opinion should be exploited to let you start snowballing so that teamfights aren't even a question of whether or not victory is possible - you should have more dragons, farm, kills, barons, and buffs, all because of Dat CV.

[toasty]

As somebody who jungles a lot in solo queue: I disagree. Basically, Heal wins you levels 1-3 in lane which is pretty much the most likely time to get first blood. Get first blood on vayne and you've won the lane. If you win the lane hard enough with vayne its an auto win the game.

CV is good, but it requires coordination. Obviously in a 5 queue this can be useful, but the ability to play aggressively levels 1-3 and even mid-late game have a nice AoE burst heal is really, really good.

The thing about CV is that it tells the enemy that you have something warded. Wards are safer. They do cost money, but not that much. A support running gold/10 quints+greed+2 gold/10 can easily afford enough wards for your entire team! Add to this 1-2 wriggles, and the tank getting Oracles and BOOM you have all the wards a team needs.

[Delusion]

Ahri's stats are already in the Lol wiki. The spell vamp granted by the passive appears to be 35%. Which is kinda low since she already has that for every fourth spell at best.

[Kairaven]

Ahri's stats are already in the Lol wiki. The spell vamp granted by the passive appears to be 35%. Which is kinda low since she already has that for every fourth spell at best.

hmm...not really that low, since with mastery and item and now runes you are looking at a possible 64% spellvamp every forth spell

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Ok, so that redbuff change? Malphite has abso-freaking-lutely retarded ganks now. Completely bonkers, I tell you.

[Maeglin_Dubh]

Ok, so that redbuff change? Malphite has abso-freaking-lutely retarded ganks now. Completely bonkers, I tell you.

As bonkers as Shaco?

New jungle Shaco. Outlevels solo lanes 3 minutes in. Ganks with a ranged, spammable, 30% slow.

[tribble]

As bonkers as Shaco?

New jungle Shaco. Outlevels solo lanes 3 minutes in. Ganks with a ranged, spammable, 30% slow.

The only difference is the magnitude of the slow, though.

[Daverin]

So yeah, Viktor is currently in the wiki... with numbers and everything. That is one heck of a leak...

EDIT: Ooh, foxfire can lock onto the same target. Nifty. Also, apparently rather spammable.

[Qwertystop]

Remember I was on a 4-win streak with Anivia.
Ah well...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7415/59475785.png

I was at 1-0 for quite a while, then the entire enemy team came mid and got me. It just went downhill from there. Tristy, Kat, and Sona were doing that bad the whole game, far as I saw.

[ex cathedra]

So yeah, Viktor is currently in the wiki... with numbers and everything. That is one heck of a leak...

EDIT: Ooh, foxfire can lock onto the same target. Nifty. Also, apparently rather spammable.

It's to be expected. We assume that he's included in this patch so that he can be released during the dead business week, when Riot ordinarily wouldn't be working. By doing a bit of extra work early, they can release someone for the players during that week without needing as many workers as they ordinarily would. At least, that's my interpretation. It's not a leak if they just give the information freely.

[Math_Mage]

Heal, CV, Flash, by support, IMO:
Alistar: CV/Flash
Sona: Heal/Flash
Janna: Heal/CV or Heal/Flash
Soraka: Heal/CV
Taric: Heal/CV
Blitzcrank: Heal/CV
Leona: Heal/CV or Heal/Flash

So talking about Heal vs. CV on supports is kind of silly. Most of them should take both. The exceptions are champs that need Flashnitiation for combo CC.

[Mc. Lovin']

I have to ask since it's been burned into my brain that only newlords use heal, why the sudden surge in popularity?

EDIT:
Obviously it's been buffed but does that really mean enough to have it on almost every support?

[Daverin]

It's to be expected. We assume that he's included in this patch so that he can be released during the dead business week, when Riot ordinarily wouldn't be working. By doing a bit of extra work early, they can release someone for the players during that week without needing as many workers as they ordinarily would. At least, that's my interpretation. It's not a leak if they just give the information freely.

Tamat has admitted that people weren't supposed to find that. Granted, I am wondering how they figured it would stay hidden, but... yeah. They apparently had no designs for us to actually notice it yet. Other than that, though, I like your explanation, it makes sense.

[Math_Mage]

I have to ask since it's been burned into my brain that only newlords use heal, why the sudden surge in popularity?

EDIT:
Obviously it's been buffed but does that really mean enough to have it on almost every support?

-It's AOE without the mastery point now; it wasn't before
-It's got more base heal
-It gets even stronger with the mastery point

Basically, it's now unbalanced in the other direction. Which isn't surprising given it's an AOE burst heal with a monster CD; I would be REALLY surprised if it became balanced.

[tyckspoon]

Trying to make the old sustain game work another way, I think; most of the sustainers had their heals nerfed. Buff up Summoner Heal, and you can get back some of that, especially when the most important alternatives (Flash, CV) are getting nerfed. Alternately, you can turn Blitz/Leona/Janna/Zilean into pseudo-sustain supports as well as the powerful alternate support options they provide.

[Draken]

-It's AOE without the mastery point now; it wasn't before
-It's got more base heal
-It gets even stronger with the mastery point

Basically, it's now unbalanced in the other direction. Which isn't surprising given it's an AOE burst heal with a monster CD; I would be REALLY surprised if it became balanced.

Uh... Heal was always AOE. All the mastery did was cut its cooldown (by 30 seconds I believe).

[Mc. Lovin']

Trying to make the old sustain game work another way, I think; most of the sustainers had their heals nerfed. Buff up Summoner Heal, and you can get back some of that, especially when the most important alternatives (Flash, CV) are getting nerfed. Alternately, you can turn Blitz/Leona/Janna/Zilean into pseudo-sustain supports as well as the powerful alternate support options they provide.

Interesting stuff. I've been trying to learn Leona and Blitz bot lane with friends. I may start getting heal on them from now on.

On a slightly related note, I seem to recall there was a blitzcrank fanatic in this thread? I wonder if you could give me some advice on how to tank blitz, as of right now I max the hook, and then focuss on gold per second items / wards, inching my way towards a cooldown build (since I mainly play the blitz & shaco fishing game with my friend). I do not think this build is optimal

[Math_Mage]

Uh... Heal was always AOE. All the mastery did was cut its cooldown (by 30 seconds I believe).

Oh, whoops.


Interesting stuff. I've been trying to learn Leona and Blitz bot lane with friends. I may start getting heal on them from now on.

On a slightly related note, I seem to recall there was a blitzcrank fanatic in this thread? I wonder if you could give me some advice on how to tank blitz, as of right now I max the hook, and then focuss on gold per second items / wards, inching my way towards a cooldown build (since I mainly play the blitz & shaco fishing game with my friend). I do not think this build is optimal

Take hook first, max hook last. Some people will argue to max W for perma-ghost, others to max E for infi-Fisting.

Dogmantra's the resident Blitznatic, though. You'll have to ask him for more detailed advice. Perhaps in SUPER INFORMATIVE COMIC FORM (hint hint).

[Mirrinus]

After some horrible losses due to feeders and leavers, I unwind by listening to this. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYR8Cbjr1To)

Now I need some program to replace people whining with that voice. It'd make the game at least a little bit more enjoyable.

[Zeful]

Okay, remember my "I'm going to stop playing lol because I'm bad in comparison to you guys" post last thread?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e379/Zeful/ProofofSkill.png
I decide to play again on my own for the hell of it, and against people of my Elo, I'm MVP.

I was mid against Heimer and out Last hit him and made him swap for Ashe and Warwick.

Give me a solid year of play and I might be not a burden playing with the best of you guys.

[Qwertystop]

Nice. I notice we have near-identical W/L ratios (I have 145/158, you have 339/372, both round to .48).

Are you on the US servers? If so, want to play a game sometime?

I'm QWERTYSTOP on LoL. Don't like voicechat much, I can't keep track of whose voice is which person.
ION, great Singed game!
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1238/41255554.png

[Silverraptor]

And new character is available. LoL however is not.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Malphite is boss once again.

I'm so happy. :smallbiggrin:

[Daverin]

Oh, how so? I still haven't gotten around to him yet.

Also, played Rammus last night (including jungle.) I felt sort of derpish, but apparently the team thought I was doing a pretty bangup job as the game went out, especially in initiating. Which, believe me, is really awesome to hear because initiating is something I really want to get good at. Although, again, I probably would prefer someone more... right there(?) in the initiation, like Malphite or Jarvan.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Oh, how so? I still haven't gotten around to him yet.

20/2/20.

Q applies Red Buff now. Gank like a boss, all the time. Never stop killing.

[Math_Mage]

20/2/20.

Q applies Red Buff now. Gank like a boss, all the time. Never stop killing.

Runes/masteries/route? I'm trying to diversify in the jungle.

[Silverraptor]

Malphite is boss once again.

I'm so happy. :smallbiggrin:

Djinn, you as Malphite and me as Renekton. Best Friends Forever!:smallbiggrin:

[toasty]

Runes/masteries/route? I'm trying to diversify in the jungle.

I just run my standard 0/21/9 Masteries+standard jungle runes. (my <3 oddone page).

[Daverin]

By the way, still need a reply on my question about why Jax has not been seen very much lately.

[Mtg_player_zach]

He got nerfed.

[Daverin]

Was it really that bad? The last nerfs I see in the wiki don't look "that" severe. Unless it was the whole gunblade thing. Which would make more sense, I suppose, although I wonder if people then couldn't just explore different options (he still actually finds great use of Trinity.)

[Mtg_player_zach]

It was a whole SERIES of nerfs.

[Raistlin1040]

More specifically, Jax himself isn't the problem. The Gunblade nerf, the removal of Dodge/Nimbleness masteries, and dodge runes is the problem.

[Silverraptor]

Hey guys, I found this while aimlessly wandering around the forums waiting for Ahri. Found this.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1571715

[Mtg_player_zach]

More specifically, Jax himself isn't the problem. The Gunblade nerf, the removal of Dodge/Nimbleness masteries, and dodge runes is the problem.

No, the actual Jax nerfs are still the biggest problem. Gunblade was overkill. He got a like 50 point nerf to his skills at all levels. That's HUGE.

[Mirrinus]

Fought against a Ahri player today, wasn't very impressed. I'd write this off as just the person not being experienced with her (of course).

I didn't get to lane against her, but my allies did fine enough (the other member of the enemy lane, Cho'Gath, was a really good player though). By the time teamfights came around, Ahri did almost nothing of note. Then again, most of the fights was basically just Veigar using Event Horizon, I run up and Pulverize > Headbutt anyone caught in it, team kills said player quickly, wait for cooldowns, repeat. It was a very clean win, except for the times when the enemy Cho'Gath managed to OHKO our fed Veigar (yes, he was AP Cho'Gath).

[Dienekes]

Fought against a Ahri player today, wasn't very impressed. I'd write this off as just the person not being experienced with her (of course).

I didn't get to lane against her, but my allies did fine enough (the other member of the enemy lane, Cho'Gath, was a really good player though). By the time teamfights came around, Ahri did almost nothing of note. Then again, most of the fights was basically just Veigar using Event Horizon, I run up and Pulverize > Headbutt anyone caught in it, team kills said player quickly, wait for cooldowns, repeat. It was a very clean win, except for the times when the enemy Cho'Gath managed to OHKO our fed Veigar (yes, he was AP Cho'Gath).

I've seen 4 now (one on both sides in 2 games in a row, never happened to me before with a new champ), and haven't been impressed with any of them. Personally I'd find it very amusing if a champion this hyped up sucks. Though it is too early to tell.

[Winthur]

So I decided to write an utility text based on my time researching the jungle on streams, videos and my games, including those that let me enjoy the 1600 ELO bracket (for a while; it was good while it lasted). I wasn't able to figure out the right title for it - it's not a tier list per se although it has elements of one.

In the end it only really has some say on the matter of jungler picks and counterpicks in draft mode and general playstyle.

For MANY of you this stuff is obvious and if it isn't you probably could have looked it up on writings of better players and better junglers than me (I know that my jungling is rusty nowadays and a lot of you, in this group as well, could probably make better decisions or just have better mechanics to achieve best results. My referral is generally around 1300+ jungle games so I think I have some experience and I just wanted to write something helpful.

Jungle Counterpicks

You are in champ select screen. You aren't first pick. Sion, Morgana, Kassadin, Tryndamere are all gone from the game and you have your last ban up. Your first pick falls under peer pressure and decides that if you don't ban Graves, your game has ended before it started. In consequence, your enemy has a Shaco or Lee Sin. Oh no. Oh bother.

What I'm writing isn't the be all-end all guide to jungle counterpicks. It is mostly a collection of ideas on how to neutralize the impact that their jungler pick has on the game.

Shaco
Starting with Shaco is obvious. The man has the uncanny ability to suck whenever your first pick plays him, but if the enemy has him by some misfortune then he probably just scored a pentakill on your top lane (while listening to Insane Clown Posse's Miracles. Get it? Shaco? Clown posse?) The thing is he's a pubstomper. For such a petite fragile figure he stomps pubs so hard that all the Irish run amok and all the ale spills out.
To counter him, there's only one thing really - don't let him get a single kill. As a jungler, there is a way to do it: a strong duelist.
Lee Sin comes to mind - he reveals stealth and slows people down. Your strat basically boils down to following Shaco and turning his surprise 2v1 dogpiles into unfair 2v2 fights because Shaco is dependent on boxes, his hallucination and/or red buff to duel you. You might not be able to kill him but all you have to do is outgank him. If you gank the lanes he is ganking then his laner will be weaker and unable to follow up on his engages without putting his life at risk. You have higher burst, are more mobile, less squishy and you don't fall off as hard if you don't get kills. In the jungle you have AoE damage that isn't as powerful as Udyr's or Skarner's. You are however such a good duelist that even if Shaco decides to ambush you in the jungle and you have been smart enough to not facecheck a bush where he stacked 6 boxes in a true all-in 4 pool zergling rush fashion then you are not going to die to Shaco as Lee Sin (even to me it never happens even though I actually have tanked a ton of ELO in Ranked with Lee Sin and I'm particularly bad with him)
Another fairly safe choice is Skarner. Skarner already murders all of the bruisers or melee in general. You have to do similarly to the Lee Sin example - while you aren't as mobile and your early ganks aren't quite as strong, you also probably can't ever die to a Shaco in the jungle thanks to your high health and dueling potential. Once the game goes around you turn the tables on him because he's going to be in gank mode and whenever he is you can take down his creep camps and he has no way to respond to it unless his laners come to help him for which you need map awareness.
Udyr, due to his general safety and mobility works just as well; he is more of a "kill Shaco's creeps to starve him" type but whether you go Tiger or Phoenix he still can't just flat out kill you and you can counter his ganks.
About the least efficient thing you can do is pick a champion such as Nocturne or Gangplank who have a weaker early presence and similarly to Shaco rely on not getting countered to go through his early game. If you like running Vampiric Scepter builds on either of those guys you just might be caught off-guard by a Shaco if he decides to counterjungle you; and your dueling potential isn't quite as good either so the whole "countergank him all the time" thing is more likely to backfire. For similar reason, don't pick Fiddlesticks for the love of God. (Actually, just don't pick him at all, he is kinda bad now.) With Fiddle you farm really slowly after the initial clear (and even then due to the so-called 'make everyone's time easier' jungle changes you are going to be overall slowed down and mana-starved as a Fiddlesticks) and whenever you use Drain you can't use it to defend yourself so a Shaco can use his Bend Enemy Over... I mean, Deceive to crit you to half health just like that. Plus Fiddlesticks is a terrible roamer and getting into those 2v2 situations I described before is not going to work unlessCAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAW and even then it has its flaws.
(You can also yell at your duo queue partner [you have one, right?] to play Blitzcrank and just go at his boxes that he sets up at red or at blue (mostly at red though nowadays) and beep boop screw the boxes. Go get them champ. Alistar works the same. Or Garen.)
In general, this means that the general playstyle against Shaco is:
Take a lot of wards and keep track of Shaco. Make sure that getting those kills is really hard for him. In general the early game pacing will make it so that he will dictate the ganking pace and will start falling off as soon as he starts over-relying on Wriggle procs to clear his jungle (which happens because Shaco has no AoE and without items his damage just falls off).
Last but not least: keep dragon warded at all times because Shaco can solo it as soon as he hits level 6 and has Wriggles. You don't want that to happen. In the case of Lee Sin you can actually do the same thing too so if Shaco goes top you can react to it by taking dragon. You can also easily kill or force him away if he tries to solo it without a pink ward.

Rammus
He used to be my main forever. In a few deceptively easy to spot ways he actually is a lot like Shaco - he applies a ton of pressure to lanes. Except Shaco doesn't become unkillable in the late game. He can't however solo the dragon or split push or assassinate your carry, unless taunting him and letting a 5-man-dogpile commence on him counts. Now that people started buying Wriggles on him his cleartime falls off much less than it used to.
It is ideal that you have some really stupid laners that can't ever be ganked (I hate Morgana) in your team, but your team probably still is in the summer of 2011 and thinks that Mordekaiser is a good pick, so once again you put on your carry boots.
You can counter him in a similar way to Shaco by following him around with a good roamer/duelist, but the problem is he is so much more mobile than you and it requires you to pretty much be an omnipotent being that can tell where the Rammus will roll to next on a whim. Sometimes it's not enough; if you are Lee Sin/Skarner/Udyr/Trundle however, you can just try and kill him early on or at least starve him in the jungle - his cleartime still does fall off and since he ganks often you can steal his camps while he isn't looking. It's still so much harder to do to him than to anyone simply because he is so mobile.
I mentioned Trundle even though I'm bad at him but the gist of it is that Rammus is a mitigation tank and his huge defense steroid in Defensive Ball Curl is countered so hard with your ultimate it's not even funny. You can also duel him in the jungle quite easily because you are Trundle. Cho'Gath, whether he's laning or jungling, eats right through his Defensive Ball Curl and clears camps faster as a jungler and becomes harder to gank once he gets enough health.

Skarner & Udyr
Those guys are in a similar boat because when it comes to jungling they're almost the same champion. Superfast clear times are there, both exert good control in ganks and both are good duelists. Both have a really strong late game and they are fairly adaptable to how much gold they have.
About the best thing you can do when you see a Skarner is picking Udyr and vice versa. If one or the other is banned or picked, you're the best off by picking a strong jungler with good transition that has good AoE or at least doesn't fall off too hard if he isn't farmed. Maokai is good. So is Shyvana. Nocturne can work but in case of Skarner who counters all physical DPS bruisers you probably don't want to meet him in a 1v1 -- but you can still farm your jungle fast and efficient so Skarner doesn't screw you really hard. If you are an enthusiast of the champion, Jarvan IV might work decently because he tanks really well and has a great initiation while not really being susceptible to dying in the jungle. He's a good all-around jungler. And even though I don't like him as a jungle pick, Cho'Gath is good.

Gangplank
Pirate can be a menace because he has good transition and a variety of builds that let him fill any role plus his ult is an annoying skill and you can't really do anything about him turning around a gank or just an even lane fight with the Cannon Barrage. However his kit is weak early on because even though his early ganks are really strong and can ruin your day as early as level 2 he also has pretty much no sustain and only single target damage which leaves him fairly low even in the new jungle. He doesn't really pass the speed test either. So, as usual, Lee Sin/Udyr/Skarner/Shaco work well to hunt him down in the jungle. Maokai's ultimate can sorta counter his ultimate.

Lee Sin
The #1 duelist in the game with ridiculously good early game. He shines at level 2 and can kill most jungle champions with it. He is also a ganker and his farming becomes slower later in the game which you can exploit with a jungler like Udyr or Skarner. None of those should ever die to Lee Sin in a jungle fight and they can take his creeps with ease whenever he is off ganking as he should to fulfill his role as a pick. His late game falls off while yours is so much stronger.
Other good picks are Trundle because nobody can 1v1 Trundle, Shyvana can work because of her insane farming and decent 1v1.

Amumu
I almost forgot about him because nobody really plays him anymore but the 1200~ ELO still bans him as far as I know. His jungle isn't really anything special because while he doesn't drop low much in the jungle he also has absolutely nothing to duel you if you are one of the Udyr/Skarner/Lee Sin triumvirate and pretty much any early game control jungler like Shyvana or Shaco can screw with him. His dragon control is okay but reliant on his teammates (can't solo it ever but has a HP%-based damage-over-time skill) and when it comes to his ultimate just try hard CCing him to give your teammates time to disengage from him (Lee Sin's ultimate works very well). The thing about him is the jungle is only really a medium for him to do anything in the mid-late game because he just can't lane, so his jungling only really makes him capable of clearing creeps and ganking but not much else. He also however doesn't really need items to just press R and win a teamfight so his transition is very strong and if you want to really reduce his impact in a game just make sure to go all the way with screwing with him. Nunu is particularly good at making his jungling life hell - they're similar in that they don't need items but Nunu actually has a jungle presence.


Right, so I hope it helps somebody.

[balistafreak]

For the record, I have a friend who's now 4 games in with Ahri.

Pros: can assassinate people mid/lategame. Surprising amount of AoE lets her still be teamfight relevant - a Q, a W, and her ult popping in and out is a LOT of damage.

Cons: laning phase is really, really, bad. Nothing like Brand or Anivia, where a couple of good pokes will force your lanemate to recall or risk getting comboed. No good hard CC to harass with/avoid harass with either (that taunt is a first-target skillshot, and because it can hit minions it's pretty bad in lane).

I fed Ahri my blue buff practically on cooldown, and she still didn't do that well early game - for a guy who normally wins his lane after such treatment, he could only hold it despite the enemy laner not seeing a single one.

[Astrella]

*snip*

What about Maokai?

[Winthur]

What about Maokai?

He is a champion that only needs levels to do anything because his kit makes him really strong. Him getting fed isn't really his priority because all it will do is make him tankier and his utility kit stronger. He is also really hard to duel or stop because of his superfast jungle clear. Since he doesn't need a lot of money he might camp your lane and shut it down and you will still feel the power of his CC really hard.
In the end he pays for all of that in that he can't carry. Most of the picks I've outlined are those who tend to pubstomp and make people cry. Maokai is a strong jungler with strong base damage output but if his team is full of derps then he is going to have a harder time doing stuff than, say, Lee Sin.
Oh, and since most Maokais follow TheOddOne's route that involves putting Saplings at the wraiths and killing the camp ASAP before going to blue, you might want to pop those saplings. But even then it will only delay him his level 4 by a bit.
Since Maokai isn't dependent on any buff and stealing his camps doesn't hurt him as much because of his support quality, you are best off just playing your best game, making sure lanes are warded and he can't gank as hard. He really only ganks because he has so much CC and while his base damage is decent, picking champs that are hard to burst down or control in ganks is another soft counter to his uncanny power.
You have to remember that while most of those champions can be fit on about any team and just do well with their carry and snowball potential, Maokai is a bit more specific and just doesn't fit into every team composition. Or against every team composition.

Or just pick Lumberjack Sion. :smallwink:

[Arbitrarity]

I had a good one for a first timer, though I suspect that's because we got ahead. She was top, I was jungle Riven (6 arpen red, 3 AD, ad quints, armor yellows, scaling MR blues, 21/9/0, vamp scepter (considering Dorans in future due to lack of health)), Karth mid, Soraka/Cait bot. Enemy team had GP top, Lee Sin jungle, Veigar mid, Shen/Gragas bot.

Ahri seemed to succeed at not dying in that lane, which was good enough for me. Kathus got ganked early mid and died, and bot died a bit due to overaggression. Eventually bot baited a fight where shen/gragas/lee sin jumped them, I came in, enemy got super low and got out (shen gragas lee = wtf too many dashes), so we picked up a level 5 dragon (soraka makes tanking easier)

Veigar proceeded to fail in lane and midgame badly. Ahri moved around the map a lot for ganks and so forth, didn't hit skillshots too often, but did solid sustainy burst (Foxfire is really good for this), and got free kills with E pull. I built midgame bursty Riven (Brutalizer, also picked up null magic mantle. We generally ended up ahead on dragons (3-1 or so, last one was team trying to take it without me, got stolen). I totally screwed up a Baron with 3s left on smite, but we got an ace out of it for 2, so it worked. Very long, drawn-out teamfight, I got to use my ult twice, Ahri cleaned up. Eventually we won with Soraka banana last hit.
Foxfire range is quite long, and brutal in jungle fights, ult cooldown is pretty short, and she does alarmingly well with red buff/rylais (as foxfire counts as single target spell, like Heimer rockets or Kat spin). 700 range autohit 5s (3 with blue) cooldown multitarget red application? Whargarbl
Charm combo is generally brutal, if she lands it, target is low to dead (dead if there's a team). It seems to be hard to land though, not sure why. Range is shorter than similar skillshots, projectile speed looks the same though.
She's very safe. She died only once (compare with 5 for me, 7 for kathus, 8 for Cait). Karthus was huge in this game though, he got WoTA and Abyssal, making Ahri much more effective.

Overall I'd say farms ok, strong sustained kiting, strong maximum burst, good duelist, very reliant on landing skillshots. Burst is less than most if she can't go all in, and AOE is unsafe/hard to use, though she has a lot. Craaaaazy poke, especially with blue, as all her non-ult skills are 700-975 range skillshots. Pretty safe in lane with self-sustain and long farming range. Keep in mind unlike what the spotlight says, you want to use foxfire when you've got passive, it applies full spellvamp (and thus is a strong choice for prioritizing in lane). She's actually a decent top, due to moderate sustain and how strong foxfire is for punishing melee (and low cost!). She also bursts quite hard, and nearly unavoidably, at 6, but she needs space to do it.
In teamfights though, her R is STUPID with Rylais, as you can 35% slow 3 targets for 7.5 seconds consecutively. Wat. Not sure how her ult relates to passive, need to watch Chaox more.
EDIT: Apparently Ahri beats Renekton top lane. :smallconfused:

[Delusion]

Tested Ahri on custom game against bots. It doesn't say much of course, since every champ makes it easy to stomp on custom, but I did find her kit really fun. Even her ult CD which I was skeptical about at first since its her only movement spell didn't feel too long.

[Moonshadow]

Ahri is ridiculously good fun, though I really needed to rush deathhat because her damage tapers off a bit late game without it, though I was a monster early game.

Charm is gonna make people QQ though, and I get the feeling her true damage might get nerfed slightly just because it's so spammable... but she's super fun.

[Delusion]

Played Ahri in a game with Volibear that really loves his fling, and constantly flings the enemy out of the way of my skill shots. :smallfrown:

[toasty]

EDIT: Apparently Ahri beats Renekton top lane.

Dear God. I don't want to suddenly have to beg people to ban a new champion because I don't feel like learning her counters. :smallyuk:

Oh well, GP beats everyone top. Except for Nidalee and... a few other people that no one can touch. :smalltongue:

[Morph Bark]

Played Ahri in a game with Volibear that really loves his fling, and constantly flings the enemy out of the way of my skill shots. :smallfrown:

Now you know my problem with Singed (and Blitz).

Specifically, those champions who can pull/knockback/fling enemies who aren't on Skype with me so we cannot coordinate a pull/knockback/fling + skillshot combo perfectly.

[TechnOkami]

Oh well, GP beats everyone top. Except for Nidalee and... a few other people that no one can touch. :smalltongue:

I'm half tempted to Skarner that challenge.

[Daverin]

It was a whole SERIES of nerfs.

I seem to recall him picking up steam after all but perhaps the last 2 direct nerfs. Either the League community takes that long to process such changes (which would not surprise me,) or else they weren't the only culprits. Also, he most certainly has not gotten a loss of 50 damages on all of his skills within the last 5 patches (unless you meant combined, in which case the total nerfs to Q and E are close to that.) That said, his scaling is still good, so... I can't help but feel maybe people just need to be more careful in laning with him, since his thing for a while was his obnoxious lane harass.

Also, is Morde doing any bit noticeably better with these buffs? I saw a calculation that basically suggested that shield generation, in lane, I think with just E and I'm guessing a decent chunk of minions, is pretty much between pre-nerf Morde and pre-buff Morde. I feel like if Riot would look into the health cost thing, it would probably even out and he would do well.

[Delusion]

Just me or is Ahri's Qs range longer than the blue-skillshot-thingy indicates?

[sucatraps]

Almost all of the skillshot indicators are erroneous in some way.

[TechnOkami]

Almost all of the skillshot indicators are erroneous in some way.

Mundo's Cleaver is flung farther than where it actually stops, for instance.

[Daverin]

Yeah, the only annoying part is when they are shorter than displayed. I think that a) they should be consistent and b) farther makes sense because it is a kind of "insurance" as far as very minor errors or shifts in positioning.

[toasty]

I'm half tempted to Skarner that challenge.

Lol wut? Oranges hard counters Skarner's ult. Sure if you duel him you might lose, but its really easy to not duel skarner by maxing Q and then W. Just sit back and don't engage without a gank. Harass/farm with Q, you'd be surprised at how good Gangplank is.

[Dogmantra]

By the way, still need a reply on my question about why Jax has not been seen very much lately.
Gunblade got ruined.


On a slightly related note, I seem to recall there was a blitzcrank fanatic in this thread?
Hello


I wonder if you could give me some advice on how to tank blitz, as of right now I max the hook, and then focuss on gold per second items / wards, inching my way towards a cooldown build (since I mainly play the blitz & shaco fishing game with my friend). I do not think this build is optimal
My advice for Blitztank would generally be "don't", especially not against people who aren't like 1600+ ELO. My advice would be to abuse the fact that Blitz is the only viable squishy melee carry, but if you're set on Blitztank, um. Read the rest of my post?


Take hook first, max hook last. Some people will argue to max W for perma-ghost, others to max E for infi-Fisting.
Some people are silly, because PermaPunch is so much better than constantly being able to run fast.
(good skill order is Pull > Punch > Punch > Overdrive, focus Punch, secondary focus Overdrive)


Dogmantra's the resident Blitznatic, though. You'll have to ask him for more detailed advice. Perhaps in SUPER INFORMATIVE COMIC FORM (hint hint).
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[9mm]

wanders through last 3 pages:

CV > heal, heal can make a bad team fight winnable, CV makes it never happen.

Malphite being godly: Told you so

Ahri, odd duck, she can have extremely dangerous harrass as Q has no damage fall off, however I'm betting it's like kassidan. Survive till 6, murderboat.

[Morph Bark]

Ahri, odd duck, she can have extremely dangerous harrass as Q has no damage fall off, however I'm betting it's like kassidan. Survive till 6, murderboat.

Great, now I'm picturing Kassadin motorboating Ahri in midlane.

[sucatraps]

Great, now I'm picturing Kassadin motorboating Ahri in midlane.

ಠ_ಠHey look white text

[Draken]

Just faced Ahri in midlane as Swain, went boots, she went dorans. I died at level 2 by accident.

And then... She went downhill from there. I returned with two dorans (she got a second doran herself), and beat her to the point of forcing a lane change with their caitlyn, who was bot. Forced cait away anyway because I had the level advantage.

She fell off hard late game. Just looks like her damage is not that great (then again, she got denied hard).

And last hitting as Swain remains a pain! Its the only thing I wish riot fixed about him. His godawful attack animation. :smallfurious:

[Arbitrarity]

Just faced Ahri in midlane as Swain, went boots, she went dorans. I died at level 2 by accident.

And then... She went downhill from there. I returned with two dorans (she got a second doran herself), and beat her to the point of forcing a lane change with their caitlyn, who was bot. Forced cait away anyway because I had the level advantage.

She fell off hard late game. Just looks like her damage is not that great (then again, she got denied hard).

And last hitting as Swain remains a pain! Its the only thing I wish riot fixed about him. His godawful attack animation. :smallfurious:

This actually doesn't surprise me that much. Ahri is REALLY STRONG against melee in lane, which is why you might see her top. Against casters, she can't AA poke, and her W isn't certain damage. Her Q is pretty low damage and not that hard to dodge most of the time, and her E... is bloody hard to land in lane, and is good against gankers without blinks (not in tooltip: Slows about 50%). I'd expect Swain to win pretty much any trade, on virtue of his E alone. Same with most other casters. It's a consequence of Ahri's damage being conditional.

[Lix Lorn]

I've played Ahri twice now. Once in an AI (10/2/22) and once in a normal queue with an average level higher than mine of 16/14/13. She's not as bad in laning as you'd think. Her Q can harass as long as you have decent aim, and the E means they have to be very careful about their positioning. She is perfectly killy.

[Dogmantra]

And last hitting as Swain remains a pain! Its the only thing I wish riot fixed about him. His godawful attack animation. :smallfurious:

this reminds me, am I the only one who feels like Laser Bird is one of the absolutely best designed skills in the game?

[Zemro]

So, been playing LoL for a while now on the North American servers with the summoner name of Shivic.

Been looking to do more than solo queuing, and can't believe I didn't think to check around here sooner >.>

Anyway, that should suffice for a first visit post...

[Silverraptor]

this reminds me, am I the only one who feels like Laser Bird is one of the absolutely best designed skills in the game?

Its a bird that shoots lasers, Dog. Why are you even questioning it?:smalltongue:

[Penguinizer]

this reminds me, am I the only one who feels like Laser Bird is one of the absolutely best designed skills in the game?

Of course. It is a bird that shoots lasers. What could be wrong with that.

[Dogmantra]

for serious though, it's a DoT + soft CC with actual counter play involved, and it's REALLY deep (you gotta think about where you're standing when you cast it)

so well designed

[toasty]

My advice for Blitztank would generally be "don't", especially not against people who aren't like 1600+ ELO. My advice would be to abuse the fact that Blitz is the only viable squishy melee carry, but if you're set on Blitztank, um. Read the rest of my post?

Gangplank and Tryndamere would like a word with you. And Udyr does pretty nice with just a Triforce.

[Zeful]

Almost all of the skillshot indicators are erroneous in some way.

It actually has to do with how skillshots travel across the map. Every indicator is off by about 20 units, this is because there's a grid 20 units square that is used to determine where a skill shot starts, stops, and the collision of every unit in between. This is why very long range skill shots "drift" (Ashe's Ult when fired at the other end of the map will drift more than 10% from the arrow's model, for example) somewhat.

[Dogmantra]

Gangplank and Tryndamere would like a word with you. And Udyr does pretty nice with just a Triforce.

Eh, Gangplank is a bit crap, and even when he's not, he makes a better tanky DPS. His CC remover does admittedly make him a bit better at squishing viably, but he still needs to walk up to someone and if he's hypersquish, he will die in a second. If he's just poking with Parrrley that would make him a ranged carry. Trynd, yeah, I get your point, though he still needs to jump into a team, which gives everyone ample time to CC him, if not kill him. Finally, Udyr only does well with a Triforce early. You try diving into five guys with full builds where your only defense is turtle stance and a Phage, you will prooooobably die.

[Maxymiuk]

So I finally allowed a friend to drag me into LoL last weekend. I've played with Alistar for a bit, then switched to Cho'gath, and now I'm trying out Ashe, and so far she's the only one I can actually lanefarm with decently.

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

[Delusion]

Finaly starting to get hang off Ahri I think, maybe. She is definately a very fun champion, and absolutely brutal if fed enough to afford RoA Deathcap and lichbane in 3v3.

[Tesla_pasta]

So I finally allowed a friend to drag me into LoL last weekend. I've played with Alistar for a bit, then switched to Cho'gath, and now I'm trying out Ashe, and so far she's the only one I can actually lanefarm with decently.

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

It got better for me. actually, it mostly got better when I stopped playing summoner's rift and starting doing more twisted treeline and dominion. I dunno, always depends on who you play with.

[Delusion]

So I finally allowed a friend to drag me into LoL last weekend. I've played with Alistar for a bit, then switched to Cho'gath, and now I'm trying out Ashe, and so far she's the only one I can actually lanefarm with decently.

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

The only thing that gets better in my experience is that the higher level you are, the higher change that what people rage about is relevant. Though I am only level 25.

[balistafreak]

So I finally allowed a friend to drag me into LoL last weekend. I've played with Alistar for a bit, then switched to Cho'gath, and now I'm trying out Ashe, and so far she's the only one I can actually lanefarm with decently.

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

Trolls/ragers are an extremely common sight at levels <30.

When they happen at 30, it's a cause for much amusement and finger-pointed-chuckling, except when it happens to your team, and then you just facepalm, sigh, and play another twenty games or so.

Disclaimer: I only ever play with premades of 3+ (forget solo queue), so I don't run into trolls on my own team nearly as often, and when we do, we go trollmode ourselves. See: 4 Fortify/Heal support team in response to our random 5th autolocking Evelynn and proclaiming "I'm feeding" from the very start. :smallamused:

Hilarious fact: we won.

[Dada]

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

At lot of people are cool and fun to play with, but there is also many ragers. Problem is, you have 4 teammates and only one of them need to explode to make the game unpleasant. I don't think much changes with level, unfortunately. My best advice is: find cool people to play with, don't let the ragers get to you, and the ignore/mute feature is your friend. Once a player or team devolves into flaming, ignoring can make for a much more pleasant experience.

[Baxter190]

Ok, got Ahri last night. After five que dodges from various people, I finally got to play her. Still playing her, starting to get the hang of her. I think either boots + 3 pots start or book + pot start is the best start for her. Build a quick revolver for the spell vamp, and then go RoA. A neat thing is on the return of her Q, you can move to hit new targets. I think you can do this with Lux, but I don't know as I don't have her. Mobility is key with her, so only rush in after CC is blown. Veigar shuts down her ulti with a well placed wall, especially if he can pin her inside of it.

[Neftren]

What is wrong with the lolstatistics.com site, and what is "Riot5.com" ... :smallconfused:

[ex cathedra]

lolstatistics has apparently been turned into/integrated into Riot5, which is a hybrid of the old lolstatistics and some sort of league of legends-social-networking equivalent, I think. It's certainly odd.

[EifieFlare]

Just bought Ahri today, and was wondering what sort of build would be good for her. I tried her in a Custom game to get used to her kit, and I'm not sure if I should've just rushed a Deathcap. I went with the RoA in Custom, and getting last hits annoyed me. Her Orb always left minions with a sliver of health, making me either use up Foxfire to get them or miss out on CS. Granted, I should probably become less reliant on using skills for CS, but I'd imagine that pushing a lane so you can run off and gank would be a good tactic with her.

Plus, if she's supposed to be assassin-y, wouldn't more early damage to burst enemies down faster be good anyway? The extra survivability was sorta nice, but I feel like Rylai's would do about the same, and wouldn't rely as much on having a good early game to get the RoA charged effectively. I didn't have mana problems at all, so it's not a big sacrifice for me. Of course, it's only a Custom game, so my experiences might not be completely accurate.

[Delusion]

One build I had most success with was Dorans ring start, then go for boots and RoA, then Death cap and finaly lichbane. iF the game would have continued past that point I would have picked up Rylais. Rylais plus Foxfire for running away is amazing, since foxfire can be cast on the move.

[Neftren]

lolstatistics has apparently been turned into/integrated into Riot5, which is a hybrid of the old lolstatistics and some sort of league of legends-social-networking equivalent, I think. It's certainly odd.

That's incredibly disappointing. I hate registering accounts at places.




As for Ahri builds... (take two!)

Banshee's Veil, Rylai's Crystal Scepter, Will of the Ancients, Rabadon's Deathcap, Deathfire Grasp, and Boots of Choice.
Gunblade, Rageblade, Lichbane, Nashor's Tooth, Rylai's Crystal Scepter, Boots of Choice

[tyckspoon]

Her Orb always left minions with a sliver of health, making me either use up Foxfire to get them or miss out on CS. Granted, I should probably become less reliant on using skills for CS,


Yes. In laning phase, you almost never want to use skills on minions purely for the purpose of CSing if you can help it (exceptions are when your skills give you some kind of benefit for last-hitting with them- Annie and Veigar's Q, Malzahar's Malefic Visions with mana-regain and ability to bounce through an entire minion wave and hopefully onto the enemy for some free harass- or, IMO, if you're getting completely dominated in lane and have to use skills to claim minions before the tower eats them all/ the enemy throws another couple hundred points of harass on you.)

[Math_Mage]

What is wrong with the lolstatistics.com site, and what is "Riot5.com" ... :smallconfused:

This happened before a week or two back, and it went back to normal after a day or so. So we'll see if it lasts this time.

One hopes Riot5 has the ability to do lolbase-style logfile storage as well as lolstatistics-style recent matches coverage.

[efdf]

So I finally allowed a friend to drag me into LoL last weekend. I've played with Alistar for a bit, then switched to Cho'gath, and now I'm trying out Ashe, and so far she's the only one I can actually lanefarm with decently.

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

I feel like as you level up the amount of ragers increase but there's also a lot more people trying to shut down the ragers

[Qwertystop]

I feel like as you level up the amount of ragers increase but there's also a lot more people trying to shut down the ragers

Unfortunately, not often in the same game.

[Qwertystop]

What.

I just posted this in the champ select chat:

QWERTYSTOP: all LOCK!
QWERTYSTOP: make it clear that they're holding us up
QWERTYSTOP: and we know what we're doing
QWERTYSTOP: lock IN!
QWERTYSTOP: lol
QWERTYSTOP: psychological warfare
QWERTYSTOP: in champ select

[toasty]

Unfortunately, not often in the same game.

Meh, there are very few games that people really rage. Most of the time a team starts to lose and people blame a few people, maybe for a good reason, maybe not.

Sometimes though, you get an idiot who yells at people for no good reason. I reported someone yesterday when he told GP he was "gay" and should do various "gay sexual acts" if you know what I mean. So stupid. :smalltongue:

Luckily, I have a thick skin, mostly, and you can ignore people easily enough.

[Silverraptor]

So, where did they hide the status signatures on the lolstatistics site?

[Daverin]

I still don't understand how you have yours considering Roland technically said that he thought they were against the rules... :smallconfused:

Unless something changed and its okay to use them?

[ex cathedra]

I really doubt that, even if it is against the rules, that it's considered worth enforcing. There's obviously nothing wrong with the lolstatistics signatures per se.

[tribble]

Trynd, yeah, I get your point, though he still needs to jump into a team, which gives everyone ample time to CC him, if not kill him.

um... Am I missing something?:smalltongue:


Whoever was asking, yeah, morde is still a pale, malformed shadow of his former laning glory. Really, all he has going for him is his kit making him good at farming and uberpushing, and his ability to steal the enemy's AD carry. You definitely gotta be ahead of the other team in gold to be useful as morde.
Getting a ghost of the one dude who was carrying the other team on his back is sometimes enough, though. I swear he takes less damage when he's on the brink of death and has a ghost up.

EDIT: Oh, right, the reason I was posting in the first place. Can warwick even jungle at all anymore? I'm not asking for commentary on how l33t lanewick is, I'm just wondering if Warwick can jungle or not with the new system.

[Baxter190]

EDIT: Oh, right, the reason I was posting in the first place. Can warwick even jungle at all anymore? I'm not asking for commentary on how l33t lanewick is, I'm just wondering if Warwick can jungle or not with the new system.

He can, and he's good at it. He's just safe, and that's his big thing. Hard to duel if he's got the mana, at least in my experience. His ability to gank pre-six though, is terribad, and that's what is important now.

[Terribad]

His ability to gank pre-six though, is terribad

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HF2I7XFUoLc/SK-cZvUjsyI/AAAAAAAAAOo/lzUgkyqYjuM/s320/lurch2.jpg

[Dienekes]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HF2I7XFUoLc/SK-cZvUjsyI/AAAAAAAAAOo/lzUgkyqYjuM/s320/lurch2.jpg

And now I want a Butler Sion skin

[Silverraptor]

I still don't understand how you have yours considering Roland technically said that he thought they were against the rules... :smallconfused:

Unless something changed and its okay to use them?


I really doubt that, even if it is against the rules, that it's considered worth enforcing. There's obviously nothing wrong with the lolstatistics signatures per se.

I talked to Roland and he said to talk to Rawhide. So I sent him a pm and he never responded. Considering how both of them have seen the signature and haven't said anything for me to get rid of it, I presume its okay, since its a manual update and only changes when I tell it to, similar to manually changing a signature.

Anyways, back on track to my original question, where are they hiding the signatures?

[Astrella]

Luckily, I have a thick skin, mostly, and you can ignore people easily enough.

I think it's less a thick skin and more complete obliviousness on your part, hun. :smalltongue:

Love you, Toasty!

[ex cathedra]

Anyways, back on track to my original question, where are they hiding the signatures?

Here, under the "signatures" tab. (http://www.riot5.com/main/index/stats/na/19066784)

[Silverraptor]

Here, under the "signatures" tab. (http://www.riot5.com/main/index/stats/na/19066784)

Thank you.

[Mc. Lovin']

What.

I just posted this in the champ select chat:

Haha that's amazing. I'll try that with my team next time

[Dogmantra]

um... Am I missing something?:smalltongue:
If you can't kill him, he's at least in range of all your CC.



Whoever was asking, yeah, morde is still a pale, malformed shadow of his former laning glory.
Bah, I still claim Morde is a good laner if only because of that ridiculous harrass.


EDIT: Oh, right, the reason I was posting in the first place. Can warwick even jungle at all anymore? I'm not asking for commentary on how l33t lanewick is, I'm just wondering if Warwick can jungle or not with the new system.
Yeah, he can jungle, there's very very little reason to given how strong he is as a laner, but he can just farm minions all day 'til 6. Not amazing though, and you're much better off popping Shaco or Lee Sin in the jungle.

[Shadowleaf]

EDIT: Oh, right, the reason I was posting in the first place. Can warwick even jungle at all anymore? I'm not asking for commentary on how l33t lanewick is, I'm just wondering if Warwick can jungle or not with the new system.He's not viable in higher tiers of play anymore. His jungling is simply too slow compared to other champions (Udyr, etc.), and his pre-6 ganks are worthless. Post-6 isn't even that great, as more and more players get Cleanse, and more and more champions have a built-in Cleanse effect. I play Brand with Flash + Cleanse, and I can't remember the last time I died to a WW jungle gank.


Bah, I still claim Morde is a good laner if only because of that ridiculous harrass.
Morde is a terrible laner. His harrass isn't good at all. Well, okay, maybe if you send someone like Singed against him.

[Dogmantra]

Post-6 isn't even that great, as more and more players get Cleanse,
You can't cleanse out of Infinite Duress. That's the whole point of suppression.



Morde is a terrible laner. His harrass isn't good at all. Well, okay, maybe if you send someone like Singed against him.
Okay, his coney thing is surprisingly long range, very repeatable, I think it has decent base damage? Hard to dodge, and then it also protects from trading with the shield. Yes it's shorter range than a lot of other harrass, but Morde is a solo top guy most often, where your opponent will be melee 75% of the time. Why do you think it's bad?

EDIT: also no mana costs, this makes him a better laner than like 80% of the other champions by default

[Vauron]

You can't cleanse out of Infinite Duress. That's the whole point of suppression.



Okay, his coney thing is surprisingly long range, very repeatable, I think it has decent base damage? Hard to dodge, and then it also protects from trading with the shield. Yes it's shorter range than a lot of other harrass, but Morde is a solo top guy most often, where your opponent will be melee 75% of the time. Why do you think it's bad?

EDIT: also no mana costs, this makes him a better laner than like 80% of the other champions by default

The problem is that, ever since minion shield generation was removed gutted, Siphon can not generate enough shield to protect you from a single autoattack. Combine that with the ever rising hp costs of his skills, and the enemy champion wont even need to throw more than a single autoattack or skill at you every now and then to push you out of lane.

[Shadowleaf]

You can't cleanse out of Infinite Duress. That's the whole point of suppression.



Okay, his coney thing is surprisingly long range, very repeatable, I think it has decent base damage? Hard to dodge, and then it also protects from trading with the shield. Yes it's shorter range than a lot of other harrass, but Morde is a solo top guy most often, where your opponent will be melee 75% of the time. Why do you think it's bad?

EDIT: also no mana costs, this makes him a better laner than like 80% of the other champions by defaultGotta stop posting before morning coffee. Remove Scurvy, QSS, Olaf's Ult and so forth still remove it though.

I don't think I've ever lost a lane to a Mordekaiser unless their jungler was camping the lane. The base damage isn't that great, it's easily dodge-able, and most champions with a ranged harrass outrange him or simply deal more damage. Mana costs don't tend to be a problem for me when I'm laning against Morde, as he runs out of HP before I run out of mana.

[Dogmantra]

I disagree. Shield generation is not good, but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be, you just need to think about positioning and start with boots and you can get a lot of mileage out of it. A bit of Spellvamp helps offset the health costs (and Spellvamp's been getting more readily available recently) of his skills, and when you ignore the shield part, they're still actually quite good. Siphon of Destruction is actually a bitchin' skill (albeit an incredibly boring one).

Also, even if one autoattack could force him out of lane, they'll need to get close to him, and that's guaranteed damage.

I'm not saying Mordekaiser is another Kennen or Galio, but I'm saying he's not a Poppy, like most people make him out to be.

[Cheesegear]

Christmas Maokai makes you play better. True story.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/Cheesegear/ChristmasMao.jpg

[Qwertystop]

Haha that's amazing. I'll try that with my team next time
Thanks!
I have no idea what I was thinking when I typed that, it just came out of nowhere.

[Morph Bark]

Let it be known: I hate botting against Shaco+Blitz. .___.

I am so going to try it out myself though.

[Moonshadow]

I find Shaco very anti-fun because I just have no idea how to counter him. He's just so obnoxious.

Hao I counter Shaco and make him cry delishus tears?

[Shadowleaf]

I find Shaco very anti-fun because I just have no idea how to counter him. He's just so obnoxious.

Hao I counter Shaco and make him cry delishus tears?Depends on whether it's on a lane or in the jungle. on lane, you should just walk over him and kill him as he is insanely squishy. Yes, he has an escape, but you should still be able to outzone him.

In jungle, if you have a form of hp regen and/or a shield you can mess with his boxes when he's doing buffs. His ganks aren't *that* threatening unless he's doublebuffed. Invading and stealing his buffs work very well, but you need proper team coordination to do it safely.

[lord_khaine]

How much would it hurt his jungling if you manage to deny him blue?

[Volatar]

So I finally allowed a friend to drag me into LoL last weekend. I've played with Alistar for a bit, then switched to Cho'gath, and now I'm trying out Ashe, and so far she's the only one I can actually lanefarm with decently.

Though it seems like every other game I'm teamed with some ragemonkey calling everyone noobs and exploding at me over the slightest mistake. Does the community ever get better, or should I expect more of the same as I get closer to 30?

Jump on Mumble and play with all the GitP guys and gals. All your problems are solved :smallsmile:

[Adumbration]

It just occurred to me that solo top crit page (marks, 1 quint) Gangplank may just be a tad on the OP side. So far I've annihilated a Rumble and a Tryndamere, both supposedly Gangplank counters.

[Delusion]

My first perfect game :D

5 0 1 as Ahri in 3v3!

[9mm]

so AD nid is really becoming a thing. Any guesses how long it takes for people to realize RoA is a good Warmogs sub?

[Dallas-Dakota]

Veigar, the tiny master of Evil!

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o135/legolas-maxx/Veigar.png

I love having 1400+ AP.
And a ult that deals 1800 dmg + 80% of their DMG in a single shot.

[Daverin]

so AD nid is really becoming a thing. Any guesses how long it takes for people to realize RoA is a good Warmogs sub?

That thought is just scary. Although I wonder... are there any other champions who could find use in that? RoA is actually a rather large chunk of health, and Cata is Cata is Cata. I imagine there are a few champs who could learn to appreciate the AP.

[Douglas]

Veigar, the tiny master of Evil!

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o135/legolas-maxx/Veigar.png

I love having 1400+ AP.
And a ult that deals 1800 dmg + 80% of their DMG in a single shot.
I played a 1v5 custom against bots as Veigar recently, and dragged it out a bit to farm AP. By the end, I could literally one-shot Sivir Bot with my ult. The other four at least needed multiple abilities, but I don't think anyone could survive the full combo - ult, stun, dark matter, baleful strike, lich bane attack.

Lich Bane is scary on a farmed veigar.

[toasty]

90.9% winrate with Taric. I keep ma carry alive, even when they're useless.

[Morph Bark]

I'm in love with Sona now. Totes gonna buy her.

(That sounds so dirty.)

[sucatraps]

It just occurred to me that solo top crit page (marks, 1 quint) Gangplank may just be a tad on the OP side. So far I've annihilated a Rumble and a Tryndamere, both supposedly Gangplank counters.

I've always been under the impression that Rumble does fairly poorly against GP. Trynd can easily go either way, but with Parrrrrrrrrley and the passive, GP should poke hard enough that Trynd has to worry about his health pool, and you should be able to even do well in stand up fights (again, dat passive).

If you can push out a skilled Udyr who knows how to use his shield, then I'll believe that GP is too strong.

[LordShotGun]

so AD nid is really becoming a thing.

WHY!!! I ask WHY!!!, AP nidalee does everything better (except take damage and even then the RoA+her heal helps immensely), spears for poke, traps for semi-wards, heals + attack speed increace, couger for farming as well as chasing fleeing opponents or running from a gank/bad teamfight.

With metagolem nidalee all she has is her auto attack and cougers Q for damage and all she can do is killsteal and be unfriggin killable.

[Dogmantra]

WHY!!! I ask WHY!!!, AP nidalee does everything better (except take damage and even then the RoA+her heal helps immensely), spears for poke, traps for semi-wards, heals + attack speed increace, couger for farming as well as chasing fleeing opponents or running from a gank/bad teamfight.

With metagolem nidalee all she has is her auto attack and cougers Q for damage and all she can do is killsteal and be unfriggin killable.

Actually, AD carry Nidalee is also amazing. She can jungle pretty well too. Man, good times.

[Daverin]

I think it is, quite simply, the take damage part. Even with RoA, AP builds almost never hybridize damage and defense like AD builds do (basically, the only hybrid options for mitigation are Abyssal and Hourglass, and both need specific scenarios to make full use of. Your most likely source of safety is going to be RoA and Rylais, if you build for it, and not every AP even does that.) Like, seriously, the big reason I am hearing for AD Nid is just laughing at the thought of dying in lane and after.

[9mm]

WHY!!! I ask WHY!!!, AP nidalee does everything better (except take damage and even then the RoA+her heal helps immensely), spears for poke, traps for semi-wards, heals + attack speed increace, couger for farming as well as chasing fleeing opponents or running from a gank/bad teamfight.

With metagolem nidalee all she has is her auto attack and cougers Q for damage and all she can do is killsteal and be unfriggin killable.

your nid, with wriggles... how exactly do you get forced out of lane?

that's reason 1, the second part is, well, she's was originality supposed to be an AD carry. Dat AS buff means you can play like a trist, poke with spears and AAs, using the brush to dart in and out, force them out of lane, kill the tower.

I personally like AP better, but frankly it's down right silly how easy it is to just do BOTH.

[toasty]

WHY!!! I ask WHY!!!, AP nidalee does everything better (except take damage and even then the RoA+her heal helps immensely), spears for poke, traps for semi-wards, heals + attack speed increace, couger for farming as well as chasing fleeing opponents or running from a gank/bad teamfight.

With metagolem nidalee all she has is her auto attack and cougers Q for damage and all she can do is killsteal and be unfriggin killable.

No. AD Nidalee wins her lane against pretty much every matchup and sidepushes just as strong. She acts as a tankydps in teamfights instead of a poke mage/heal bot. That's it. She's really, really strong and I should learn her.

edit: Yeah, I can't think of a hero that specifically counters AD nidalee who gets a Wriggles.

[PersonMan]

Is it just me, or does Cho counter Sion solo?

My experience:

If he chooses his shield first, you can say 'no' with Rupture if he wants to close and use it on you. If he has his stun you can say 'no' with Rupture or tank it and say 'suck on this' with Rupture, then heal with your passive.

You can tank and heal(via passive) his bush stun-shield-smack harass and, if you hit 6 and he's at mid-health, do a (because who expects ~500 damage at level 6 to come in a single burst?) Rupture/Feast combo to get a kill. I haven't been able to do this, because by the time I hit 6 he's always against his tower.

Problems:

-Whenever I lane against him I push him back pretty fast, and then I can't farm much but I don't want to stop being aggressive and let him farm. Then, of course, I don't want to go b and let him farm or keep attacking and get ganked.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and a 3v3 in which I sort of carried. Solo vs Sion, bot fed a bit early, but then I started killing them (I loved just eating Trynd to death from half health).

Fed Cho ganks are so fun. Especially if they have a squishy. Rupture -> Feast -> Yay.

I think I'll make him my main AP guy.

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/Scarge/ChoCarry.png

[9mm]

No. AD Nidalee wins her lane against pretty much every matchup and sidepushes just as strong. She acts as a tankydps in teamfights instead of a poke mage/heal bot. That's it. She's really, really strong and I should learn her.

edit: Yeah, I can't think of a hero that specifically counters AD nidalee who gets a Wriggles.

Rumble, probably the hardest nid counter available.

[Maeglin_Dubh]

AD Nidalee is currently one of my favorite champs, and a nice change from playing squishy AD carries with team-mates who don't know how to peel all the latest tankydpsgapclosers off me.

I don't ever get Warmogs, though. I just don't like it much. Might try Cata->RoA as a replacement, since I do get AP from Triforce as well, and more doesn't hurt.

I do get Wriggles/boots first, wondering what is recommended as far as the order of acquiring the various parts of Triforce. I tend to get Sheen if I'm comfortable, Mallet if I'm ganking lots.


I just really love the ability to go catform and start brawling, then go human for utility. I also kinda wish there was a Maximal skin for Nidalee.

[PersonMan]

I mentioned making Cho my main last post.

Pretty sure I will now, at least on the TT:

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/Scarge/ChoCarry2.png
Early on I got on a roll really quickly(3rd kill was Rupture+Feast under their turret), but they kept me from getting hgher than 4/0/4 until their lategame defense.

My last kill I got be pretending to run when Gragas died and getting Trist. Pantheon was my only problem; the other two were absurdly squishy.

Cho/Gragas matchup could work pretty well, Rupture holds them in place for Gragas' barrels.

[Eldariel]

Veigar, the tiny master of Evil!

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o135/legolas-maxx/Veigar.png

I love having 1400+ AP.
And a ult that deals 1800 dmg + 80% of their DMG in a single shot.

I was wondering why you wouldn't build Voidstaff. Then I looked at their team and chuckled a bit.

[Zen Master]

So - I bought Gangplank, and boy is he fun. Once he has phage, no one gets away. Ha! Well, no one ever gets away, but with phage even less so.

But, having a truckload of IP, I must buy more champions. Like ... maybe Maokai? Or one of the new OP ones, Fizz and Ahri?! Or someone with ward/trap/things, like Caitlin or Teemo?

Not Shaco - have him already, and do ever so impressively poorly with him.

Also, my main thrust with GP is to build damage/attack speed/lifesteal. Is that kinda-sorta right, or?

EDIT: Oh btw - someone said "Wow - 700hp Gangplank!" I'm unsure why - is that too much, not enough, or just right?!

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Tip to enemy teams: You may win top. You may win mid. You may out-jungle us. You may not have lost bot. You may have a fed Wukong, and a fed Morgana, and a fed Tryndamere. You may take our towers.

But never, never let me farm as Graves. I will end up 100+ farm above your highest. I will end up an equal level to, and able to 1v1, your fed Wukong or your fed Tryndamere. I will end the game 19/3/13, and as long as a single minion is in front of me you will not stop me pushing your base.

In short, it will end poorly.

:smallcool:

<3 Graves so much. :smallbiggrin:

[Dragonus45]

So djinn, are 9/10 of your games you rocking someones face after losing half your lanes and towers.

[Eldariel]

EDIT: Oh btw - someone said "Wow - 700hp Gangplank!" I'm unsure why - is that too much, not enough, or just right?!

No such thing as too much HP. That said, assuming this was L1 he was probably still surprised; that's quite a bit and generally means you started with an HP item.

Also, generally you'll want to build GP as Tanky DPS; Atmallet and Atmogs are both pretty popular on him and of course, Trinity Force is still good. Wriggle's is obviously a must in the jungle and still good on the lane and from there, it's the usual. Though DPSy GP is also viable; IE is really good on him since Parrrley can crit, for instance.

And I've seen some top players use CDR Boots over Mercs since he has Remove Scurvy and it's hard to itemize CDR on him otherwise (I personally really like Youmuu's on him though obviously it's hard to fit into default builds).

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

So djinn, are 9/10 of your games you rocking someones face after losing half your lanes and towers.

No, although I tend not to surrender precisely because I often can do just that. :smallbiggrin:

Or, rather, with a good team behind me I can do that. Credit where credit is due...without a damn good team, I don't live long enough to bring suitable amounts of pain.

They're just the ones I post here, since they feel extra awesome. :smallcool:

[Pie Guy]

So djinn, are 9/10 of your games you rocking someones face after losing half your lanes and towers.

Yeah Djinn, admit it! You're sabotaging the rest of the game for your personal glory!

:smalltongue:
And I know that's not what you meant Dragonus.

[Mc. Lovin']

Thanks!
I have no idea what I was thinking when I typed that, it just came out of nowhere.

Although saying that, when I play draft and see someone instalocking I think "Great! They aren't communicating with their team about who they're being", so maybe you should all take your time about it?

Some thorough research will have to be conducted into the matter

[9mm]

No, although I tend not to surrender precisely because I often can do just that. :smallbiggrin:

Or, rather, with a good team behind me I can do that. Credit where credit is due...without a damn good team, I don't live long enough to bring suitable amounts of pain.

They're just the ones I post here, since they feel extra awesome. :smallcool:

it's also not as cool as saying, "oi enemy team, you realize your lucky to have over 1.0 attackspeed right?"

<3 Malphite.

[lord_khaine]

Ohh, i see that Poppy is free to play, does anyone have any advice on how to play her?

And is she still a viable pick?

[ex cathedra]

Poppy is a tanky-dps assassin anti-tankydps/carry. Or something. She's pretty silly when she gets farmed, but she is easily among the worst laners in the game. That's really what holds her back. She needs to lane against a passive lane with a babysitting support (Soraka) and then she has to farm really well unless you luck out and get super fed.

She's not easy and she's very situational. That's pretty much it.

[Joran]

Poppy is a tanky-dps assassin anti-tankydps/carry. Or something. She's pretty silly when she gets farmed, but she is easily among the worst laners in the game. That's really what holds her back. She needs to lane against a passive lane with a babysitting support (Soraka) and then she has to farm really well unless you luck out and get super fed.

She's not easy and she's very situational. That's pretty much it.

Or play Dominion, where she's a little terror. Lots of little walls to slam people into, lots of tanky DPS to whack.

[Zen Master]

No such thing as too much HP. That said, assuming this was L1 he was probably still surprised; that's quite a bit and generally means you started with an HP item.

'Twas a Dorans Blade, only. Seems to work fairly well for laning.


Also, generally you'll want to build GP as Tanky DPS; Atmallet and Atmogs are both pretty popular on him and of course, Trinity Force is still good. Wriggle's is obviously a must in the jungle and still good on the lane and from there, it's the usual. Though DPSy GP is also viable; IE is really good on him since Parrrley can crit, for instance.

And I've seen some top players use CDR Boots over Mercs since he has Remove Scurvy and it's hard to itemize CDR on him otherwise (I personally really like Youmuu's on him though obviously it's hard to fit into default builds).

I tend to not go for the full Triforce - for reasons vague and undefined, I'm more likely to wind up with Frozen Mallet and Zeal, and various others like Wriggle's and at least a negatron cloak.

I should consider Atmogs, but it feels like a lot of waiting around with no real benefit, until suddenly BANG! You have all the health and damage in the world. Guess I'm too impatient.

[Eldariel]

'I tend to not go for the full Triforce - for reasons vague and undefined, I'm more likely to wind up with Frozen Mallet and Zeal, and various others like Wriggle's and at least a negatron cloak.

I should consider Atmogs, but it feels like a lot of waiting around with no real benefit, until suddenly BANG! You have all the health and damage in the world. Guess I'm too impatient.

Atmogs is often doable for sololane GP. Harder for jungle GP to get in due fashion and that generally means you should build Atma's first anyways.

Anyways, full Metagolem is fine on him (with few variants as desired). DPSy builds generally use IE, Atma's, Trinity Force, Last Whisper and company to pump up critical and damage for especially Parrley.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

'Twas a Dorans Blade, only. Seems to work fairly well for laning.

Gangplank does have the highest base starting health in the game, clocking in at 576. It's a bit of a surprise from someone who doesn't expect it.

[Mirrinus]

Veigar, the tiny master of Evil!

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o135/legolas-maxx/Veigar.png

I love having 1400+ AP.
And a ult that deals 1800 dmg + 80% of their DMG in a single shot.

This calls for a song! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuT84VYvUY)

[Daverin]

Also, my main thrust with GP is to build damage/attack speed/lifesteal. Is that kinda-sorta right, or?

GP builds as he pleases! :smalltongue:

Seriously, that guy has such a great kit, diverse. You know something is wrong when somebody tells you "I'm going AP Gangplank," and when you look at it, you realize that once you get Lichbane it has some merit. That said, the thing I am trying on a suggestion is basically tanky dps GP with Atmogs and, instead of Trinity, Infinity Edge because dear god it is not okay for how much one item can make his Q hit for when you crit.

Also, the new champion info screens. Two thoughts

1) Wait, what? When?

2) Awesomesauce. Especially the ability videos.

[lord_khaine]

How about Volibear, he has been out for a while now, how viable is he as jungler?

[Eldariel]

GP builds as he pleases! :smalltongue:

Seriously, that guy has such a great kit, diverse. You know something is wrong when somebody tells you "I'm going AP Gangplank," and when you look at it, you realize that once you get Lichbane it has some merit. That said, the thing I am trying on a suggestion is basically tanky dps GP with Atmogs and, instead of Trinity, Infinity Edge because dear god it is not okay for how much one item can make his Q hit for when you crit.

Trinity is more consistent as it triggers Sheen for Q too giving you a steadier, and early on higher, damage output on it. Of course, as soon as you build a bit, IE damage gets higher. In the end you can just get both for hilarity. Atma's + IE + Trinity = Q hits for 1k+. And your crit chances are nutty.

DPSy GP (http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Gangplank/?items=117,61,28,60,33,16&runes=38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,63,63,63,63,63,63 ,63,63,63,98,98,98,98,98,98,98,98,98,66,66,66&masteries=1300410410010000003304011000030000000000 000000000&level=18), for instance. Still added Mogs just 'cause being tanky is never bad. Also, to get to melee range you kinda do need some tanky stats. The fact that there's no lifesteal item sucks obv. Could place one in over Last Whisper but generally people stack enough armor that Last Whisper is a true damage multiplier.

Qs hitting for ~1.1k (a tad more under E), relatively decent cooldown (~40% with pot) and somewhat reasonable survivability and melee. Obviously, you generally should build Wriggle's though and not think about endgame builds before the endgame comes. And which resist items you need obviously depends on game.

[Daverin]

Honestly the additional AD on IE pretty much makes up for any missing crits, and honestly? Since you prob will be getting Atmas anyways, you're chance will be strong enough I'd call it safe. The only real reason I'd miss it is because I now have practically no AS, so GP is basically relying on bursts of damage from both Q and autoattacks. Its something I'll need to explore more.

[Mirrinus]

Hey, do you wanna ranged AP carry? Try Xerath! The champion for people who need GRATUITOUS amounts of range!

With awesome skins like BATTLECAST! Battle caster, it’s like adding Xerath to a BATTLE CRUISER! Sound the alarm, you’re gonna be UNCOMFORTABLY POWERFUL!

What’s that? You want AP runes? Well how about RUNEBORN? Shoots out lightning, REAL LIGHTNING!

Harass! (aaahhhhhh!) You’ll be good at it! From outside enemy sight range! ARCANOPULSE! These aren’t Ezreal skillshots, these are Xerath skillshots! XEROSHOTS!

Damage, range, damage, range, Mage Chains, Arcanopulse, Arcane Barrage, more damage than the tank has room for! You’ll be so damaging, Force of Nature will be like, “Sloooooowwww dooowwwwnn!” And you’ll be like, “35% MAGIC PEN!” and shoot them in the face with your ARCANOPULSE!

You’ll have so much power, power (aaaahhhhh!) from Locus of Power! Power laning, power farming, power harassing, power nuking, power ganking, power ksing, power kills! You’ll have so many kills! FOUR HUNDRED KILLS!

Use Locus of Power with Xerath and you’ll have insane range! Make your spells hit ABNORMALLY FAR! You'll hit as far as KOG'MAW! People will watch you cast and think you’re KOG'MAW! You’ll shoot as far as KOG'MAW! In a fight with an actual KOG'MAW! And it'll be a tie, and you’ll get deported back to THE VOID!

Hey, go with the sure thing! Don’t gamble on your AP carry! (TIBBERS!) Try Xerath, the champion that will make you (aaahhh!) PENTAKILL! (aaahhh!)

(Yes, I've been playing with Xerath lately.)

(Actual Xerath joke.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b175Wv2fnRk)

[Silverraptor]

Tip to enemy teams: You may win top. You may win mid. You may out-jungle us. You may not have lost bot. You may have a fed Wukong, and a fed Morgana, and a fed Tryndamere. You may take our towers.

But never, never let me farm as Graves. I will end up 100+ farm above your highest. I will end up an equal level to, and able to 1v1, your fed Wukong or your fed Tryndamere. I will end the game 19/3/13, and as long as a single minion is in front of me you will not stop me pushing your base.

In short, it will end poorly.

:smallcool:

<3 Graves so much. :smallbiggrin:

I also think I redeemed myself as your support Taric.:smallcool:

[Lix Lorn]

Hey, do you wanna ranged AP carry? Try Xerath! The champion for people who need GRATUITOUS amounts of range!

With awesome skins like BATTLECAST! Battle caster, it’s like adding Xerath to a BATTLE CRUISER! Sound the alarm, you’re gonna be UNCOMFORTABLY POWERFUL!

What’s that? You want AP runes? Well how about RUNEBORN? Shoots out lightning, REAL LIGHTNING!

Harass! (aaahhhhhh!) You’ll be good at it! From outside enemy sight range! ARCANOPULSE! These aren’t Ezreal skillshots, these are Xerath skillshots! XEROSHOTS!

Damage, range, damage, range, Mage Chains, Arcanopulse, Arcane Barrage, more damage than the tank has room for! You’ll be so damaging, Force of Nature tanks will be like, “Sloooooowwww dooowwwwnn!” And you’ll be like, “35% MAGIC PEN!” and shoot them in the face with your ARCANOPULSE!

You’ll have so much power, power (aaaahhhhh!) from Locus of Power! Power laning, power farming, power harassing, power nuking, power ganking, power ksing, power kills! You’ll have so many kills! FOUR HUNDRED KILLS!

Use Locus of Power with Xerath and you’ll have insane range! Make your spells hit ABNORMALLY FAR! You'll hit as far as KOG'MAW! People will watch you cast and think you’re KOG'MAW! You’ll shoot as far as KOG'MAW! In a fight with an actual KOG'MAW! And it'll be a tie, and you’ll get deported back to THE VOID!

Hey, go with the sure thing! Don’t gamble on your AP carry! (TIBBERS!) Try Xerath, the champion that will make you (aaahhh!) PENTAKILL! (aaahhh!)

(Yes, I've been playing with Xerath lately.)
I laughed. A lot. xD

[Daverin]

Hey, do you wanna ranged AP carry? Try Xerath! The champion for people who need GRATUITOUS amounts of range!

With awesome skins like BATTLECAST! Battle caster, it’s like adding Xerath to a BATTLE CRUISER! Sound the alarm, you’re gonna be UNCOMFORTABLY POWERFUL!

What’s that? You want AP runes? Well how about RUNEBORN? Shoots out lightning, REAL LIGHTNING!

Harass! (aaahhhhhh!) You’ll be good at it! From outside enemy sight range! ARCANOPULSE! These aren’t Ezreal skillshots, these are Xerath skillshots! XEROSHOTS!

Damage, range, damage, range, Mage Chains, Arcanopulse, Arcane Barrage, more damage than the tank has room for! You’ll be so damaging, Force of Nature will be like, “Sloooooowwww dooowwwwnn!” And you’ll be like, “35% MAGIC PEN!” and shoot them in the face with your ARCANOPULSE!

You’ll have so much power, power (aaaahhhhh!) from Locus of Power! Power laning, power farming, power harassing, power nuking, power ganking, power ksing, power kills! You’ll have so many kills! FOUR HUNDRED KILLS!

Use Locus of Power with Xerath and you’ll have insane range! Make your spells hit ABNORMALLY FAR! You'll hit as far as KOG'MAW! People will watch you cast and think you’re KOG'MAW! You’ll shoot as far as KOG'MAW! In a fight with an actual KOG'MAW! And it'll be a tie, and you’ll get deported back to THE VOID!

Hey, go with the sure thing! Don’t gamble on your AP carry! (TIBBERS!) Try Xerath, the champion that will make you (aaahhh!) PENTAKILL! (aaahhh!)

(Yes, I've been playing with Xerath lately.)

Thank you. Just thank you. Thank you so very much. This needed to happen, and you made it happen. Thank you. :smallbiggrin:

[Adumbration]

GP builds as he pleases! :smalltongue:

Seriously, that guy has such a great kit, diverse. You know something is wrong when somebody tells you "I'm going AP Gangplank," and when you look at it, you realize that once you get Lichbane it has some merit. That said, the thing I am trying on a suggestion is basically tanky dps GP with Atmogs and, instead of Trinity, Infinity Edge because dear god it is not okay for how much one item can make his Q hit for when you crit.


I just played a support Gangplank in a normal game. I've been losing all day in ranked, so I figured I needed something to relax. Final score was something like 3/3/14 and the build was double Infinity edges, boots of mobility, avarice blade and a philosopher stone. We won and it was fun. :smallbiggrin:

[Daverin]

Haha, yeah. Support GP sometimes just randomly becomes carryplank, it's funny. :smalltongue:

Also, I think I'm going to start Mundo'ing it up for a while. The more that I look at him, the more I feel like people underestimate just how "close" he is to viable. Anyone with a minimum 100 AD steroid and, even with ignite, the potential for up to 40% more of his hp at lvl 3 ult along with dat MS boost, a really spammable slow, and innate CC reduction isn't that far from good. I suspect he really just needs either a little more utility, or else could just use some freaking scaling on his abilities. Of course, ignite counter, but really, there are a few champions who are really good/viable who have some hard counters from easy sources. It's just... weird how good he looks on paper. I still wonder what the remake will entail.

[Neftren]

Have I mentioned how overpowered Shaco is on Dominion...
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7546/capturefmk.png

[Mutant Bunny]

Haha, yeah. Support GP sometimes just randomly becomes carryplank, it's funny. :smalltongue:

Also, I think I'm going to start Mundo'ing it up for a while. The more that I look at him, the more I feel like people underestimate just how "close" he is to viable. Anyone with a minimum 100 AD steroid and, even with ignite, the potential for up to 40% more of his hp at lvl 3 ult along with dat MS boost, a really spammable slow, and innate CC reduction isn't that far from good. I suspect he really just needs either a little more utility, or else could just use some freaking scaling on his abilities. Of course, ignite counter, but really, there are a few champions who are really good/viable who have some hard counters from easy sources. It's just... weird how good he looks on paper. I still wonder what the remake will entail.

I've been playing around in bot games with him, haven't had occasion to take him into PvP in a while. Just focus the defense tree, pack cleanse and go where you please.

If you take one rank in masochism, you have enough AD to break towers if the enemy lets you push, ranks in Burning Agony make you farm like a madman, and Infected Cleavers will either keep enemies off of you or keep them from escaping. Itemization is easy and open-ended. Stack HP, HP regen, and other HP-related stuff. :smallamused:

Frankly, I'm really hoping that the ninja tabi=no unit collision thing comes out soon. Mundo will go where he pleases even more- even right on top of minions!

[Mirrinus]

Has everyone seen this already? Because this is AMAZING.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx43dBcs73k

[Merellis]

Has everyone seen this already? Because this is AMAZING.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx43dBcs73k

... AMAZING.

DAT BUSH-REN.

[Mirrinus]

Has everyone seen this already? Because this is AMAZING.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx43dBcs73k

And episode 2 is already out. ^_^

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bryMPwNNC4

I like this video series. As a Chinese speaker (albeit poorly), I finally learned how to say important terms like "feeder", "n00b", and "spin to win" in Chinese.

[Psyborg]

That thought is just scary. Although I wonder... are there any other champions who could find use in that? RoA is actually a rather large chunk of health, and Cata is Cata is Cata. I imagine there are a few champs who could learn to appreciate the AP.

I've wondered about a slightly tanky Tristana with Atma's and Rod of Ages, given the hilarious insanity of her AP ratios.

I've also considered trolling with her by building Atma's, Manamune, and three RoAs. Given Zerkers and Rapid Fire, she should still have enough attack speed to be useful, right? :smallbiggrin:

Never done either, because I suck with Tristana.

[dgnslyr]

I was having a rather poor day after getting back from school, but eating a cup of chocolate ice cream and watching burly men beat up on a small squirrel made me feel better.

Also, it's kinda lost in the subtitles, but Jarvan's nickname is Jay Chou, as in the Taiwanese singer/actor.

Chinese humor is also pretty pun-heavy, which doesn't translate all too well into English.

I only wish my Chinese were better, so I wouldn't be so reliant on the subtitles.

[Raistlin1040]

Guardsman Bob plays The Protomen while he streams.

*adds to favorite streamers with Dyrus and HSGG*

[Eldariel]

Guardsman Bob plays The Protomen while he streams.

*adds to favorite streamers with Dyrus and HSGG*

Took you long enough. It's always been the fact: Want good music? Bob's your bob. He plays lots of old Nightwish <3

[Raistlin1040]

Well he did just troll his haters with Frank Sinatra and Dolly Parton, but then he redeemed himself with Lou Reed.

[Dienekes]

Well he did just troll his haters with Frank Sinatra and Dolly Parton, but then he redeemed himself with Lou Reed.

I prefer Sinatra to all others mentioned so far if that matters.

[Merellis]

He's playing the lion king while playing Cho'Gath, hilarious!

[Qwertystop]

My second game as GP that I can remember (might have played him once a long time ago, when I got the bundle).
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5390/61001378.png

Considering that my first was 3/9/16 and still a loss, I think much of the difference between the two games was my team (and the opponents', obviously).

Still, it's encouraging.

[Moonshadow]

...9 minute Dominion game? That's just not fun bro. Not fun at all.

[TechnOkami]

Ahrem, ladies and gentlemen.

I have recently indoctrinated mein ladyship into joining these Mumble shenanigans I've told her so much of.

If you see someone by the name of SimplyEvilGirlGenius, that's her.

Now, she's new to this whole Mumble thing and she hasn't been able to play League in a long while due to many an unfortunate circumstance, but they are all relatively gone now, and she's very interested in getting back into the game.

[Math_Mage]

I love the fact that Winter Rift is back. I love Winter Rift.

But I hate the music they play on Winter Rift. That's the music from at least a year ago, and it makes me think and play like I did a year ago (that is to say, much worse). :smallyuk:


Considering that my first was 3/9/16 and still a loss, I think much of the difference between the two games was my team (and the opponents', obviously).

Still, it's encouraging.

Just gonna say, every single time I see you post a screenie, this sentiment pops up, and it puzzles me. I have my score influenced by good or bad teams like anyone else, but more frequently I just play poorly or well. I find it more useful to think about every game based on what I did for the team than to think about what my teammates did (unless they did something I can learn from, of course).

[Moonshadow]

No matter how pro a Tree I am on Dominion, even I cannot successfully cap the bone yard while trying to fend off 4 enemy champs.


feelsvladman.jpg

[Mtg_player_zach]

The recent string of terrible losses involving veigar on my team now make sense. It is veigar free week. >.<

[tribble]

Is it me, or is the Ahri playerbase the worst I've ever seen? They always demand mid, and they're just so annoying about it. They trash talk or bash their team, depending on whether they're winning or not. It's just obnoxious.

[Moonshadow]

Is it me, or is the Ahri playerbase the worst I've ever seen? They always demand mid, and they're just so annoying about it. They trash talk or bash their team, depending on whether they're winning or not. It's just obnoxious.

Wat.

1) You can say that about any champ.
2) I'm not the best Ahri, but even I don't demand mid or insult my team, cuz there is no point.

tl;dr: Baddies gonna bad, bro. It's not limited by certain champs.

[Dienekes]

Is it me, or is the Ahri playerbase the worst I've ever seen? They always demand mid, and they're just so annoying about it. They trash talk or bash their team, depending on whether they're winning or not. It's just obnoxious.

Ehh, all I've noticed is that they always insta-lock. I've yet to see one truly be a jerk. I've also yet to see one do anything worth mentioning at all. That and I still have yet to play a game without one since she came out. It has gotten rather annoying.

[Neftren]

Ehh, all I've noticed is that they always insta-lock. I've yet to see one truly be a jerk. I've also yet to see one do anything worth mentioning at all. That and I still have yet to play a game without one since she came out. It has gotten rather annoying.

They insta-lock because she's new, mostly. Popular/new champions are generally like that during the first week.


I haven't seen any be a jerk yet. Most people seem to be still figuring out how to play her, like me.

[Mirrinus]

Today I have finally earned enough IP to purchase Rumble, and tried him out in a few bot games. I'm really loving him so far. He's a bit tricky to manage, as I always have to keep an eye on my heat gauge, but he's got decent damage output while still able to be built bulky. Plus, unlike most bulky DPS, he actually benefits from the Mag Pen runes I have (since I don't have enough IP to diversify yet).

Soon I'll be confident enough to try him out in PVP.

[Math_Mage]

I haven't seen a game without at least one fed Ahri. (The other team's, unfortunately.) Ah well. Shine on, you crazy Arrow-Fling-Pull diamond. :smallbiggrin:

I want the Dodge rune refund to hurry up. I've hit the point where I can't justify running the same rune page for junglers and AD carries anymore. It's killing my jungle clear time and sustainability.

[Moonshadow]

So I have this one friend that I really enjoy playing league with, he's in fact the guy that got me into it.

Yet, whenever we play together, I end up being *censored* terrible and costing us the game, no matter who I play, and this makes me feel terrible :smallfrown:

[Mirrinus]

I'd like to try out Dominion sometime soon. Help me out: what are the basic strategies that I should know for succeeding in Dominion? And how are item/spell builds different there, if at all?

[sucatraps]

So I have this one friend that I really enjoy playing league with, he's in fact the guy that got me into it.

Yet, whenever we play together, I end up being *censored* terrible and costing us the game, no matter who I play, and this makes me feel terrible :smallfrown:

It is very possible that you are getting pulled up in Elo to where opponents are stronger, and they are punishing you for mistakes you don't even know you're making. It happened to me the one time I ended up in a game with AlterForm and efdf.

[Math_Mage]

I think many people don't understand how having a bad support makes the AD carry feed. I watched the purple team support replay of a guy who did not understand how his failure to ward tribush at 3:00 led directly to his carry dying to jungle gank at 4:00, and how his ward at dragon instead of tribush at 8:00 led to his team dying at 11:00. And I just played a game as Ashe-Rammus lane against Ez-Leona with Shaco ganking; Rammus starts Doran's Shield and I die like clockwork to a lane gank. (Intermittent 1k lag spikes didn't help.) This Rammus player does not know how to jungle Rammus and maxes E against Ez-Leona like he's ever gonna get to use it. I was :smallconfused::smallsigh:.


I'd like to try out Dominion sometime soon. Help me out: what are the basic strategies that I should know for succeeding in Dominion? And how are item/spell builds different there, if at all?

Three rush top, one rushes mid and then top, one caps bot and lanes against the opponents' bot. Should have at least one Garrison on team for fighting on enemy points. Most people are comfortable just spamming tanky DPS; if you want to get more technical, Eldariel has the scoop.

[Zeful]

Some Shen and Vlad changes are going into the PBE. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1609467)

Thoughts?

[TechnOkami]

Some Shen and Vlad changes are going into the PBE. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1609467)

Thoughts?

Shen was Buffed.

Vlad was Effectively Nerfed.

Ninja Tabi is now the best Tank Shoes Item, Ever.

[Moonshadow]

Huh. Would that new ninja tabi come into effect before or after armor and armor penetration factors in, you think? It would make a big difference as to how effective it actually is.

[Arbitrarity]

Huh. Would that new ninja tabi come into effect before or after armor and armor penetration factors in, you think? It would make a big difference as to how effective it actually is.

Shouldn't make a difference, they're all percentage based effects.

[Ziren]

Some Shen and Vlad changes are going into the PBE. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1609467)

Thoughts?

Shen is probably going to be FotM-material, the changes to Vorpal Blade really improve his top-lane capability, the Ki-Strike change improves his jungle speed (which wasn't too shabby already).

Feint and Shadow Dash changes should improve his lategame quite a bit.

He'll still be very farmdependent, though.

[Eldariel]

Holy ****, that new Ki Strike batman. So yeah, .5 minion attack reduction = he's going to wreck faces in the jungle and in lane fights (where you draw minion aggro) especially with the new Feint making the minions relatively negligible.

With the energy cost reduction, it's now viable to only spend 1 point on Shadow Dash. Interesting.