Will saves: do they get any love?

[sengmeng]

Is there a class feature similar to Evasion which allows half damage with a successful Will save?

[Zaq]

It's called Mettle, and it works on both Fort and Will. Hexblade is the easiest way to get it, but there are other ways as well.

[Incanur]

Just to be clear, evasion gives zero damage with a successful Reflex save and mettle does the same for Fort and Will saves. Were you thinking of improved evasion?

[erikun]

There is also an Improved Mettle, which grants the "half" effect on failed Fort/Will saves and no effect with a successful save. And by "half", I mean whatever the result of a normal successful save would be - meaning nothing happening, in most cases.

[Tenno Seremel]

There is also an Improved Mettle, which grants the "half" effect on failed Fort/Will saves and no effect with a successful save. And by "half", I mean whatever the result of a normal successful save would be - meaning nothing happening, in most cases.

I thought Mettle does not work on Will negates/partial spells.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

There is also an Improved Mettle, which grants the "half" effect on failed Fort/Will saves and no effect with a successful save. And by "half", I mean whatever the result of a normal successful save would be - meaning nothing happening, in most cases.

Source? I've heard this before but yet to find any proof of it existing in 3.5 proper.

[Viktyr Gehrig]

I don't think Improved Mettle exists. Mettle allows you to negate any Fort or Will partial with a successful save, so Improved Mettle would allow you to take the partial on a failed save-- which means you're almost immune to just about anything with Fort/Will partial.

Pathfinder has Stalwart, since Mettle isn't OGC, and Improved Stalwart of which I am aware of precisely one way for a character to obtain.

[Morph Bark]

Source? I've heard this before but yet to find any proof of it existing in 3.5 proper.

Hexblade 3, Crusader 12 and Pious Templar 1 get it. They may have some differences between them though. Goliath Rogue 2 gets it in place of Evasion, but only for Fort saves.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

Hexblade 3, Crusader 12 and Pious Templar 1 get it. They may have some differences between them though. Goliath Rogue 2 gets it in place of Evasion, but only for Fort saves.

I was commenting more on the "Improved" bit, vary than regular mettle.:smalltongue:

[gkathellar]

In the official material, I appear it only appears post-epic.

[FMArthur]

I cannot even imagine how awful this game must get in post-epic play. :smalleek:

[Morph Bark]

I was commenting more on the "Improved" bit, vary than regular mettle.:smalltongue:

Ah, carry on then. :smalltongue: The only time I've heard of Improved Mettle was with regards to an Epic PrC.

[sengmeng]

Thanks all. I thought Mettle was only Fort saves, hence my confusion.

[Greenish]

Thanks all. I thought Mettle was only Fort saves, hence my confusion.Depends on the version.

I've seen references to an item that grants Imp. Mettle, but can't seem to track it down.

[Keld Denar]

MIC. Its in the back, part of one of the item sets.

EDIT: Or at least I thought it was...maybe Complete Champion?

[Greenish]

MIC. Its in the back, part of one of the item sets.Yeah, I thought so too, but couldn't find it either.

[Edit]: Yeah, C.Champ. page 142, Tabard of Valor.

[Hirax]

Yeah, I thought so too, but couldn't find it either.

[Edit]: Yeah, C.Champ. page 142, Tabard of Valor.

Could a UMD check fool the item into thinking you were below half hit points? Activate blindly seems like it would be the most applicable check?