Build a Robin

[ExemplarofAvg]

Richard(****) Grayson became Nightwing, Specialty Dexterity
Jason Todd (died, then) became Red Hood, Specialty Strength
Tim Drake forced Retire then Red Robin (Or the Joker, depending on your preference), Specialty Intelligence
Stephanie Brown, Kind of Don't care. Didn't learn much of her stuff. I think she became Bat Girl or something, not sure.
Damian Wayne, became Red Robin, Specialty, Dunno, kind of care less.

So the reason for listing the Robin's is my newest task in DnD. There's Batman Wizard, but every Batman needs a Robin, But there has never just been one Robin. So playgrounders, can you help me make a Robin Build, and another Robin Build, and at least one more Robin build, Maybe two others. They all have similar training but all have different backgrounds and they all branch off separately. I imagine like Rogue or something.

The Idea is for a build separate and independent of Batman.
So Far:
Richard Grayson is: Unarmed Swordsage
Jason Todd is: Some sort of human, thrown weapon or item specialist/primary or secondary meleeer
Tim Drake: Factotum


Tacking this on as well:
My friend read this thread and asked "Well what about Batman's Villains?"

I know there's a Joker Bard somewhere to counteract Batman Wizard
After that
Bane: Half-Giant Factotum Warhulk
Mr. Freeze: Warforged Cryokineticist :P (Sucky but best I can think of)
Catwoman: Rogue
Poison Ivy: Druid or Plant Cleric
Penguin: Social Rogue with Feats rather than Sneak Attack
Two-Face: .... Umm, Lost.

[Psyren]

His familiar, obviously.



Damian Wayne, became Red Robin,

Yummmm

[Story Time]

I thought...that Batman wizards were a specific wizard build rather than a skills-user like what Batman is supposed to be. If that's so then why would the Robin be anything other than a caster?

This is a neat thread topic, though.

[ExemplarofAvg]

I thought...that Batman wizards were a specific wizard build rather than a skills-user like what Batman is supposed to be. If that's so then why would the Robin be anything other than a caster?

This is a neat thread topic, though.

Because Robin merely uses what Batman gives him.

Also, Psyren, WTH?

[horseboy]

Wait, I though Sorcerers were Robin. You know, a mini-me Batman.

+1 Yuuuuuummm

Edit: "Yummm" is in reference to the fast food chain Red Robin. It's basically a silverware version of Sonic. Their slogan is "Red Robin, Yum!"

[Midnight_v]

His familiar, obviously.



Yummmm

I always thought it was this ,when I read logicninja's guide.
Robin was a familiar of somekind...

[Psyren]

Because Robin merely uses what Batman gives him.

Also, Psyren, WTH?

I'm dead serious. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0659.html) And not just the sidekick angle; Robin's purpose is to give Batman more actions, because that's all Batman (being Batman) really needs. That's precisely what familiars do.

Even your own statement ("Robin merely uses what Batman gives him") lines up with this. Give your familiar an item, or share a spell with him, or even Imbue it with a spell ability.

[ExemplarofAvg]

Ah, I understand that point.
But I was "WTH"ing the Yum, I am canadian and do not know what a Red Robin is. Also the only Sonic I know is the hedgehog.


My main idea was to have builds for Nightwing, Red Hood and Red Robin. Skill focused characters focused on Dexterity, Strength and Intelligence respectfully.

[horseboy]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pocAm4c1AlI). Helping to sling the lingo.

[Morph Bark]

SotA Rangers they are, obviously.

[Dr.Epic]

So the reason for listing the Robin's is my newest task in DnD. There's Batman Wizard, but every Batman needs a Robin, But there has never just been one Robin. So playgrounders, can you help me make a Robin Build, and another Robin Build, and at least one more Robin build, Maybe two others. They all have similar training but all have different backgrounds and they all branch off separately. I imagine like Rogue or something.

Robin's the familiar.:smallwink:

That's right. I went there. Robin's nothing more than a class feature.:smallwink::smalltongue:

[ExemplarofAvg]

SotA Rangers they are, obviously.

Wow, that's almost so obvious, I don't know how I missed that.

[CTrees]

Richard(****) Grayson became Nightwing, Specialty Dexterity
Jason Todd (died, then) became Red Hood, Specialty Strength
Tim Drake forced Retire then Red Robin (Or the Joker, depending on your preference), Specialty Intelligence
Stephanie Brown, Kind of Don't care. Didn't learn much of her stuff. I think she became Bat Girl or something, not sure.
Damian Wayne, became Red Robin, Specialty, Dunno, kind of care less.

So the reason for listing the Robin's is my newest task in DnD. There's Batman Wizard, but every Batman needs a Robin, But there has never just been one Robin. So playgrounders, can you help me make a Robin Build, and another Robin Build, and at least one more Robin build, Maybe two others. They all have similar training but all have different backgrounds and they all branch off separately. I imagine like Rogue or something.

You forgot Carrie Kelly (everyone forgets Carrie Kelly).

That said, my vote is likely for Robin being the familiar. I thought about it being his Gated Solar, but that doesn't work. The other possibility I could see would be a Psion Cohort. Lower level, similar, and provides even more options for Batman, without being a tank/healer/whatever.

[Daer]

I'd say some kind of bard perhaps.
also lots of skills, some spells and tricks and overally just supports while batman does everything important.

[ExemplarofAvg]

You forgot Carrie Kelly (everyone forgets Carrie Kelly).

That said, my vote is likely for Robin being the familiar. I thought about it being his Gated Solar, but that doesn't work. The other possibility I could see would be a Psion Cohort. Lower level, similar, and provides even more options for Batman, without being a tank/healer/whatever.

No, Just Carrie Kelly was Retconned out, wasn't she? I know she became Cat Girl in the Frank Miller Universe.

[CTrees]

Carrie Kelly was always Frank Miller continuity only, but The Brave and The Bold included her in it's "all the robins" feature, which is good enough for me.

[ericgrau]

I'd agree that a caster would seem logical but a good batman assistant would probably be a good target for the buffs and good at mopping up the flailing foes. So I'd say it should be some kind of melee. Probably someone with blind fight to jump into sleet storms and solid fogs. With leadership to double the haste targets. A good balance skill to stand on grease.

I'm gonna say a grimlock rogue, or some other rogue with blind sight. It can rush right into poor visibility, is also immune to glitterdust blindness, has good balance for grease, and can sneak attack against foes that don't have such advantages. Probably add on a couple feats or what not to hit undead and constructs too. Give him a spell storing weapon for the wizard to charge up. Heck since he already has TWF give him 2 spell storing weapons, even better. If he can get some source of dimension door to get around walls, that would help too, but better for the wizard to aim the walls well and then he should take out the remaining ones on his side.

A fighter type with blindsight and a few balance ranks would also work well and wouldn't be so reliant on concealment and sneak-attackable foes. Then if high enough level he could perhaps be a cleric or druid too and get freedom of movement for evard's tentacles, solid fog and so on. Or continuing the haste + leadership idea, a cleric or druid with a rogue or barbarian cohort who he can tag with freedom of movement.

[ExemplarofAvg]

Carrie Kelly was always Frank Miller continuity only, but The Brave and The Bold included her in it's "all the robins" feature, which is good enough for me.

I'm a fan of Jason Todd (All of the Batman, with just a little bit of "Necessary Evil" if you will, "Murder" if you wont.), but a lot of Movies and TV shows don't really touch on him. (Which is why I really, really, wish Mark Hamil had voiced Joker in "Under the Red Hood" it would've made it the perfect Batman Movie. Jason Todd, Joker, Nightwing voiced by NPH.)


I'd agree that a caster would seem logical but a good batman assistant would probably be a good target for the buffs and good at mopping up the flailing foes. So I'd say it should be some kind of melee. Probably someone with blind fight to jump into sleet storms and solid fogs. With leadership to double the haste targets. A good balance skill to stand on grease.

I'm gonna say a grimlock rogue, or some other rogue with blind sight. It can rush right into poor visibility, is also immune to glitterdust blindness, has good balance for grease, and can sneak attack against foes that don't have such advantages. Probably add on a couple feats or what not to hit undead and constructs too. Give him a spell storing weapon for the wizard to charge up. Heck since he already has TWF give him 2 spell storing weapons, even better. If he can get some source of dimension door to get around walls, that would help too, but better for the wizard to aim the walls well and then he should take out the remaining ones on his side.

A fighter type with blindsight and a few balance ranks would also work well and wouldn't be so reliant on concealment and sneak-attackable foes. Then if high enough level he could perhaps be a cleric or druid too and get freedom of movement for evard's tentacles, solid fog and so on. Or continuing the haste + leadership idea, a cleric or druid with a rogue or barbarian cohort who he can tag with freedom of movement.

Is there a way for a Human to get Blindsight, (Maybe through an item, like a little mask or something that goes around the eyes, :P)

[vampire2948]

Is there a way for a Human to get Blindsight, (Maybe through an item, like a little mask or something that goes around the eyes, :P)


Blindfold of True Darkness (http://www.imarvintpa.com/dndLive/items.php?ID=2211)

[ExemplarofAvg]

Blindfold of True Darkness (http://www.imarvintpa.com/dndLive/items.php?ID=2211)

Shudders, I forgot about that, maybe just because my party used it to massive abuse once. Or maybe because my character hid theirs and it became their greatest weapon.

[Yuki Akuma]

Robin
Size/Type: Fine Animal
Hit Dice: ¼ d8 (1 hp)
Initiative: +3
Speed: 5 ft. (1 square), fly 30 ft. (good)
Armor Class: 21 (+8 size, +3 Dex)
Base Attack/Grapple: +0/-21
Attack: Peck +11 melee (1-5)
Full Attack: Peck +11 melee (1-5)
Space/Reach: ½ ft./0 ft.
Special Attacks: None
Special Qualities: Low-light vision
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +1
Abilities: Str 1, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 8
Skills: Listen +4, Spot +6
Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse(B)
Environment: Temperate forests
Organisation: Solitary or pair.
Challenge Rating: 1/8
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: —
Level Adjustment: —

A robin is usually around five inches long. If faced with combat, its first instinct will be to flee. When taken as a familiar, a robin grants a +3 bonus to Gather Information checks, thanks to being trained by the world's greatest detective.

...

What?

[Morph Bark]

What?

Nothing. Just the sound of cookies being baked.

[ExemplarofAvg]

Robin
Size/Type: Fine Animal
Hit Dice: ¼ d8 (1 hp)
Initiative: +3
Speed: 5 ft. (1 square), fly 30 ft. (good)
Armor Class: 21 (+8 size, +3 Dex)
Base Attack/Grapple: +0/-21
Attack: Peck +11 melee (1-5)
Full Attack: Peck +11 melee (1-5)
Space/Reach: ½ ft./0 ft.
Special Attacks: None
Special Qualities: Low-light vision
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +1
Abilities: Str 1, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 8
Skills: Listen +4, Spot +6
Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse(B)
Environment: Temperate forests
Organisation: Solitary or pair.
Challenge Rating: 1/8
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: —
Level Adjustment: —

A robin is usually around five inches long. If faced with combat, its first instinct will be to flee. When taken as a familiar, a robin grants a +3 bonus to Gather Information checks, thanks to being trained by the world's greatest detective.

...

What?


[LIKE]

Totally using this sometime.

[Randomatic]

Robin
Attack: Peck +11 melee (1-5)
Full Attack: Peck +11 melee (1-5)

The bonuses there seem a bit off, is this intentionally the worlds most accurate familiar? :smallsmile:

Edit: Aha, my inexperience with the extremely small critters has come back and pecked me.

[CTrees]

The bonuses there seem a bit off, is this intentionally the worlds most accurate familiar? :smallsmile:

Fine size plus weapon finesse plus 16 Dex. I would've thought a robin would be diminutive, but then I don't remember the size guidelines offhand.

[ExemplarofAvg]

The bonuses there seem a bit off, is this intentionally the worlds most accurate familiar? :smallsmile:

Edit: Aha, my inexperience with the extremely small critters has come back and pecked me.

It's alright though, because every time it attacks, they heal 4 damage.

[Morph Bark]

Fine size plus weapon finesse plus 16 Dex. I would've thought a robin would be diminutive, but then I don't remember the size guidelines offhand.

Depends on the size/kind of robin at hand, I suppose. Fine size implies smaller than 6 inches. I dunno much about robins, but the kind over here doesn't get bigger than 4 from tail to beak, I'd say.

[Yuki Akuma]

Wikipedia informs me that the European robin is on average 5 to 5 and a half inches, so that's what I went with.

(1-5 means that each time the robin hits you it deals 1 damage and needs at least a +6 bonus to damage to deal 2 damage. Attacks always deal at least 1 damage. .-. )

Also, actually on topic, I think Tim Drake might be some manner of Factotum. .-.

[ericgrau]

It's alright though, because every time it attacks, they heal 4 damage.
Well I think it defaults to the 1 damage minimum. Which with that kind of attack bonus and AC makes them devestating. CR 1/8 seems a bit low to me. A CR 1/4 house cat doesn't stand a chance, let alone a commoner.

[Yuki Akuma]

Well I think it defaults to the 1 damage minimum. Which with that kind of attack bonus and AC makes them devestating. CR 1/8 seems a bit low to me. A CR 1/4 house cat doesn't stand a chance, let alone a commoner.

I hate to defend stats I made in under ten minutes as a joke, but...

In the real world, a cat will fail to catch a bird roughly 90% of the time. The 10% it does manage, it grabs it and snaps its neck. When it misses its touch attack, the robin flies away.

Look at the robin's grapple modifier compared to the cat's.

[ericgrau]

I hope you don't take me seriously either. The hint being robin > house cat > commoner.

You need to hit on a touch attack to start a grapple, though I suppose that way the cat only needs to hit once to get it to 0 hp instead of twice for -1. Still it's a dangerous venture with the potential for the robin to remove 1 of the house cat's 2 precious HP fairly consistently.

[ExemplarofAvg]

Wikipedia informs me that the European robin is on average 5 to 5 and a half inches, so that's what I went with.

(1-5 means that each time the robin hits you it deals 1 damage and needs at least a +6 bonus to damage to deal 2 damage. Attacks always deal at least 1 damage. .-. )

Also, actually on topic, I think Tim Drake might be some manner of Factotum. .-.

Robins are about the same size here.
And yeah, I know, it's a joke amongst my group.
I can totally see that, seeing as how he figured out Batman's secret identity when he was what, 11?

[ExemplarofAvg]

So
Richard Grayson... Something Dexteric/Acrobatic
Jason Todd. I can see being some sort of thrown weapon/thrown item expert, but good in melee as well.
Time Drake, and Yuki Akuma is right, Factotum, all the way.

[Morph Bark]

Another possibility for Tim Drake is perhaps a Bard with Bardic Knack, but I dunno enough about him to know if there are any times he's made Batman fight better. :smallamused:

[CTrees]

Another possibility for Tim Drake is perhaps a Bard with Bardic Knack, but I dunno enough about him to know if there are any times he's made Batman fight better. :smallamused:

Pfft, he just rolled a natural twenty.

[ExemplarofAvg]

Another possibility for Tim Drake is perhaps a Bard with Bardic Knack, but I dunno enough about him to know if there are any times he's made Batman fight better. :smallamused:

I dunno, fighting alongside Batman must've given him some support.

[Paul H]

Hi

Take Summoner from Pathfinder for Batman - Robin is you Eidolon. Your Eidolon can look like almost anything, but running around in your Batman costume could get you arrested!

Thanks
Paul H

[ExemplarofAvg]

Hi

Take Summoner from Pathfinder for Batman - Robin is you Eidolon. Your Eidolon can look like almost anything, but running around in your Batman costume could get you arrested!

Thanks
Paul H

I'm looking for a build separate and independent of Batman.

[Tvtyrant]

**** Grayson: I see **** Grayson as a swordsage with a dex focus and using shadowhand for dexterity damage. He uses TWF and smacks people around with a pair of clubs. Actually a pretty normal TWF swordsage is perfect for **** Grayson.

Jason Todd: Depends on if we are using the robin version or the red hood/battle for the cowl version. If it is the robin version he is just Batman (trained to fight exactly the same), but in the others he is more like a daring outlaw build or a Bloodstorm Blader.

Tim Drake: I would stat Drake as a Ranger actually. He tracks people, he is both wise and smart, capable in combat but not focused on it, etc. A Swift Hunter Ranger with a double wand chambered quarterstaff with Shillelagh (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shillelagh.htm).

The little anti-christ is actually a Confound The Big Folk build mixed with artificer or chameleon.

[JackRackham]

I could see Grayson maybe being a Scout with a bunch of ranks in Tumble, Balance, Perform (cross-class, I know) and Jump (Maybe Use Rope and Ride as well, if I'm remembering correctly...). Otherwise, Rogue is on the table, but I'm not sure it's the right flavor (he was more about movement than being sneaky).


For the record, Batman is probably actually a Factotum. In core, he's probably a Rogue (though he would be a stain on the name of reputable Rogues everywhere...).

[Tvtyrant]

I never actually saw Batman as a Factotum. I usually make him either an Artificer or a SotAO Mystic Ranger 10/Chameleon 10.

[ExemplarofAvg]

**** Grayson: I see **** Grayson as a swordsage with a dex focus and using shadowhand for dexterity damage. He uses TWF and smacks people around with a pair of clubs. Actually a pretty normal TWF swordsage is perfect for **** Grayson.

Jason Todd: Depends on if we are using the robin version or the red hood/battle for the cowl version. If it is the robin version he is just Batman (trained to fight exactly the same), but in the others he is more like a daring outlaw build or a Bloodstorm Blader.

Tim Drake: I would stat Drake as a Ranger actually. He tracks people, he is both wise and smart, capable in combat but not focused on it, etc. A Swift Hunter Ranger with a double wand chambered quarterstaff with Shillelagh (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shillelagh.htm).

The little anti-christ is actually a Confound The Big Folk build mixed with artificer or chameleon.

Jason Todd, always the Red Hood version, all the Robin's are pretty similar until they get older. So I guess we're technically looking at Nightwing, Red Hood and Red Robin.

Ugh, Damian Wayne. I don't speak of him.

Hmm, Actually with the Red Hood. Maybe Pathfinder Gunslinger/Rogue/Assassin?

[Metahuman1]

Richard(****) Grayson became Nightwing, Specialty Dexterity
Jason Todd (died, then) became Red Hood, Specialty Strength
Tim Drake forced Retire then Red Robin (Or the Joker, depending on your preference), Specialty Intelligence
Stephanie Brown, Kind of Don't care. Didn't learn much of her stuff. I think she became Bat Girl or something, not sure.
Damian Wayne, became Red Robin, Specialty, Dunno, kind of care less.

So the reason for listing the Robin's is my newest task in DnD. There's Batman Wizard, but every Batman needs a Robin, But there has never just been one Robin. So playgrounders, can you help me make a Robin Build, and another Robin Build, and at least one more Robin build, Maybe two others. They all have similar training but all have different backgrounds and they all branch off separately. I imagine like Rogue or something.

The Idea is for a build separate and independent of Batman.
So Far:
Richard Grayson is: ?
Jason Todd is: Some sort of human, thrown weapon or item specialist/primary or secondary meleeer
Tim Drake: Factotum

Greyson: Swordsage who's DM allowed him to dump Wis by taking Kung Fu Genius and who also took weapons Finesse and Shadow blade strike and got the weapons list expanded.

Damian: Rogue with a bit of Warblade.

[ExemplarofAvg]

My friend read this thread and asked "Well what about Batman's Villains?"
Now he doesn't have an account so I put his brainstorming up here.

I know there's a Joker Bard somewhere to counteract Batman Wizard
After that
Bane: Half-Giant Factotum Warhulk
Mr. Freeze: Warforged Cryokineticist :P (Sucky but best I can think of)
Catwoman: Rogue
Poison Ivy: Druid or Plant Cleric
Penguin: Social Rogue with Feats rather than Sneak Attack
Two-Face: .... Umm, Lost.