Rage Prophet [PF] {Divine Gishish}

[ExemplarofAvg]

Which Entry would be best

Barbarian 5/Oracle 1
Has: +5 Bab, +4/+1/+3 Saves, Fast Movement, Trap Sense +1, Improved Uncanny Dodge, One more Rage Power, 5d12+1d8 Hp, Mystery (Battle), Curse (Clouded Vision or Deaf), Orisons, 1 Revelation, 3 lv 1 spells.

Barbarian 4/Oracle 2
Has: +5 Bab, +4/+1/+4 Saves, Fast Movement, Trap Sense +1, Uncanny Dodge, One more Rage Power, 4d12+2d8 Hp, Mystery (Battle), Curse (Clouded Vision or Deaf), Orisons, 1 Revelation, 4 lv 1 spells, 1 Mystery Spell

Barbarian 3/Oracle 3
Has: +5 Bab, +4/+2/+4 Saves, Fast Movement, Trap Sense +1, Uncanny Dodge, 3d12+3d8 Hp, Mystery (Battle), Curse (Clouded Vision or Deaf), Orisons, 2 Revelations, 5 lv 1 spells, 1 Mystery Spell

Barbarian 2/Oracle 4
Has: +5 Bab, +4/+1/+4 Saves, Fast Movement, Uncanny Dodge, 2d12+4d8 Hp, Mystery (Battle), Curse (Clouded Vision or Deaf), Orisons, 2 Revelations, 6 lv 1 spells, 3 Lv 2 spells, 2 Mystery Spells.

The first is more Combat focused and the fourth is better for spellcasting.
The second and third are both intermediate for both spells and melee, with the third being better by trading out a rage power for a +1 to reflex, another revelation and one more 1st level spell.
I'm looking to fashion almost a Divine Gish to run alongside my friends Magus. I like the look of Rage Prophet but don't have any experience, so thoughts on it would be appreciated, also What Mystery should be taken for the Oracle? it suggests battle, but there's often better. Also what ACF's should be taken, if any?

Pathfinder Barbarian:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian
Barbarian Archetypes (ACF)
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes

Pathfinder Oracle (Divine Sorcerer)
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle
Oracle Archetypes (ACF)
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/archetypes/paizo---oracle-archetypes

Rage Prophet
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/n-r/rage-prophet

Any suggestions on Weapons and Feats would be appreciated as well.

[grarrrg]

Which Entry would be best

Barbarian X/Oracle 6-X

The first is more Combat focused and the fourth is better for spellcasting.
I'm looking to fashion almost a Divine Gish to run alongside my friends Magus. ....also What Mystery should be taken for the Oracle? it suggests battle, but there's often better. Also what ACF's should be taken, if any?


First off, just taking the first level of Rage Prophet means you will never get 9th level spells. (but you said your friend is a Magus, so no problem there)

Secondly, while Prophet levels stack for Rage-Power and Revelation _effects_, they do NOT give you any _more_ Powers or Revelations.
You can always take the feats Extra Rage Power or Extra Revelation, but these, of course, cost precious Feats. (it's also debatable if Prophet levels count towards "must be at least X level to take", ask your DM).


Barb 3 isn't worth stopping at, and neither is Oracle 2. Making your best options:
"Caster" Barb 2/Oracle 4
"Beatstick" Barb 5/Oracle 1
Regardless you are going to start with a total of 3 Rage-Powers/Revelations.
One of which must be Moment of Clarity. Either way, you won't have many choices, so instead of picking the Mystery with the best overall Revelations, pick the one with the best 2 or 3.

My personal preference would be to take Barb 5/Oracle 1, and my suggestions will be slightly skewed that way.

Battle was mentioned as the "preferred flavor" choice of Mystery.
Flavor-wise, I agree. Power-wise, HECK NO!

You want Lore Mystery (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/lore) > Sidestep Secret. You use Cha instead of Dex for AC and Ref saves. This reduces your Stat dependency from Str/Dex/Con/Cha to just Str/Con/Cha (if you're worried about Initiative, take the Feat Improved Initiative)
An alternative would be Nature Mystery > Nature's Whispers. Still does the Cha-to-AC thing, but instead of Ref Saves, it counts for CMD.

Pick whichever one has the next best Revelation for you (and/or bonus spells).

For Rage Powers, Spirit Totem, Lesser (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/spirit-totem-lesser-su) will synergize nicely with your high Cha score. And note, they automatically attack during a Rage regardless of what you actually do that turn. And it fits Flavor-wise with the Prophets "Spirit Guide" abilities.

For Oracle Curses, your best choices are either Wasting (minor penalty, decent benefits), or Lame (offset by Fast Movement).
The most Flavorful choice would be Haunted, again because of the Spirit Theme.

There aren't any decent Oracle ACF's, but Barb has at least 2 worth looking at.
Invulnerable Rager (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/invulnerable-rager):
Loss: Uncanny Dodge(s), Trap Sense
Gain: DR/- equal to half your Barb level, and some minor Fire or Cold Resistance.

Scarred Rager (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/scarred-rager):
Loss: Uncanny Dodge(s), Trap Sense, Fast Movement
Gain: You get bonus saving throws against (almost) every Status Effect, and can ignore some Bleed Damage.


The 3 best Races would be (in no particular order)
Half-Orc: +2 Any stat, can use Favored Class Bonus to get extra Rounds of Rage.
Human: +2 Any stat, Bonus feat.
Suli (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/monsters-as-pcs#TOC-Suli): +2 Str, +2 Cha, Acid/Cold/Electric/Fire Resist 5 (Yes, ALL of them)

[ExemplarofAvg]

First off, just taking the first level of Rage Prophet means you will never get 9th level spells. (but you said your friend is a Magus, so no problem there)

Secondly, while Prophet levels stack for Rage-Power and Revelation _effects_, they do NOT give you any _more_ Powers or Revelations.
You can always take the feats Extra Rage Power or Extra Revelation, but these, of course, cost precious Feats. (it's also debatable if Prophet levels count towards "must be at least X level to take", ask your DM).


Barb 3 isn't worth stopping at, and neither is Oracle 2. Making your best options:
"Caster" Barb 2/Oracle 4
"Beatstick" Barb 5/Oracle 1
Regardless you are going to start with a total of 3 Rage-Powers/Revelations.
One of which must be Moment of Clarity. Either way, you won't have many choices, so instead of picking the Mystery with the best overall Revelations, pick the one with the best 2 or 3.

My personal preference would be to take Barb 5/Oracle 1, and my suggestions will be slightly skewed that way.

Battle was mentioned as the "preferred flavor" choice of Mystery.
Flavor-wise, I agree. Power-wise, HECK NO!

You want Lore Mystery (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/lore) > Sidestep Secret. You use Cha instead of Dex for AC and Ref saves. This reduces your Stat dependency from Str/Dex/Con/Cha to just Str/Con/Cha (if you're worried about Initiative, take the Feat Improved Initiative)
An alternative would be Nature Mystery > Nature's Whispers. Still does the Cha-to-AC thing, but instead of Ref Saves, it counts for CMD.

Pick whichever one has the next best Revelation for you (and/or bonus spells).

For Rage Powers, Spirit Totem, Lesser (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/spirit-totem-lesser-su) will synergize nicely with your high Cha score. And note, they automatically attack during a Rage regardless of what you actually do that turn. And it fits Flavor-wise with the Prophets "Spirit Guide" abilities.

For Oracle Curses, your best choices are either Wasting (minor penalty, decent benefits), or Lame (offset by Fast Movement).
The most Flavorful choice would be Haunted, again because of the Spirit Theme.

There aren't any decent Oracle ACF's, but Barb has at least 2 worth looking at.
Invulnerable Rager (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/invulnerable-rager):
Loss: Uncanny Dodge(s), Trap Sense
Gain: DR/- equal to half your Barb level, and some minor Fire or Cold Resistance.

Scarred Rager (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/scarred-rager):
Loss: Uncanny Dodge(s), Trap Sense, Fast Movement
Gain: You get bonus saving throws against (almost) every Status Effect, and can ignore some Bleed Damage.


The 3 best Races would be (in no particular order)
Half-Orc: +2 Any stat, can use Favored Class Bonus to get extra Rounds of Rage.
Human: +2 Any stat, Bonus feat.
Suli (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/monsters-as-pcs#TOC-Suli): +2 Str, +2 Cha, Acid/Cold/Electric/Fire Resist 5 (Yes, ALL of them)

Hmm, Thinking a Half-Orc Invulnerable Rager Barbarian/ Nature Mystery Oracle, and yeah can't argue with another form of damage.

And yeah I'm familiar with the Suli, I posted a thread a bit back because I was thinking about making a character obsessed with finding out his heritage (I know the name is technically Suli-Jann, so there's that right there) But every race or species in my DMs campaign has a god of them, and he was going to be descended from the Genie God (Has all of the powers as well as unlimited wishes as they see fit.)

[Bhaakon]

What, no flame mystery for +10 movement, elemental body, and flight?

[grarrrg]

Another thing, try to talk your DM into allowing Fractional Bab.
Otherwise you'll (most likely) fall further behind than you need to.


What, no flame mystery for +10 movement, elemental body, and flight?

Flight is (probably) a no go, requires level 7 before taking, he'd either need to go heavy Oracle, or hope his DM lets Prophet levels count as Oracle.

He already has +10ft. from Barb levels, so he's (probably) the fastest already.

As a note, you can't take Cinder Dance if you took the Lame Curse.

[Bhaakon]

Flight is (probably) a no go, requires level 7 before taking, he'd either need to go heavy Oracle, or hope his DM lets Prophet levels count as Oracle.

Probably an oversight, but it only requires level 7, not 7 levels of oracle.

[grarrrg]

Probably an oversight, but it only requires level 7, not 7 levels of oracle.

I stand corrected.

[Bhaakon]

I stand corrected.

Yeah, it's one of those things that seems like it should be one way, but technically isn't. Particularly since some of the revelations specify oracle level, and others don't.