Fists and Songs, can they work?

[Mr Sko]

First time poster here, seeking enlightenment on a particularly perplexing topic. You see, I have a group of friends that have been role playing for many years across a universe of systems and recently I've finally found time in my schedule to be able to commit to a Pathfinder campaign they are running. I've been looking to create a character from a neat concept I had. ( though I'm sure its been done before Google couldn't help me)

Basically I'm trying to create a half Orc luchador that can pump up his allies while he's flinging baddies around with flying head scissors and the like.

I figured that a combination of Bard and Monk would be good for this but I'm coming into an 8th level game and I just don't know if I can make a character good enough to be on par with my buddies that actually know what they are doing.

Does anyone have any insight on whether or not this is viable or should I just scrap this idea for something a bit more basic?

[Doorhandle]

If you don't mind loosing flurry of blows, you could try the Sensei archetype, which gets some forms of bardic performance in exchange for flurry, (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-archetypes/sensei)and other bonuses in exchange for bonus feats. Just refluff advice as “I am the singing ninja tank” or whatever.

Might not work for your lunchador though, because I think grappling builds might be feat heavy.

[Manateee]

Going the other way, Bard -> Monk:

For throwing, maybe the Improved Unarmed Strike/Ki Throw (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/ki-throw-combat)/Improved Ki Throw/Spinning Throw (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/spinning-throw-combat) feat line, along with Janni Tempest (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/janni-tempest-combat)? It'll eat most of your feats just to get the tricks on-line at a moderate level, but I could see it being workable.

Half-Orc wouldn't be a bad choice of a race in PF. It might even be decent if you can get intimidate buffed (though I'm not totally confident that'll be possible until higher levels with the feats going into fighting styles).

And I'm thinking the Arcane Duelist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo---bard-archetypes/arcane-duelist) archetype, to easily and fairly effectively apply weapon effects to unarmed strikes, as well as just generally being a brawler. This maintains most of the buffing music, so you should still be able to rally the party.

Alternatively, Savage Skald (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo---bard-archetypes/savage-skald) seems to match your concept better, but its abilities are kind of crappy until level 12. With the throwing stuff schtick already possibly eating into your effectiveness, I'd probably sit this one out.

EDIT:
It totally sounds like Sensei is your best bet though. Just trying to lay out an alternative.

[Mr Sko]

Thanks for the responses gentlemen, I saw the savage skald earlier and thought it was pretty neat what with the combat buffs, though it definitely seems like they are not so great until later.

I had yet to see the sensei class option, I'll definitely check it out.

Still grappling (no pun intended) on whether I should put my levels later down the line into monk or bard but this is still a great start, thanks again.

Edit: One thing worth mentioning that slipped my mind, apparently 3.5 isn't banned per say just frowned upon by the group. The only reason I'm not exploring it is...well... its HUGE. The group has about 40 3.5 books and like 5 pathfinder ones, which is more or less the only reason I'm building it in this system.

Second Edit: Not to complain Doorhandle, but after reviewing the sensei class option it seems to remove nearly everything that makes a monk a monk, it would probably be better to make a straight bard in the case of that variant. Still I suppose the better saves could be nice, decisions decisions.

[Arbane]

There's also the Tetori (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-archetypes/tetori) Monk archetype, who is all about the wrestling.

[Krazzman]

Don't forget, that if you want to mix those two, there is still the Alignment restriction (or did they remove the one on the bard in PF?) and you should look into the Martial and Tetori Monk-Archetype. Style Feats are another good thing you should bet on, as is Tripping.

As Weapon I would advice a Crestus (is that written that way?) for fluff (these things are similar to the ropes muay thai fighters have on their arms or like boxing gloves with spikes at least to google).

[Mr Sko]

Well according to the site that everyone keeps linking ( its super useful by the way! ) A Bard can be of an alignment type : Any. Thank gawd because my heart just skipped a beat thinking I missed out on that important information!

Now this Tetori, man oh man does it ever seem like a good solid Luchador class and all the bonus feats and what not probably mean I could free myself up for some bard feats later down the line.

I know this is probably a case of my reach exceeding my grasp here but looking to the future I could probably go

12 Monk/ 8 bard just to get Dirge of Doom which sounds pretty cool for shaking a group of foes ( not unlike a wrestlers entrance music anyway, I know thats not really a lucha thing per say but still)

Well we're meeting tonight to roll stats and what not so I'll bring all the information I learned in this thread there, thanks again all.

[Hunter Noventa]

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