Wizard build

[kabreras]

I was making a new wizard build and i ended up with :

Sun elf
Elf Generalist
Domain Wizard
Fighter bonus feats
Spontaneous divination

Would a DM say no to that ?

Considering that at level 5 with this thing i end up with
5/6/4/4 as spells per day

[Tyndmyr]

Depends on the DM. I'd let it fly, but I play a fairly high op game. Others may not.

If in doubt, chat with your DM about what each of these things does, and find out what he's comfortable with.

Honestly, I never end up trading out scribe scroll, myself. I use the hell out of that.

[kabreras]

I tend to dislike scribe scroll.. never found a pratical use for it but wasting XP.

[Urpriest]

Many DMs would get mad at you for combining Domain Wizard and Elven Generalist, since they "trade out the same feature" in some non-RAW sense. Others would ask about your interpretation of Spontaneous Divination, and whether it is restricted to the Wizard list.

[Aracor]

I'd never allow domain wizard, simply because there's no disadvantage to it other than not specializing. But when you suddenly get as many spells per day as you would for specializing anyway...No. Wizards are powerful enough already.

[Manateee]

Rules-wise, Elf Generalist/Domain wizard and Martial Wizard/Spontaneous Divination are on shaky ground for sacrificing the same class features. I don't think either explicitly doesn't work, but I could see them being debated. Personally, I wouldn't run with the prior.

But it's really too much of a group-by-group issue to call from here. I've played in groups where a weird subrace with +2 to a mental stat was way out of line, and I've played in groups where Anthrobats and Dragonwrought Kobolds were the norm. Basically, look at what the other players are doing or talk to your GM, and design to whatever power level they're going for.

[Tr011]

I'd never allow domain wizard, simply because there's no disadvantage to it other than not specializing. But when you suddenly get as many spells per day as you would for specializing anyway...No. Wizards are powerful enough already.

Domain wizards have domain slots instead of specialization slots. This has two major disadvantages:

1. You are no specialist and thus don't qualify for A LOT of useful stuff.

2. You can't choose which spells to prepare in your domain slots. They are usually pretty crappy.

-oh and I wouldn't allow this Elven generalist/domain using. It sounds to me just like you read the rules intentionally wrong to your advantage and turn off your healthy common sense. I think even RAW should have something against it.

[Diarmuid]

I'll add my support to the theory that you cant sacrifice the same class ability more than once for an ACF.

[Chronos]

Oh, and you're also only one feat away from being able to cast 9th-level spells. That's probably also a clue that you're doing something overpowered.

[FMArthur]

As ungentlemanly as it is to be playing a wizard already, there's no need to take further unsporting advantage here and I'd advise against it even if the DM doesn't know to houserule the combination as incompatible.

But they do work together by the rules. One of them says you give up the ability to specialize, and the other simply says that you must not have chosen to specialize.

[Tyndmyr]

I'd never allow domain wizard, simply because there's no disadvantage to it other than not specializing. But when you suddenly get as many spells per day as you would for specializing anyway...No. Wizards are powerful enough already.

There is...domain slots are only useful for domain spells. Specialist school slots are rather more flexible, and thus, valuable.

[Need_A_Life]

I was making a new wizard build and i ended up with :

Sun elf
Elf Generalist
Domain Wizard
Fighter bonus feats
Spontaneous divination

Would a DM say no to that ?

Considering that at level 5 with this thing i end up with
5/6/4/4 as spells per dayI'd let it fly with two comments:
1) Domain Wizard is just weird.
2) If you're willing to drop Fighter Bonus Feats, you can get Eidetic Wizard, giving you Spell Mastery for all of your spells. Combined with Uncanny Foresight, you've just turned yourself into a spontanous spellcaster. Spontaneous divination even qualifies you for Versatile Spellcaster for even more spell slot shuffling.

I should probably mention that I enjoy players optimizing every little bit they can (although silly RAW interpretations don't fly for very long*), because it means I don't need to worry about silly details like Challenge Ratings all that much. :smallbiggrin:

* Read: Unless it's funny and isn't bothering anyone**.
** I am someone.

[Chronos]

There is...domain slots are only useful for domain spells. Specialist school slots are rather more flexible, and thus, valuable.True, but most of the spells in, say, the Conjuration domain are things I'd want to have prepared at least once a day, anyway. If I want some other conjuration spell, too, I can just use a regular slot for it.

Now, I'll grant that you occasionally might not want, say, Summon Monster IV, so there is some drawback. It's still a much smaller drawback than cutting off access to two entire schools. Especially if your DM will also let you combine it with elf generalist. Personally, I'd ban both, together or separately.