Why carry the carpet?

[torugo]

I noticed Rich wants to make it implicit that that carpet is on their hands. We all know why...its because that carpet is the ticket for the linear guild to find them and I think that plan will only works because the laws of drama.

Think about it. They cant use the carpet in the windy cannyon as it is...windy. So what does Haley usually do with itens that are unused? Put it in the bag of holding.

So if the carpet is in the bag of holding, it is supposed to be in like...another dimension? So what happens if the linear guild teleports to the carpet in the bag of holding? They stay in the bag of holding trapped.

As it would be horrible for drama to end the magnificent plan of Tarkin in such manner, the carpet is transported around by the kobold, which could be much more useful with the weapons at hand as is the rest of the order....

[Math_Mage]

This is a good point. However, I don't think LG's plan is to teleport to the mark, only to track it. It is possible that a wizard could develop a mark that could be tracked from inside a bag of holding; it seems like a very useful invention, for the very reason you describe.

[Roland Itiative]

Maybe the carpet simply doesn't fit in a Bag of Holding? I mean, they're supposed to be bigger on the inside, but the opening should still have a limited size, so really big items wouldn't fit, and even rolled up, the carpet's dimensions are sill bigger than a regular bag's. It's not in RAW, but it's a sensible house rule.

[Math_Mage]

Maybe the carpet simply doesn't fit in a Bag of Holding? I mean, they're supposed to be bigger on the inside, but the opening should still have a limited size, so really big items wouldn't fit, and even rolled up, the carpet's dimensions are sill bigger than a regular bag's. It's not in RAW, but it's a sensible house rule.

Being unable to stuff a rolled-up carpet into a Bag of Holding because its dimensions are too big defies intuition. It's only long in one dimension; shove it in lengthwise, should be no problem.

[blazingshadow]

they carry the carpet because they are going on a picnic and want to invite Draketooth with it

[cloudland]

Haley put Roy's Armor/Corpse into it before, so it's probably not because the opening is too small. I'm guessing they are carrying it because they might need it at short moment notice. I'm not sure if the wind can block flying by the carpet, but if they are not using it, it's probably the case. So that means the carpet might have other function available to them that might be useful when combat arise.

[psijac]

Same reason the cat is ridding on its head because it visually coveys the right emotion: Mostly harmless

[BaronOfHell]

Haley put Roy's Armor/Corpse into [red][a back of holding][/font] before, so it's probably not because the opening is too small.
At what strip did this happen?

[Grendus]

I don't remember. She did have a bunch of carts (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0198.html) in them though, so the size issue probably doesn't matter as much as you would think. I'm voting for Rich/OOtS just not thinking of putting it in the bag of holding.

[Shale]

If they need to make a quick escape (say, in the event of something going "KRAKOOM!"), the carpet is their only option. Best not to have to fish around in a bag of holding for it.

[Manga Shoggoth]

Haley put Roy's Armor/Corpse into it before, so it's probably not because the opening is too small. I'm guessing they are carrying it because they might need it at short moment notice. I'm not sure if the wind can block flying by the carpet, but if they are not using it, it's probably the case. So that means the carpet might have other function available to them that might be useful when combat arise.

Nitpick: Haley planned on putting Roy's Corpse in a bag of holding. belkar objected on the hrounds that putting it in might trigger the Mark of Justice if the alternate dimension was considered to be effectively more than the proscribed distance he had to be from Roy.

Granted, if Haley planned to do it then the mouth of the bag should have been big enough.

Edit: I must be bored after doing the household accounts... I'm referring to 537: What Do You Think Comes in a Disguise Kit, Anyway? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0537.html) - 3rd panel. Not that I need an excuse to trot through the archives, of course.

[Michaeler]

If the kobold snaps out of his control then he's not holding his weapons?

[fergo]

It smells like Febreze (http://www.febreze.co.uk/index.htm) and they just can't resist keeping it close?

[Dr.Epic]

I noticed Rich wants to make it implicit that that carpet is on their hands. We all know why...its because that carpet is the ticket for the linear guild to find them and I think that plan will only works because the laws of drama.

Think about it. They cant use the carpet in the windy cannyon as it is...windy. So what does Haley usually do with itens that are unused? Put it in the bag of holding.

So if the carpet is in the bag of holding, it is supposed to be in like...another dimension? So what happens if the linear guild teleports to the carpet in the bag of holding? They stay in the bag of holding trapped.

As it would be horrible for drama to end the magnificent plan of Tarkin in such manner, the carpet is transported around by the kobold, which could be much more useful with the weapons at hand as is the rest of the order....

That...does...make much sense. If they were going to teleport anywhere, why not teleport to Elan, or any other member of the Order. Or even Yukyuk. Why would they pick an inanimate object as opposed to one of the people they're tracking?

[Chantelune]

Bag of holdings send objects into a demi-plane, so the LG wouldn't be able to teleport to it unless teleportation allow transportation to another plane. And even if they manage, they might not find the exit before they ran out of oxygen.

That said, bags of holding have a limited capacity anyway and we don't know how many items Haley stored in hers, though I remember her saying she got at least three. I somehow doubt she managed to fill all of them fully, though it might depends on the capacity of her bags.

As for the need to keep the carpet at hand in case of urgent escape need, I guess Haley don't have the Heward's handy haversack that allow to always get the wanted item first. Or it don't have enough space remaining to store it.

[Math_Mage]

They're not planning to teleport to the mark. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0822.html)


"The flying carpet I gave your brother has a tiny rune stitched on the underside. With the right spell, it should be child's play to track Elan."

Which makes a lot more sense, because how would they even know when would be the appropriate moment to teleport?

[Gift Jeraff]

Haley might have filled them when she robbed the prison for Roy and Belkar's equipment (it goes without say she stole more than just that). I'm also guessing she robbed the palace when she and V freed the slaves.

Also, would taking the time to put down the carpet and pull out his crossbows buy V extra time to recast Dominate Person before he can shoot anyone? At the very least, it would alert the rest of the party that he shook off the spell and get them ready to incapacitate him.

It could also be a way of humiliating Yukyuk (by treating him like a servant) without offending the Good members of the party.

[Orzel]

Perhaps there's a naked princess inside the carpet.

There are looking for Girard afterall.

[Tulya]

Because it forwards the plot, as above, is the obvious out-of-story answer. It doesn't make particular sense in-story, though - Haley shoves objects as massive as a cart into her bags of holding, and she has several. "A girl can never have too much extradimensional space." (paraphrasing)
The one destroyed by YukYuk earlier might have also been intended to justify the lack of its use, though it fails to in terms of presenting a lack of available ED space.

Maybe it's Haley's particular punishment for destroying her bag? You broke it, you carry items that would have gone into its extradimensional space.

[Gift Jeraff]

Because it forwards the plot, as above, is the obvious out-of-story answer. It doesn't make particular sense in-story, though - Haley shoves objects as massive as a cart into her bags of holding, and she has several. "A girl can never have too much extradimensional space." (paraphrasing)
The one destroyed by YukYuk earlier might have also been intended to justify the lack of its use, though it also fails to in terms of presenting a lack of available ED space.

Maybe it's Haley's particular punishment for destroying her bag? You broke it, you carry items that would have gone into its extradimensional space.It wasn't destroyed, Belkar put everything back in it (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0809.html). Except he and Roy's equipment, which I now realize means there should be room now if there wasn't before.

[Tulya]

It wasn't destroyed, Belkar put everything back in it (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0809.html). Except he and Roy's equipment, which I now realize means there should be room now if there wasn't before.

Bah, faulty memory. Someone should make a patch for that.

[snikrept]

Hmm that bit about carrying the carts in the bag of holding has me wondering... if the carts fit in there why didn't the loot itself fit in there?

I guess a bunch of carts and donkeys is significantly less weight than a bunch of gold? And if so, seems like the cart would break down

[Goosefarble]

As it would be horrible for drama to end the magnificent plan of Tarkin in such manner, the carpet is transported around by the kobold, which could be much more useful with the weapons at hand as is the rest of the order....

I don't see what some carpet antics have to do with crushing the Rebel Alliance and ruling the Galaxy with an iron fist.

[Tulya]

Hmm that bit about carrying the carts in the bag of holding has me wondering... if the carts fit in there why didn't the loot itself fit in there?

I guess a bunch of carts and donkeys is significantly less weight than a bunch of gold? And if so, seems like the cart would break down

They already had the mounts at that time. They just store them in Mount Parking (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0173.html) off-screen while not in use.

And yeah, gold is extremely heavy for the same volume, and bags of holding are limited by both its internal dimensions and maximum weight capacity.

Edit:
Bah again, I say. They tied the horses up that time. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0175.html)

[ti'esar]

I don't see what some carpet antics have to do with crushing the Rebel Alliance and ruling the Galaxy with an iron fist.

He'll never be able to locate the Rebel Base without the tracking device on it, naturally.

[hoff]

He'll never be able to locate the Rebel Base without the tracking device on it, naturally.

Obviously all he needs is to send drones to the various locations suspected of being rebel bases. And by drones I mean red shirt guards with a sending scroll to use right before they are killed.

[Soylent Dave]

Nitpick: Haley planned on putting Roy's Corpse in a bag of holding. belkar objected on the hrounds that putting it in might trigger the Mark of Justice if the alternate dimension was considered to be effectively more than the proscribed distance he had to be from Roy.

Granted, if Haley planned to do it then the mouth of the bag should have been big enough.

Edit: I must be bored after doing the household accounts... I'm referring to 537: What Do You Think Comes in a Disguise Kit, Anyway? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0537.html) - 3rd panel. Not that I need an excuse to trot through the archives, of course.

I'm going to outnitpick your nitpick with http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0468.html - in which Haley first suggests putting Roy in the bag of holding (and Belkar originally objects)

(but I don't know why I'm doing that. OCD or something, probably)

[Manga Shoggoth]

I'm going to outnitpick your nitpick with http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0468.html - in which Haley first suggests putting Roy in the bag of holding (and Belkar originally objects)

(but I don't know why I'm doing that. OCD or something, probably)

Well spotted - Now we can take our pick on nits!

(Actually, this is the one I was thinking of originally. When I dug out the other strip I was sure that Belkar was much more emphatic about it, but put it down to my failing memory.)

[Holy_Knight]

If they need to make a quick escape (say, in the event of something going "KRAKOOM!"), the carpet is their only option. Best not to have to fish around in a bag of holding for it.
This makes sense.

[Forbiddenwar]

If they need to make a quick escape (say, in the event of something going "KRAKOOM!"), the carpet is their only option. Best not to have to fish around in a bag of holding for it.

Second vote for this explanation. While there is strict limits on what a bag of holding can contain in terms of weight and size, it's clear they are being ignored for funny. But retrieving a specific item from a bag takes a full round action normally. And that is when it contains no more than 60 lbs of material (the max) Who knows how long it takes to retrieve a specific item in the mess Haley has in hers. But having YukYuk drop the carpet is a free action. That makes all the difference in the world.

[Oakianus]

If they need to make a quick escape (say, in the event of something going "KRAKOOM!"), the carpet is their only option. Best not to have to fish around in a bag of holding for it.

It's been known to happen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W-mpUPWSBU)

[Killer Angel]

Why would they pick an inanimate object as opposed to one of the people they're tracking?

I suppose it's related to the fact that a sentient target got a ST Vs scrying.