Will Durkon raise the Draketooths?

[Flame of Anor]

He really should, and Vaarsuvius should pay for it. If they have the chance, it would be criminal not to. But I'm afraid it's barely too late for raise dead--if, as has been calculated, it's been 16 days since the familicide and Durkon is 13th-15th level. So the question becomes: how many diamonds can they scrounge up for resurrection material components? I have a sinking feeling they don't have enough with them for even one, after the whole thing with Roy's resurrection...

[Math_Mage]

There's no rush. With Resurrection involved, she has at least the Draketooths' natural lifespan to acquire the GP necessary. Seems like the sort of 'penance' mission a Neutral character turning Good would embark on, so it depends on where V's character is headed from here. I don't think it overly likely, though.

EDIT: There's also the possibility that there's some kind of anti-Resurrection clause involved. I hate epic spells.

[Chess Tyrant]

Panel 4. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html)Assuming the other Draketooths make a point of marrying people with significant fortunes to steal, and considering what Girard's own wealth index must look like, there's a good chance the Draketooth's own treasure horde can pay for their resurrections. And there's bound to be at least one 5000-gp diamond there, if not a scroll of Resurrection, so they can certainly raise Girard himself, if he's dead at all.

[t209]

How about Time Travel? V Should have tweak Familicide into direct PURE DRAGON BLOOD LINE! (Not Dragonborns, Half Dragons, Pure Dragons).
I thought little draketooth would go "BOO!"

[The Derider]

An interesting proposition... possible, certainly. The Draketooths are high level mages, there is no reason to believe that with their wealth-to-level you could not find diamonds in the Draketooth complex. At least one, to raise the highest level character in the joint who would be most able to help deal with such things. V had a point about going to the Elemental Plane of Earth and grabbing diamonds from there. Hell, if you really wanted to, you could cheat with Major Creation. I'm sure the Chaotic Draketooths wouldn't mind that...

But for all we know, Famillicide keeps them Forever Dead, Forever and Ever and Ever. That's what I'd be worried about.

[Flame of Anor]

There's no rush. With Resurrection involved, she has at least the Draketooths' natural lifespan to acquire the GP necessary. Seems like the sort of 'penance' mission a Neutral character turning Good would embark on, so it depends on where V's character is headed from here. I don't think it overly likely, though.

That's true, but there is also the consideration that it would be really great to have them on the Order's side fighting Xykon.


EDIT: There's also the possibility that there's some kind of anti-Resurrection clause involved. I hate epic spells.

Ugh, I hope not.


Panel 4. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html)Assuming the other Draketooths make a point of marrying people with significant fortunes to steal, and considering what Girard's own wealth index must look like, there's a good chance the Draketooth's own treasure horde can pay for their resurrections. And there's bound to be at least one 5000-gp diamond there, if not a scroll of Resurrection, so they can certainly raise Girard himself, if he's dead at all.

Oh, now that's a good point. They can't raise Girard if he's dead of old age, but they could raise a couple each day once Durkon recovers spells, if he prepares Resurrection in both slots.

[Psyren]

If there's any way of undoing it... maybe Haerta knows how?

Not holding out much hope. Even if Durkon was to rez one... where would he start? Which one is Orrin?

[One Skunk Todd]

Also there's always the possibility that none of them would want to be raised.

[Gift Jeraff]

If they found out who killed them, I doubt they'd accept. Getting resurrected in the same room as my genocidal murderer and his/her allies, and we can only be brought back one-by-one so they can outnumber us? I probably wouldn't risk it.

[Math_Mage]

That's true, but there is also the consideration that it would be really great to have them on the Order's side fighting Xykon.

To acquire the materials and spells to do a significant number of Draketooths would require time far beyond what the Order can spare in an explicit race to the Gate with none of the foreseen guardian illusions. As an immediate priority, this is wildly impractical. That's why I shifted to the idea of a post-plot penance quest.

[Flame of Anor]

If they found out who killed them, I doubt they'd accept. Getting resurrected in the same room as my genocidal murderer and his/her allies, and we can only be brought back one-by-one so they can outnumber us? I probably wouldn't risk it.

Okay, for one thing: why would they tell them? For another, what are they going to do? Kill them? Oh wait, they're already dead.


To acquire the materials and spells to do a significant number of Draketooths would require time far beyond what the Order can spare in an explicit race to the Gate with none of the foreseen guardian illusions. As an immediate priority, this is wildly impractical. That's why I shifted to the idea of a post-plot penance quest.

As Chess Tyrant pointed out, there's probably a lot of treasure--likely including gems--there already.

[Rowan Mikaio]

Okay, for one thing: why would they tell them? For another, what are they going to do? Kill them? Oh wait, they're already dead.

I'd like to point out that the black dragon was already dead, too. V still managed to cast familicide. There are plenty of awful things to be done to a dead soul if you're of a high enough level to do it.

[Math_Mage]

As Chess Tyrant pointed out, there's probably a lot of treasure--likely including gems--there already.

How many Resurrections can Durkon cast per day? OotS MIGHT be able to afford wasting an hour. There's no way they can waste a whole day, let alone the total amount of time required to resurrect all the Draketooths present (and that's probably not all of them, either).

[Knight13]

Hell, if you really wanted to, you could cheat with Major Creation
Actually, you can't. The description of Minor Creation and Major Creation states that trying to use created objects as spell components causes the spell to fail.

[The Derider]

Actually, you can't. The description of Minor Creation and Major Creation states that trying to use created objects as spell components causes the spell to fail.

Huh, I looked that up and screwed up that reading completely. But I bet some magic jiggery-pokery from some very creative mages could work.

[Chess Tyrant]

How many Resurrections can Durkon cast per day? OotS MIGHT be able to afford wasting an hour. There's no way they can waste a whole day, let alone the total amount of time required to resurrect all the Draketooths present (and that's probably not all of them, either).

Well, if they get a chance, they'll at least raise Girard. Depending on the levels of the rest of the clan, he might be the only one who really matters.

[Flame of Anor]

How many Resurrections can Durkon cast per day? OotS MIGHT be able to afford wasting an hour. There's no way they can waste a whole day, let alone the total amount of time required to resurrect all the Draketooths present (and that's probably not all of them, either).

It's two. And I doubt a seventh-level cleric spell slot is going to do more against Xykon than a wizard ally. :smallconfused:

[Orzel]

He could use Dragonballs. They all died from a single act after all.

[Morgan Wick]

There's no rush. With Resurrection involved, she has at least the Draketooths' natural lifespan to acquire the GP necessary.

I think there's a far more urgent time constraint here...

[Templarkommando]

I had something vaguely similar come up in a campaign I've been playing for a few years. Our party rogue killed a stable master and my fighter (who is basically a pally in terms of attitude) paid to have him rezzed. At that level, you're seriously hampering the equipment your party will have available if you suddenly hock all of your stuff to pay for rezzes. What i'm thinking would be wise in this situation, is to raise any plot-central characters (Girard for example,) immeadiately, and try to raise any others after the immediate threat of Xykon, Redcloak, and company is gone and funding permits.

[elvnsword]

Okay, for one thing: why would they tell them? For another, what are they going to do? Kill them? Oh wait, they're already dead.



As Chess Tyrant pointed out, there's probably a lot of treasure--likely including gems--there already.

They wouldn't have to tell them. These people are in the afterlife a place already shown to have nothing to do but actively watch events on earth, and visit with the long dead relatives of days gone by.

If someone went to resurrect you you'd know who...

[Quild]

How many Resurrections can Durkon cast per day? OotS MIGHT be able to afford wasting an hour. There's no way they can waste a whole day, let alone the total amount of time required to resurrect all the Draketooths present (and that's probably not all of them, either).
It remains me when I was playing World of Warcraft. We were forty in raids, and it happened (a lot) that everybody dies. Some of us who had resurrection spells could resurrect others. So the whole group was quicly resurrected.

It would be smart to raise a Draketooth with some divine symbol, and find the several priests there may be. Still have to find diamonds before that, and to prepare the spells, it so may took a few hours which I doubt they have.


I can't see why the Draketooth wouldn't want to be reurrected.

[dehro]

they can certainly raise Girard himself, if he's dead at all.
do they want that? the only reason to do so is for his help against xykon..I kinda doubt they'd get it whilst sitting on a pile of corpses made of his family.
he's more likely to go Terminator on them as soon as he wakes up and notices what's happened.

[fergo]

How about Time Travel? V Should have tweak Familicide into direct PURE DRAGON BLOOD LINE! (Not Dragonborns, Half Dragons, Pure Dragons).


I don't want to start another morality dicussion, but I like to think that if V. went back in time now (especially after this strip) s/he wouldn't use the spell at all. Sure, in the heat of the moment, mad on power and with a desperate urge to avenge what happened to his/her family, I can see why s/he did it... but why would she possibly go back in time and then do almost exactly the same thing again?

[MReav]

How about Time Travel? V Should have tweak Familicide into direct PURE DRAGON BLOOD LINE! (Not Dragonborns, Half Dragons, Pure Dragons).
I thought little draketooth would go "BOO!"

An epic level spell requires 9000 GP x the Spellcraft cost of the spell and takes 1 day per 50000 GP to research. V did not have the time to tweak the spell.

[t209]

I am not saying that they should be revived, what I mean is that which person should OOTS revive for the story if they have all the requirements of Resurrection spell and all of them are willing to live? Here's the list of the clan members (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0841.html)...
Orrin Draketooth- We'll learn about his attitude towards abandoning his wife.
Orrin's daughter (probably Red headed one)- learn more about her motherless life (plus she's hot)
Patriarch or Matriarch of the clan (The armored dude and old lady)- History of the clan (old enough and probably their reverence to Girard).
Which one should you choose?

[fergo]

Huh? We only know two Draketooths by name :smallconfused:.

Also, I may have my timing wrong, but wouldn't Orrin's daughter be somewhere around ten by this point?

[t209]

Huh? We only know two Draketooths by name :smallconfused:.

Also, I may have my timing wrong, but wouldn't Orrin's daughter be somewhere around ten by this point?

I think it's fifteen.

[Gift Jeraff]

Orrin and Penelope met 15 years ago. If she was conceived around the same time, that makes her 14 and some change. EDIT: I'm trying to ignore the notion that a 3 week old mummy of a teenage stick figure is hot...

[skaddix]

Simple U bring back the most powerful members whoever they happen to be. Start with the strongest and work your way down.

[Steward]

I don't want to start another morality dicussion, but I like to think that if V. went back in time now (especially after this strip) s/he wouldn't use the spell at all. Sure, in the heat of the moment, mad on power and with a desperate urge to avenge what happened to his/her family, I can see why s/he did it... but why would she possibly go back in time and then do almost exactly the same thing again?

She might be a sociopath.

(I mean, I don't think so, and I really don't think that, as dark as she can get, she would have done that without the corrupting influence of Haerta and the rest though.)

[jmucchiello]

The thing to remember about resurrection in D&D is that the soul has to be willing to return to life. 90% of souls won't be willing. They are in their afterlife and most of them are together. It is only the restless spirits that would hear the call of resurrection and answer it. Those "restless spirits" usually were adventurers in life. That's why Roy would be willing to give up paradise. In that perspective, only Girard (and given the spells he could cast Orrin) might answer the call of resurrection.

The second problem with resurrection is the 5,000 gp in diamonds needed. Just because the Draketooths have wealth stolen from all around them doesn't mean it isn't hidden behind traps and illusions. The party has little time to screw around searching for it.

And, does Durkon have resurrection prepared today?

[Flame of Anor]

They wouldn't have to tell them. These people are in the afterlife a place already shown to have nothing to do but actively watch events on earth, and visit with the long dead relatives of days gone by.

If someone went to resurrect you you'd know who...

But they probably weren't hanging around in the scry-possible antechamber as they hadn't left any Blood Oaths unfulfilled (AFAWK). They wouldn't know who killed them if they had--no one was talking about it. Unless they scried "the person who killed me"...the epic bonuses might make that feasible despite the penalties for scrying someone you've never heard of.

[JCarter426]

And, does Durkon have resurrection prepared today?
I vote for he dinnae prepare it today, assuming the possibility isn't ruled out for a number of reasons, such as lack of diamonds or that the Draketeeth might not be willing or able to help anyway.

[Yuki Akuma]

She might be a sociopath.

(I mean, I don't think so, and I really don't think that, as dark as she can get, she would have done that without the corrupting influence of Haerta and the rest though.)

There was no corrupting influence. None. It's specifically pointed out by the IFCC that all of V's actions were entirely his own doing. She has no one to blame but itself.

[cloudland]

Bring back someone who is a cleric with spell level 7 who probably have Resurrect, and someone who is a wizard with spell level 7 who might have plane shift. Plane shift with Durkon to the earth plane, dig to get loads of diamond, then go back and resurrect everyone, starting with other cleric with spell level 7 first.

[Flame of Anor]

Here's the list of beef jerkeys (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0841.html)...

That's about the most insensitive thing I've seen on this forum that wasn't in the middle of a flamewar thread. :smallannoyed:

[t209]

That's about the most insensitive thing I've seen on this forum that wasn't in the middle of a flamewar thread. :smallannoyed:

already changed it to Clan members.

[AlfredAmeoba]

Or the ICC totalled up the time that V had been currently spliced, then used that time frame to control him/her to fire off the familicide, thus openning the gate. Thats going a bit far, though.

Also, I think the epic necromancy spell could be easily powerful enough to make a resurrection fail. Even it if says you can raise people killed by death effects, an unlimited range, no save family kill (one of those dragons would have rolled a 20) is in an entirely different weight class.

[Steward]

There was no corrupting influence. None. It's specifically pointed out by the IFCC that all of V's actions were entirely his own doing. She has no one to blame but itself.

I didn't mean to suggest that she was mindcontrolled or anything. I just think that having three of the most evil magicians whispering in your mind is going to corrupt you to a certain extent. If a bunch of kids can exert peer pressure, surely Haerta Bloodsoak, Ganonron, and whatshisface can do the same thing. I really don't think that Vaarsuvius in her normal, everyday state would have found the level of malice needed to murder tens of thousands of people just to prove some abstract point to a fallen foe. That's not to excuse what she did or push the blame on the spirits, but just to say that the stress of the situation as well as the presence of evil beings from the lower planes probably contributed to her decision making just a bit.

[t209]

I don't think that they won't be raised since they don't want to leave their family in afterlife. They're together in heaven now.

[Flame of Anor]

There was no corrupting influence. None. It's specifically pointed out by the IFCC that all of V's actions were entirely his own doing. She has no one to blame but itself.

I didn't mean to suggest that she was mindcontrolled or anything. I just think that having three of the most evil magicians whispering in your mind is going to corrupt you to a certain extent. If a bunch of kids can exert peer pressure, surely Haerta Bloodsoak, Ganonron, and whatshisface can do the same thing. I really don't think that Vaarsuvius in her normal, everyday state would have found the level of malice needed to murder tens of thousands of people just to prove some abstract point to a fallen foe. That's not to excuse what she did or push the blame on the spirits, but just to say that the stress of the situation as well as the presence of evil beings from the lower planes probably contributed to her decision making just a bit.

This, plus what the IFCC said about making V think s/he wasn't responsible for his/her actions.

[factotum]

Bring back someone who is a cleric with spell level 7 who probably have Resurrect, and someone who is a wizard with spell level 7 who might have plane shift.

How are they supposed to be able to figure out who's got those abilities, though? Plus, we don't know if *any* of the Draketooth clan have clerical abilities at all--they seem to generally be illusion specialists, and clerics don't get much in the way of those.

[slayerx]

From a story perspective, i was most interested in Orrin's daughter as I wanted to know how she feels about this whole clan thing like being taken away from her mother and all that... But that development is only really interesting if you have the rest of the clan for her to react with.

Though I do wonder if they can revive them. Yes Resurrection is supposed to be able to revive anyone, but what if familicide is too powerful or something? I mean if Penelope was a victim of the spell due to her direct relation to her daughter, could that mean that Tarquin did not raise her because he was unable too? Or is their another reason Tarquin did not raise her?


How are they supposed to be able to figure out who's got those abilities, though? Plus, we don't know if *any* of the Draketooth clan have clerical abilities at all--they seem to generally be illusion specialists, and clerics don't get much in the way of those.

True. I would start with one of the older looking members; they would know the most about how the place is run and would be able to help advise on how to proceed. they are also the members most likely to be of higher class level.

After reviving one of the older members, I would then want to revive a high level arcane caster from the group; namely one with a teleport spell... that way we could teleport to town and gather any resurrection scrolls or diamonds that we might need to revive the other clan members faster. After the teleporter, revive a cleric to aid in said resurrection process. From their it would simply be a case of reviving the most powerful members and working our way down.

I might also say that its possible that the draketooth's might have a stock pile of treasure and scrolls just in case one of their members died somehow...

[TheSummoner]

Girard himself is possible. He's the one known to be the most powerful so against Xykon he's their best bet. Failing that (he had already died of natural causes or just refuses to come back) I would pick a corpse who looked to have access to powerul magic and hope for the best. Even if they turn out to not be that strong, they might be able to point you to someone who is... Though time and resources might become an issue if you have to try three+ times...

[Ron Miel]

How many Resurrections can Durkon cast per day?


It's two.

I thought it was 3-4
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0286.html

[Gift Jeraff]

I thought it was 3-4
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0286.htmlRaise Dead is different from Resurrection.

[Steward]

Raise Dead is a lower level spell, and it cannot bring back someone who was killed by a death effect -- which I suspect 'Familicide' might be. Durkon does have access to Resurrection, however, which can. I'm not sure if he is high enough level to cast it multiple times per day though. It's a 7th level spell, so the earliest he can get it is 13th level. Class & Level Geekery thread probably has more information about Durkon's approximate level and from there you can probably figure out how many 7th (and possibly 8th) level spell slots he has.

[Flame of Anor]

Raise Dead is a lower level spell, and it cannot bring back someone who was killed by a death effect -- which I suspect 'Familicide' might be. Durkon does have access to Resurrection, however, which can. I'm not sure if he is high enough level to cast it multiple times per day though. It's a 7th level spell, so the earliest he can get it is 13th level. Class & Level Geekery thread probably has more information about Durkon's approximate level and from there you can probably figure out how many 7th (and possibly 8th) level spell slots he has.

That's where I got the 2 from. If he's 14th or 15th level, it's 2.

[Roland St. Jude]

Sheriff: Two threads on resurrecting the Draketooths merged.

[King of Nowhere]

tactically, prepare a resurrrection tomorrow and raise a draketooth to ask informations would be a sound strategy. and for 15ish level adventurers, traveling around with enough diamonds to resurrect a member of the party in case of needs is only sensible.
However, I'm not sure the draketooths would accept resurrection: not because they like the afterlife - they probably do, but they know they have to protect the gate - but because, if they got their paranoia from girard, they'll never accept resurrection from a stranger. especially after being killed mysteriously. they would suspect someone killed them, and then an accomplice is trying to resurrect them to enter into their good graces and get informations on the gate.
Fun fact: that would be totally true!

[Occasional Sage]

He could use Dragonballs. They all died from a single act after all.

Nonono, those are how you make NEW Draketooths, not fix the old ones!

[Sir Conkey]

Girard himself is possible. He's the one known to be the most powerful so against Xykon he's their best bet. Failing that (he had already died of natural causes or just refuses to come back)

When being raised you can see the alignment of whoever is trying to raise you if I'm not mistaken. Girard would see LAWFUL GOOD in big friendly letters...
And we know he's tried to kill (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html) Paladins before (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0695.html) (Specifically Soon, but he still set that explosion trap to go off on anyone affiliated with him, sooooo Paladins)

[Steward]

Nonono, those are how you make NEW Draketooths, not fix the old ones!

Ha!


and for 15ish level adventurers, traveling around with enough diamonds to resurrect a member of the party in case of needs is only sensible.

You're right, but the Order isn't exactly a well-oiled machine. They should be prepared for raise dead or resurrection, but they usually aren't unless they're planning to use it.

[Dracarot]

The thing to remember about resurrection in D&D is that the soul has to be willing to return to life. 90% of souls won't be willing. They are in their afterlife and most of them are together. It is only the restless spirits that would hear the call of resurrection and answer it. Those "restless spirits" usually were adventurers in life. That's why Roy would be willing to give up paradise. In that perspective, only Girard (and given the spells he could cast Orrin) might answer the call of resurrection.

The second problem with resurrection is the 5,000 gp in diamonds needed. Just because the Draketooths have wealth stolen from all around them doesn't mean it isn't hidden behind traps and illusions. The party has little time to screw around searching for it.

And, does Durkon have resurrection prepared today?

ANother thing to consider is they are aware of the alighnment and deity of who is trying to ressurect them.

How many Draketooths (who come from we can at least assume is a chaotically aligned patriarch in Girard (with guesses on the good and evil end on the spectrum being varried) would respond to being ressurected by a Lawful Good cleric of Thor, particularly when considering the questionable actions of people like Orrin.

[Yvanehtnioj]

A new topic to consider:

1) Could Haley and her dad be related to the Draketooths? I have been wondering.

2) If yes, then could it be possible that the Cloister (epic spell) on Haley prevented the Familicide spell from actively targeting her?

3) Also, Haley's dad was in prison, specifically an anti-magic prison. Perhaps that shielded her dad from the Familicide spell.

If so, then because the Familicide spell had a duration of Instantaneous, they would both be safe now.

This could mean that they are the only two Draketooths left, unless Girard really is that stone statue.

-Yvan

[t209]

A new topic to consider:

1) Could Haley and her dad be related to the Draketooths? I have been wondering.

2) If yes, then could it be possible that the Cloister (epic spell) on Haley prevented the Familicide spell from actively targeting her?

3) Also, Haley's dad was in prison, specifically an anti-magic prison. Perhaps that shielded her dad from the Familicide spell.

If so, then because the Familicide spell had a duration of Instantaneous, they would both be safe now.

This could mean that they are the only two Draketooths left, unless Girard really is that stone statue.

-Yvan
if she's related to draketooths, she would be dropped dead in Greysky City.
According to Rich, Haley is not related to Draketooths.

[B. Dandelion]

if she's related to draketooths, she would be dropped dead in Greysky City.
According to Rich, Haley is not related to Draketooths.

He said Haley wasn't one specific Draketooth, the daughter of Penelope and Orrin. As far-fetched as it is, he hasn't specifically quashed the theory she's related to them somehow, she's just not that particular person.

[Icedaemon]

How about Time Travel? V Should have tweak Familicide into direct PURE DRAGON BLOOD LINE! (Not Dragonborns, Half Dragons, Pure Dragons).
I thought little draketooth would go "BOO!"

That elf has nowhere near the power or skill to do that. Familicide was the epic spell of the most powerful soul spliced onto it. That elf had access to it, but a chance to modify an epic spell, with that intelligence? Ha, good luck.

[Ron Miel]

Epic magic can penetrate Cloister
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html

[BaronOfHell]

I'm no D&D player. I do however imagine that when it comes to epic magic vs. epic magic, it's important to consider what the spell does.

Cloister prevented all forms of certain types of magic, which completely blocked all non-epic spells. However it means a lot of its power is focused on a broad field. Meaning an epic spell which focuses on a single field, such as epic teleport, won't waste power at focusing on non important parts. While the cloister also waste power on non-teleport parts despite there being no such.

I imagine it's the same with familicide. The spell is epic, because it kills stuff like ABD en-mass without saving throw or without them been able to make the saving throw because every roll is too low. It means a lot of power goes to the killings stuff, which make me wonder how much epic magic was invested in the targetting part. If it was familicide which took out the draketooths, it means the scrying part also was epic, because it was able to target the unscryable draketooths. However since the draketooths might have been unscryable due to non-epic magic, cloister being epic would have more strength and might have been invisible for the targetting of familicide, which could mean immunity.

Regarding anti magic fields. I think there was a thread before where it was concluded that epic magic only has a percentage of success against an AMF. Despite it being a pretty high percentage, it mean that in principle, it's a save possible to make.

All in all, though I'm probably very wrong about the mechanics, from my point of view as it's currently, I'd say it's possible Haley could be a draketooth through her fathers side. Hopefully Ivy is un-harmed in that case!!

[Porthos]

When being raised you can see the alignment of whoever is trying to raise you if I'm not mistaken. Girard would see LAWFUL GOOD in big friendly letters...
And we know he's tried to kill (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html) Paladins before (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0695.html) (Specifically Soon, but he still set that explosion trap to go off on anyone affiliated with him, sooooo Paladins)
From the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#bringingBacktheDead):


Revivification against One’s Will
A soul cannot be returned to life if it does not wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and may refuse to return on that basis.

So while Lawful Good might be a problem, one would hope that "Durkon" and "Thor" wouldn't be as much of one. :smallwink:

[LazarX]

He could use Dragonballs. They all died from a single act after all.


But that kind of wish would mean bringing back the Dragon as well.

[homeosapiens]

1. Cast speak with the dead on one of the Draketooths. Possibly a cleric. Tell him that you need help defending Girard's Gate and want to ressurect the clan. Figure out with him who is who and who has acces to teleport, and ressurection or if there are any diamons near.

2. Ressurect, teleport for more scrolls, ressurect more- do this by Draketooth clerics. They shouldnt be opposed - everyone should be back soon.

3. Leave V out of it. If there is no other possibility - explain. Say sorry, no other idea.

4. Protect the Gate.

Guy in blue robe looks cleric to me.

[King of Nowhere]

1. Cast speak with the dead on one of the Draketooths. Possibly a cleric. Tell him that you need help defending Girard's Gate and want to ressurect the clan. Figure out with him who is who and who has acces to teleport, and ressurection or if there are any diamons near.

2. Ressurect, teleport for more scrolls, ressurect more- do this by Draketooth clerics. They shouldnt be opposed - everyone should be back soon.

3. Leave V out of it. If there is no other possibility - explain. Say sorry, no other idea.

4. Protect the Gate.

Guy in blue robe looks cleric to me.

Good plan. Problem is, it takes lot of time. Nale could appear at any time, andd Xykon too - in fact, Eugene should manifest to roy soon to tell him xykon and redcloak left azure city.

[Dungeonstone]

But that kind of wish would mean bringing back the Dragon as well.

Wish as written cannot undo that much on its own, especially after so much time has past since the inciting event.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm

~ Revive the dead. A wish can bring a dead creature back to life by duplicating a resurrection spell. A wish can revive a dead creature whose body has been destroyed, but the task takes two wishes, one to recreate the body and another to infuse the body with life again. A wish cannot prevent a character who was brought back to life from losing an experience level.

~ Undo misfortune. A wish can undo a single recent event. The wish forces a reroll of any roll made within the last round (including your last turn).

[Dungeonstone]

Eugene should manifest to roy soon to tell him xykon and redcloak left azure city.

Based upon previous experience, Eugene can only do that when Roy is either:

~Alone

or

~Everyone else is unconscious

[t209]

I don't think Resurrect will work since Tarquin would have resurrected Penelope if she died. I think Familicide also destroy their souls.

[Aaron]

Good plan. Problem is, it takes lot of time. Nale could appear at any time, andd Xykon too - in fact, Eugene should manifest to roy soon to tell him xykon and redcloak left azure city.

Speaking of which I've found it interesting that Eugene hasn't appeared to Roy yet since his resurrection. My guess is that either Eugene is unable to because he broke the rules when he appeared in azure city (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0292.html) (note panel 6) when the family sword was broken, or that Roy specified to ONLY (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0664.html)appear when Zykon is on the move.

[Dungeonstone]

I don't think Resurrect will work since Tarquin would have resurrected Penelope if she died. I think Familicide also destroy their souls.

Resurrection requires that the person being brought back actually wants to leave the afterlife of their chosen alignment and return to a world filled with conflict.

It has already been stated in the comic that the majority of people who die have no interest in coming back and that only the small percentage of people who take up the adventuring lifestyle (and have PC levels) are likely to want to be resurrected.

Even Lord Shojo didn't want to come back.

[RecklessFable]

The only reason PCs are so easily rezzed is that their players still want to play them.

In DnD, even a lot of evil creatures have decent "final reward" planes. Why leave and risked getting diverted from that?

[homeosapiens]

1. Tarquins wife probably didnt want to come back.

2. Tarquin didn't say anywhere that he tryed to bring her back. He strikes me as a man who would rather see this as a possibility for a new conquest(romantical). Reviving also involves expenses, and he notices gold in everything - even a spear.

3. If Familicide prevented ressurection or true ressurection V would probably stated it in 640.

[Flame of Anor]

1. Cast speak with the dead on one of the Draketooths. Possibly a cleric. Tell him that you need help defending Girard's Gate and want to ressurect the clan. Figure out with him who is who and who has acces to teleport, and ressurection or if there are any diamons near.

Wouldn't work. The speak with dead spell only contacts the body, not the soul.


It has already been stated in the comic that the majority of people who die have no interest in coming back and that only the small percentage of people who take up the adventuring lifestyle (and have PC levels) are likely to want to be resurrected.

Wait, where does it say that? :smallconfused:

[homeosapiens]

Not exacly true - it would work for informational purposes.

[Flame of Anor]

Not exacly true - it would work for informational purposes.

But the part where you tell them you want to defend the gate wouldn't work, as they can't learn anything while dead.

[Mr. Pants]

I don't think he can...the Draketooths don't like Durkon much...

[Math_Mage]

1. Tarquins wife probably didnt want to come back.

2. Tarquin didn't say anywhere that he tryed to bring her back. He strikes me as a man who would rather see this as a possibility for a new conquest(romantical). Reviving also involves expenses, and he notices gold in everything - even a spear.

3. If Familicide prevented ressurection or true ressurection V would probably stated it in 640.

And Tarquin may not have access to Resurrection. Nergal may not have 7ths, and the streets aren't exactly flooded with level 13+ divine casters.

[Kish]

Nergal is a god. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he can cast seventh-level spells.

Presumably you meant Malack. "Malack is a cleric of a death god and may be forbidden to cast resurrection spells" strikes me as a stronger case than "Malack hasn't been documented to have 7th-level spells, only 6th-level ones," especially now that Malack has been recruited as Durkon's evil opposite.