Azurite's blue hair and Elven Ancestary Connection

[t209]

Started by Gift Jeraff' (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12825763&postcount=817)s post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12825447&postcount=812) in 842 forum. In OOTS verse, Elves have hair color of variety of color (green, purple, white, blonde, pink and blue). Azurites have the same hair color as elves too. I am wonder if Azurites are descended from Elves and Human pairings since Hinjo mention that Elves were their old allies. I mean they could get the genes from the elves (Probably from Southern Orcs (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0555.html))

[Goosefarble]

Huh. I'd never thought of that, but it does actually sound kind of plausible. They are all pretty much shades of blue though, so on an artistic level it's probably just that - that and the fact that people in anime have crazy hair colours like blue an awful lot.

For personal canon's sake, however, I'm going to go with this theory.

[t209]

If my theory is Canon, Hinjo could be more like Aragorn since
According to Tolkien's unfinished tales, Aragorn had elf as an ancestor. The only thing that got right is from Ralph Bakshi version (the only one I watched)

[zimmerwald1915]

If my theory is Canon, Hinjo could be more like Aragorn since
According to Tolkien's unfinished tales, Aragorn had elf as an ancestor. The only thing that got right is from Ralph Bakshi version (the only one I watched)
You don't have to go into the Unfinished Tales. Aragorn being descended from Luthien is right there in the Lord of the Rings. What the stuff published after JRR's death reveals, and which, if I recall correctly, the Lord of the Rings does not, is that what makes Luthien's line special is that it descends from Melian.

May I ask you something? Across several posts you seem very dedicated to finding derivative elements, particularly, though not in this case, from the Elder Scrolls, in OOTS. Why is this?

[t209]

You don't have to go into the Unfinished Tales. Aragorn being descended from Luthien is right there in the Lord of the Rings. What the stuff published after JRR's death reveals, and which, if I recall correctly, the Lord of the Rings does not, is that what makes Luthien's line special is that it descends from Melian.

May I ask you something? Across several posts you seem very dedicated to finding derivative elements, particularly, though not in this case, from the Elder Scrolls, in OOTS. Why is this?
The 842 part is that I don't know any undead that is look-dead-but-will-get-up-and-kill-you-type dried up zombies.
Edit: If you are talking about Azurites refugees, I tried Nicaea and Trebizond for them (Nicaea was temporary refuge for Byzantines while Trebizond is permanent refugee since resistance were wiped out until someone said it was annexed by turks).
The only refugee comparison left for me is Solstheim
when argonians invaded Dark Elf homeland of morrowind.
Now let's get back to possibility of Azurites having Elven genes for their blue (or green) hair.

[Murray]

The hair color is probably due to contaminants in the food supply of the Azure region. Which could potentially mean Azurites have fewer spinal injuries (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/bluerats/)?

The elves probably get their funky hair color by eating candy for breakfast. Frickin elves. :smallannoyed:

[t209]

Here's the assortment of Hair color in Azurites (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html) (minus the blood of course).
P.S- All we need is Word of Giant to conform my theory if Azurites gain their assorted hair color from intermarrying with elves in the past.
According to travelogue (War and XPS)
5% of Azurites are half elves and the other 5% are Half orcs. Do you think Half Orc Azurites stranded swtich sides with Gobbotopia? They should have use the Half Orcs as soldiers or Barbarian shock troops.

[Occasional Sage]

Or they just dye their hair. Fashion and all that.

[/Occam]

[MesiDoomstalker]

Or they just dye their hair. Fashion and all that.

[/Occam]

Even simpler, Blue hair is a genetic trait that is unique to Azure City because it is recessive (and thus far less likely to appear in an Azurite/Non-Azurite pairing) but the standard in a population where all parents are recessive/recessive homozygous.

Curse my Genetics class! :smallmad:

[t209]

Even simpler, Blue hair is a genetic trait that is unique to Azure City because it is recessive (and thus far less likely to appear in an Azurite/Non-Azurite pairing) but the standard in a population where all parents are recessive/recessive homozygous.

Curse my Genetics class! :smallmad:

One possible Half-Azurites (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0256.html) (or azurite) here!

[MesiDoomstalker]

One possible Half-Azurites (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0256.html) (or azurite) here!

Given her clothing and hair, I'd say a transfer student from Azure City. But thats my guess.

[t209]

Given her clothing and hair, I'd say a transfer student from Azure City. But thats my guess.

Let's compare the skin (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0256.html) colors (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0303.html)
Edit: Is there any sources for Azurites from Rich, prequel, and War and XPs books?
Edit: How many generations does it take for a human to lose its elven traits after his/her ancestor had an offspring with an elf? (Both D&D and OOTS geneology).
According to the Draketooth ancestary (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0842.html), the half dragon's children lost all their traits of the dragons.

[Mr. Pants]

*shrugs* As far as I know elves can have any colored-hair they please...even rainbow if they wanted...:smalltongue:

[t209]

*shrugs* As far as I know elves can have any colored-hair they please...even rainbow if they wanted...:smalltongue:

Since elves can have any colored hair, they might intermarry with Azurites which passed the genes of having blue hair or any colored hair.
What is difference between Half Elves (the usual D&D one) and Human with elf grandfather (like Elderscroll's bretons or LOTR Aragorn).

[Othesemo]

As an alternative explanation, perhaps Rich made an artistic decision to make Azure City as blue as possible? For example, just about every building in the city is blue. Now, to my knowledge, there aren't too many common, cheap building materials that are also blue. Thus, I assume that either such a material was created by Rich for the express purpose of having Azure City be an azure city, or that the folks in the city just paint everything blue for tourism. If the former is true, I see no reason to not also assume that Azurites have blue hair simply because just about everything in Azure City is blue. If the latter is true, we can similarly assume that Azurites just dye their hair.

Besides, what conceivable plot significance could this have? There are, what, four Azurites alive right now (not counting the nobles who fled)? If any of them have elven ancestry (which wouldn't surprise me, given that human's propensity for breeding outside their species is well-documented (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0843.html)), it is clearly insignificant- they're all human, and they appear to have absolutely no traits relating to elven ancestry (including, but not limited to a lack of bonuses to dexterity, a lack of penalties to constitution, the lack of keener senses, the lack of pointy ears, or heck, the lack of every conceivable elven trait that could be genetic). How could the species of their great-great grandfather conceivably be important enough for Rich to reveal it in comic (or, for that matter, even think about it)?

Incidentally, on the subject of genetics- even if blue hair is a dominant trait in elves (unlikely, since we've seen very few elves with blue hair), it is highly unlikely that it would be the only elven trait expressed out of thousands of people with elven ancestry. For that matter, it is highly unlikely that it would even be expressed by more than, say, half of the population of Azure city.

[fergo]

Besides, what conceivable plot significance could this have? There are, what, four Azurites alive right now (not counting the nobles who fled)?

But pointless speculation is fun! :smalltongue:



There are, what, four Azurites alive right now (not counting the nobles who fled)?

And the ones V. transported to the abandoned island. And the ones dropped off at other southern nations. And the ones slaves to the goblins. And any that may have been outside of the city when it fell. And the (possible) Azure City exchange student mentioned above. And the ones working at the Azure restaurant Eugene got Master Fryon food from in SoD.... and so on.

[Morty]

It's not impossible, but we've seen no proof and it's not particularily relevant one way or another - besides, if it was, it'd have come up earlier before the Azurites as a nation left the story. So, no. I don't think the Azurites have any significant elven ancestry.

[t209]

it is clearly insignificant- they're all human, and they appear to have absolutely no traits relating to elven ancestry (including, but not limited to a lack of bonuses to dexterity, a lack of penalties to constitution, the lack of keener senses, the lack of pointy ears, or heck, the lack of every conceivable elven trait that could be genetic). How could the species of their great-great grandfather conceivably be important enough for Rich to reveal it in comic (or, for that matter, even think about it)?
But what if the Half Elves intermarry with Humans? Maybe their offspring will be humans, which eliminated their constitution penalty (and pointy ear).

[Morty]

Maybe. It's possible, since I don't think there're any rules about half-breeds breeding with their parents' races. But what's the point? It's not like it affects anything that has happened so far and there has been precisely one half-elf character in the entire story.

[Othesemo]

Maybe. I accept the possibility that Azurites might, by some bizarre coincidence, all might be descended from a blue-haired elf. Not that I consider it at all likely, mind you. I could just as easily posit that Haley is descended from a Fire Genasi (red hair and all).

What I question is why on earth Rich would feel compelled to make a point of it. Clearly their elven blood is so diluted that it has no effect on their physiology, beyond hair color. No azurite has even mentioned being descended from elves, and their architecture has no elven aspects. I don't see what possible impact them having such ancestry would have on the story, and so I don't see why Rich would bother with it- especially if he never intended to reveal it in-comic (at least, not within 500 strips of Azure City's introduction).

[t209]

Maybe. I accept the possibility that Azurites might, by some bizarre coincidence, all might be descended from a blue-haired elf. Not that I consider it at all likely, mind you. I could just as easily posit that Haley is descended from a Fire Genasi (red hair and all).

What I question is why on earth Rich would feel compelled to make a point of it. Clearly their elven blood is so diluted that it has no effect on their physiology, beyond hair color. No azurite has even mentioned being descended from elves, and their architecture has no elven aspects. I don't see what possible impact them having such ancestry would have on the story, and so I don't see why Rich would bother with it- especially if he never intended to reveal it in-comic (at least, not within 500 strips of Azure City's introduction).

Maybe after OOTS finished (or some point in the future), Rich could write Universe settings book that describes the backstory of the cities and universe.

[Fish]

Maybe the Munchkins of Emerald City are related to the people of Azure City. Think about it.

Plus, if you read "Order of the Stick" while listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" with the sound off, you'll start to see these weird and wacky conspiracy connections.

[t209]

Maybe the Munchkins of Emerald City are related to the people of Azure City. Think about it.

Plus, if you read "Order of the Stick" while listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" with the sound off, you'll start to see these weird and wacky conspiracy connections.

Maybe, Some Azurites do have Green hair.
Well, I got this idea from Bretons from Elder Scrolls. Bretons are humans descended from Elves and Human marriage (most of them have Ugly Backstory as Concubines and pleasure slaves). They gained magical affinity like the elves. Don't forget Bosmer (Half Elf with elven side), Elron, Pompey, Serini and Reachmen (Bretons with a bit of Nord and Orc blood in them). I know OOTS is not Elderscrolls but it give me an idea on how Azurites got their blue, green, and pink hair (Elven gene pool).

[Fish]

Or Rich drew Vaarsuvius in the first panel with magenta hair and was stuck with it.

Or Rich just wanted a way to tell different characters apart. Because they're stick figures.

[Dr.Epic]

You got to have blue hair. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouGottaHaveBlueHair):smallwink: