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Ryu_Bonkosi
2012-03-29, 11:07 PM
Ok, I have been working on something and I need a way to permanently get the 'Evil' subtype on a human without using the ritual of alignment. I have looked but haven't found anything worthy of note. So does anyone know a way to do this?
Particle_Man
2012-03-30, 12:27 AM
Incarnate 20 (with evil alignment, of course)?
Thurbane
2012-03-30, 01:41 AM
I was going to recommend the Vasharan from BoVD, but I just checked, and they don't actually get the subtype...
Aeryr
2012-03-30, 01:49 AM
I asked that a few moons ago. There is a ritual in savage species.
Ryu_Bonkosi
2012-03-30, 02:01 AM
I asked that a few moons ago. There is a ritual in savage species.

I am fully aware of the ritual, but I am looking for a way that doesn't involve using it. Oh ye who doesn't read the op...


without using the ritual of alignment.
Jeraa
2012-03-30, 02:10 AM
As far as I know, there is no other way to gain the evil subtype, except that ritual, or being a 20th level incarnate (Magic of Incarnum).
Thurbane
2012-03-30, 02:18 AM
Divine Minion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a) template?
Igneel
2012-03-30, 02:18 AM
Its not a common known fact, but technically the Kaorti from Fiend Folio is a template that can be applied to humanoids that grants Outsider type and Evil Subtype for +2 LA, along with some nice boosts but lousy Material Weakness.
Ryu_Bonkosi
2012-03-30, 03:13 AM
Divine Minion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a) template?

That works, I am not familiar with this pantheon, can someone direct me to the book it's in or which ones are evil?
Frog Dragon
2012-03-30, 03:56 AM
Sebek is NE. Set is LE. They're in Forgotten Realms: Faiths and Pantheons
Thrice Dead Cat
2012-03-30, 04:47 AM
Its not a common known fact, but technically the Kaorti from Fiend Folio is a template that can be applied to humanoids that grants Outsider type and Evil Subtype for +2 LA, along with some nice boosts but lousy Material Weakness.

Technically, the Kaorti "template" is +2 HD and +2 LA. The +2 LA is possibly avoidable (LA-Buy Off), but the gained hit dice are there to stay. The silver lining is that said HD give all good saves, good BAB, and 8+INT for skills. The racial class skills aren't bad, either.
kardar233
2012-03-30, 06:39 AM
Technically, the Kaorti "template" is +2 HD and +2 LA. The +2 LA is possibly avoidable (LA-Buy Off), but the gained hit dice are there to stay. The silver lining is that said HD give all good saves, good BAB, and 8+INT for skills. The racial class skills aren't bad, either.

And you can keep a Kaorti Resin weapon around without having to use Shapechange shenanigans to keep the resin fresh. Big bonus if you're a critfisher.
Necroticplague
2012-03-30, 06:59 AM
Technically, the Kaorti "template" is +2 HD and +2 LA. The +2 LA is possibly avoidable (LA-Buy Off), but the gained hit dice are there to stay. The silver lining is that said HD give all good saves, good BAB, and 8+INT for skills. The racial class skills aren't bad, either.

You can get rid of RHD, it just requires some level drain being in your background (like being attacked by vampires).