City Creation

[White_Drake]

I'm looking for some good material on city building. I've wanted to start a campaign based on the game Thief for a while now, but I need a good city campaign setting first. I don't know where I ought to look, but the Dungeon Master's Guides I & II have proved to be sadly lacking in the areas of actually creating a city detailed enough for an adventure setting, rather than simply a glorified PC supply depot. While we're on the subject of cities, a little info on stronghold building from a player's perspective would be great too. I've never been able to find anything nearly as detailed as the old charts in the 2e DMG.

[Gavinfoxx]

How about Cityscape and the Web Enhancements?

Or any of the setting specific books that describe cities in detail?

[Saintheart]

Yeah, Waterdeep City of Splendours or Sharn City of Towers are very useful opportunities to crib big sections of premade city for your own uses.

[Cicciograna]

Dungeon Master's Guide has a terrific Web Enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20030719a) to help DMs build a city district by district.

EDIT: moreover, here (http://www.nzcomputers.net/heroforge/default35.asp) you'll find a great tool to build cities: just download the "Town Generator" by Andrew Trauger.