What does a Centaur Paladin get for a mount?

[gallagher]

does he get the bonuses of being his own mount? does he get some sort of divine rider with a lance? or would they get some form of glorified animal companion?

[Urpriest]

RAW, without ACFs? They get a "mount" that's basically an animal companion. Nothing requires you to ride your mount.

[gallagher]

RAW, without ACFs? They get a "mount" that's basically an animal companion. Nothing requires you to ride your mount.

what is the best kind of mount that one has no use for for riding?

OR in the alternative

Centaur Ashworm Dragoon. Manhorsesnake is mach cooler than manbearpig

[Kuulvheysoon]

I believe that Nobanion the Beast Lord has an ACF or two for Paladins, one of which makes you give up your mount.

Champions of Valor, for the curious.

[gorfnab]

I suggest trading out the Mount for the Charging Smite ACF from PHBII.

[Autopsibiofeeder]

... Nothing requires you to ride your mount.

And in the same vein: nothing stops you from riding your mount! Also, nothing stops your mount from riding you! :smallsmile:

Perhaps you can find a (huge) flying creature, or a medium sized creature that can be helpful in combat, while riding your back?

[Urpriest]

And in the same vein: nothing stops you from riding your mount! Also, nothing stops your mount from riding you! :smallsmile:

Perhaps you can find a (huge) flying creature, or a medium sized creature that can be helpful in combat, while riding your back?

One possibility: using Dragon Steed you could get a Gold, Silver, or Bronze Dragon with a humanoid Alternate Form, who could then ride you.

[Autopsibiofeeder]

One possibility: using Dragon Steed you could get a Gold, Silver, or Bronze Dragon with a humanoid Alternate Form, who could then ride you.

:smallbiggrin:. I always knew there was some merit to the Centaur Paladin build!

[Lonely Tylenol]

The OP should be set to cheesy '90s porn music.

(A Centaur Paladin should, as a mount, get another Centaur. Wink wink.)

[mattie_p]

I once considered a centaur kensai. Kensai requires ride skill. I wondered, then disregarded, the possibility of ride:self as a skill. That would have set up too many mounted combat feat shenanigans. But I considered it...

[shadow_archmagi]

As long as your centaur isn't too heavy, he can still ride a horse. It'll just look really weird.

...


Also, now I want to play a human paladin with incredible strength whose mount rides him into battle, balancing carefully atop his shoulders.

[Metahuman1]

I'd ask the Dm to let me make my Centaur Racial hit dice and Paladin Levels stack for ALL granted effects, and then make myself a Paladin of Liberty. Net +4 to Dex racial totally let's you dump that stat all together with the right gear, and the Wis Bonus combined with some manner of Item to boost wis Later in game allows for an almost garonteed use of Paladin spell casting to reasonable effect, and that's not terribly bad really, particularly if your DM allows you to skip mounted combat and ride by attack and jump straight to spirited charge, then take DMM: Persist to Persist some Paladin Buffs. Tack on Travel devotion, Power attack, Battle Blessing, A large lance in both hands, and a first level dip of Barbarian and an Item familiar to get rid of the LA with LA buyoff, and you've just optimized the paladin into something that's ok to play in a game were other players are using Tier 3 or 2 classes, maybe even T-1s if there not played to the hilt of there potential.

[Urpriest]

As long as your centaur isn't too heavy, he can still ride a horse. It'll just look really weird.

...


Also, now I want to play a human paladin with incredible strength whose mount rides him into battle, balancing carefully atop his shoulders.

There are size requirements on mounts, unfortunately. It's not all about weight.

But if you have a small mount (say a Dragon in alternate form) then yes it can ride a human.

[Malachei]

The OP should be set to cheesy '90s porn music.

(A Centaur Paladin should, as a mount, get another Centaur. Wink wink.)

Sweet text. :smallbiggrin:

[JCarter426]

My first thought was another centaur as well (gutter head). My next thought was a minotaur. Then I realized the minotaur would have to be riding the centaur. Then I got an idea for an awesome superhero duo/buddy cop story.

[shadow_archmagi]

There are size requirements on mounts, unfortunately. It's not all about weight.

But if you have a small mount (say a Dragon in alternate form) then yes it can ride a human.

Enlarge person on the Paladin, special mount is a Pony.

[AvocadoAvenger]

This whole thing is ultimately up to you (and your dm). It says in the book that you can have alternative animal companions, but you must work with your dm in order to get them approved. Because there is no paladin mount mechanic, you can have a mount of whatever you (and your dm) thinks most fitting.
What about a huge mount? A centaur would look silly riding something else of course, but I dont think there are any rules about needing to be humanoid to ride, just size categories; besides, centaurs are technically monstrous humanoids anyways.

[Rubik]

Use a sentient flying carpet.

It worked for Aladdin.

[alchemyprime]

... I think at that point, you get Broadside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(Transformers))as a mount. Though, how feasible is making Broadside?

... Now I want to take a Thallassic Behemoth from Pathfinder Bestiary 3, apply the Effigy template from CA, and then add the Transforming COnstruct template from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary.

And let a centaur ride it into battle.

[eggs]

Unicorn's nice for the SLAs.

And it would make an excellent love interest. :smalltongue:

[danzibr]

The OP should be set to cheesy '90s porn music.

(A Centaur Paladin should, as a mount, get another Centaur. Wink wink.)Now we know why your name is Lonely Tylenol.

[JCarter426]

It's a paladindrome.

I'm sorry, that was just... I'm sorry. :smalltongue:

[Dairuga]

Quite hypothetically speaking, what do other people think about giving an epic-level Paladin a Terrasque as a paladin mount? Celestial Terrasque.

A prize for sticking to Paladinhood all the way, hah.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

For an optimal character? Heck no. Check my world record uber charger with an ACF th

[Leon]

A Centaur Paladin on his "mount" (http://manweri.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d2yvgs6)

[Dairuga]

A Centaur Paladin on his "mount" (http://manweri.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d2yvgs6)

You mean a celestial clothesrag and a pseudo horse-head?

I wonder what the progression on -that- is. XD

[Ravens_cry]

As long as your centaur isn't too heavy, he can still ride a horse. It'll just look really weird.

No, he can't, you have to be at least one size category smaller to ride another creature.
Centaurs and Horses are both large.

[theNater]

No, he can't, you have to be at least one size category smaller to ride another creature.
So, naturally, you get a giant crocodile and stand on its back.

[Ravens_cry]

So, naturally, you get a giant crocodile and stand on its back.
Which is DM fiat as the game, the SRD at least, makes no mention of what Large paladins get.
And if you're going for DM fiat, there is no way I personally would allow a centaur to have a mount. I would instead give the weapon bond from Pathfinder. I would allow the centaur to use charge feats as mounted, except the "Roll ride check for evasive manoeuvres" feat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#mountedCombat), substituting it with another.

[gallagher]

would it be reasonable to name yourself as your mount and get the bonuses for it? might need to work with the dm for that

you could get wings to fly like a Pegasus, get evasion, trade tumble for ride for the check to take damage, stuff like that.

since sharing spells would make no difference, maybe ask to add the ranger spell list to your choice of spells

[gomipile]

Also, nothing stops your mount from riding you! :smallsmile:

Where is Yakov Smirnoff when you need him? Apparently he's serving as a paladin's "mount."

[Ravens_cry]

would it be reasonable to name yourself as your mount and get the bonuses for it? might need to work with the dm for that

you could get wings to fly like a Pegasus, get evasion, trade tumble for ride for the check to take damage, stuff like that.

since sharing spells would make no difference, maybe ask to add the ranger spell list to your choice of spells

Now that would be rather cool. It would indeed take some working out, and the idea of a Winged Centaur sounds like something out of 'A Wrinkle in Time', not that that's a bad thing necessarily.
I like it, talk to your DM to see if This Idea™ is right for you.

[SillySymphonies]

Due to its centaur-like construction, a zelekhut qualifies for feats as if it had the Mounted Combat feat.
Treat a centaur as a mounted combatant for the purposes of combat mechanics.

[Ravens_cry]

Treat a centaur as a mounted combatant for the purposes of combat mechanics.
Yeah, I think I mentioned the same thing earlier. It creates a very cool mental image of a centaur in plate armour and barding, like a knight at a tournament, wielding a lance.

[SillySymphonies]

Yeah, I think I mentioned the same thing earlier. It creates a very cool mental image of a centaur in plate armour and barding, like a knight at a tournament, wielding a lance.
http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/PZO1121-Centaur.jpg? :smallwink:

[Ravens_cry]

:biggrin:
***
Yes, exactly like that.:smallbiggrin:

[Tvtyrant]

The big problem with that is the lack of give in a centaur. A knight who gets hit by a lance while on horseback was able to fall off, which prevents penetration of the armor. The centaur cannot fall away from the tip, so it would be more likely to be impaled.

But it looks amazing!

[Ravens_cry]

The big problem with that is the lack of give in a centaur. A knight who gets hit by a lance while on horseback was able to fall off, which prevents penetration of the armor. The centaur cannot fall away from the tip, so it would be more likely to be impaled.

But it looks amazing!
You are probably right, but yes, it looks something beyond amazing.

[Venger]

It's a paladindrome.

I'm sorry, that was just... I'm sorry. :smalltongue:

huh. despite the fact that lonelytylenol is a somewhat prolific poster and I've read many of his posts, I never noticed that before. and I love palindromes.

[hydraa]

Dont' have the book but it appears that Heroes of light has a presitige class blessed paladin with a ability own two feet

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

The above pic is good in that the centaur follows my maximum brute-force melee damage idea requiring graft weapon.

But it is bad because of the lack of dua

[Rubik]

But it is bad because of the lack of duaI refuse to take you seriously anymore, or even read your posts.

Is there any way to get an ignore feature on this site?

[TuggyNE]

I refuse to take you seriously anymore, or even read your posts.

Is there any way to get an ignore feature on this site?

Heh. The "candle jack"/"Fermat"* schtick does get old, that's for sure.


*e.g. "I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain."

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

*e.g. "I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain."The difference is A) I published everything I'm referring to and B) know the limits of 16th century mathematics. And of course I know we haven't proven he couldn't have had a correct proof with the existing tools...

@rubik, everything I post is useful in someway. Last post I was mentioning that dual wielding is an efficient method of helping centaur chargers: increased enhancement opportunities, having more than 1 WoL is cheesy, allows maximal incorporation of martial m

[gallagher]

speaking of dual wielding chargers, i totally have made a lance-dual wielding mounted character and named him Gaia the Fierce Knight

then turned him into an ashword dragoon for beetlejuice lulz

[Rubik]

...maximal incorporation of martial mJust so you know, I looked at the fact that you did it AGAIN and didn't bother reading the rest of it.

[Rejusu]

Another centaur. :smallwink:

[phantomreader42]

And in the same vein: nothing stops you from riding your mount! Also, nothing stops your mount from riding you! :smallsmile:

Perhaps you can find a (huge) flying creature, or a medium sized creature that can be helpful in combat, while riding your back?

I'm thinking Musteval Guardinal. Tiny so it can ride without encumberance, celestial and animalistic so it fits the paladin mount concept, and with some cool SLAs. Alignment might be an issue though (I don't remember if they're NG or CG).

[Larkas]

I'm thinking Musteval Guardinal. Tiny so it can ride without encumberance, celestial and animalistic so it fits the paladin mount concept, and with some cool SLAs. Alignment might be an issue though (I don't remember if they're NG or CG).

IIRC, Guardinals are always CG.

[Ravens_cry]

IIRC, Guardinals are always CG.
Then they can play Good Cop/Bad Cop. :smallbiggrin:
Yeah, I know the 'mount' by the rules has to share the Paladins alignment, but we are already deviating from RAW here.
Besides, I like the dynamic it could have for role play.
Sometimes you have the hardass LG paladin, while the guardinal is pleading for leniency based on circumstance.
In others the guardinal is calling for some guys blood while the paladin reminds them that due process is justice for all.

[Larkas]

Then they can play Good Cop/Bad Cop. :smallbiggrin:
Yeah, I know the 'mount' by the rules has to share the Paladins alignment, but we are already deviating from RAW here.
Besides, I like the dynamic it could have for role play.
Sometimes you have the hardass LG paladin, while the guardinal is pleading for leniency based on circumstance.
In others the guardinal is calling for some guys blood while the paladin reminds them that due process is justice for all.

Hahahahaha, that would, indeed, be great fun :smallbiggrin:

[gallagher]

Then they can play Good Cop/Bad Cop. :smallbiggrin:
Yeah, I know the 'mount' by the rules has to share the Paladins alignment, but we are already deviating from RAW here.
Besides, I like the dynamic it could have for role play.
Sometimes you have the hardass LG paladin, while the guardinal is pleading for leniency based on circumstance.
In others the guardinal is calling for some guys blood while the paladin reminds them that due process is justice for all.

i think my party members will look at me as if i am a schizo if i start arguing with myself though

[Ravens_cry]

i think my party members will look at me as if i am a schizo if i start arguing with myself though
Their loss. :smalltongue:

[Urpriest]

IIRC, Guardinals are always CG.

NG. But LG has Lantern Archons, and nothing says you have to have legs to ride a mount.

[gallagher]

I'm thinking Musteval Guardinal. Tiny so it can ride without encumberance, celestial and animalistic so it fits the paladin mount concept, and with some cool SLAs. Alignment might be an issue though (I don't remember if they're NG or CG).

book? MM1 only has Avoral and Leonal

[phantomreader42]

It's a paladindrome.

I'm sorry, that was just... I'm sorry. :smalltongue:

Well, at least it's not a banana baton...

[phantomreader42]

book? MM1 only has Avoral and Leonal

Book of Exalted Deeds, IIRC. Added several guardinals.

[Ravens_cry]

Hahahahaha, that would, indeed, be great fun :smallbiggrin:
Glad you approve.:smalltongue:

[phantomreader42]

NG. But LG has Lantern Archons, and nothing says you have to have legs to ride a mount.

I think an NG companion (or an LG member of a normally-NG race) would be acceptable for a paladin, but CG would run afoul of the Code (unless you're using Paladin of Freedom, in which case it fits perfectly).

[Larkas]

I think an NG companion (or an LG member of a normally-NG race) would be acceptable for a paladin, but CG would run afoul of the Code (unless you're using Paladin of Freedom, in which case it fits perfectly).

Associating with CG characters doesn't really go against the code, I think. You just can't get a Mount who's CG... THEN AGAIN, Unicorn IS listed as an unusual paladin mount in the DMG (pg 205), so...

@Urpriest: Hmmmm, indeed... But wait a minute, wasn't there a race of CG-only angels? Or am I just imagining things?

[Urpriest]

Associating with CG characters doesn't really go against the code, I think. You just can't get a Mount who's CG... THEN AGAIN, Unicorn IS listed as an unusual paladin mount in the DMG (pg 205), so...

@Urpriest: Hmmmm, indeed... But wait a minute, wasn't there a race of CG-only angels? Or am I just imagining things?

Eladrin. Holy Elves and Faeries. They have the Coure Eladrin, an awesome and adorable familiar that arguably is way better than a Musteval.

[Larkas]

Eladrin. Holy Elves and Faeries. They have the Coure Eladrin, an awesome and adorable familiar that arguably is way better than a Musteval.

D'oh, OF COURSE! Can't believe I forgot about them :smallannoyed: After all that 4E Elf/Eladrin fey shenanigans, I totally forgot they used to be celestials. Hopefully, I'll re-associate the word with CG angels and this won't happen again :smallconfused:

[Tokuhara]

The problem of Centaurs is a sick DM can beat them easily: a ladder.

Centaurs, due to their physiology, cannot climb a ladder. Have fun being left behind in the dungeon!

[Rubik]

The problem of Centaurs is a sick DM can beat them easily: a ladder.

Centaurs, due to their physiology, cannot climb a ladder. Have fun being left behind in the dungeon!Make it a psentar and take the Up The Walls feat.

[gallagher]

Make it a psentar and take the Up The Walls feat.
Padded horse shoes of spider climb?
Also, what would make for an evil rider? Say for a paladin of slaughter? And I heard good things about bone knight, but I dont have the book. Yet it sounds like it would be an awesome addition

[Wookie-ranger]

Dragon Magazin 311. P16.
just saying.

[Leon]

For those of us without the magazine it means what?

[Wookie-ranger]

For those of us without the magazine it means what?

I was just reading it, and they usually had a picture that the readers can send in some funny texts.
this one was of a Pegasus and a human (archer). the thing is that the human was not riding the Pegasus, but was 'held' by it.:smallbiggrin:
so, in a way, the Pegasus was riding the human.

[gallagher]

so i am not sure how LA buyoff works, because if i incorperate that, i can run a 4RHD/4Paladin of Tyr./Ur Priest 2/Bone Knight 10

unless there is a more playable centaur race, but i am more interested in this being a cool build over a particularly optimized build. i would probably be going with a charging build that augments his martial capabilities with his spells

[eggs]

Basically:

You'd start as an ECL 6 creature with 4 HD (unless using Savage species, in which case, you could start at level 1) and 15k experience.
Through adventuring, you'll eventually gain 51k experience, for a total of 66k.
At that point, you would normally be hitting ECL 12/10 HD.
With LA buyoff, you can pay 11k experience to instead count as ECL 11/10 HD (with 55k experience total).
As a character with a lower ECL, you will gain Experience at an accelerated rate (9 CR 12 encounters to hit 11 HD, opposed to 14 without buyoff).
This comes up again at 91k experience, when you would normally attain ECL 14/13 HD.
At that point, you may pay 13k experience and instead count as ECL 13/13 HD (with 78k experience total)
Again, you will count as one level behind the party and gain experience at an accelerated rate.
The Centaur should hit the same realm of experience as the rest of the party about 2/3 of the way through ECL 15.

With your plan, it'd probably be worth using Prestige paladin. Centaur 4/Fighter 1/Ur-Priest 2/Prestige Paladin of Tyranny 3/Bone Knight 10 gets the same abilities at approximately the same rate, but is 3 levels ahead in its casting progression.

[Urpriest]

Basically:

You'd start as an ECL 6 creature with 4 HD (unless using Savage species, in which case, you could start at level 1) and 15k experience.
Through adventuring, you'll eventually gain 51k experience, for a total of 66k.
At that point, you would normally be hitting ECL 12/10 HD.
With LA buyoff, you can pay 11k experience to instead count as ECL 11/10 HD (with 55k experience total).
As a character with a lower ECL, you will gain Experience at an accelerated rate (9 CR 12 encounters to hit 11 HD, opposed to 14 without buyoff).
This comes up again at 91k experience, when you would normally attain ECL 14/13 HD.
At that point, you may pay 13k experience and instead count as ECL 13/13 HD (with 78k experience total)
Again, you will count as one level behind the party and gain experience at an accelerated rate.
The Centaur should hit the same realm of experience as the rest of the party about 2/3 of the way through ECL 15.

With your plan, it'd probably be worth using Prestige paladin. Centaur 4/Fighter 1/Ur-Priest 2/Prestige Paladin of Tyranny 3/Bone Knight 10 gets the same abilities at approximately the same rate, but is 3 levels ahead in its casting progression.

Haven't looked at the Centaur's class skills, but I doubt that build works. It's the right direction, but you ought to replace the Fighter level with something that gets the right skills to get into Urpriest that early.

[eggs]

Haven't looked at the Centaur's class skills, but I doubt that build works. It's the right direction, but you ought to replace the Fighter level with something that gets the right skills to get into Urpriest that early.
You could be right.
Are racial class skills delineated somewhere, or is it just a matter of making these things up?

[Urpriest]

You could be right.
Are racial class skills delineated somewhere, or is it just a matter of making these things up?

Sir, you should read my monster guide!

The general rule is that a monster's class skills are anything that the default monster has ranks in and anything it gets a racial bonus to. Sometimes things that just get synergy bonuses are included, but that's not the general rule, so Nymphs don't get Use Rope by default unfortunately.

Wow, the two things I'm an expert on in one thread...just wait, someone's going to bring up the Eunuch Warlock.

[eggs]

What if this Centaur paladin were a Centaur 4/Paladin 2/Suel Arcanamach 10/X 4?

...If only there were some sort of prestige class that would increase arcane casting beyond its listed progression and help train the Centaur to behave more appropriately around the stables.

:smalltongue:

[Rejusu]

so i am not sure how LA buyoff works, because if i incorperate that, i can run a 4RHD/4Paladin of Tyr./Ur Priest 2/Bone Knight 10

unless there is a more playable centaur race, but i am more interested in this being a cool build over a particularly optimized build. i would probably be going with a charging build that augments his martial capabilities with his spells

As cool as that sounds I'm pretty sure it's impossible. Ur-priest has crazy skill requirements and most would be cross-class skills (like bluff and most of the knowledge skills) with that build. Your max rank in CC skills at character level 8 (the point you need to have qualified for Ur-priest entry) is 5.5. If memory serves the highest skill requirement of Ur-priest is 8 ranks which means you unless you gain the requisite skills as class skills you can't get in until character level 13 which means losing the best levels of Bone Knight.

You can solve this by throwing a 1 level dip of something with the skills needed in there instead of one of the Paladin levels but even then you'll need a hefty int score to get the skill points needed. Remember that Bone Knight also requires 12 skill points to qualify for it on top of the 32(!) needed for Ur-priest. While I don't have time to calculate it now I think the int score you'd need just to meet the prereqs might take you from "not particularly optimized" right down to "sub-optimal" bordering on "bad". Primarily because other than skill points int doesn't really give any of those classes anything.

But yeah Ur-priest is a pain to qualify for and it gets harder when you try to work Bone Knight into it as well. Best build I've managed is 1 Bard (anything with the right skills, 6 or more skill points, and good will save also works), 4 Paladin of Tyranny, 1 Ur-priest, 10 Bone Knight, 4X. But it only works because it's human with Able learner. Even then it still needs a minimum int score of 12.

Also is there any reason why you've got Ur-priest 2 in there? You already get rebuke undead from Paladin 4 so UP2 is just a wasted level since BK10 gives 9/10 casting progression and UP is only 10 levels.