Ninja/Monk Toon, AC Special stucks?

[Kerilstrasz]

So..
I m thinking to roll a toon with 1lvl Monk and 1 lvl Ninja
they both get the same special as pasted bellow..
AC Bonus (Ex): A ninja is highly trained at dodging
blows, and she has a sixth sense that lets her avoid even
unanticipated attacks. When unarmored and unencumbered,
a ninja adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her
Armor Class. This ability does not stack with the monk’s
AC bonus ability (a ninja with levels of monk does not add
the bonus twice). In addition, a ninja gains a +1 bonus to
AC at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five
ninja levels thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at
20th level).
These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks
or when a ninja is flat-footed. The character loses these
bonuses when she is immobilized or helpless, when she
wears any armor, when she carries a shield, or when she
carries a medium or heavy load.

AC Bonus (Ex): A monk is highly trained at dodging blows, and
she has a sixth sense that lets her avoid even unanticipated attacks.
When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom
bonus (if any) to her AC. In addition, a monk gains a +1 bonus to AC
at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five monk levels
thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at 20th level).
These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks or when
the monk is flat-footed. She loses these bonuses when she is
immobilized or helpless, when she wears any armor, when she
carries a shield, or when she carries a medium or heavy load.
The toon will have +3 Wis and +3 Dex with no armor or shield ofc..
that makes his AC 10+3Wis+3Wis+3Dex=19 or 10+3wis+3Dex=16 ?

[Rethmar]

As far as I know, you'd only get to add the Wisdom bonus once, sadly.

So 16 AC.

[mattie_p]

So..
I m thinking to roll a toon with 1lvl Monk and 1 lvl Ninja
they both get the same special as pasted bellow..
AC Bonus (Ex): A ninja is highly trained at dodging
blows, and she has a sixth sense that lets her avoid even
unanticipated attacks. When unarmored and unencumbered,
a ninja adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her
Armor Class. This ability does not stack with the monk’s
AC bonus ability (a ninja with levels of monk does not add
the bonus twice). In addition, a ninja gains a +1 bonus to
AC at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five
ninja levels thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at
20th level).
These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks
or when a ninja is flat-footed. The character loses these
bonuses when she is immobilized or helpless, when she
wears any armor, when she carries a shield, or when she
carries a medium or heavy load.

10+3wis+3Dex=16 ?

You even included it in your own copy/paste. Monk and Ninja AC bonus explicitly does not stack. Naked AC = 16.

[Kerilstrasz]

As far as I know, you'd only get to add the Wisdom bonus once, sadly.

So 16 AC.

if thats true, the same applies for the bonus AC per Lvl? Cause the way i see it it shouldnt cause the two classes dont lvl up at the same time so when Ninja class goes 10 lvl you get the bonuns and then when ninja hit 10 you get its bonus too..

but if that stucks so should the Wis..
well if you think that each of these Specials refers to get trained for this each class gets deifferent kind of martial art trainning... so ..
dont know.. thats why i ask..

[Kerilstrasz]

You even included it in your own copy/paste. Monk and Ninja AC bonus explicitly does not stack. Naked AC = 16.

OMG.. im really stupid.. sorry...

[mattie_p]

No, not stupid, we all overlook things at times. Better to ask here and get the answer than have the DM throw a book at you.

[nedz]

Complete Scoundral has the Ascetic Stalker feat.
It adds your Monk and Ninja levels together for the size of Ki Pool, Unarmed Strike damage and Ki Strike class feature.
Allows multiclassing between Monk and Ninja.

Monk and Ninja are generally regarded as weak classes, but you might be fine with that.

[animewatcha]

This would make you more MAD, but if you get carmendine monk or kung fu genious ( dragon mag / drag compendium ), the monk's ability score ac source would change to int. Allowing for WIS+INT to ac.

[truemane]

This would make you more MAD, but if you get carmendine monk or kung fu genious ( dragon mag / drag compendium ), the monk's ability score ac source would change to int. Allowing for WIS+INT to ac.

No, that wouldn't work. The text says that the Ninja ability doesn't stack with the Monk AC bonus. he attribute in question wouldn't change that.

[Tamer Leon]

Saint Template grants an Insight bonus to AC equal to your wis mod, though its prereqs are quite hard to keep up.

There might be another method of getting it, involving some extreme RAW abuse I'm sure, but WIS-dependency is easy to acheive.

Really, you're better off going Swordsage for the WIS-to-ac-ness, getting some light armor, taking the Saint Template and something like Intuitive Strike so you can get your Wis bonus to attack rolls.

Works wonders on a cleric.

[Feralventas]

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732&highlight=stat

x-stat to y-ability.

Lots of ways to get Wisdom or any other stat to your AC. If you want to boost your unarmored AC, dips in Monk, Battle Dancer, and Fist of the Forrest will grant Wisdom, Charisma, and Constitution to AC in addition to your Dexterity.

[Gavinfoxx]

Hxo: Do you want to be like mystical ninja and wushu martial artists you see in anime and video games and stuff?

If that is the case, you are doing it wrong. What you are actually doing is choosing some of the weakest classes in the game, both of which had classes which were obvious second attempts / replacements made for them later in the game when WotC realized these attempts didnt work right.

[JadePhoenix]

Every time someone calls their character a toon, I die a little inside.

[Chronos]

Unless, of course, they're playing Toon.

[nedz]

Or a sentient scottish settlement :smallbiggrin: