Invisible armor?

[Dairuga]

Is there a way of making armor invisible? That is, any armor enchantment or anything that would make it appear as if the character was not wearing armor?

Glamered armour would be helpful, except that merely makes the armor appear as some other armor; or as a regular garb, which is not too helpful in this scenario if I recall their effects correctly. Shiftweave can mimic several outfits, but is not of much help either, as such.

So yes, Is there any way of merely making the armor appear invisible?

[Emperor Tippy]

Sure, cast the spell Invisibility on it and follow it up with Permanency. Hit it with a Dispel Magic first and add on a permanent Shrink Item spell as well (so that you can store it easier).

[Dairuga]

Sure, cast the spell Invisibility on it and follow it up with Permanency. Hit it with a Dispel Magic first and add on a permanent Shrink Item spell as well (so that you can store it easier).

...I did not know Invisibility could be permanencied.

Sweeeet.

[prufock]

So you want to appear to be naked while wearing armor?

DC 100 or so Sleight of Hand check?

[Curmudgeon]

Be aware that not being visible isn't going to keep the armor from making the usual sounds: squeaking leather, chinking chain, or clanking metal.

[Averis Vol]

theres the glamoured armor enchant in the DMG that makes it look like your just wearing clothing. thats all i can think of unless i understood the question wrong.

[legomaster00156]

So you want to appear to be naked while wearing armor?
Obligatory link. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0025.html)

[supermonkeyjoe]

If you want to go down the magic route then the effect created by Mage Armour is explicitly stated to be invisible.

[Togath]

The twilight armour enchantment from either BoED or PHB2 says it makes the armour translucent, however it doesn't specifically say how translucent, so depending on the dm you might be able to get him to refluff it as looking like coloured glass.

[Jack_Simth]

Is there a way of making armor invisible? That is, any armor enchantment or anything that would make it appear as if the character was not wearing armor?The first thing that comes to mind is Glammered (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicArmor.htm#glamered), which makes the armor take on "the appearance of a normal set of clothing" - but apparently, that's not what you want.


Glamered armour would be helpful, except that merely makes the armor appear as some other armor; or as a regular garb, which is not too helpful in this scenario if I recall their effects correctly. Shiftweave can mimic several outfits, but is not of much help either, as such.
The spell Disguise Self (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/disguiseSelf.htm) (you can get it from a Cheap Hat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#hatofDisguise)) includes the line "make yourself—including clothing, armor, weapons, and equipment—look different" and "Otherwise, the extent of the apparent change is up to you" - so yes, you could make yourself appear to be wearing anything / nothing without too much trouble (Veil (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/veil.htm) is even better - fewer limits, includes touch and smell in the illusion).

Additionally, Invisibility (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/invisibility.htm) can affect objects, and Permanency (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/permanency.htm) can make it permanent with respect to objects.

[Roguenewb]

I.....don't understand the goal, but bracers of armor also appear invisible, IIRC.

[Curmudgeon]

I.....don't understand the goal, but bracers of armor also appear invisible, IIRC.
Huh? No, the Bracers appear like wrist or arm guards. The field of force they create is invisible, though.

[Dairuga]

I.....don't understand the goal, but bracers of armor also appear invisible, IIRC.

Well, As I have made a few threads already, seeming to relate to a certain half-dragon of mine, and breath weaponry regarding half-dragons and so on and so forth, I might as well put it all down somewhere, and it might as well be here.

My Character, Razeros ni'Rynami is a Half Lung dragon, that I am trying to involve in a current campaign of mine. He lives atop a tall mountain, and is revered by a village. He has a shrine, worshippers, everything, praying for his blessing; giving him gifts and presents to keep them in good favour. He is the guardian of the land, and a level 7 Cleric. (He has also refluffed his wings into divine wind that carries him, or some sort of permanent Air-walk (with restrictions so that he is unable to do anything he would not have been capable of doing during flight).

He breathes clouds, clouds that spreads out and creates rain, which he uses to ensure that his village never has to fear droughts, and sometimes he flies around town; using Persisted Divine metamagic'd Positive energy Auras and such to truly put on divine displays. Wounds starts closing when he draws near; ailments fade, sicknesses dissapear, and such, bolstering their faith in him.

A long story short, he is a quasi-god. Or a protector of the land, anyhow, and when he uses his avatar form (That is, a bipedal, anthropomorphic form; for easier traveling with other adventurers; his "regular" form being nothing but an illusion to make him appear as a real lung dragon (A T'ien Lung in this case), as he soars trough the sky), he is stark naked. Yes, naked. He is only dressed in his own clouds, which he seems to constantly emnate from his body, or actively breathe (He has taken Dragonic Breath, to allow him to renew his clouds every 1d4 rounds if wanted), covering up his private parts and keep him semi-veiled from prying eyes.

Now, this is an image I would enjoy keeping for him, but to make him an effective cleric, he would still have to wear some sort of armor to attain a decent DC (I am toning down the DMM shenanigans as to not downright -break- the Game), and I have currently fitted him with a Mithral Chainmail. It is however not fitting for a god to wear mundane, gray armor that would rather tarnish his regal splendor and such. Hence, why I am searching for invisible armor.

I truly enjoy the thought of bracelets, as the force field is invisible. The bracelets could fit him extremely well, as they are both stylish, well-designed, they keep his body from being covered in "Artifical" armor, and would help to look more like jewelry than anything else, yet provide a nice bonus.

Thank you all, for the help. It is greatly appreciated.

[Ballista]

My Character, Razeros ni'Rynami is a Half Lung dragon

Sorry nothing to do with the post... but in chinese, Lung (actually lóng) is translated as Dragon in english... So you're a half dragon dragon? If only you were prismatic :smallbiggrin:

[Dairuga]

Sorry nothing to do with the post... but in chinese, Lung (actually lóng) is translated as Dragon in english... So you're a half dragon dragon? If only you were prismatic :smallbiggrin:

I meant Lung, as in the Lung class of dragons. Lung being the surname for the dragons that appear in the oriental adventures book. (I would say Half T'iel Lung, but I doubt they have made a Half-lung class, so I merely said Half lung-dragon. Even if, translated, it would mean half dragon-dragon.)

[Roguenewb]

See? Now I get whats going on and can be so much more helpful. Have you considered combining Invisible Spell with Greater Luminous Armor? And even if you haven't, Luminous Armor is a great spell, and fits concept even if you don't do invisible. It has durations measured in hours, so it won't matter anyway about recasting.

[Ballista]

I meant Lung, as in the Lung class of dragons. Lung being the surname for the dragons that appear in the oriental adventures book. (I would say Half T'iel Lung, but I doubt they have made a Half-lung class, so I merely said Half lung-dragon. Even if, translated, it would mean half dragon-dragon.)

Dang it, you ruined my double-rainbow pun

[Wookie-ranger]

if you are looking for a none-magic way that makes armor look almost invisible take a look at "Nephelium" from 'sunless citadel'
It is as strong as iron but appears like glass.

its not exactly what you are looking for, but close enough for a post.:smallbiggrin:

[Dairuga]

See? Now I get whats going on and can be so much more helpful. Have you considered combining Invisible Spell with Greater Luminous Armor? And even if you haven't, Luminous Armor is a great spell, and fits concept even if you don't do invisible. It has durations measured in hours, so it won't matter anyway about recasting.

Yes. Luminous armor is truly fitting for him, so thank you for the advice. I suppose it could be described effectively as a translusive, radiant light that emnated from him, rather than a dazzling full-plate, which would look rather odd; in my eyes, hah.

The strength penalty for Luminous armor is a bit of a "Bah" factor, but I suppose a lesser restoration could fix that up, unless I missed a clause that stated that Exalted spells' sacrifice cannot be undone other than natural healing or some such. (My dragon has a home brewed flaw, Weapon-breaker. Because, as a Half-dragon gains a massive +8 to strength, and due to the immense power, my DM said it would be an epic suggestion for a flaw. All weapons he uses in combat breaks and is rendered useless after 1d4+2 attacks, due to not being able to withstand the massive strength)

But yes, thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I will have to look into the Nephelium and see what I can do with it.

[Rubik]

This. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sequester.htm)

Note that it works even against See Invisibility and True Seeing. Chain it and you can have all your clothes and equipment be invisible.

[edit] I have a TO build that uses illithid savant to gain the metamind's font of power ability and the erudite's StP ability and its ability to learn powers (on a society mind base), which means he can have infinite power points at full ML and every non-epic power and spell in the game (it's gestalt). I used Ghostform to become incorporeal, but have a necklace of natural weaponry to make my unarmed strikes ghost touch (he dipped into unarmed swordsage so his whole body is considered ghost touch). So all of his equipment is incorporeal, and a Chained Sequester makes everything he's got incorporeal invisible. He's got like 200,000,000 gp in equipment, and all of it's practically undetectable. He looks like he's got a VoP going, but in reality he has more wealth than most large countries.

[Roguenewb]

Fun fact: The sacrifice cost from sanctified spells? It applies at the *end* of the duration. So, if you cast it at level 12, you get 12 hours or +12 AC (+8 full plate, -4 on opps melee attacks) and at the end you suffer 1d3 STR damage, which you have a 33% of healing by morning anyway! Spend a single lesser restoration and the chances of the armor meaning nothing rise to like (I'm bad at math) 84%. Solid, solid stuff.

[Stabbald]

Why not just ask your DM if you can re-fluff the armor? Might be a simpler solution if you just want it to look different.

[Dairuga]

This. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sequester.htm)

Note that it works even against See Invisibility and True Seeing. Chain it and you can have all your clothes and equipment be invisible.

[edit] I have a TO build that uses illithid savant to gain the metamind's font of power ability and the erudite's StP ability and its ability to learn powers (on a society mind base), which means he can have infinite power points at full ML and every non-epic power and spell in the game (it's gestalt). I used Ghostform to become incorporeal, but have a necklace of natural weaponry to make my unarmed strikes ghost touch (he dipped into unarmed swordsage so his whole body is considered ghost touch). So all of his equipment is incorporeal, and a Chained Sequester makes everything he's got incorporeal. He's got like 200,000,000 gp in equipment, and all of it's practically undetectable. He looks like he's got a VoP going, but in reality he has more wealth than most large countries.

...:Dear god, I cannot even start to say how epic that idea is.
I am laughing so hard it hurts.



Fun fact: The sacrifice cost from sanctified spells? It applies at the *end* of the duration. So, if you cast it at level 12, you get 12 hours or +12 AC (+8 full plate, -4 on opps melee attacks) and at the end you suffer 1d3 STR damage, which you have a 33% of healing by morning anyway! Spend a single lesser restoration and the chances of the armor meaning nothing rise to like (I'm bad at math) 84%. Solid, solid stuff.

That is -awesome- to hear! Thank you truly for that explanation. I did not know any of the sacrifices appeared at the end.


Why not just ask your DM if you can re-fluff the armor? Might be a simpler solution if you just want it to look different.

I -am- the DM, hahaha.

I just prefer to actually have real ways of having things work (which so far, my group have credited me quite a bit for), which is why I enjoy the invisibile / Sequestered equipment at higher levels. Granted, I could refluff the armor I suppose, but that would require some heavy explanations on why the armor is invisible, free of charge, and might inspire the party members to want the same.

And if I say that the armor of this person is specifically tailored to only work on him, etc, etc, other things like that; it would appear terribly cheesy and such, I'm afraid.

[Rubik]

...:Dear god, I cannot even start to say how epic that idea is. I am laughing so hard it hurts.Note that it doesn't prevent you from wearing mundane items. Also, your items can't be targeted, unless someone is using magic and is using an item to see them. And if you have a nice Invisible Spell'd Fog Cloud they won't be able to see them then, either.

[JadePhoenix]

My dragon has a home brewed flaw, Weapon-breaker. Because, as a Half-dragon gains a massive +8 to strength, and due to the immense power, my DM said it would be an epic suggestion for a flaw.


I -am- the DM, hahaha.

Wait... what?

[Brock Samson]

Metamagic: Invisible Spell on a Wall of Iron. Now, make your armor out of that non-magical invisible iron.

[Rubik]

Wait... what?"I AM the law! DM!"

[Curmudgeon]

Metamagic: Invisible Spell on a Wall of Iron. Now, make your armor out of that non-magical invisible iron.
What about the carbon needed to make that iron into steel, and the leather and cloth bits? At best you'd get a smoky-looking armor (seeing just the carbon and other trace elements in the steel) with all the usual padding, buckles, & c.

[moritheil]

There are rules for glassteel armor that is as hard as adamantine and confers the same benefits, while being more expensive. You can just give him a set of transparent glassteel armor.

[Rubik]

Use the Invisible Spell feat on the Sequester spell?

The invisibility will be invisible, for a streak-free shine?

[Curmudgeon]

There are rules for glassteel armor that is as hard as adamantine and confers the same benefits, while being more expensive. You can just give him a set of transparent glassteel armor.
So people would see all the usual padding, plus leather straps and buckles that attach to transparent glassteel exterior pieces. That's funky looking, but it doesn't make the whole armor invisible.

[BlueEyes]

Glammered can change the armor into any clothing. Just change it into a loincloth, his junk is covered by clouds after all, no one will see that he's not naked.

[Rubik]

Well, the clouds aren't even really strictly necessary. It's not like most anyone cares if critters that don't look human(ish) aren't clothed. Regular dragons go around nekked all the time, after all.

And if you're powerful enough you can go around naked even if you DO look human.

[Duskranger]

Or the answer that is not posted: one of the special skins (psycho-active ones) there is one that gives you the same armor bonus as a fullplate but no ACP.

Sadly not upgradable but still. It's a skin and therefore invisible untill you pull it off.

[Rubik]

I calculated it up and my character has approximately 105 billion US dollars on each body, and he can duplicate that on every body he's got (and he has potentially infinite bodies).

Just for more background info on the build I talked about earlier. :smallamused:

[Dairuga]

Wait... what?

Haha, whoops. Co-Dm. My Co-DM.

Pretty big error there, yeaaah. My bad.



And if you're powerful enough you can go around naked even if you DO look human.

And oh god.
This gives me the worst mental images of the pantheon, ever.

[Rubik]

And oh god.
This gives me the worst mental images of the pantheon, ever.Well, I can utterly destroy any (non-over)deity you care to name. And the reason why I came up with the invisible & incorporeal equipment trick in the first place was explicitly so I wouldn't have to take off my equipment when going au naturel. Never get caught with your pants down, even when you're not wearing them!

[Invader]

Why not just take VoP? It seems like it would suit your character perfectly and by 7th level you have a +6 AC Bonus and a +1 Deflection bonus. Not to mention all the other ridiculousness that goes along with it.

[Roguenewb]

'nother sanctified fun fact: Clerics can cast them spontaneously. Just putting that out there.

[Dairuga]

Why not just take VoP? It seems like it would suit your character perfectly and by 7th level you have a +6 AC Bonus and a +1 Deflection bonus. Not to mention all the other ridiculousness that goes along with it.

Sadly, VoP would not be very good at all for him. Mainly, because it would require him to take Sacred Vow too; I think, because he would be near-useless at higher levels without magic items (as has been stated by several threads; VoP not being near as good as having magical items), and I suppose, for a "god" that receives gifts on a regular basis to keep the villagers in good favour, having a Vow of Poverty would be very counterproductive XD

[Andorax]

Just a note on Bracers of Armor. There's a rule in the Arms and Equipment guide (it's 3.0, but it's never been overwritten) that you can include "+ bonus" armor enhancements onto bracers.

The Armor bonus maxxes out at +8, the "+ bonus" bonuses max out at +5...it's another alternative if you want to go that route.


And by the way...VERY cool concept. Had a silver dragon once that did the whole pseudo-godhood thing before, and this reminded me a lot of that.



I wouldn't discount the Vow of Poverty either. Remember that many of the limitations that VoP imposes (flight, tactical teleportation, other bonuses) can be overcome by primary casters. Oh look...you're a cleric. VOP Monks have issues...VoP Clerics have a holy symbol problem and expensive material component problem...once those are overcome, you're golden.

As far as the "gifts for the god" issue, you simply redistribute them. Those that have, give. You take it, and give to those who lack. Enlightened socialism from the benevelent god.

[panaikhan]

Following the rules once provided for peacemeal armour, our group once had a humanoid member with armoured bracers and shin-guards. Bracers (glove slot) were enchanted with a deflection bonus, shin-guards (boot slot) with an enhancement bonus. Along with a Torc (neck slot) of natural armour, it ended up with a reasonable AC.