View Full Version : Methods for Removing Saves
DeathOfAMailman
2012-05-08, 04:35 PM
Besides the Spellwarp Sniper's ability to remove Reflex saves from area spells in exchange for turning them into a ray, what are some ways to remove the save from a spell? Or perhaps changing the type of save required in order to allow Spellwarp Sniper to remove it?
There's the broken-as-hell Irresistible Spell metamagic from Dragonlance.
+4 to downright skip the save and get on to the effects.
kardar233
2012-05-08, 06:05 PM
There's the broken-as-hell Irresistible Spell metamagic from Dragonlance.
+4 to downright skip the save and get on to the effects.
That would be Kingdoms of Kalamar, actually, and it was changed to +10 to the DC in the 3.5 update to the Player's Guide.
Andorax
2012-05-09, 12:53 PM
Rare case...but you can't make a reflex save versus a breath weapon if you're currently grappled by a bite attack from the critter with the breath weapon.
Or is that only dragons?
Morph Bark
2012-05-09, 01:03 PM
Rare case...but you can't make a reflex save versus a breath weapon if you're currently grappled by a bite attack from the critter with the breath weapon.
Or is that only dragons?
Doesn't that require a feat?
Suddo
2012-05-09, 01:38 PM
Rare case...but you can't make a reflex save versus a breath weapon if you're currently grappled by a bite attack from the critter with the breath weapon.
Or is that only dragons?
Just grab them in your claw. I believe its because they are considered flat-footed.
Khedrac
2012-05-09, 02:00 PM
Rare case...but you can't make a reflex save versus a breath weapon if you're currently grappled by a bite attack from the critter with the breath weapon.
Or is that only dragons?Please quote source on this on as I am fairly sure you are wrong. And you certainly are not flat-footed against the grappler - you still get your Dex bonus against them, you just lose it against everyone else. Pinned is different.
Case in point - playing a Living Greyhawk adventure (so 2 rules lawyers present + 5 people who knew the rules pretty well) The DM got rather upset when the centaur grappled a lich. The lich resorted to its spell like ability of Greater Fireburst only to discover that the centaur had evasion...
Edit: I missed that you said Bite Attack - that would actually almost make sense, so I am no longer sure at all, but would still appreciate source.
kardar233
2012-05-09, 02:35 PM
The Snatch (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm) feat specifically states that you don't get a save vs Breath Weapon when held in the mouth. That's an effect of the feat, though.
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