Leap Attack and Battle Jump

[Morph Bark]

How do these two feats interact? Can they both be used at the same time?

[JadePhoenix]

They can. I believe Endarire's Hood is based on that interaction, you might want to google it.

Battle Jump is supposed to come with a racial restriction that most people simply tend to 'forget', though.

[Curmudgeon]

No, these are incompatible.
Benefit: You can execute a charge by simply dropping from a height of at least 5 feet above your opponent.
Benefit: You can combine a jump with a charge against an opponent. If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target ... Either you're dropping from a height (replacing the normal charge movement requirement) or you're making a horizontal jump (in addition to the normal charge movement). You can't do incompatible movements simultaneously.

[Zjordan85]

I have made horizontal jumps from ledges that meet the height requirement for Battle Jump. Ask your DM, if (s)he rules that you can use both if you meet the height and distance requirements, then roll with that answer.

Edit: Or maybe the answer is merging the two so that you must fall at least 10-15' above your opponent to use both.

[JadePhoenix]

No, these are incompatible. Either you're dropping from a height (replacing the normal charge movement requirement) or you're making a horizontal jump (in addition to the normal charge movement). You can't do incompatible movements simultaneously.

Sure you can. Up the Walls, Elocator and Climb speed say hi.

[GodGoblin]

But when jumping horizontally a quarter of the distance you jump you must jump in hieght, so a 20ft horizontal jump is also a 5ft vertical jump. Activating both feats.

From the SRD

Long Jump
A long jump is a horizontal jump, made across a gap like a chasm or stream. At the midpoint of the jump, you attain a vertical height equal to one-quarter of the horizontal distance. The DC for the jump is equal to the distance jumped (in feet).

[DeusMortuusEst]

But when jumping horizontally a quarter of the distance you jump you must jump in hieght, so a 20ft horizontal jump is also a 5ft vertical jump. Activating both feats.

From the SRD

Well, that's if your opponent is lying flat on the ground, in order to hit someone 5 ft. tall with both battle jump and leap attack you'll need to hit a DC of 40 reliably, and that's a pretty short opponent. Thri-kreen says hi.

[Curmudgeon]

you have to hurl yourself down on your foe Making a mostly horizontal jump (vertical gain only ¼ the horizontal movement) isn't "hurling yourself down". Also, it isn't "simply dropping".

[JadePhoenix]

Making a mostly horizontal jump (vertical gain only ¼ the horizontal movement) isn't "hurling yourself down". Also, it isn't "simply dropping".

I'd disagree. But even with your restrictions, an elocator can still do it.

[DeusMortuusEst]

Making a mostly horizontal jump (vertical gain only ¼ the horizontal movement) isn't "hurling yourself down". Also, it isn't "simply dropping".

Depends, you're going down, and there's nothing in Battle Jump saying what the attack vector looks like, only that it's from above, which a diagonal approach satisfies. And yes, it's simply dropping, the actual physical work in a jump ends as you leave the ground (except for stabilizing and such things, which you have to do when doing a drop attack anyway), battle jump doesn't specify what you do before dropping. Perhaps you jumped, perhaps someone carried you, or perhaps you climbed, but you somehow got above your opponent.

[GodGoblin]

Ah yeah didnt see 5 foot above the opponent, but still with a high enough jump check it work out. And Jump is one of those skills that hilariously easy to pump if memory serves.

[Snowbluff]

No, these are incompatible. Either you're dropping from a height (replacing the normal charge movement requirement) or you're making a horizontal jump (in addition to the normal charge movement). You can't do incompatible movements simultaneously.

Ugh. Dude, jumps use motion in both the x and y directions. If you're are dropping from the apex of a jump 20' feet wide, it's a legal maneuver. :smalltongue:


Dammit ninjaed...

[Rejakor]

If you want to houserule that 'falling' and 'moving through the air using a jump check' are two completely separate in-game actions, that's great, but RAW it works just fine as long as you can hit a high enough jump DC (which is non-trivial at lower levels, I might add).

Who cares anyway, it's only damage.

[JadePhoenix]

If you want to houserule that 'falling' and 'moving through the air using a jump check' are two completely separate in-game actions, that's great, but RAW it works just fine as long as you can hit a high enough jump DC (which is non-trivial at lower levels, I might add).

Who cares anyway, it's only damage.

Doesn't matter, dealt damage :smallamused:

[Rejakor]

Roll up a debuffer, hire a commoner with profession:executioner and an executioner's axe to deal the 'damage'.