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Morithias

2012-05-16, 01:39 AM

I looked in the arms and equipment guide and couldn't find anything of the nature of what I'm looking for.

What would you estimate would be the GP cost of a high-quality diamond ring/something you would propose marriage with.

The concept behind this proposal is actually quite interesting.

There is a lawful evil prince who wants to rule the world and is dating a blackguard who acts not only as his girlfriend but also as his bodyguard. Having levels in both master and merchant prince the prince opens a shop in order to make money without any real reason given. It seems that he's hoarding the money for himself, overworking himself and letting his greed take over. He collapses from overwork even with his ring of sustenance, and the Blackguard finds the ring box when she hangs up his cloak. It's revealed that he WAS hoarding the money, so he could buy her something to propose with, cause he wants them to join in unholy matrimony.

So prices...how much would a diamond ring/wedding band/whatever cost in D&D gold pieces?

SiuiS

2012-05-16, 01:48 AM

My table's take is that a diamond ring and the like is a work of art. The cost comes predominantly from the craftsmanship and not the components.

A good diamond looks to be, maybe, 100GP. The gold for the ring maybe two GP. The effort to make the ring, cutting the stone to reflect light, artfully position and size the band, etc. would be either arbitrary or based on the craft check of the jeweler of white smith.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-16, 01:49 AM

Treasure (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/treasure.htm). The gems section has examples of the worth of specific gems.

Combine this:

2d4 × 1,000 gp 5,000 gp Clearest bright green emerald; blue-white, canary, pink, brown, or blue diamond; jacinth

With this:

2d4 × 1,000 gp 5,000 gp Jeweled gold crown; jeweled electrum ring

And you get a ring made of electrum with a blue-white, canary, pink, brown or blue diamond and assorted jewels for 10,000 gp.

Morithias

2012-05-16, 01:53 AM

Treasure (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/treasure.htm). The gems section has examples of the worth of specific gems.

Combine this:

With this:

And you get a ring made of electrum with a blue-white, canary, pink, brown or blue diamond and assorted jewels for 10,000 gp.

Wow that's actually perfect. By the time he opens the shop it'll make around 1k a month, so in 10 months when we're half done taking over the world, he'll have enough money to buy it.

Thanks for the help!

Shadowknight12

2012-05-16, 01:55 AM

Wow that's actually perfect. By the time he opens the shop it'll make around 1k a month, so in 10 months when we're half done taking over the world, he'll have enough money to buy it.

Thanks for the help!

No problem! Glad I could help. I really like those tables, it really helps getting a feel of how much non-combat objects are worth in D&D.

EDIT: Also, I seriously like that backstory, I always like it when evil characters are given affections and motivations that make them more human, complex and sympathetic, rather than portraying them as two dimensional and stereotypical.

Morithias

2012-05-16, 02:10 AM

No problem! Glad I could help. I really like those tables, it really helps getting a feel of how much non-combat objects are worth in D&D.

EDIT: Also, I seriously like that backstory, I always like it when evil characters are given affections and motivations that make them more human, complex and sympathetic, rather than portraying them as two dimensional and stereotypical.

The ironic thing is that this campaign has probably the most insane backstory in terms of what's going on. Not helped by the fact that with my current character build I'm running FIVE characters.

The harvester devil Jebel is working for an eldirch abomination called "the first" to create a new god and upset the balance (Alex). Her motivation is driven by her love for the stage. She sees the world as her performance hall.

Alex is an evil prince who believes it's his divine right to rule, he rejects the gods in favor of worshipping the first, and carries the "tome of jebel" a mundane book that shows him how to rule an evil empire and harvest worshippers (aka be nice to them) so he can become a god.

Sabin is Alex's CE brother, and is an artificer. He invented a new weapon call the "Musket" and another called the "pistol" and wants to make money and alter the fields of war, he cares not for the throne or much of anything in general, he just wants to continue making magical item and weapons.

Iseria is Alex's aasimar girlfriend and is a blackguard/cleric (Geslalt) who is obsessed with being the best like no one ever was. If there is a combat tournament she's entering into it. In fact her winning such a tournament is how her and Alex met (love at first sight).

Yumi is Sabin's tiefling girlfriend who originally started out as a worker in his shop, but showed crazy musket firing abilities, and they bonded over the weapon. She goes NOWHERE without "Comet" a special +1 aptitude greater reliable musket hand forged and enchanted by Sabin.

So basically I'm playing two couples, where the boys are royalty and the girls warriors, and I'm also playing the harvester devil bard who is manipulating everyone to the first's ends.

I'll probably end up posting a campaign journal...this is going to either be the most awesome evil campaign, or crash and burn like a bad Disney sequel.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-16, 02:21 AM

The ironic thing is that this campaign has probably the most insane backstory in terms of what's going on. Not helped by the fact that with my current character build I'm running FIVE characters.

The harvester devil Jebel is working for an eldirch abomination called "the first" to create a new god and upset the balance (Alex). Her motivation is driven by her love for the stage. She sees the world as her performance hall.

Alex is an evil prince who believes it's his divine right to rule, he rejects the gods in favor of worshipping the first, and carries the "tome of jebel" a mundane book that shows him how to rule an evil empire and harvest worshippers (aka be nice to them) so he can become a god.

Sabin is Alex's CE brother, and is an artificer. He invented a new weapon call the "Musket" and another called the "pistol" and wants to make money and alter the fields of war, he cares not for the throne or much of anything in general, he just wants to continue making magical item and weapons.

Iseria is Alex's aasimar girlfriend and is a blackguard/cleric (Geslalt) who is obsessed with being the best like no one ever was. If there is a combat tournament she's entering into it. In fact her winning such a tournament is how her and Alex met (love at first sight).

Yumi is Sabin's tiefling girlfriend who originally started out as a worker in his shop, but showed crazy musket firing abilities, and they bonded over the weapon. She goes NOWHERE without "Comet" a special +1 aptitude greater reliable musket hand forged and enchanted by Sabin.

I don't know which one I like more, the acting devil, the evil aasimar, the crackshot tiefling, or the wildly different royal brothers. I see evil being played pretty awfully around the internet, so I'm glad to see someone who focuses on their personalities, goals and the fact that they're people, like everyone else, rather than on the "Omg evil so taboo!" aspect.

So basically I'm playing two couples, where the boys are royalty and the girls warriors, and I'm also playing the harvester devil bard who is manipulating everyone to the first's ends.

I'll probably end up posting a campaign journal...this is going to either be the most awesome evil campaign, or crash and burn like a bad Disney sequel.

I am a great fan of reversing typical gender roles, so that's just a cool cherry on an awesome cake.

You HAVE to post the campaign journal. I'll subscribe right away. Also, it has to be the most awesome evil campaign. It's too rad to crash and burn. :smallamused:

Morithias

2012-05-16, 02:42 AM

I don't know which one I like more, the acting devil, the evil aasimar, the crackshot tiefling, or the wildly different royal brothers. I see evil being played pretty awfully around the internet, so I'm glad to see someone who focuses on their personalities, goals and the fact that they're people, like everyone else, rather than on the "Omg evil so taboo!" aspect.

I am a great fan of reversing typical gender roles, so that's just a cool cherry on an awesome cake.

You HAVE to post the campaign journal. I'll subscribe right away. Also, it has to be the most awesome evil campaign. It's too rad to crash and burn. :smallamused:

Well thanks for your compliments. I'm really starting to like you, you're an insightful poster with a good understanding of the world.

The gender roles weren't originally reversed. At first it was the Artificer named Agatha heterodyne and her golems. Then when it turned out I was playing the Queen/King it became a fire souled princess named Patricia and her Black Knight Rance...then it became geslalt and I fleshed out her backstory to include the 'tome of Jebel' (The evil overlord list writen by a NE harvester devil Bard). Then I searched for a way to get a second cohort to command Jebel cause I didn't want to leave her in the DM's hands...this eventually evolved into gender swapping the knight and Patrica so that a love triangle could be there and switching the family name from Heterodyne to "Stratos", and then I decided on the merchant prince, Master from Dragonlance, and guildmaster feats letting me have 1 permanent cohort (The artificer) and 3 cohorts I swap around to deploy to battle (the knight, the musketeer, and Jebel).

...What you can't see the logical progression from a CN artificer who just wants to build things, to a LE tyrant who worships an elder evil and is in love with a Blackguard, while his brother is dating a sharpshooting tiefling, and the Bard is recording all this while laughing and making Faustian pacts to power up the castle staff?

Oh and at once point, all 4 characters were going to be male and all in love with Jebel, but since I stole the idea from the Shimazu brothers from an H-game, the DM banned it as it was crossing the line (thanks to the journal idea).

As for the journal itself....I'm going to have to post a thread to ask how those are done around here...plus my group VERY VERY rarely gets together, so it's going to be a slow posting thing....it might get necromancered and locked.

Thanks for your kind words though, I put a LOT of work into this.

As for the "Crash and burn"...well it depends if another PC decides to backstab me or not, one of my friends is VERY chaotic.

Stabbald

2012-05-16, 02:42 AM

Morithias

2012-05-16, 02:45 AM

Why would a prince need to open a store and personally work in it to the point of nearly killing himself just to buy a relatively cheap trinket? This doesn't seem to be a very evil thing to do, if he were a lawful good commoner it would make more sense.

Also judging by the names I'm guessing you guys are fans of JRPGs. :smalltongue:

"It doesn't mean anything if I just take money from the treasury! I need to earn the money myself, so the ring actually has meaning and soul to it! I am many things but I am NOT going to sloth myself when it comes to MY girlfriend/fiancee/wife!"

That's pretty much it. He sees it as being lazy and unfaithful. He needs to prove himself as determined and willing to work hard for her.

Edit: Also it's not just the store. He also grows flowers in his farm (royal garden) for her. Treats her with time, all while running the country. It's just that after 10 months of trying to balance 5-6 jobs and such, well...you crash and burn.

I do like JRPGS, but a lot of names were my friend's idea, and since he is DMing well...not wise to reject his ideas. Plus the names kinda stuck after a while..hell I think Jebel is the ONLY person not to have a name change at some point.

killem2

2012-05-16, 09:07 AM

Get a prenup! :P

Slipperychicken

2012-05-16, 10:04 AM

If our Prince can cast spells (I'm pretty sure Merchant Prince gives some), he could sell his spellcasting (use the Spellcasting Services (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/goodsAndServices.htm#spell) rules) for an impressive hunk of legitimate cash. Certainly more effective than working yourself to death on the business rules.

I once calculated that a level 9 Focused Specialist Wizard would net something like 1.8 million gp a year on spells alone. That's not the maximum potential, because I assumed that, since he's self-employed and was making more money than god, he gave himself 6 weeks of vacation and took weekends off.

Morithias

2012-05-16, 11:38 AM

Get a prenup! :P

Ha...cute.

If our Prince can cast spells (I'm pretty sure Merchant Prince gives some), he could sell his spellcasting (use the Spellcasting Services (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/goodsAndServices.htm#spell) rules) for an impressive hunk of legitimate cash. Certainly more effective than working yourself to death on the business rules.

I once calculated that a level 9 Focused Specialist Wizard would net something like 1.8 million gp a year on spells alone. That's not the maximum potential, because I assumed that, since he's self-employed and was making more money than god, he gave himself 6 weeks of vacation and took weekends off.

Yeah I know, that works, but then we wouldn't have the romantic implications. I'm pretty sure becoming fatigued from working doesn't even have rules (I don't think I've ever seen rules for fatigue from lack of rest). This is less about the money, and more about the romance.

Plus my DM wouldn't allow that, he doesn't want me snapping the world's economy in two.

King Atticus

2012-05-16, 12:06 PM

Traditional Rule of Thumb for buying an engagement ring is between 2 and 3 months salary. So if he's making 1k/month make it 3k and call it good. I know that's not giving you an actual game mechanics suggestion but I think it makes sense for a story-line related item (non-combat or survival related).

Slipperychicken

2012-05-16, 12:29 PM

Ha...cute.

Yeah I know, that works, but then we wouldn't have the romantic implications. I'm pretty sure becoming fatigued from working doesn't even have rules (I don't think I've ever seen rules for fatigue from lack of rest). This is less about the money, and more about the romance.

Agreed. It's much more cute/romantic to work yourself to death. If it actually matters mechanically, you could crib the forced march rules (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/movement.htm#forcedMarch) (assume marching takes roughly as much energy as working does). Of course, a high-level character can easily power through very long periods of such work, because at those levels, you're supposed to be performing herculean feats of endurance.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-17, 11:35 PM

Well thanks for your compliments. I'm really starting to like you, you're an insightful poster with a good understanding of the world.

Wow, thanks! That's the second positive comment I've ever got on these boards since I joined. :smalltongue:

The gender roles weren't originally reversed. At first it was the Artificer named Agatha heterodyne and her golems. Then when it turned out I was playing the Queen/King it became a fire souled princess named Patricia and her Black Knight Rance...then it became geslalt and I fleshed out her backstory to include the 'tome of Jebel' (The evil overlord list writen by a NE harvester devil Bard). Then I searched for a way to get a second cohort to command Jebel cause I didn't want to leave her in the DM's hands...this eventually evolved into gender swapping the knight and Patrica so that a love triangle could be there and switching the family name from Heterodyne to "Stratos", and then I decided on the merchant prince, Master from Dragonlance, and guildmaster feats letting me have 1 permanent cohort (The artificer) and 3 cohorts I swap around to deploy to battle (the knight, the musketeer, and Jebel).

Hah! Agatha Heterodyne! I'm not a follower of the webcomic myself, but I've heard good things about it.

Also, that's quite an interesting path. I always find it entertaining (in a "behind the scenes" way) to hear how characters evolve as parameters change in the campaign.

And again, huh, that's a VERY interesting way to have more than one cohort around (as is the maximum for Leadership). I have a friend who's very much into cohorts (even going as far as to refluff PF's eidolon as an ordinary humanoid), so I'm sure he'll be grateful for the tip.

...What you can't see the logical progression from a CN artificer who just wants to build things, to a LE tyrant who worships an elder evil and is in love with a Blackguard, while his brother is dating a sharpshooting tiefling, and the Bard is recording all this while laughing and making Faustian pacts to power up the castle staff?

Ahahaha, when you put it like that, it sounds hilarious. :smallbiggrin:

Convoluted, but ultimately logical, given how the parameters kept changing.

Oh and at once point, all 4 characters were going to be male and all in love with Jebel, but since I stole the idea from the Shimazu brothers from an H-game, the DM banned it as it was crossing the line (thanks to the journal idea).

Pffft, I've ran worse (though the journal would have to be heavily redacted, I admit). Tell your DM they are too squeamish. :smalltongue:

As for the journal itself....I'm going to have to post a thread to ask how those are done around here...plus my group VERY VERY rarely gets together, so it's going to be a slow posting thing....it might get necromancered and locked.

Thanks for your kind words though, I put a LOT of work into this.

I think you could PM a mod and ask them directly, but Homebrew allows the thread owner to revive their own thread, if necessary, so I think you could get a similar exemption.

No problem, I'm always glad to encourage good things (good writing, good characters, good stories, etc) whenever I find it. If you like to see your garden full of flowers instead of weeds, you have to take your time to tend to the plants. :smallsmile:

As for the "Crash and burn"...well it depends if another PC decides to backstab me or not, one of my friends is VERY chaotic.

Hrm. Well, I personally think it'd be a crying shame. That campaign deserves to have an epic finale and be remembered alongside Silvershift's.

Honest Tiefling

2012-05-18, 12:42 AM

Unless Electrum is something fancy in some sort of campaign setting, it is an alloy of gold and silver. I'd up the price and fork over the cash for gold, given that the new consort and wife of the next god to be deserves only the best (Unless the setting has different ideas regarding the wealth of silver and gold).

Another option is adamantine, given how hard the stuff is to work with. The craftmanship alone on that has got to be worth a lot. Maybe decorate it with silver dragonscales to really bring a good luster to the setting for the diamonds.

Morithias

2012-05-18, 01:09 AM

Wow, thanks! That's the second positive comment I've ever got on these boards since I joined. :smalltongue:

Well you're welcome. I'm trying to clean up my act since I lost my avatar for trolling :( Really taught me a lesson.

Hah! Agatha Heterodyne! I'm not a follower of the webcomic myself, but I've heard good things about it.

Also, that's quite an interesting path. I always find it entertaining (in a "behind the scenes" way) to hear how characters evolve as parameters change in the campaign.

I liked the webcomic, and I liked the idea of a noble who had a commoner uprising and who used machines to fight rather than putting herself on the field (cause let's face it you would NEVER put the royal family on the front lines in real life, unless you were doing honor before reason).

As for the path, glad you like it. I put probably 6-7 times the playtime into making each character. I don't think of myself a munchkin...more someone who just doesn't want to be dead weight. Of course I always make back stories and such.

And again, huh, that's a VERY interesting way to have more than one cohort around (as is the maximum for Leadership). I have a friend who's very much into cohorts (even going as far as to refluff PF's eidolon as an ordinary humanoid), so I'm sure he'll be grateful for the tip.

The Master only get the extra cohort if they take the Profession varient, and it's as weak as it seems. It's a class that revolves around the profession skill, but useful if you're willing to use the close cohort feat, and work off the business rules. As for guildmaster..you need Favored in guild, leadership, a guild feat (like skill focus or negotiator), and the guildmaster feat. It lets you swap out your cohort 1/day to DM approved characters, but it's useful.

Ahahaha, when you put it like that, it sounds hilarious. :smallbiggrin: Convoluted, but ultimately logical, given how the parameters kept changing.

There is a fine line between logic and insanity. I try not to cross it.

Pffft, I've ran worse (though the journal would have to be heavily redacted, I admit). Tell your DM they are too squeamish. :smalltongue:

I told him and he laughed. He said "This is not a Sengoku Rance game (Although we are using the map)" He doesn't want me basing my character off of H-game characters in his campaigns, mostly cause his campaigns have continuity...so it would be stuck in all future games that involved the Stratos family or Jebel.

I think you could PM a mod and ask them directly, but Homebrew allows the thread owner to revive their own thread, if necessary, so I think you could get a similar exemption.

I pmed Glyphstone and haven't got a reply, if I don't get one by Sunday I'll probably PM Roland and see what reply I get.

No problem, I'm always glad to encourage good things (good writing, good characters, good stories, etc) whenever I find it. If you like to see your garden full of flowers instead of weeds, you have to take your time to tend to the plants. :smallsmile:

Hrm. Well, I personally think it'd be a crying shame. That campaign deserves to have an epic finale and be remembered alongside Silvershift's.

Well it's good to encourage those things.

As for the betrayal, well the DM says he'll likely wait til the end of the campaign. He's probably mostly just screwing with my head to a large degree. my friend is Chaotic, but his is NEVER chaotic stupid, I'd almost call him a chaotic devil, rather than a demon. He is a VERY good planner.

Unless Electrum is something fancy in some sort of campaign setting, it is an alloy of gold and silver. I'd up the price and fork over the cash for gold, given that the new consort and wife of the next god to be deserves only the best (Unless the setting has different ideas regarding the wealth of silver and gold).

Another option is adamantine, given how hard the stuff is to work with. The craftmanship alone on that has got to be worth a lot. Maybe decorate it with silver dragonscales to really bring a good luster to the setting for the diamonds.

Adamantine WOULD be VERY fitting for a blood knight to wear as a wedding ring. I like the idea of her possibly using the diamond in her wedding ring to resurrect the prince when my friend kills him. To show she cares not for the money, but for him.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-18, 08:20 PM

Well you're welcome. I'm trying to clean up my act since I lost my avatar for trolling :( Really taught me a lesson.

Ah, yes, I know exactly what you mean.

I liked the webcomic, and I liked the idea of a noble who had a commoner uprising and who used machines to fight rather than putting herself on the field (cause let's face it you would NEVER put the royal family on the front lines in real life, unless you were doing honor before reason).

As for the path, glad you like it. I put probably 6-7 times the playtime into making each character. I don't think of myself a munchkin...more someone who just doesn't want to be dead weight. Of course I always make back stories and such.

Wow, that's a lot of investment. It definitely shows, those characters are definitely well thought-out and complex. Now, the problem is that not every player is willing to do the same. :smalltongue:

The Master only get the extra cohort if they take the Profession varient, and it's as weak as it seems. It's a class that revolves around the profession skill, but useful if you're willing to use the close cohort feat, and work off the business rules. As for guildmaster..you need Favored in guild, leadership, a guild feat (like skill focus or negotiator), and the guildmaster feat. It lets you swap out your cohort 1/day to DM approved characters, but it's useful.

Well, the extra cohort is worth it, I'm sure. As for the rest, yeah, I still think it's pretty darn useful, especially for solo games (which are the main ones I run/play in).

There is a fine line between logic and insanity. I try not to cross it.

HAH. Well said. Very well said.

I told him and he laughed. He said "This is not a Sengoku Rance game (Although we are using the map)" He doesn't want me basing my character off of H-game characters in his campaigns, mostly cause his campaigns have continuity...so it would be stuck in all future games that involved the Stratos family or Jebel.

Hah, well, in my campaigns, there's been a continuity of events that'd make an H-game creator blush. So while I understand his points (they're quite reasonable), I can safely say I wouldn't be so squeamish. After all, Rome did far worse, and yet you and I live in the same continuity!

I pmed Glyphstone and haven't got a reply, if I don't get one by Sunday I'll probably PM Roland and see what reply I get.

Good idea.

Well it's good to encourage those things.

As for the betrayal, well the DM says he'll likely wait til the end of the campaign. He's probably mostly just screwing with my head to a large degree. my friend is Chaotic, but his is NEVER chaotic stupid, I'd almost call him a chaotic devil, rather than a demon. He is a VERY good planner.

Hahaha, that's hilarious. Well, chaos theory is, after all, the best way to throw a spanner into someone's works. And chaotic plans are the least likely to be anticipated, so he's definitely onto something. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out!

Adamantine WOULD be VERY fitting for a blood knight to wear as a wedding ring. I like the idea of her possibly using the diamond in her wedding ring to resurrect the prince when my friend kills him. To show she cares not for the money, but for him.

I got the way to calculate the volume of a wedding band, but then I realised that A) I don't have the density of adamantine, and B) I don't have the value of a pound of adamantine (as mithril does), so it's factually impossible to find out how much a band of adamantine would be worth. Having said that, an arrowhead would contain roughly as much adamantine as a wedding band and it's priced at +60GP.

That sounds a little too cheap, so we can extrapolate from the electrum ring example. If electrum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrum) is 40% gold, then a pure gold ring would be 12500 GP. If we assume that the rarity of adamantine is the same as pure gold, then we double the price for having to work with such an unyielding metal as adamantine, that puts the price of the ring at exactly 30,000 GP, diamond and other gems included.

Morithias

2012-05-18, 09:10 PM

Shadowknight12

2012-05-18, 09:47 PM

30k looks very expensive...the key problem here is time.

The DM is allowing us one attack a week, 4 attacks a month, and I make monthly profit checks. There are around 30 areas to attack that range from 2 to 8, average 4 sub-areas we take to take over.

I calculated the shop. In 3 levels when I open it, It'll bring in 1750 gp a month.

That means for a 30k ring I'd have to work for around 18 months to bring in enough money. Of course given how much we can attack, it will take that long to finish the campaign, assuming we don't vassal anyone.

I arbitrarily doubled the price; if you think a ring of adamantine is on par with a ring of pure gold, then the price becomes 17500 GP, reachable in a mere 10 months.

Glad you like the characters and what I've done. I've talked to the DM about the log and he's on board, the main problem is getting everyone together, and getting the DM to get to work on the enemies. He's working on it...but slowly.

Yikes, I know exactly what it's like. Well, here's to hoping it all starts flowing smoothly!

Nice point about Rome and the squeamish thing, but again, he's the DM. Not wise to argue with or tick off.

Ah, quite true.

Plus it would've been weird to play 4 brother in love with one girl...plus it would've put Jebel too front and centre. She's an actor yes, but a subtle one, she doesn't want to be marrying a prince in a giant celebration.

Yes, you're right. But on the other hand... the lure of the wacky hijinks... :smalltongue:

Shame we're not meeting this week, I really want to get this going! *Sighs*

Drat. Well, let's hope you guys get together soon! I'm an avid follower of several different LPs, and I definitely understand what it's like having to wait several days for each update, so I see your upcoming campaign log much in the same way. :smallsmile:

Morithias

2012-05-18, 09:59 PM

I arbitrarily doubled the price; if you think a ring of adamantine is on par with a ring of pure gold, then the price becomes 17500 GP, reachable in a mere 10 months.(1)

Yikes, I know exactly what it's like. Well, here's to hoping it all starts flowing smoothly!(2)

Ah, quite true.

Yes, you're right. But on the other hand... the lure of the wacky hijinks... :smalltongue:(3)

Drat. Well, let's hope you guys get together soon! I'm an avid follower of several different LPs, and I definitely understand what it's like having to wait several days for each update, so I see your upcoming campaign log much in the same way. :smallsmile: (4)

(1) True, and a very good point, but of course Alex wants the best of the best of the best for Iseria. She deserves nothing less as his girlfriend (Alex may have an ego to rival Seto Kaiba's but that doesn't mean he doesn't love her)

(2) Same here. I think the fact you're showing so much interest is getting him off his ass, so keep pestering me.

(3) True, it would be funny, but also hard to roleplay. It's hard enough to roleplay a couple, more or less a harem.

(4) I do have ONE idea for how to keep the thread alive within the 6 weeks, but it's a bit iffy, and fanficy...it's called "Cutscenes".

The DM has told me this roleplay is going to be low roleplay possibly, mostly conquest and stuff. I could balance out the empty weeks by adding cutscenes with my characters. Alex and Iseria hanging out in the garden, Sabin and Yumi making muskets, and Jebel talking to the first and making faustian pacts.

On the other hand that would be a TON of work, and if it turns out to be poor writing...well I won't be endearing anyone. I'm not even sure if that's proper to do in "campaign logs" log the stuff that isn't happening on screen.

What's your take on it?

Edit: Of course I could just post small amounts at a time, and keep things posting slowly rather than all at once. God I'm stupid.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-18, 10:40 PM

(1) True, and a very good point, but of course Alex wants the best of the best of the best for Iseria. She deserves nothing less as his girlfriend (Alex may have an ego to rival Seto Kaiba's but that doesn't mean he doesn't love her)

(2) Same here. I think the fact you're showing so much interest is getting him off his ass, so keep pestering me.

(3) True, it would be funny, but also hard to roleplay. It's hard enough to roleplay a couple, more or less a harem.

(4) I do have ONE idea for how to keep the thread alive within the 6 weeks, but it's a bit iffy, and fanficy...it's called "Cutscenes".

The DM has told me this roleplay is going to be low roleplay possibly, mostly conquest and stuff. I could balance out the empty weeks by adding cutscenes with my characters. Alex and Iseria hanging out in the garden, Sabin and Yumi making muskets, and Jebel talking to the first and making faustian pacts.

On the other hand that would be a TON of work, and if it turns out to be poor writing...well I won't be endearing anyone. I'm not even sure if that's proper to do in "campaign logs" log the stuff that isn't happening on screen.

What's your take on it?

Edit: Of course I could just post small amounts at a time, and keep things posting slowly rather than all at once. God I'm stupid.

1) Well, ask your DM, then. The rules are officially vague as to how much adamantine is worth in comparison to pure gold, so if he tells you an equivalence, I can calculate it for you (or you can do it yourself, hah). Another option I just thought of is platinum. In D&D, platinum is worth ten times as much as gold, so if you want to give her a ring of pure platinum, that'd be 130,000 GP (75 months!!!). If we take the original electrum ring and replace gold with platinum (for an alloy that's 60% silver, 40% platinum), that should give you a 55,000 GP ring, affordable within 32 months.

2) Hmmmmm. Pestering. Pestering. How can I pester some more...? Oh, I know, keep bugging him with the adamantine thing. We need to get an official answer! Wedding rings are a matter of utmost importance! :smallbiggrin:

3) Ah, true, I'd forgot about that.

4) I think cutscenes are great. I actually did something like that for a lot of the games I played (only the "cutscenes" were the things that couldn't be posted on PG-13 boards, and were done privately between the players; they were also not critical to the game or anything). I also once had players keep diaries for bonus XP, which were personal perspectives on the events that happened in the game. I am personally all for that. I think it greatly enriches a game.

Also, if you need a hand with writing, I help out fan-fiction/amateur writers for a hobby whenever I can spare the time. :smallsmile:

Morithias

2012-05-18, 11:01 PM

1) Well, ask your DM, then. The rules are officially vague as to how much adamantine is worth in comparison to pure gold, so if he tells you an equivalence, I can calculate it for you (or you can do it yourself, hah). Another option I just thought of is platinum. In D&D, platinum is worth ten times as much as gold, so if you want to give her a ring of pure platinum, that'd be 130,000 GP (75 months!!!). If we take the original electrum ring and replace gold with platinum (for an alloy that's 60% silver, 40% platinum), that should give you a 55,000 GP ring, affordable within 32 months.

2) Hmmmmm. Pestering. Pestering. How can I pester some more...? Oh, I know, keep bugging him with the adamantine thing. We need to get an official answer! Wedding rings are a matter of utmost importance! :smallbiggrin:

3) Ah, true, I'd forgot about that.

4) I think cutscenes are great. I actually did something like that for a lot of the games I played (only the "cutscenes" were the things that couldn't be posted on PG-13 boards, and were done privately between the players; they were also not critical to the game or anything). I also once had players keep diaries for bonus XP, which were personal perspectives on the events that happened in the game. I am personally all for that. I think it greatly enriches a game.

Also, if you need a hand with writing, I help out fan-fiction/amateur writers for a hobby whenever I can spare the time. :smallsmile:

(1) Of course the 32 months is debating on the whole legacy champion thing and my ranks going up over the course of the campaign.

Funny how we went from 10/7 months to 32 months. Alex is a big spender.

(2) Ha..I'll tell him you're interested, but I won't pester him about the ring, he'll just tell me to get off my ass and do it myself. lol

(3) I got nothing to say here.

(4)Well you're the main client so far so I guess cut scenes aren't a bad idea. Plus it'll give me something to write.

My writing isn't awful, at least not compared to most fan-fiction. I'm just not sure if it's up to par with this board. I've seen some AWESOME writing on here, and also other campaign logs, like the "Nao" artificial human.

I just don't want to write it and it be a big let down...especially after all the build up. Heh.

I'll probably post it after the first session. Whenever the hell that is.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-18, 11:29 PM

(1) Of course the 32 months is debating on the whole legacy champion thing and my ranks going up over the course of the campaign.

Funny how we went from 10/7 months to 32 months. Alex is a big spender.

(2) Ha..I'll tell him you're interested, but I won't pester him about the ring, he'll just tell me to get off my ass and do it myself. lol

(3) I got nothing to say here.

(4)Well you're the main client so far so I guess cut scenes aren't a bad idea. Plus it'll give me something to write.

My writing isn't awful, at least not compared to most fan-fiction. I'm just not sure if it's up to par with this board. I've seen some AWESOME writing on here, and also other campaign logs, like the "Nao" artificial human.

I just don't want to write it and it be a big let down...especially after all the build up. Heh.

I'll probably post it after the first session. Whenever the hell that is.

1) He could keep spending! There are more expensive metals out there, I'm sure (Riverine?).

2) Hah! Well, you could leave out the ring entirely and ask him to tell you how much more than gold is adamantine worth in his setting... :smallwink:

4) Yeah, it will definitely give you something to do between "updates" as it were.

Well, I think it's entirely up to you where you put your standards. If you want to place your standards high, you're going to have to put on some extra effort. Having said that, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with "good enough" as each of us sees fit. I know I don't reproach any writer who says "I could do better, sure, but I'm okay with this."

Morithias

2012-05-18, 11:41 PM

1) He could keep spending! There are more expensive metals out there, I'm sure (Riverine?).

2) Hah! Well, you could leave out the ring entirely and ask him to tell you how much more than gold is adamantine worth in his setting... :smallwink:

3) Yeah, it will definitely give you something to do between "updates" as it were.

Well, I think it's entirely up to you where you put your standards. If you want to place your standards high, you're going to have to put on some extra effort. Having said that, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with "good enough" as each of us sees fit. I know I don't reproach any writer who says "I could do better, sure, but I'm okay with this."

1) (God this is so much easier to read than the endless quotes) Ha...Well he could but there's a limit, he refuses to go into the royal treasury (plus the DM won't let me, when I wrote up my character as a prince the first thing he told me was "you don't start with millions of gp"). So all the money is tied up anyways with the exception of the extra tax money we make over conquest.

2) Clever, I think one could calculate it by taking the average value of adamantium compared to the average value of mitheral and crush the numbers. I'll get on that later.

3) How very poetic about standards. It's not that my standards are LOW it's just more that I don't read a ton of books. I mean I write a lot, but my grammar and such leaves to be desired...plus tv tropes has ruined my life. I'm debating if the first post is just going to be character sheets with a bunch of trope links, derailing everyone on the first post LOL! (JK I would never do that on this forum).

Shadowknight12

2012-05-19, 12:22 AM

1) (God this is so much easier to read than the endless quotes) Ha...Well he could but there's a limit, he refuses to go into the royal treasury (plus the DM won't let me, when I wrote up my character as a prince the first thing he told me was "you don't start with millions of gp"). So all the money is tied up anyways with the exception of the extra tax money we make over conquest.

2) Clever, I think one could calculate it by taking the average value of adamantium compared to the average value of mitheral and crush the numbers. I'll get on that later.

3) How very poetic about standards. It's not that my standards are LOW it's just more that I don't read a ton of books. I mean I write a lot, but my grammar and such leaves to be desired...plus tv tropes has ruined my life. I'm debating if the first post is just going to be character sheets with a bunch of trope links, derailing everyone on the first post LOL! (JK I would never do that on this forum).

1) Hmmmmm. What about WBL? Can you spare some of that for the ring? If you make it high enough level, such an expense could be a triviality. Failing that, you could buy a single casting of True Creation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/spells/trueCreation.htm) and then a single casting of Fabricate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fabricate.htm) to get yourself a ring of whatever precious metal you desired, with plenty of leftover material to sell. You'd have to crunch the numbers (since you have to pay in GP for the XP cost you're inflicting on the caster, and you'd have to find a spellcaster with ranks in Craft(Jewellery)), but it might be a way to have the same quality for the final product for less money (though it would require a significant investment of time to find the appropriate spellcasters).

2) The problem is that adamantine prices scale linearly while mithril prices scale exponentially. They are impossible to compare on a mathematical level.

3) Well, poetic or not, I'm the kind of writer who says "this is good enough" all the time, so it'd be hypocritical of me not to support that philosophy. :smalltongue:

I don't think it's wrong to make a preliminary post with character sheets and "inspiration sources" but a good idea could be to write some bios or some pre-game cutscenes to get us in the mind of the characters and start warming up your writing muscles (and get a good grip on your characters). If only to fill up the first post a little.

Morithias

2012-05-19, 12:31 AM

1) Hmmmmm. What about WBL? Can you spare some of that for the ring? If you make it high enough level, such an expense could be a triviality. Failing that, you could buy a single casting of True Creation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/spells/trueCreation.htm) and then a single casting of Fabricate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fabricate.htm) to get yourself a ring of whatever precious metal you desired, with plenty of leftover material to sell. You'd have to crunch the numbers (since you have to pay in GP for the XP cost you're inflicting on the caster, and you'd have to find a spellcaster with ranks in Craft(Jewellery)), but it might be a way to have the same quality for the final product for less money (though it would require a significant investment of time to find the appropriate spellcasters).

2) The problem is that adamantine prices scale linearly while mithril prices scale exponentially. They are impossible to compare on a mathematical level.

3) Well, poetic or not, I'm the kind of writer who says "this is good enough" all the time, so it'd be hypocritical of me not to support that philosophy. :smalltongue:

I don't think it's wrong to make a preliminary post with character sheets and "inspiration sources" but a good idea could be to write some bios or some pre-game cutscenes to get us in the mind of the characters and start warming up your writing muscles (and get a good grip on your characters). If only to fill up the first post a little.

1) Well I'm not entirely sure how WBL is going to work, since we have an artificer in the party (Sabin). As for the fabricate thing...sorry I can't do that.

I mean it's a great idea and all, but it's just feels wrong. Yes it would lower the price a lot, and I suppose SOMEONE has to make the ring, it just seems wrong. It's probably an economical fallacy, similar to paying more for the same food cause you're in a fancy restaurant rather than a sit down...but I'm just not sure.

Maybe I can have the work thing be Sabin's idea, he's going to charge Alex extra for the ring, "cause you have to prove to her that you deserve her".

2) Well there goes that idea. Stupid math.

3)Good idea. I'll get to work on those. Let's see if I post one character's backstory each week, that comes to 5 weeks currently, 6 if we include the first meeting of the group planning their assault, if my D&D group hasn't met in six weeks I'm going to go haywire and start calling people on the phone.

As soon as I get a reply from a mod I'll post Jebel's backstory. Let me get to work on it.

Shadowknight12

2012-05-20, 08:56 PM

1) Well I'm not entirely sure how WBL is going to work, since we have an artificer in the party (Sabin). As for the fabricate thing...sorry I can't do that.

I mean it's a great idea and all, but it's just feels wrong. Yes it would lower the price a lot, and I suppose SOMEONE has to make the ring, it just seems wrong. It's probably an economical fallacy, similar to paying more for the same food cause you're in a fancy restaurant rather than a sit down...but I'm just not sure.

Maybe I can have the work thing be Sabin's idea, he's going to charge Alex extra for the ring, "cause you have to prove to her that you deserve her".

2) Well there goes that idea. Stupid math.

3)Good idea. I'll get to work on those. Let's see if I post one character's backstory each week, that comes to 5 weeks currently, 6 if we include the first meeting of the group planning their assault, if my D&D group hasn't met in six weeks I'm going to go haywire and start calling people on the phone.

As soon as I get a reply from a mod I'll post Jebel's backstory. Let me get to work on it.

1) Ahhh, I see. Good to know, though.

2) :smallfrown:

3) Sounds like a plan! Let's hope you get a mod reply soon.