Where were the tyranids during the old warhammer days?

[gooddragon1]

Where were the tyranids during the old warhammer days?

I'm just wondering if they were ever even mentioned?

[GenericFighter]

Probably the same place Skaven went in 40K.

[Eldan]

Actually, the Skaven or skaven-like things are mentioned here and there in 40k. So, that makes this interesting. Especially since the Tyranids are so very old in 40k history.

Edit: see the Hrud (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=40k+skaven&hl=en&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=0_aI7Qhtca0j2M:&imgrefurl=http://www.40kforums.com/vb/showthread.php/27022-LOL-40K-Skaven&docid=0vgXbFoAQ5vdDM&imgurl=http://www.warhammer.cz/img/Clanky/Hrud.jpg&w=425&h=469&ei=FjG7T864HMbdigf20rXTCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=668&vpy=2&dur=1200&hovh=236&hovw=214&tx=132&ty=114&sig=108305522062819128853&page=1&tbnh=104&tbnw=93&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:82&biw=925&bih=552), ignoring the newer painting. Nocturnal warriors that can not be seen, toxic vapours, strange warp effects, rat tails...

[nyarlathotep]

Back when the settings had any overlap, the tyranids were one off monsters that did not form a large army. They were just hunterkillers (how eventually became termagaunts) and the zoats. In modern warhammer lore there is no crossover with 40k.

That being said if you want to crossover, the tyranids didn't enter human space until well after the old warhammer verse would have ended, because they come from a different galaxy entirely.

[The Glyphstone]

Eating the squats.

[Mauve Shirt]

Under the couch, of course.
If you weren't very careful with your miniatures.

[Bouregard]

Where were the tyranids during the old warhammer days?



Eating Orks... There are a lots of them out there.

[Mx.Silver]

They were part of an alliance with the Fimir and the Zoats. They had a whole worldwide campaign event based around their battles with the Fishmen and the armies of Cathay - back when Games Workshop still did those things.

[Tyndmyr]

Where were the tyranids during the old warhammer days?

I'm just wondering if they were ever even mentioned?

They existed in Necromunga, which is pretty ancient...I think I've got some original books for that, still. They were Genestealer cults back then, and the 'nids were not nearly so developed as they later were...was basically just Genestealers, with oblique mentions of larger gribbly things.

Skaven also existed in this setting, essentially. Big tribes of rat people.

Back then, fantasy/40k crossovers were pretty common, and the view that fantasy was a world in the 40k universe was quite normal. I don't know if that's still the case.

[hamishspence]

One of the gaming shops I visit has a copy of Rogue Trader (owned by a member of the club that plays there) available to be read by people coming in.

It mentions tyranid hive fleets among other things.

[Eldan]

They were part of an alliance with the Fimir and the Zoats. They had a whole worldwide campaign event based around their battles with the Fishmen and the armies of Cathay - back when Games Workshop still did those things.

You forgot Albion and the squats.

[Mx.Silver]

You forgot Albion and the squats.

No no, you're thinking of the second campaign. You know, the one with the Jokaero invasion of Araby as a sub-plot. A lot of people get the two confused because Kislev won both of them, but they were different events.

[ChaosLord29]

Have you guys thought that maybe you have it backwards?

My favorite theory is that in fact, Warhammer 40k predates Warhammer Fantasy in terms of canonical chronology.

The theory goes something like this. At some point, during the events of the 41st or the 42nd or perhaps even approaching the 50th Millenium, Chaos is victorious. The forces of order and reason are overwhelmed, the Imperium of Man succumbs and all of the galaxy and perhaps creation is corrupted by the taint of Chaos. The galaxy is left in a perpetual state of absolute chaos, and the warp envelops real space completely. The Chaos gods sit back, satisfied and content and . . .

Hold up a second! The Gods of Chaos? Content?! Hell no! If we've learned anything to this point its that Chaos is it's own worst enemy, and not just in the 'they're willing to war with each other' kind of way. If the entirety of creation has now succumb to Chaos, then there is no order, nothing for Chaos to rebel against, and even the infighting and scheming amongst the gods loses its appeal as they have nothing left to corrupt to their influence.

True Chaos can only be expressed in the presence of order and reason to oppose it, and thus a solution is devised. The Chaos Gods reshape creation, not simply in their own image, but they allow the lesser races to once again express themselves in opposition to Chaos as ordered and pure beings. Their creation is simpler, not a whole galaxy or cosmos to manipulate and control, just a single planet, it's all they really need to be happy. They go back to the old ways, and make sure that magic is always a strong enough force to temper the advance of technology. They even bind up their own power and influence around the poles to make sport of it, that the conflict between Chaos and order can be perpetuated and expressed eternally. The Eldar are reborn as the Elves, Humans and orcs remain much the same, but their new world of magic gives rise to other new races and powers and factions, all the better to continue the eternal struggle on which they feed.

tl;dr?

You guys have it backwards. Warhammer Fantasy takes place after the events of the 41st Millennium.

[maglag]

What you've got to take in mind is that the warhammer world is limited to a single planet in the 40k galaxy, and nids only managed to spread themselves to a part of the galaxy.

Or perhaps they are there, but have "gone native" and can't be distinguished from all the natural crazy fauna. The catchan devil for example is a nid that ended up fully adapting to the catchan's homeworld.




Back then, fantasy/40k crossovers were pretty common, and the view that fantasy was a world in the 40k universe was quite normal. I don't know if that's still the case.

The latest Warhammer fantasy codexes fully support it. Four chaos gods and all their daemons, name by name and aspect? Check. Old ones that ruled the universe long ago and traveled the stars and engineered stuff all around? Check. Humans who serve chaos geting super armor/weapons and powers and eventually ascending to daemon princes or spawns, check. Psykers/sorcerors who draw energy from the warp and risk blowing up their own brains, check. Orc/ks that can make the impossible happen just by believing hard enough on it and with grots that have an uncanny talent for making machines, check.

[Eldan]

The latest Warhammer fantasy codexes fully support it. Four chaos gods and all their daemons, name by name and aspect? Check. Old ones that ruled the universe long ago and traveled the stars and engineered stuff all around? Check. Humans who serve chaos geting super armor/weapons and powers and eventually ascending to daemon princes or spawns, check. Psykers/sorcerors who draw energy from the warp and risk blowing up their own brains, check. Orc/ks that can make the impossible happen just by believing hard enough on it and with grots that have an uncanny talent for making machines, check.

That just makes the two worlds very similar, and building on the same themes. Not the same.

In older books, there were hints that Sigmar was a lost Primarch, and you could find laser and plasma weapons as random treasure.

[Ninjadeadbeard]

The theory goes something like this. At some point, during the events of the 41st or the 42nd or perhaps even approaching the 50th Millenium, Chaos is victorious. The forces of order and reason are overwhelmed, the Imperium of Man succumbs and all of the galaxy and perhaps creation is corrupted by the taint of Chaos. The galaxy is left in a perpetual state of absolute chaos, and the warp envelops real space completely. The Chaos gods sit back, satisfied and content and . . .

:smallfurious: Heresy! Heresy! Purge the Unclean! :smallfurious: :smalltongue:

Actually I'm pretty sure the Tyranids were all just playing MTG (http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/arcana/304_necroticsliver.jpg).