Rapid Wrath

[VGLordR2]

Hey, guys. In Ghostwalk, there is a weapon called Rapid Wrath. It is a +1 mighty cleaving shortspear. It also has the unique ability of doubling the speed of anyone who carries it. It can be purchased for 11,702 GP. I found two threads that reverse-engineered the pricing and found that the effect that doubles speed is a flat +3,400 GP enhancement. However, neither thread mentioned how this was worked out. Can anyone show me what they did to find that this enhancement is worth 3,400 GP?

Also, can the doubling effect stack (since the item needs only to be carried) for truly cheesy results?

[killianh]

They probably use the DM's magic item creation guild to make a +1 cleaving mighty weapon and then deducted the market price for it and found that 3400 gp was left over, and called that the cost of the feature.

As for whether it stacks, if it and the ability you wish to use it with doesn't state that it cannot be stacked with another ability then they stack.

[VGLordR2]

They probably use the DM's magic item creation guild to make a +1 cleaving mighty weapon and then deducted the market price for it and found that 3400 gp was left over, and called that the cost of the feature.
I worked it out, and that seems to be the way it was done. Is it valid to apply this enhancement to other weapons using the 3,400 GP price?

[ILM]

It's not unless your DM houserules it so. And he'd be kinda crazy to IMO, cause doubling your speed for 3,400 gp is... nice.

[VGLordR2]

A level 20 character can afford 64 of these things... This would allow the character to travel at 92,233,720,368,547,758,080 feet per second, which is about 10,000,000,000 times faster than the speed of light. And that's only on a single move from a standard Human. Man, this item allows things to get nuts fast.

[Pilo]

A level 20 character can afford 64 of these things... This would allow the character to travel at 92,233,720,368,547,758,080 feet per second, which is about 10,000,000,000 times faster than the speed of light. And that's only on a single move from a standard Human. Man, this item allows things to get nuts fast.

False: in D&D (n x 2 x 2) = n x 3! So it would only be 65 * PC Speed.

[Golden Ladybug]

...I'm fairly certain that it doesn't stack. In general, bonuses from the same source don't.

And if it does, then I've been wasting a significant portion of my time trying to make the fastest (other than Chuck) build ever :smallfrown:

[Morph Bark]

False: in D&D (n x 2 x 2) = n x 3!

So (n x 2 x 2) = n x 3 x 2 x 1? :smalltongue:

[PairO'Dice Lost]

False: in D&D (n x 2 x 2) = n x 3! So it would only be 65 * PC Speed.

This only applies for metagame values (e.g. crit multipliers); real-world values, explicitly including distance and movement speeds, use real-world math.

That doesn't matter, though, because as Golden Ladybug pointed out, identical effects from the same source overlap rather than stacking. 20 copies of the ability would mean that you would be extra-resistant to it being dispelled, but the effect itself would only actually apply once.

It's possible to get stupidly-fast speeds in D&D through cheese (for instance, you can get a run speed of Mach 5 or more through bloodline abuse and a few dips), but it's not so easy that you can do it with this property.

[VGLordR2]

Where is the rule about effect stacking? I've never seen it before.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Where is the rule about effect stacking? I've never seen it before.

Here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#combiningMagicalEffects), or Chapter 10 of the PHB.

[VGLordR2]

I'm not sure that Rapid Wrath's ability is a bonus. It only says that it "doubles the speed of a creature that carries it". I don't think that that is a bonus.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

I'm not sure that Rapid Wrath's ability is a bonus. It only says that it "doubles the speed of a creature that carries it". I don't think that that is a bonus.

It isn't a bonus, but that doesn't matter; the stacking rules apply to any effect, from numerical bonuses to speed boosts to polymorph effects to mind control and more. The specific polymorph example was removed from the SRD, but it's clearer in the PHB.

[Keld Denar]

I don't have Ghostwalk, but check out the spells required. I bet that the double speed part is bases on Expeditious Retreat. Ghostwalk is a 3.0 supplement. 3.0 Expeditious Retreat worked different than 3.5. If you used the DMG recommendation of using 3.0 sources with minor updates, converting to 3.5 Expeditious Retreat which makes it an enhancement bonus that caps at 30 feet would be prudent.

[Slipperychicken]

This does come from the same book as Gloves of the Master Strategist (Glove of Storing + 1/day Truestrike for like 3400) and Flesh of Orcus (Turns you into a freakin Vampire for 6k!). So Ghostwalk is far from the best with item pricing, and is 3.0 material.