Magic Sword: Fourth Edition Reborn

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Wasn't Dark Elf gonna do period stuff, I was gonna do powers and monsters, etc. Are you sure?:smallconfused:

Also, what about Wombat of Doom?

I never got a responce as to what I should be doing...so I just lurked. At the moment I'm a bit bogged down with some RL art commissions at the moment. However, is there anything you need professionally colored that you have line art for, or maps that need to be done, or something of these natures?

[Surrealistik]

Err... I'm not sure. This might lead to stacking hell (see twin strike and stunned condition)

Personally, I don't see what the problem is; it's not unlike stacking simple damage; ongoing is simply a recurring form.

From a PC perspective, how many will get to stack ongoing damage reliably anyways, even if you felt this was an issue?

[Dark Elf Bard]

The YouTube thing is a good idea.

For the company, I have a few ideas:

- Analog Games
- Clockwork Games
- Demon Idol Games
- Jewelled Eye Games

Gimmee a few hours and I'll have some cool names.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I never got a responce as to what I should be doing...so I just lurked. At the moment I'm a bit bogged down with some RL art commissions at the moment. However, is there anything you need professionally colored that you have line art for, or maps that need to be done, or something of these natures?

I'm glad to see you back! Could you draw and colour a Shrooman?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I'm glad to see you back! Could you draw and colour a Shrooman?

That's neither of the options I offered with my current work load...but what's a Shrooman again?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

That's neither of the options I offered with my current work load...but what's a Shrooman again?

A vaguely humanoid fungus monster. See the Myconid in the 4e MM2 for inspiration.

[Gligarman2]

So, are we going to have monsters that would previously be considered Good?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Elves. :smallbiggrin:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

So, are we going to have monsters that would previously be considered Good?

Dryads, which can now be any alignment.

Also, I'm entirely open to adding or removing monsters from the list. If you have anything you would like to change, please tell me.

[Gligarman2]

I think that there should be some more "good" monsters. Also, may I suggest the sheer awesomeness of the Hangman Golem? A golem made of bloody ropes that slides across the ground as an assassin. Or how about an intelligent Animated Object? Or perhaps a psychic enemy who flings trash around to attack, or builds himself a suit of armor made of rock? Telekinesis is woefully under appreciated.

[Dark Elf Bard]

...You're just suggesting that 'cause you want to draw it, aren't you.


:smallbiggrin:

[Gligarman2]

Suggesting which? I suggested three monsters.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Allllll of them.

[Gligarman2]

Not just. However, I do want to draw a Hangman Golem and the telekinetic man.:smallbiggrin: Please, Mr. Hobbit?

[Gligarman2]

So you live in San Francisco, CA, and Chainsaw lives in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada? That's pretty far.


Also, how's the indiegogo campaign going?

Edit: Also, Wombat is in Pennsylvania.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'm waiting until we have a more coherent project and a playtest to do an IndieGoGo. I'm also not sure what to use for rewards.

If we do include more "good" monsters, they will be statted as companion characters like in the 4e DMG2. I quite like the idea, though, so expect to see something of that ilk.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I'm in Pennsylvainia.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

At some point, I'm going to release a PDF of playtest stuff containing game rules, an adventure, and pre-made characters. I hope someone will run it in person and post the video.

[Dark Elf Bard]

So you live in San Francisco, CA, and Chainsaw lives in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada? That's pretty far.


Also, how's the indiegogo campaign going?

I'm in SF... how about you, Gligar? In a pokeball?

[Gligarman2]

I'm a proud New Yorker, actually.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I'm a proud New Yorker, actually.

Ah neighbors!

*looks down* Annnnnnnnnnnnnd suddenly my hand is bleeding...wtc....

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Ah neighbors!

*looks down* Annnnnnnnnnnnnd suddenly my hand is bleeding...wtc....

That's ... scary.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Ah neighbors!

*looks down* Annnnnnnnnnnnnd suddenly my hand is bleeding...wtc....

What? Pencil stab? :eek:

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I have no idea! I must have cut it on something as I walked past it or something...lots of blood...chunk missing from hand...

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I have no idea! I must have cut it on something as I walked past it or something...lots of blood...chunk missing from hand...

That happens to me from time to time. Its strange how it doesn't hurt until you notice it.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Indeed. Sorry for the distraction!

[Dark Elf Bard]

How many fingers do you have?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

How many fingers do you have?

8...why do you ask?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Missing two?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Two thumbs, silly.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Aren't those fingers?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Technically nope. But I do use them to draw! And I shall do my best to finsh these shroomthings and get some rendering to you in the near future!

[Gligarman2]

I wouldn't happen to be late with my art, would I?

Also, Docs coming Soon!

[Dark Elf Bard]

Ravenpriest!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8pvbqmCGn1r3i394o1_500.jpg

I did a little experimentation with perspective, here.

[Gligarman2]

A few questions:

1. Am I submitting on time?

2. What did you think of my monster suggestions?

3. Not a question: Expect google docs soon.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Ravenpriest!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8pvbqmCGn1r3i394o1_500.jpg

I did a little experimentation with perspective, here.

My favourite of your drawings so far. I like it very much.

[Gligarman2]

My favourite of your drawings so far. I like it very much.

Really? I'd disagree. That would be his wizard.

(Also, could you please look over my previous comments and answer?:smallfrown::frown:)

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

A few questions:

1. Am I submitting on time?

2. What did you think of my monster suggestions?

3. Not a question: Expect google docs soon.

1. Yes. You are doing fine.

2. The psychic trash-flinging guy sounds like a cool NPC for an adventure. The "good" monsters should be statted up companion character style.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Perspective okay? I was experimenting with the viewing and pose. Looks really cool, but a little wonky.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Perspective okay? I was experimenting with the viewing and pose. Looks really cool, but a little wonky.

Its totally fine. I like the perspective.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Thanks! I'm very proud of it. One of my best fantasy drawings ever!


Hey, should the occultist wear robes or leather?

Since he has a sword, maybe combat leather, but a cultist I thought would wear robes.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Thanks! I'm very proud of it. One of my best fantasy drawings ever!


Hey, should the occultist wear robes or leather?

Since he has a sword, maybe combat leather, but a cultist I thought would wear robes.

Probably leather.

[Gligarman2]

Could you make a spell or template for the trash-psychic? (Preferably one that needs illustration!:smallbiggrin:)

[Dark Elf Bard]

Guess what, I'm almost done with the mycanoid! *hugs Hobbit, Gligar, Wombat, and Cabo0se*

[Gligarman2]

Wait. Why is everyone doing shroomen? Shouldn't we be doing characters?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Just for a break. The hobbit's giving me a lot of trouble.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Just for a break. The hobbit's giving me a lot of trouble.

I am?

I dislike the fact that there is a minimum post length.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Nonono. The gypsy hobbit. :smallbiggrin:

Expect a myconoid within half an hour.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Okay, how's this?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rbjqUDp21r3i394o1_500.jpg

[Gligarman2]

So, what should I do after Iconic Characters?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Gligar, what do you think of the Myconoid?

[Gligarman2]

I have a bias against mushrooms. If it was made of rock, had a smaller head, and was magic or psychic, I'd be satisfied.

Still don't know what to do once I complete my Iconic Characters.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Why? Are you allergic?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Okay, how's this?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rbjqUDp21r3i394o1_500.jpg
Groovy.


I have a bias against mushrooms.
Mushrooms are awesome and yummy.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Myconoids are psychedelic. :smallbiggrin:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Myconoids are psychedelic. :smallbiggrin:

They are. They are also one of my favourite D&D monsters of all time.

I need to get around to finishing a blog post on my top ten.

[Gligarman2]

No. I just don't like the aesthetic. They' re just not my thing, and the nasally voice of other mushroom monsters drive me insane.

[Gligarman2]

I've got Google Docs!

Dwarf Fighter: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1gP--Zc-xZfKAoxGPPVIt3MkJ39pwnRmQMfWGYS-ie1g

Halfling Rogue: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1aNEEI23oUEMim5Uqj3MuK4iwCqo9WXT-ndW49FyJ0AY

Ravenfolk Cleric:https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XVRCD5GQGxGxaUXsyUlSmvswincgmIqGzD3eoii89b A

Wizard: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XDQ40nIe9FE35e7tgKLLubSpyzkykzKUZLpEIrJXSt s

Norseman: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1bz0LI7EUOdhmvYfxxVkmV6WQFhZJBqsd9rlg4T6fX0 o


May I have a character building guide?

Also, could I suggest Madcap Games? It has to do with mushrooms, sounds both professional and hallucinogenic, as well; as having an obvious logo.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Nice! :smallwink:

[Gligarman2]

Just a question. Is gore allowed for the aggressive commander?

Google docs are up.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Just a question. Is gore allowed for the aggressive commander?

Google docs are up.

Yes. It is.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Ha ha, Gliagar's a craftsman!

[Gligarman2]

As far as names go, I'd recommend Madcap Games.

Elf: Why's that funny? What are you?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

As far as names go, I'd recommend Madcap Games.

Elf: Why's that funny? What are you?

Why is that?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Me? I'm BeastMaster. I have two cats and a tortoise. :smallbiggrin:

How about Tentacled Productions?

[Zelkon]

Enhancement bonus, LLC.
Magic Item Games
Re:magine games

[Gligarman2]

Why is that?

It has to do with mushrooms, sounds both professional and hallucinogenic, as well as having an obvious logo.

[Dark Elf Bard]

hallucinogenic? what?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

MadCap Games. I like it.

So ... everyone can agree?

[Gligarman2]

Agreed! Also, could a character creation guide be posted?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Agreed! Also, could a character creation guide be posted?

I already posted one. Look back a bit.

[Gligarman2]

When's the playtest?:smallbiggrin:

PBP Link please!

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

When's the playtest?:smallbiggrin:

PBP Link please!

As I said before, the playtest starts as soon as four people submit characters.

[Gligarman2]

Hi. I know I said I'd work for free, but is there any system set up for monetary compensation for employees? I am paying for Photoshop with a second job.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Hi. I know I said I'd work for free, but is there any system set up for monetary compensation for employees? I am paying for Photoshop with a second job.

My idea was to give all of the artists money if the indiegogo campaign succeeded. I'm having some trouble setting it up, though.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Where did Ialdabaoth go? I hope I didn't come off as rude ...

[Gligarman2]

My idea was to give all of the artists money if the indiegogo campaign succeeded. I'm having some trouble setting it up, though.

When will it be up? Can I have an update on what's happening?

[Dark Elf Bard]

*motherly voice* Young (Gligar)man, if you finish your characters for dinner, you can have update for dessert! :tongue:

[Zelkon]

I thought he was on vacation or something... He's also taken a break from RPG.net.

[Gligarman2]

I've got my character.


Farsight Lordshead

Backstory:
Farsight was born to an aristocratic family. He was taught magic of all kinds, and was taught through a series of games how to conquer and take hold of a territory. At the age of sixteen, he crafted himself a magic eye to rectify his seeing problem, from which he was named. His surname was earned at the age of twenty-four, when he used a cantrip and a ghost sound to assassinate the king of his small kingdom, taking his head for use in illusions. Him and his friends, associates, and contacts established a ruling party, from which they rule the walled city with an iron fist.
His first trauma was when he was nearly assassinated by a guard and a tavern-keeper, who wanted to stab him to gain more rations. This, and many more attempts at killing by commoners made him scared. He lives in fear of what would happen if he lost control of his beloved city, Fort North. He has heard rumors of a band of mercenaries, who need a spell-slinger. He has found out much about these men and women. His informants tell him that a great evil comes closer to Fort North, able to rip through the walled city like rice paper.
For a year, Farsight has been writing a book called On Ruling, Government, and Revolution, a guide that he has given to a good friend, in case he should die. Farsight’s people begin to stir under the regime. News has leaked to the public about the monster at Fort Vigil. Cries of “Death with the Cantrip-Slinger” abound, only to be silenced by a secret police. Revolution stirs under the populace, and Farsight’s “friends” wait to stab him in the back. Farsight responds by erecting massive siege engines on the walls of Fort North, and a black market for drugs has spawned under the city, by people looking for an escape. What diversion from these circumstances should be selected but a nice walk through the forest to see some beautiful old ruins?

Human Wizard 1

Stats:
INT: 18
CHA: 16
DEX: 10
STR: 10
CON: 14
WIS: 12

Skills: Arcana, Diplomacy, Bluff, Perception

Feats: Superior Defences: +1 to Fort, RFLX,
and WILL

Powers: Relentless Determination, Prestidigitation, Ghost Sound, Light, Mage Hand, Cloud of Daggers, Thunderwave, (En.) Icy Terrain, (Da.) Sleep
Items: Cloth Armor, Sickle, Orb, Spellbook

What do you guys think?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

When will it be up? Can I have an update on what's happening?
It won't go up until I get my PayPal account working and someone makes a video. I don't feel confident in my ability to do the ladder.


I've got my character.


Farsight Lordshead

Backstory:
Farsight was born to an aristocratic family. He was taught magic of all kinds, and was taught through a series of games how to conquer and take hold of a territory. At the age of sixteen, he crafted himself a magic eye to rectify his seeing problem, from which he was named. His surname was earned at the age of twenty-four, when he used a cantrip and a ghost sound to assassinate the king of his small kingdom, taking his head for use in illusions. Him and his friends, associates, and contacts established a ruling party, from which they rule the walled city with an iron fist.
His first trauma was when he was nearly assassinated by a guard and a tavern-keeper, who wanted to stab him to gain more rations. This, and many more attempts at killing by commoners made him scared. He lives in fear of what would happen if he lost control of his beloved city, Fort North. He has heard rumors of a band of mercenaries, who need a spell-slinger. He has found out much about these men and women. His informants tell him that a great evil comes closer to Fort North, able to rip through the walled city like rice paper.
For a year, Farsight has been writing a book called On Ruling, Government, and Revolution, a guide that he has given to a good friend, in case he should die. Farsight’s people begin to stir under the regime. News has leaked to the public about the monster at Fort Vigil. Cries of “Death with the Cantrip-Slinger” abound, only to be silenced by a secret police. Revolution stirs under the populace, and Farsight’s “friends” wait to stab him in the back. Farsight responds by erecting massive siege engines on the walls of Fort North, and a black market for drugs has spawned under the city, by people looking for an escape. What diversion from these circumstances should be selected but a nice walk through the forest to see some beautiful old ruins?

Human Wizard 1

Stats:
INT: 18
CHA: 16
DEX: 10
STR: 10
CON: 14
WIS: 12

Skills: Arcana, Diplomacy, Bluff, Perception

Feats: Superior Defences: +1 to Fort, RFLX,
and WILL

Powers: Relentless Determination, Prestidigitation, Ghost Sound, Light, Mage Hand, Cloud of Daggers, Thunderwave, (En.) Icy Terrain, (Da.) Sleep
Items: Cloth Armor, Sickle, Orb, Spellbook

What do you guys think?

Not really complete, but a good start.

[Gligarman2]

How so?

How's the backstory?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

How so?

How's the backstory?

Just trust me about the video. If anyone else would like to make one, I would be very pleased.

Love the back-story. My only nitpick is that there is no rumour about the monster of Fort Vigil.

[Gligarman2]

Not in Fort North, is there not a rumor! Also, what should I change?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Not in Fort North, is there not a rumor! Also, what should I change?

Most of your stats and stuff are missing.

[Gligarman2]

What stats and stuff? I'm genuinely curious.:smallconfused:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

What stats and stuff? I'm genuinely curious.:smallconfused:

You have no defences, no hit points, no vitality points, no equipment, ect ...

[Gligarman2]

How do you calculate the first two? Vitality is healing surges, right? And I do have equiptment at the bottom.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

How do you calculate the first two? Vitality is healing surges, right? And I do have equiptment at the bottom.

Yes. The same way you normally would in 4e, except you have two fewer vitality points.

Please look at a 4e character sheet or something, and make sure you have taken into account everything that there is a space for.

[Gligarman2]

So, exactly what is inhibiting the creation of the video? Eldritch Abominations?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

So, exactly what is inhibiting the creation of the video? Eldritch Abominations?

My own lack of charisma, shyness to show myself, and the fact that I know Chronoplasm could do better.

I wonder if I could do a contest. People make videos, the best one gets featured, and the winner wins a bonus PDF or session with me and four friends or something.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

For the money raising thing, what do you think some of the rewards should be?

Maybe we could have hard copies of Magic Sword exclusive to people who donate a lot of money. And - of course - our writers and artists.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Maybe 50 dollars? Like the OOTS kickstarter, maybe 10 dollars a sketch of a D&D character, 20 for maybe a custom character built?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Maybe 50 dollars? Like the OOTS kickstarter, maybe 10 dollars a sketch of a D&D character, 20 for maybe a custom character built?

That's good. I thought about advertising a game session with me, but since I basically offer that for free, I don't think it would work.

If we made hard copies of MS, we would probably do it through Lulu. Maybe that could be one of the goals.

How is the character coming?

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

You guys may want a more finished project before you IndieGogo it. A recent failed RPG kickstarter (e20: System Evolved) has made many people worried about funding projects still in genesis.

Just thoughts.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

You guys may want a more finished project before you IndieGogo it. A recent failed RPG kickstarter (e20: System Evolved) has made many people worried about funding projects still in genesis.

Just thoughts.

I looked it up. It appears not to have failed.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gmsarli/game-design-e20-system-evolved-roleplaying-gam-0

[Gligarman2]

For the money raising thing, what do you think some of the rewards should be?

Maybe we could have hard copies of Magic Sword exclusive to people who donate a lot of money. And - of course - our writers and artists.

What about the writers and artists?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

What about the writers and artists?

They would get hard copies. This - of course - is only if the funding is successful.

[Gligarman2]

Guys. We need to brainstorm ways to drum up money besides IndieGogo. I honestly think that we should put our eggs in more than one basket.:smallbiggrin:

Also, could I add things to my character sheet as nessecary during the game? I have the foundation. I would appreciate it, sir.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I looked it up. It appears not to have failed.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gmsarli/game-design-e20-system-evolved-roleplaying-gam-0

My point was that he got the money over 2 years ago...and has missed all his project deadlines, and now he's unreachable about the project, which is all but officially declared dead in the water. It's sort of a big deal.

Hence why I'd make sure you have a VERY solid amount to show people, and to make sure you have the time and commitment to follow through.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Guys. We need to brainstorm ways to drum up money besides IndieGogo. I honestly think that we should put our eggs in more than one basket.:smallbiggrin:

Also, could I add things to my character sheet as nessecary during the game? I have the foundation. I would appreciate it, sir.
Good idea.

Sure. Fill in as you go.


My point was that he got the money over 2 years ago...and has missed all his project deadlines, and now he's unreachable about the project, which is all but officially declared dead in the water. It's sort of a big deal.

Hence why I'd make sure you have a VERY solid amount to show people, and to make sure you have the time and commitment to follow through.
I see. Shame. The game looked kind of cool.

Lets release an art-free playtest PDF with rules, pre-generated level 1 characters, and an adventure. If we all work hard, he can have it done before Christmas. When that is finished, we will launch the fundraiser.

[Gligarman2]

Can I have a list of workers and the things they do? I think some ideas may develop.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Can I have a list of workers and the things they do? I think some ideas may develop.

Later. Not now. Tomorrow.

[Daemonhawk]

Chainsaw Hobbit told me to check in on the thread.
Check in.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Chainsaw Hobbit told me to check in on the thread.
Check in.

why hello there

[Daemonhawk]

why hello there

Oh, hey there.
In my last campaign, a dark elf bard killed my character.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

why hello there


Oh, hey there.
In my last campaign, a dark elf bard killed my character.

I can tell you two will hit it off. :smalltongue:

[Gligarman2]

My list on page 19 has been updated with the norseman! Criticism? Is it my best work? Worst work? Mediocre, at best? Any comparisons to any other artists?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I have started working on a second roleplaying game project, the working title of which is Epic Teddy Bears. It can be found Here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13761977#post13761977). If anyone is willing to help, I implore them to do so.

I will still be working hard on Magic Sword. If anything, this will increase my productivity, by immersing me deeper in the RPG development mindset.

[Gligarman2]

So, um. What do you think of my Norseman on page 19? That's where the list will be. Any criticisms? Compliments? Comparisons to other artists?

Also, I have gotten permission to use some amazing 3.5 material from Kellus. He's got an ingenious system for magitek, and an amazing system for grafts. His work on grafts is here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205119 Check it out! How easily could this be converted?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

So, um. What do you think of my Norseman on page 19? That's where the list will be. Any criticisms? Compliments? Comparisons to other artists?

Also, I have gotten permission to use some amazing 3.5 material from Kellus. He's got an ingenious system for magitek, and an amazing system for grafts. His work on grafts is here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205119 Check it out! How easily could this be converted?

Can you please share the picture with me as a Google doc?

I would love to try to make use of the grafting system.

[Gligarman2]

How about the magitek? Also, the doc with the picture, as well as the other docs, is on page 19, as I said.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

How about the magitek? Also, the doc with the picture, as well as the other docs, is on page 19, as I said.

I meant to please share it with my Google account, so it appears in my feed.

Gread drawing, though. The best you have done so far. It will certainly see use.

[Gligarman2]

Any comparisons with other artists?

Also, how would I share it with you?

I have a database on page 19, should something happen.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Any comparisons with other artists?

Also, how would I share it with you?

I have a database on page 19, should something happen.

In the upper right corner there is a share button. From there, you can enter my email ([email protected]) and say I can comment. Once you have confirmed, it will appear in my feed, making things much easier for me.

I find your warrior to be dynamic and visceral. The sword movement is great.

[Gligarman2]

Upper right corner of what page?

Thanks for the compliment! I appreciate it. I work really hard to make things correct.:smallbiggrin:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Upper right corner of what page?

Thanks for the compliment! I appreciate it. I work really hard to make things correct.:smallbiggrin:

Of the page where you uploaded the doc.

If you want, I quickly record a screen-cap video and send it to you.

(If that sounded condescending, it wasn't meant to. I am genuinely offering help.)

[Gligarman2]

Do I need to put your name into all docs?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Do I need to put your name into all docs?

I would appreciate it if you were to share them all with me.

[Gligarman2]

Done. Thanks for the help.

[Daemonhawk]

Hey, I asked what I could help with a few days ago, and never got a reply.
So, what can I, a writer, help with?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Hey, I asked what I could help with a few days ago, and never got a reply.
So, what can I, a writer, help with?

You could help me flesh out the implied setting. How are you are fluff-only adventure locations? Not full-fledged adventures, just 1,000-ish word descriptions of places where wandering mercenaries could have some fun.

[Daemonhawk]

You could help me flesh out the implied setting. How are you are fluff-only adventure locations? Not full-fledged adventures, just 1,000-ish word descriptions of places where wandering mercenaries could have some fun.
I'm actually quite good at describing places, and it's what I prefer to do. What needs to be fleshed out right now? Or should I just start writing up random locations that fit the setting?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'm actually quite good at describing places, and it's what I prefer to do. What needs to be fleshed out right now? Or should I just start writing up random locations that fit the setting?

Please make stuff up.

First, some setting information ...

The setting focuses on a loosely united collection of towns, sandwiched between a mountain range and a massive, dark forest. The space around the villages is far from safe, patrolled by bandits, goblins, and worshippers of dark gods. The forest, however, is where the real danger lies.

Wicked faeries lure travellers into the Hedge, keeping them forever or sending them back decades later, deeply tormented and more like their captors than their kin. Dark wizards breed degenerate monsters in mouldering ruins. Shapeless, horrific things crawl in from dying universes.

Great treasures also await, but they are never safe or easy to acquire. Giant snakes coil around priceless relics in abandoned temples. Kobolds squabble over the hordes of dead dragons. Golems made of solid silver stand watch over the graves of ancient kings.

[Daemonhawk]

Please make stuff up.

First, some setting information ...

The setting focuses on a loosely united collection of towns, sandwiched between a mountain range and a massive, dark forest. The space around the villages is far from safe, patrolled by bandits, goblins, and worshippers of dark gods. The forest, however, is where the real danger lies.

Wicked faeries lure travellers into the Hedge, keeping them forever or sending them back decades later, deeply tormented and more like their captors than their kin. Dark wizards breed degenerate monsters in mouldering ruins. Shapeless, horrific things crawl in from dying universes.

Great treasures also await, but they are never safe or easy to acquire. Giant snakes coil around priceless relics in abandoned temples. Kobolds squabble over the hordes of dead dragons. Golems made of solid silver stand watch over the graves of ancient kings.

The graves of ancient kings.
DING! DING! DING! DING!
Yeah, I'll probably start writing something related to to that, most likely "A King Long Forgotten" type area, with an unnamed king and what not.
The forest place reminds me of Dark Souls' Darkroot Garden, with Artorias' grave and what not, and the giant stone knights. Yeah, I'll work on that.
Is there anything you would like to change about the above, and how should I submit my work?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

The graves of ancient kings.
DING! DING! DING! DING!
Yeah, I'll probably start writing something related to to that, most likely "A King Long Forgotten" type area, with an unnamed king and what not.
The forest place reminds me of Dark Souls' Darkroot Garden, with Artorias' grave and what not, and the giant stone knights. Yeah, I'll work on that.
Is there anything you would like to change about the above, and how should I submit my work?

Write away. I can't wait to see what you come up with.

[Daemonhawk]

Alright, so, I've pretty much finished my first small area, The Tomb of the Unknown King, and I would like criticism on how to improve it. Because of my personal preference, I'm using Scriptito, as last time my entire hard drive was wiped, and having it online prevents things like that from happening. So, I'm linking the reader.
The Tomb of the Unkown King (https://www.scriptito.com/ui/user/projects/3632/reader.html)

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Alright, so, I've pretty much finished my first small area, The Tomb of the Unknown King, and I would like criticism on how to improve it. Because of my personal preference, I'm using Scriptito, as last time my entire hard drive was wiped, and having it online prevents things like that from happening. So, I'm linking the reader.
The Tomb of the Unkown King (https://www.scriptito.com/ui/user/projects/3632/reader.html)

Could you please write in Google Docs, and share the docs with me? Its much easier.

[Daemonhawk]

Oh, of course. Thank God for the power of Copy+Paste.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Oh, of course. Thank God for the power of Copy+Paste.

Thank you, sir!

[Gligarman2]

So, I've done 5 out of the 6 Iconic Characters! Any requests for the occultist? What'll I be doing next?

PS: I came up with a money-making thing. We could host an online event in which the writers could write backstory or help aspiring DMs with world-building, and the artists could create character portraits and avatars. This would be for a small sum of money, and the people who paid would get some small bonus, such as a preorder of the game. Once PayPal is set up, it would be simple.

[Daemonhawk]

So, I've done 5 out of the 6 Iconic Characters! Any requests for the occultist? What'll I be doing next?

PS: I came up with a money-making thing. We could host an online event in which the writers could write backstory or help aspiring DMs with world-building, and the artists could create character portraits and avatars. This would be for a small sum of money, and the people who paid would get some small bonus, such as a preorder of the game. Once PayPal is set up, it would be simple.

I'd totally be up for this. Writing really is my passion, and this doesn't sound like work, it sounds like fun.

Tomb of the Forgotten King (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QEZiHIEcCZRbSH6pPRmbmAjQTRDdqGmVPd9wvtsL2sc/edit)
That's the Google Docs link, unless you wanted me to share it another way.
I don't use Google Docs so I was basically fumbling around for a bit.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'd totally be up for this. Writing really is my passion, and this doesn't sound like work, it sounds like fun.

Tomb of the Forgotten King (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QEZiHIEcCZRbSH6pPRmbmAjQTRDdqGmVPd9wvtsL2sc/edit)
That's the Google Docs link, unless you wanted me to share it another way.
I don't use Google Docs so I was basically fumbling around for a bit.

I'll read it in just a second.

In the upper-right corner of the UI inside of every doc is a "share" button.

Please share the doc with my gmail account ([email protected]) and give me the ability to edit.

[Gligarman2]

Responses to my previous post?:smallconfused::smallsmile: I eagerly anticipate Mr. Akins's response.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I like it. It could use a bit more lore, though.

[Daemonhawk]

Hey, thanks. I really appreciate it. Yeah, it won't be hard for me to get some more lore in there.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

So, I've done 5 out of the 6 Iconic Characters! Any requests for the occultist? What'll I be doing next?

PS: I came up with a money-making thing. We could host an online event in which the writers could write backstory or help aspiring DMs with world-building, and the artists could create character portraits and avatars. This would be for a small sum of money, and the people who paid would get some small bonus, such as a preorder of the game. Once PayPal is set up, it would be simple.

I'll leave you to figure out the occultist. After the Marshall, I trust you whole-heartedly.

I very much like the money raising idea. I hope to go through with it. How much do you think we could charge?

[Gligarman2]

I'd say we need a list of services before we price them.

[Daemonhawk]

Alright, I've finished up Tomb of the Unknown, I might make a few changes, but it's mostly completed. Can I also get a bit more setting info?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Alright, I've finished up Tomb of the Unknown, I might make a few changes, but it's mostly completed. Can I also get a bit more setting info?

I like it. You will see that I've made some revisions, and I plan on making more. The fluff is not always in line with the setting lore (which is my fault).

Allow me to give some greater setting detail:

There are five known planes of existence: The Mortal World, The Grey, The Hedge, Faerie, and The Outer Dark.

The mortal world is a largely uncharted land of crumbling ruins, murky forests, ancient idols, forgotten tombs, walled-off towns, and broken cities being reclaimed and rebuilt.

The Grey is a bleak, near-colourless otherworld of cold, shadows, and numbness that overlaps with our own. It is the home of baleful spirits, skulking shadow people, living nightmares, and great steam-belching machines.

The Hedge is the world between The Mortal World and Faerie. It is a ruin-pocked labyrinth of thorns, inhabited by mad exiled fae and monsters grown fat on the intoxicating blood of faeries.

Faerie is the unknowable realm inhabited by the Fae, also known as elves and The Fair Folk. It is a tangled web of dreams and nightmares given semblance of life.

The Outer Dark is a mad, swirling abyss that exists outside of creation, and the home of sadistic, destructive beings known as demons who live in floating bubbles of diseased flesh.

Forget everything you know about classic D&D races.

Elves are mysterious faerie folk who seem to feel emotions more strongly than humans, and who never have a firm grip of reality. At best they are visionaries and artists. At worst they are nightmarish monsters.

Communities of elves will kidnap people. If they return, they will return decades later, changed, more like their captors than their kin. Most "elves" who live in the Mortal World were once human.

Dwarves are the grey-skinned children of stone who live deep beneath the earth. Their gemstone-like eyes can penetrate the darkness, and their rock-like skin can stand up to the claws of the many foul beasts that crawl up from deep below.

Halflings are wandering caravan folk, always on the move, never trusted.

[Gligarman2]

Any idea how much to charge for the fundraiser? It's nice elves aren't just always-right Mary Sues.

PS: It doesn't seem like my character fits with the Mortal World. Does he?

PPS: Has the google document been updated?

[elpollo]

Allow me to give some greater setting detail:

There are five known planes of existence: The Mortal World, The Grey, The Hedge, Faerie, and The Outer Dark.

The mortal world is a largely uncharted land of crumbling ruins, murky forests, ancient idols, forgotten tombs, walled-off towns, and broken cities being reclaimed and rebuilt.

The Grey is a bleak, near-colourless otherworld of cold, shadows, and numbness that overlaps with our own. It is the home of baleful spirits, skulking shadow people, living nightmares, and great steam-belching machines.

The Hedge is the world between The Mortal World and Faerie. It is a ruin-pocked labyrinth of thorns, inhabited by mad exiled fae and monsters grown fat on the intoxicating blood of faeries.

Faerie is the unknowable realm inhabited by the Fae, also known as elves and The Fair Folk. It is a tangled web of dreams and nightmares given semblance of life.

The Outer Dark is a mad, swirling abyss that exists outside of creation, and the home of sadistic, destructive beings known as demons who live in floating bubbles of diseased flesh.

Forget everything you know about classic D&D races.

Elves are mysterious faerie folk who seem to feel emotions more strongly than humans, and who never have a firm grip of reality. At best they are visionaries and artists. At worst they are nightmarish monsters.

Communities of elves will kidnap people. If they return, they will return decades later, changed, more like their captors than their kin. Most "elves" who live in the Mortal World were once human.


Soooo... it's the new World of Darkness?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Soooo... it's the new World of Darkness?

Wait, what? No it isn't. My elves draw inspiration from NWoD, but they are also based on classic folklore. Other than that, there is little resemblance at all.

[Gligarman2]

I really hate to be rude, but could you look over my previous post? :smallredface:

Also, I do agree that the world feels slighty WoD for my taste. I would prefer one more conducive to grand empires. But, just my opinion. It is very cool and original otherwise, though. I might reinvent the elves and nix the planes, but it's your world.

[elpollo]

Wait, what? No it isn't. My elves draw inspiration from NWoD, but they are also based on classic folklore. Other than that, there is little resemblance at all.

If you replace "The Grey" with "Twilight", "The Outer Dark" with "Hell" (or whatever term you want, what with the nWoD Demons being less specific to Christianity), and "Elf" with "Changeling" in the block of text I quoted, you have the description of a Changeling: the Lost game using the Inferno book (and set in a crumbly ruin).

Whilst I understand that the White Wolf team were inspired by folklore, and your setting might have significant differences that don't come across in that small amount of text, I would be very surprised if I was the only person to read that and think "Changeling".

[TheWombatOfDoom]

If you replace "The Grey" with "Twilight", "The Outer Dark" with "Hell" (or whatever term you want, what with the nWoD Demons being less specific to Christianity), and "Elf" with "Changeling" in the block of text I quoted, you have the description of a Changeling: the Lost game using the Inferno book (and set in a crumbly ruin).

Whilst I understand that the White Wolf team were inspired by folklore, and your setting might have significant differences that don't come across in that small amount of text, I would be very surprised if I was the only person to read that and think "Changeling".

Actually, changelings were the things that were left behind when the faeries captured a child, not the child itself, if you were to go traditional folklore.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Any idea how much to charge for the fundraiser? It's nice elves aren't just always-right Mary Sues.

PS: It doesn't seem like my character fits with the Mortal World. Does he?

PPS: Has the google document been updated?
I think your character could be adapted to fit.

I want anyone who wants to participate in the fundraiser to be be able to comfortably and easily afford it. Maybe, like, $5 for a drawing, $10 for a really big drawing, &10 for a detailed location write-up, and $25 for a fully fleshed-out short adventure with one or two drawings.


If you replace "The Grey" with "Twilight", "The Outer Dark" with "Hell" (or whatever term you want, what with the nWoD Demons being less specific to Christianity), and "Elf" with "Changeling" in the block of text I quoted, you have the description of a Changeling: the Lost game using the Inferno book (and set in a crumbly ruin).

Whilst I understand that the White Wolf team were inspired by folklore, and your setting might have significant differences that don't come across in that small amount of text, I would be very surprised if I was the only person to read that and think "Changeling".
Much of this is coincidence. I didn't actually know about the Inferno book, and I don't know what Twilight is in the World of Darkness.

I do admit that I - when coming up with the setting - drew inspiration from Changeling: the Lost. That being said, I also drew inspiration from the Cthulhu Mythos, Neverwhere, Grimm RPG, classic folklore, and other things.

The cosmology - in some cases - resembled that of the World of Darkness. The world itself does so much less. It is a setting about life on the fringe amongst ancient crumbling ruins, where towns wall themselves off from the outside world and must remain ever-vigilant against the darkness.

[Gligarman2]

How shall I modify it? Also, I really dislike the planes and the elves. I generally prefer a world with vast magical and technological possibilities, sprawling cities and massive mage towers full of intrigue. Just my opinion. The elves, (Also, just my opinion) are kinda NWoDy, which isn't really my thing. Just my opinion, so none of my ramblings have to be listened to. On the other hand, almost everything else is original, creative, and splendid, Mr. Akins. The complex and grey atmosphere is also very cool.

[Daemonhawk]

I personally love the setting, and although it may feel NWoD-like, it still manages to feel original and interesting.

What edits/revisions did you make, aside from the font and paragraphing?
And I'll start working on another, in a new plane.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I personally love the setting, and although it may feel NWoD-like, it still manages to feel original and interesting.

What edits/revisions did you make, aside from the font and paragraphing?
And I'll start working on another, in a new plane.

I cleaned up a few of the sentences as well, and changed the wording of some things.

If you changed the fluff to match the setting, you would be good to go. I want you to either remove the elves or change their role, considering the nature of elves in the setting.

What is it you like about the setting? What can I improve?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

How shall I modify it? Also, I really dislike the planes and the elves. I generally prefer a world with vast magical and technological possibilities, sprawling cities and massive mage towers full of intrigue. Just my opinion. The elves, (Also, just my opinion) are kinda NWoDy, which isn't really my thing. Just my opinion, so none of my ramblings have to be listened to. On the other hand, almost everything else is original, creative, and splendid, Mr. Akins. The complex and grey atmosphere is also very cool.

I really like my elves to be how I wrote them. I think that incorporating empires into the setting would feel forced, so it shall now be done.

However, I also love the Eberron setting, which is full of vast empires and intrigue. Because of my adoration for it, I plan on publishing unofficial conversion material. You can use that.

[Daemonhawk]

I cleaned up a few of the sentences as well, and changed the wording of some things.

If you changed the fluff to match the setting, you would be good to go. I want you to either remove the elves or change their role, considering the nature of elves in the setting.

What is it you like about the setting? What can I improve?

I can swap up the elves, it'll actually work out better.

What I like about it is how unique the races are, and how they all feel different, and I hope this really plays into the mechanics.
You could improve on having a much more defined setting, but I think that will come out naturally as more locations are written up. My next area will be much larger, and give a better "overall" feel for the Grey.

One thing to note about my writing style, I tend to have unique way of wording things, but feel free to change them is you feel that it will improve it.

[Gligarman2]

How should I modify Farsight?

PS: Also, are you a brony, Mr. Akins?:smallconfused:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

How should I modify Farsight?

PS: Also, are you a brony, Mr. Akins?:smallconfused:

I'll leave that up to you.

I am not a brony myself, although I do appreciate MLP:FIM.

[Gligarman2]

You said he may not mesh with the world? How can I make him mesh with the world?:smallconfused:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

You said he may not mesh with the world? How can I make him mesh with the world?:smallconfused:

It was you who said he might not mesh. I'm sure you can make it it work. Create a Bond villain using the components given.

[Gligarman2]

What do you mean? I made the character already. We would fill some of it in as we played.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

What do you mean? I made the character already. We would fill some of it in as we played.

Alright. Whatever you want.

[Gligarman2]

I would say we may want to lower prices by two or three dollars, but I would agree with your analysis. Any names for the online event?:smallconfused:

Great job with the world-building. The dwarves feel new and impressive.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I would say we may want to lower prices by two or three dollars, but I would agree with your analysis.

Sounds good.

Revised price list:

- Simple drawing: $2.

- Full-on awesome drawing: $4.

- 750-word location, NPC, monster, or item description: $3.

- Full-on short adventure with one or two illustrations: $10.

This is feeling a bit cheap. Maybe the numbers listed can be the minimum, and people can choose to pay more.

[Gligarman2]

I would say 2 and 3 should be 5 dollars. 4 should be 10 dollars.

(CA dollars or US dollars)

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I would say 2 and 3 should be 5 dollars. 4 should be 10 dollars.

(CA dollars or US dollars)

How does this sound?


Simple Sketch $3.
Nice, detailed colour drawing $7.
750-word write-up of something $7.
2,000-word write-up of something $15.
2,500-word adventure with illustrations and little or no crunch $22.
Crunch only 4e monster with one statblock $3.
Crunch only 4e monster with up to four statblocks $5.
4e monster complete with full fluff and up to four statblocks $10.
5,000-word 4e adventure with full crunch, gorgeous illustrations, advice for running, and developer commentary $37.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Do you think people would be more likely to shell out if they could see our writers writing their content in real-time via Google Docs?

[Gligarman2]

Might want to up that last one to 37 dollars. For the second, I'd say that a step by step video log of the art would be cool, but I have no idea how you would document writing. If you could explain, I'd be happy to give my opinion.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Might want to up that last one to 37 dollars. For the second, I'd say that a step by step video log of the art would be cool, but I have no idea how you would document writing. If you could explain, I'd be happy to give my opinion.

If the writer shares the doc with costumer, the costumer can look in and see them write. Its updated VERY rapidly.

[Gligarman2]

I personally think that seeing someone draw is far more interesting than watching someone write. Just my impartial (read: heavily biased) opinion.:smallbiggrin:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I personally think that seeing someone draw is far more interesting than watching someone write. Just my impartial (read: heavily biased) opinion.:smallbiggrin:

It was just an idea.

Also, I can probably have PayPal working in just over a week. In the mean time, we should all work on the first playtest so we can have something to present when we launch the IndieGoGo campaign.

I have stuff on my plate right now, but if anyone else would be willing to help write it, I would give them a virtual high-five.

[Daemonhawk]

It was just an idea.

Also, I can probably have PayPal working in just over a week. In the mean time, we should all work on the first playtest so we can have something to present when we launch the IndieGoGo campaign.

I have stuff on my plate right now, but if anyone else would be willing to help write it, I would give them a virtual high-five.

I'll get right to work on that playtest, if you give me what you want and what I need to know.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'll get right to work on that playtest, if you give me what you want and what I need to know.

I was hoping the playtest would have four pre-generated level 1 characters, a short level 1 adventure (maybe two or three encounters), game rules, and design notes. The whole thing should be maybe 6,000-9,000 words.

[Daemonhawk]

I was hoping the playtest would have four pre-generated level 1 characters, a short level 1 adventure (maybe two or three encounters), game rules, and design notes. The whole thing should be maybe 6,000-9,000 words.

May I suggest "The Tomb of the Unkown King" as a 1st level adventure? Or did you want to keep that as fluff?

[Dark Elf Bard]

What's next on the ARTSY-list?

[Gligarman2]

What should I do for the playtest? Should I just keep working on the occultist?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

May I suggest "The Tomb of the Unkown King" as a 1st level adventure? Or did you want to keep that as fluff?

It would be cool if TotUK were the play test adventure. Please begin writing it.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

What's next on the ARTSY-list?
Could you draw some stuff for TotUK?


What should I do for the playtest? Should I just keep working on the occultist?
How are you at mechanics?

[Gligarman2]

I'm not sure mechanics are my forte. Art, concepts, and even business to a small degree, but not detail-oriented stuff. So I should work on the occultist?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Please do.

[Daemonhawk]

Does the collection of villages has a name?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Does the collection of villages has a name?

Not at the moment.

[Daemonhawk]

Well, it needs one. Badly.

Also, I'm trying not to take on too much at once, but what do you need done, mechanics wise?

Also, one the main issues with 4E was that it used "squares" as a unit of measure, and this really messes things up. I would HIGHLY recommend making it a standard distance, such as 5ft.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Well, it needs one. Badly.

Also, I'm trying not to take on too much at once, but what do you need done, mechanics wise?

Also, one the main issues with 4E was that it used "squares" as a unit of measure, and this really messes things up. I would HIGHLY recommend making it a standard distance, such as 5ft.

Maybe we can come up with a name for a unit of measurement identical to five feet?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Maybe we can come up with a name for a unit of measurement identical to five feet?

Squares.

"You move six squares."

Hobbit-bellies.

"He must be seven hobbit-bellies high!"

[Daemonhawk]

Squares.

"You move six squares."

Hobbit-bellies.

"He must be seven hobbit-bellies high!"

He must be 6 Greatswords of Artorias tall!
^Props to those who know where this is from.

Five feet is just so easy to use, I suggest just putting it in somewhere saying that 1 square= 5 feet. I'm not saying "Stop using squares.", just define what squares measure out to be.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

He must be 6 Greatswords of Artorias tall!
^Props to those who know where this is from.

Five feet is just so easy to use, I suggest just putting it in somewhere saying that 1 square= 5 feet. I'm not saying "Stop using squares.", just define what squares measure out to be.

Fourth Edition didn't say what a square represents?

[Daemonhawk]

Fourth Edition didn't say what a square represents?

No, not that I know of. It's not that big of a deal, people should also get real world measurements.

[Zelkon]

It did, actually. It's plastered all over the rulebook. 1 square, by default, is 5 ft. Let's see if I can't find the page...

Well, can't find the exact page, but reverse engineering the chart on page 261 on overland movement gives you 5 ft. (a dwarf goes 25ft/round, 10 rounds in a minute=250ft, which is the number listed in the chart.)

[Daemonhawk]

It did, actually. It's plastered all over the rulebook. 1 square, by default, is 5 ft. Let's see if I can't find the page...

Well, can't find the exact page, but reverse engineering the chart on page 261 on overland movement gives you 5 ft. (a dwarf goes 25ft/round, 10 rounds in a minute=250ft, which is the number listed in the chart.)

Well, thank you for informing me. I really just skimmed through the rulebooks, I'll probably give them another read over so I can better familiarize myself with them.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I can probably have my PayPal working in just over a week. In the mean time, we should all buckle down and work on the first playtest.

I will handle the characters, and oversee the creation of the adventure. Daemonhawk is writing the adventure. I hope for Surrealistik (not sure if I spelled that correctly) to help with the game rules themselves. Chronoplasm, Gligarman2, Dark Elf Bard, and Wombat of Doom are working on art.

If you would like to participate, please tell me what you are best at, and I will find a place for you.

[Gligarman2]

Some nitpicks:

1. You forgot Cabo0se.
2. What art? Art for the playtest? Just generic Iconic Characters art?
3.Can we please justify the At-will, daily, encounter power system?

Otherwise, can't wait!

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I've started the playtest characters. Here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xZK4bn8OywoqHL12xNLDEuet9Aq52rWTWxEVNnHp3w4/edit) is the viking marshal.


Some nitpicks:

1. You forgot Cabo0se.
2. What art? Art for the playtest? Just generic Iconic Characters art?
3.Can we please justify the At-will, daily, encounter power system?

Otherwise, can't wait!

In order:

1. Ah. Sorry.
2. Hopefully playtest art.
3. What?

[Gligarman2]

My third point is what I've noticed fans of DnD are getting into a rut about, so something should be done. Also, may I have a description of Playtest Art?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

My third point is what I've noticed fans of DnD are getting into a rut about, so something should be done. Also, may I have a description of Playtest Art?

Please ask Daemonhawk what he wants you to draw, as he is the primary author of the playtest adventure.

The powers structure is not hard to justify with non-martial characters. With martial characters, powers that have longer recharge time are more draining and hard to pull off, and circumstances do not always favour them.

[Gligarman2]

Would you kindly write that in? Daemonhawk? What do thy command for art?

PS: Mr. Akins? You know how there is a 4e power that let's you shoot seven guys in the head once a day? Can you have a consistent answer for why the plater can't shoot one guy in the head many times? Could you make the powers more flexible?

[Daemonhawk]

Would you kindly write that in? Daemonhawk? What do thy command for art?

I, your ever loving and kind dictator command thee to draw a scene of thee gravesite, a map of Mistspire, which you shall refer to Sir Chainsaw Hobbit for, and iconic characters. That is what I most immediately need, and I shall instruct you further if I shall need more.
You may work. Now.:smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'm constructing the IndieGoGo campaign right now, in anticipation for working PayPal. I can do everything but the video.

Once it is launched (which will be as soon as the playtest is ready), I ask you to donate all you are comfortable with. This project is a true labour of love, meant to bring dice-slinging fun to thousands of tabletops around the world.

Rewards will include custom-written Magic Sword adventures for your home campaign, advance copies of the game itself, hard copies of the game (very few of which will be printed), and your name in the credits.

[Waargh!]

Without reading the whole thread, I might be able to offer my services on game mechanics. If needed just IM me.

[Gligarman2]

Cabo0se would like to know what to draw, Daemonhawk. Also, Mr. Akins? You know how there is a 4e power that let's you shoot seven guys in the head once a day? Can you have a consistent answer for why the plater can't shoot one guy in the head many times? Could you make the powers more flexible?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Cabo0se would like to know what to draw, Daemonhawk. Also, Mr. Akins? You know how there is a 4e power that let's you shoot seven guys in the head once a day? Can you have a consistent answer for why the plater can't shoot one guy in the head many times? Could you make the powers more flexible?

Perhaps after shooting seven people in the head, the gentleman in question is tired?

Daemonhawk is currently in charge of what people draw.

[Gligarman2]

What? I'm just saying that I would like to have the powers be flexible and highly mutable, if possible. But seriously, thanks. I love this job, I love the project, and I think that all you guys are awesome.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Do you think $5,000 is a reasonable minimum to raise?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Maybe 4,000. If we do 5,000, we need more publicity. But that's just me.

[Daemonhawk]

$5,000USD is a reasonable amount. I would recommend having this get more publicity, though.

This is most likely a VERY stupid question, but what is the money for, anyways?

[Daemonhawk]

$5,000USD is a reasonable amount. I would recommend having this get more publicity, though.

This is most likely a VERY stupid question, but what is the money for, anyways?

[Gligarman2]

4-6K, but invest it into a consistent method of revenue.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

$5,000USD is a reasonable amount. I would recommend having this get more publicity, though.

This is most likely a VERY stupid question, but what is the money for, anyways?

To hire professional editors, writers, and artists; to pay our existing writers and artists; and to publish hard copies of the core book.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

We desperately need a video for the IndieGoGo campaign. If anyone is willing to make one, I implore them to do so.

Basically, they would need to describe the project on screen.

[Gligarman2]

I, your ever loving and kind dictator command thee to draw a scene of thee gravesite, a map of Mistspire, which you shall refer to Sir Chainsaw Hobbit for, and iconic characters. That is what I most immediately need, and I shall instruct you further if I shall need more.
You may work. Now.:smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

What gravesite? What does Mistspire look like? I can't draw maps! Am I drawing Mr. Akins' (Hobbit's) Iconic Characters?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

What gravesite? What does Mistspire look like? I can't draw maps! Am I drawing Mr. Akins' (Hobbit's) Iconic Characters?

If there are adventurers in the dungeon, I would like them to be the iconics.

I shall describe Mistspire when it comes time to draw it. Its a bit of an undertaking, the city currently being the most detailed aspect of the setting by far.

[Gligarman2]

So keep drawing the iconics?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Gligarman2, could you make some kind of promotional video?

I could even write a script.

[Gligarman2]

I have good news, bad news, and bad news.

BN1: I can't make movies in any kind of professional manner.
GN: I have a friend who is as dedicated to video-making and SFX as I am to art.
BN2: He may be busy due to all the requests for videos. If he is, can't Cronoplasm do it? If Ch. can't, my friend would be more likely to do it with a script.

Note: I will keep on the Occultist.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I have good news, bad news, and bad news.

BN1: I can't make movies in any kind of professional manner.
GN: I have a friend who is as dedicated to video-making and SFX as I am to art.
BN2: He may be busy due to all the requests for videos. If he is, can't Cronoplasm do it? If Ch. can't, my friend would be more likely to do it with a script.

Note: I will keep on the Occultist.

Chronoplasm seems to have disappeared.

I would love to talk to your friend. Can I have his email address or Skype name or something?

[Gligarman2]

I'll call and see if he'll get you a phone number.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'll call and see if he'll get you a phone number.

I would rather talk to him via text. Can I have his email instead?

[Gligarman2]

Is there a reason you'd rather speak in text?:smallconfused: I don't even know if he's got an email.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Is there a reason you'd rather speak in text?:smallconfused: I don't even know if he's got an email.

I'm somewhat shy. Does he have Skype? Or any forum accounts?

[Gligarman2]

I'll see about that.

[Daemonhawk]

Uhm, I can't get paid via Internet, so, is there another way to go about it?
If not, I don't need to be paid.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Uhm, I can't get paid via Internet, so, is there another way to go about it?
If not, I don't need to be paid.

Could you get a PayPal account or something?

If not, I'm sure we could figure something out, provided we raise enough money.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Have we decided on a company name yet?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'm really liking D&D Fifth Edition so far, my only complaint being the fact that it will probably not be published in PDF format. I plan to play it along with Magic Sword.

What do you guys think?

[Daemonhawk]

I personally think 5th looks fanatastical. I love the inclusion of non-Vancian spellcasters, since I hate spells-per-day.

The Fighter is a real treat, no longer a stupid sack of "Hit big things with big things."

I don't really like using PayPal, because a friend's account got drained... I'd really just prefer something else. But, if push comes to shove, no pay is an option.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I personally think 5th looks fanatastical. I love the inclusion of non-Vancian spellcasters, since I hate spells-per-day.

The Fighter is a real treat, no longer a stupid sack of "Hit big things with big things."

I don't really like using PayPal, because a friend's account got drained... I'd really just prefer something else. But, if push comes to shove, no pay is an option.

Fifth Edition makes me very happy. Perhaps we can kill it and take its stuff.

PayPal would be ideal, but there are compensation options other than cash. If the funding is successful, I will send you a hard copy of the core book, provided you live somewhere where the shipping costs are reasonable. (Otherwise, I might ask you to help pay.)

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I have finished the second playest character: a dwarf fighter.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xZK4bn8OywoqHL12xNLDEuet9Aq52rWTWxEVNnHp3w4/edit#bookmark=id.colcz3ao7iqm

She is very much a "tank", with great defence and short-range control, but modest damage output.

[Daemonhawk]

Good work.

I really hope we get the playtest done ASAP, so we can get on with the Kickstarter. I'm devoting my every moment on the computer to writing this adventure, and it's a lot of fun. I hope everybody is doing well, and let's try to churn this thing out.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Good work.

I really hope we get the playtest done ASAP, so we can get on with the Kickstarter. I'm devoting my every moment on the computer to writing this adventure, and it's a lot of fun. I hope everybody is doing well, and let's try to churn this thing out.

I think we can have it done in a month, if we all work hard.

[elpollo]

Maybe 4,000. If we do 5,000, we need more publicity. But that's just me.


$5,000USD is a reasonable amount. I would recommend having this get more publicity, though.


4-6K, but invest it into a consistent method of revenue.

Out of interest, where are these numbers coming from? It seems the first person picked $5,000 more or less out of the air, so I'm wondering why people think the need to go up or down by $1,000.




This is most likely a VERY stupid question, but what is the money for, anyways?

This is a fantastic question, and one I've been wondering. It's all very well saying the money is to make the product better, to pay for editors and artists and such, but do you know how much that is going to cost? Do you know how much it costs an artist to do a professional quality image? Do you know how many of such images you want in the game? Do you know how much it costs to hire an editor for a several hundred page project? Do you know how much it costs to print on demand? Do you know how much it costs to get a reasonably secure and high quality website put up? Do you know how much the existing team is going to be paid? (No, I don't know any of these either.) These seem like the sorts of questions that should be being asked if you're trying to decide on a figure to ask for, but I can't see anyone really asking or answering them (which makes it all the more baffling that people are suggesting tweaks to the amount).

[TheWombatOfDoom]

This is a fantastic question, and one I've been wondering. It's all very well saying the money is to make the product better, to pay for editors and artists and such, but do you know how much that is going to cost? Do you know how much it costs an artist to do a professional quality image? Do you know how many of such images you want in the game? Do you know how much it costs to hire an editor for a several hundred page project? Do you know how much it costs to print on demand? Do you know how much it costs to get a reasonably secure and high quality website put up? Do you know how much the existing team is going to be paid? (No, I don't know any of these either.) These seem like the sorts of questions that should be being asked if you're trying to decide on a figure to ask for, but I can't see anyone really asking or answering them (which makes it all the more baffling that people are suggesting tweaks to the amount).

In terms of artwork, one thing to think about is: How many pages of art do you need for the book, and in what layout. As in, how many full page artworks, or partial page, and numbers of each. As a professional artist myself, there's two ways of doing things for payment. Typically for a project like this, a royalty system is used, which means out of the profits, the artist continues to make a small percentage based on the sales of the book. The other is buying the image outright, making it the purchaser's property, which is generally the more expensive option. Either way, that's one of the reasons I have been slow in my art work for here. As a starving artist (literally) any actual commission I'm getting paid for takes precedence, and I've been fortunate enough to have been getting a few constants. If I were getting paid, I'd be showing this quite a bit more attention. To give you an idea of current industry rates for children’s picture books (based on a 32pg book) estimates range from $3,000 – $12,000, plus royalties. To break it down another way, if you estimate that an illustrator is creating 20 original illustrations for your book and you are paying them $3,000 for art that is $150 per illustration. Now consider how much time goes into each illustration, starting with thumbnail sketches, revisions, pencil outlines and final color. Oh and don’t forget the cost of supplies, along with the artist’s time.

As for editing, I'm not sure pricing, but here's a link ("http://www.onlinefreelanceeditor.com/payment/fees.html) to a site that breaks down some pricing to give you an idea. Generally editors are paid 25% to 30% upfront BEFORE doing the work.

For publishing, were you looking at self publishing or going through a company? Are you planning on printing the book or soley putting it online? Generally when printing physical copies, the more you print the cheaper it is to print. If you plan on printing copies, are you looking at turning the book into a product?

All these are basic things to think about when creating this.

[Gligarman2]

Fifth edition is not really my cup of tea. 3E is probably my favorite.:smallbiggrin: Also, DarkElfBard, we have the company name of Madcap Games. (I came up with it! Mr. Akins liked it.)

Elpollo and Wombat, perhaps you guys may be overthinking this a bit. I know how important it is to have a business plan, but this is a first project. It will be cool, but we can always improve. There is nothing saying we need to solve each problem in one post.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I wasn't suggesting you should. More along the lines of things to keep in mind in terms of pricing. One thing that I'm not sure how much will come into place is copyright and such, such as your own copyright, and the terms that may accidentally be infringing the copyright of another system. Either way, just throwing that info into the conversation, mainly to be helpful and have it be something to think about along the way. You don't and shouldn't have all the answers presently. You're still in the creation stage!

But deciding if you're selling you product or giving it away is one thing I was curious about.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Some freelancers are willing to work for as low as $120 per image. I have a (professional quality) fried who could work for $25-50 per image.

Writers tend to work for about two cents a word.

I'm not yet sure about editors.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Indeed, I work for quite a lot less than I stated. That's the average price that I found in researching prices. Good to have professional friends, however!

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Indeed, I work for quite a lot less than I stated. That's the average price that I found in researching prices. Good to have professional friends, however!

Could you work for maybe $50 a drawing, with no royalties?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

12,000 views! Who are these people?

:biggrin:

[Gligarman2]

Could you work for maybe $50 a drawing, with no royalties?

I'd work for $70 an image with royalties and proper credit, when we gain a steady source of money. I'm willing to negotiate, Mr. Akins.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'd work for $70 an image with royalties and proper credit, when we gain a steady source of money. I'm willing to negotiate, Mr. Akins.

Sounds fair.

[Gligarman2]

Cool! So, I was thinking that the Occultist would have magical energy channeled through the scimitar to his hand, where it would be unleashed as a giant stream of fire coming towards the viewer. Is this OK?

Also, what should he be wearing? You never specify.

[elpollo]

I'd work for $70 an image with royalties and proper credit, when we gain a steady source of money. I'm willing to negotiate, Mr. Akins.


Sounds fair.

As an uninvolved outside observer, I must ask: are you kidding? If you tell me that you cannot see a difference in quality between this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1gP--Zc-xZfKAoxGPPVIt3MkJ39pwnRmQMfWGYS-ie1g) and this (http://dungeonsmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dwarf1.jpg), this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1aNEEI23oUEMim5Uqj3MuK4iwCqo9WXT-ndW49FyJ0AY) and this (http://www.paperspencils.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/102046.jpg), or this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XVRCD5GQGxGxaUXsyUlSmvswincgmIqGzD3eoii89b A) and this (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/iw_kenku.jpg)... well, you're lying. There is a time and place for encouraging the endeavours of others - whilst you are trying to market a potential product is not it. If you are charging people for art then you damn sure better get artists who will deliver what people are paying for.

I apologise to Gligarman2 if I come off as harsh, but you need a reality check - the art you posted back on page 19 is not worth $70 per image, and shouldn't even be in a professionally produced product at all. The art in an RPG is one of the first things people will see as they flick through, and will often be what draws people in to see more, or what makes them close the book and leave it alone. If you are paying for an artist, choose one of the many professionals out there who will provide you with an evocative, inspiring, and high quality picture - it makes for a better product, it reflects better on you as a team, and most importantly it sells more copies.

[Gligarman2]

I know that I can't draw. I know that my art is no where near professional quality. However, I am determined. I try to improve each time a make a drawing. This is an independant project, and I will work for free if necessary. Each time I draw, I ask for revisions. I am always ready to improve. In summary, I am not a professional artist. I am the avatar of the will of the creator of the project, the direct conduit of imagination!

[Zelkon]

5th edition is my least favorite out of all editions, BECMI and ODND included.
Also, I personalty think not enough is being done to modify 4e to justify buying the product from what I've seen. You can't just fix what people said they wanted fixed, you've got to add more. See pathfinder, they fixed a bunch of stuff than added interesting stuff like alchemy. I'm not a huge fan of the game still, but it sure made it more appealing compared the 3.5.

NO ONE BUT CHAINSAW SHOULD READ THE FOLLOWING.
I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to be brutally honest: I'm not seeing a very professional touch in the artwork. It looks very flat. I'm not sure if these are just drafts, but you can clearly see they are done just through a painting program. Again, I mean no offence.
EDIT: Ah, it appears my spoiler has been ninjaed.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Cool! So, I was thinking that the Occultist would have magical energy channeled through the scimitar to his hand, where it would be unleashed as a giant stream of fire coming towards the viewer. Is this OK?

Also, what should he be wearing? You never specify.
He should probably wear leather.

Fire wouldn't really be the character's thing. Maybe coiling thorns or charm magic.


I know that I can't draw. I know that my art is no where near professional quality. However, I am determined. I try to improve each time a make a drawing. This is an independant project, and I will work for free if necessary. Each time I draw, I ask for revisions. I am always ready to improve. In summary, I am not a professional artist. I am the avatar of the will of the creator of the project, the direct conduit of imagination!
I understand all of this. I can feel your enthusiasm. I admire your devotion to the project, and from what I know of you, I like you as a person.


5th edition is my least favorite out of all editions, BECMI and ODND included.
Also, I personalty think not enough is being done to modify 4e to justify buying the product from what I've seen. You can't just fix what people said they wanted fixed, you've got to add more. See pathfinder, they fixed a bunch of stuff than added interesting stuff like alchemy. I'm not a huge fan of the game still, but it sure made it more appealing compared the 3.5.
I agree. Like in Pathfinder, the core product will mostly tread the same ground as its predecessor. However, later books will innovate. Innovation needs a foundation.


NO ONE BUT CHAINSAW SHOULD READ THE FOLLOWING.
I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to be brutally honest: I'm not seeing a very professional touch in the artwork. It looks very flat. I'm not sure if these are just drafts, but you can clearly see they are done just through a painting program. Again, I mean no offence.
EDIT: Ah, it appears my spoiler has been ninjaed.
If you didn't want anyone to read the message, you could have sent me a PM or email or something. I do, however, agree. I was planning on taking the drawings and having a friend trace them over and make them look professional, giving both artists credit.


As an uninvolved outside observer, I must ask: are you kidding? If you tell me that you cannot see a difference in quality between this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1gP--Zc-xZfKAoxGPPVIt3MkJ39pwnRmQMfWGYS-ie1g) and this (http://dungeonsmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dwarf1.jpg), this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1aNEEI23oUEMim5Uqj3MuK4iwCqo9WXT-ndW49FyJ0AY) and this (http://www.paperspencils.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/102046.jpg), or this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XVRCD5GQGxGxaUXsyUlSmvswincgmIqGzD3eoii89b A) and this (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/iw_kenku.jpg)... well, you're lying. There is a time and place for encouraging the endeavours of others - whilst you are trying to market a potential product is not it. If you are charging people for art then you damn sure better get artists who will deliver what people are paying for.

I apologise to Gligarman2 if I come off as harsh, but you need a reality check - the art you posted back on page 19 is not worth $70 per image, and shouldn't even be in a professionally produced product at all. The art in an RPG is one of the first things people will see as they flick through, and will often be what draws people in to see more, or what makes them close the book and leave it alone. If you are paying for an artist, choose one of the many professionals out there who will provide you with an evocative, inspiring, and high quality picture - it makes for a better product, it reflects better on you as a team, and most importantly it sells more copies.
I do see what you mean. I know that the drawings are not worth $70 a piece. I more want to help an emerging artist.

I also understand that that would be unfair to the people who donate to the project. Perhaps I can pay at least a good portion of Gligarman2's compensation out of my own pocket?

[Daemonhawk]

Okay, I'll be honest here.
The art is gods awful. Like, really bad. And you can hate me for saying this.
But here's the deal, if we are actually going to publish ANY sort of art, it needs to be AT LEAST of mild-professional quality. What we have now is something made on MS Paint, and sort've reminds me of the drawings I see from three-year-olds. I'm not saying you need to be on the level of Todd Lockwood, but you do need to at least attain some sort of...well, quality.

My suggestion here is use the money we collect to hire PROFESSIONAL artists, and make sure we get GREAT art.

Now, as for the writing, it's my work, so of course I like it. BUT I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL WRITER. I need to have people look over what I'm doing that are NOT in the project, and beat the Hell out of what I did, and say I can make it better.

Now, if you really want this project to take off, it's going to cost a HELL of a lot more than 5K. It REALLY is. I'd suggest you make a business plan before you go ANY further with the financial part of this project.

And finally, I'm not saying "Stop drawing." or whatever. But this is a serious piece of business, and the art needs to reflect that. As does the writing. Everybody needs to buckle down, take a good long look at what they've done, and assess what we REALLY need to work on.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Okay, I'll be honest here.
The art is gods awful. Like, really bad. And you can hate me for saying this.
But here's the deal, if we are actually going to publish ANY sort of art, it needs to be AT LEAST of mild-professional quality. What we have now is something made on MS Paint, and sort've reminds me of the drawings I see from three-year-olds. I'm not saying you need to be on the level of Todd Lockwood, but you do need to at least attain some sort of...well, quality.

My suggestion here is use the money we collect to hire PROFESSIONAL artists, and make sure we get GREAT art.

Now, as for the writing, it's my work, so of course I like it. BUT I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL WRITER. I need to have people look over what I'm that are NOT in the project, and beat the Hell out of what I did, and say I can make it better.

Now, if you really want this project to take off, it's going to cost a HELL of a lot more than 5K. It REALLY is. I'd suggest you make a business plan before you go ANY further with the financial part of this project.

And finally, I'm not saying "Stop drawing." or whatever. But this is a serious piece of business, and the art needs to reflect that. As does the writing. Everybody needs to buckle down, take a good long look at what they've done, and assess what we REALLY need to work on.
Well put.

I believe that your writing, with a bit of editing, is publishable. I personally believe that my writing requires less editing, but if we are both edited, we are of about equal ability. Since my writing will make up much of the project, this makes you nigh-indispensable.

I say this because I want you to know that - if you continue with the project - you are GOING to become an integral part of it. I am not going to hire a writer to replace your work.

I really don't want to kick Gligarman2 and Dark Elf Bard off of the project. I like them and they are gorgeously enthusiastic. Perhaps, instead, they could have a role doing conceptual art and rough sketches for more experienced artists to build on, and could be paid a modest amount partially from the Magic Sword funds and partially from my own personal pool of resources.

Do you think 5k is a reasonable bare minimum?

[Gligarman2]

You know what, screw this. Chainsaw, I appreciate the project. I love your ideas and your spunk. However, if I am being told by even you that I need work, than I need work. I do not need your pity-money. If you would want me gone, just say so. I'll be out of your hair. I just want to make clear that if my art is poor, than say so. I may leave. I'm sure that all of you would want me to leave. Just don't fire Cabo0se. She has talent, if I don't. I'll be watching this project. Goodbye.:smallsigh:

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

You know what, screw this. Chainsaw, I appreciate the project. I love your ideas and your spunk. However, if I am being told by even you that I need work, than I need work. I do not need your pity-money. If you would want me gone, just say so. I'll be out of your hair. I just want to make clear that if my art is poor, than say so. I may leave. I'm sure that all of you would want me to leave. Just don't fire Cabo0se. She has talent, if I don't. I'll be watching this project. Goodbye.:smallsigh:

I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings. If you don't want money, I won't give it to you. That's fine.

Maybe you can write or something?

[A Cool Dog]

{{Scrubbed}}

[Daemonhawk]

I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings. If you don't want money, I won't give it to you. That's fine.

Maybe you can write or something?

Gilgarman02, you need work. You do. You are not publishable, but that doesn't mean get off the project. I'd really like you to look over what I've done, rip it to shreds, I mean, make me cry if you have to, to tell me what I need to fix.

If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. I'm a bit more...thick skinned than most people, so I tend to not put emotions in any part of what I say.

As for Dark Elf Bard, can I get a link to his art?

Have you even considered look right here, GitP for artists? I mean, there was RuleOfCool's Legend, that had great art. Maybe ask them, and raise publicity in the community. Maybe throw a Chat party where people can ask whatever they want. Something. It'll work out, but we REALLY need to but quality before emotions.

[elpollo]

I know that I can't draw. I know that my art is no where near professional quality. However, I am determined. I try to improve each time a make a drawing. This is an independant project, and I will work for free if necessary. Each time I draw, I ask for revisions. I am always ready to improve. In summary, I am not a professional artist. I am the avatar of the will of the creator of the project, the direct conduit of imagination!

You enjoy drawing - that's great, and should be encouraged. As unpaid art that circulates the internet you're fine. However, you suggested being paid $70 for your art - that's not just taking advantage of Chainsaw Hobbit, it's also insulting to those who have spent thousands of hours learning to draw well, and deserve to be paid for their work. If you don't feel that your work is worth $70, don't ask for $70 for it - work for the love of working, and with time and effort you may reach a point where you can honestly and proudly submit something that is worth the money.




I understand all of this. I can feel your enthusiasm. I admire your devotion to the project, and from what I know of you, I like you as a person.

It's a difficult lesson to learn, but personal feelings and business shouldn't mix.




I do see what you mean. I know that the drawings are not worth $70 a piece. I more want to help an emerging artist.

I also understand that that would be unfair to the people who donate to the project. Perhaps I can pay at least a good portion of Gligarman2's compensation out of my own pocket?

Great. It's good to support those learning a medium. It's bad to do so with other people's money. At this stage the best support you can give Gligarman2 is not money, but honest critique, of both good and bad (and there is both to give).

[elpollo]

*snip*

I apologise. My housemate saw me on this forum and thinks he's being funny. Reported.

[A Cool Dog]

I apologise. My housemate saw me on this forum and thinks he's being funny. Reported.

sad whimper

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I apologise. My housemate saw me on this forum and thinks he's being funny. Reported.

You refer to the wall of text about art quality?