MS Paint Adventures 6:12

[memnarch]

(It'd be a shame to waste such a fine post by Gez, so here it is again)
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I'll pretend for a moment that you don't already know about MS Paint Adventures (www.mspaintadventures.com), Andrew Hussie (http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/)'s experimental more-or-less user-driven webcomic.

"MS Paint Adventures" seems to imply it's adventures in using MS Paint. This is false. None of the protagonists ever try to use MS Paint. It's not adventures made with MS Paint either, there's only one page (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=1) ever made in MS Paint, the rest are made in Photoshop or Flash. However, it's true there are several adventures. Four at the moment: Jail Break (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=1), Bard Quest (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=2), Problem Sleuth (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4), and Homestuck (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6). You can pretty much safely ignore the first two, they're immature crap. Problem Sleuth is when it started to get good, and Homestuck is the currently on-going adventure, so it's the one that's going to be discussed in that thread.

Keen-eyed readers may notice the numbers in these URL. 1, 2, 4, 6? What happened to 3 and 5? Well, 3 (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=3) was some sort of easter-egg joke about the Midnight Crew. 5 (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=5) was the first attempt at making Homestuck, with the idea it'd be entirely in Flash. That was dropped as too time-intensive to create, and turned into some sort of in-joke easter-egg as well.

Which brings the next point: in-jokes. The comic is full of them. They constantly reference each other, and are full of callbacks. Here's a few of them:

What (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=1&p=000003) Pumpkin (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=1&p=000004)? : Jail Break introduced a useless contraption known as the Pumpkin Appearifier (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=1&p=000081). It "appearifies" a pumpkin taken from somewhere else. As a result, that pumpkin disappears from the other place. Why anyone would create a teleporter that only works on pumpkins is a mystery; but this legacy has endured and there is a tradition still upheld in Homestuck to have gratuitous pumpkins in the story, here just to disappear without prior notice. Hussie's shop and imprint is called What Pumpkin? (http://whatpumpkin.com/index.html), but they don't sell pumpkin appearifiers there. Just shirts and discs and stuff.

Midnight Crew (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/extras/ps000013.html): during Problem Sleuth's run, one of the reader, known as Mayonaka, paid Hussie some money to star his D&D characters in a PS crossover. Hussie made them into a small-time bunch of thugs, and they become very popular, to the point that readers clamored for a series about them. Eventually, they turned up in Homestuck, although by then they didn't have much in common with Mayonaka's characters anymore.

Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/): This started on the Penny Arcade forum, as a mockery of someone's request for feedback for yet another of these "two guys chatting about games" comics meant to amuse a few of the author's direct friends and that's it. NWS? source, go to second page and look for S_O's posts (http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/85435/higher-technology/p1). It became a vehicle for in-universe Homestuck memes, shared by the protagonists, which of course became real-world memes too because Homestuck fans.

Hussie used to have a site called Team Special Olympics (hence his PAF name of S_O) where he posted various creepy comics (http://www.andrewhussie.com/comics.php) and articles (http://www.andrewhussie.com/articles.php) about stuff he found on the net that was unsafe for work and mind both. If you dare digging around, you'll find the origins of a lot of other references and in-jokes later used in the comics.



Homestuck Music (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com) can be listened to at Bandcamp. One may also mention the fan music (http://homestuckgaiden.bandcamp.com/) while they're at it. Because Homestuck fans are exceedingly productive. Go on a music-sharing site like Tindeck (http://tindeck.com/) and count how many of the "popular tracks" have a Homestuck-derived avatar. That's usually between 60% and 90% of them. DeviantArt is less homestuckized, but only because there is a much larger userbase. You will still need more than a lifetime to see all pieces of HS fanart on DA.

http://i.imgur.com/dhXMx.jpg

Homestuck fans can be quite gross (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyFXNMVbO5Q). Don't be like them, try to remember how to function normally in society. For example, even if you're dressed-up as a bunch of alien clowns, don't go in a classy restaurant to noisily spit in a bucket. It's rude.

But Homestuck, and MSPA in general, didn't attract such a large number of socially-maladjusted fans if it didn't have some good qualities about it. It is a masterfully-written story, cohesive despite the user-driven shenanigans that shaped it at the start, and very intricate. It makes use of its medium (the web) in ways more clever than just an infinite canvas, as the entire site can change to represent a shift in narrative voice, or to tell a parallel story hidden in a little corner.

Still, there are times when you'll have to wonder just WTF is happening. Why is there suddenly a lengthy essay about troll romance? Why do we need weird made-up names for passionate hatred and platonic friendship? What does that thing about getting locked in the attic have to do with anything? Chances are that at these times, Hussie is trolling his fans. Because he loves to do so. It can be seen in the flippant tone with which he answers the formspring tumblr reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/askhussie/comments/u0nov/first_seed_post_ask_questions_here_explanation_of/)questions readers ask of him on his tumblr (http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/). Unfortunately, this flippancy means that it's easy for a small controversy to degenerate into complete drama. An example would be when former music contributor Bill Bolin was removed from the music team after a misunderstanding escalated to full-on bridge burning. The latest drama is about Hussie being racist since he declared his white kid protagonists were "canonically aracial" and you could pretend they were Asian or Black or whatever. Some tumblrers unearthed an old in-universe chatlog between two of the protagonists referring to a third character as being white, and the blogosphere exploded. There was an older, previous dramasplosion about sexism with the "bluh bluh huge bitch" thing applied to Vriska. Chances are more drama will inevitably happen in the future.

So, huh, keep in mind that Andrew Hussie is just an ordinary White American guy, not a perfect deific incarnation of Talent itself, and that he can make mistakes and be clumsy, especially when under the pressure of having to deal with a huge, obsessive, and often creepy fanbase.

So, just be reasonable people and all should be fine.


Previous threads:
MS Paint Adventures (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94099)
MS Paint Adventures II: Who's Playing Who Now? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160173)
MS Paint Adventures III: [S] Comment (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184714)
MS Paint Adventures 4: 13 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212090)
MS Paint Adventures V: THIS IS STUPID (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229151)
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Thanks Gez! Only changes are to add the new reddit question thing.


So, anyone else think Meenah is going to spoil Aranea's story?

[Draconi Redfir]

Now then. To start off this thread, Votes on the next pre-scratch ancestor we'll meet?

[LoneStarNorth]

Keeping in mind that I have no actual clue or preference which ancestor shows up next, and also that I'm not even 100% sure any more WILL show up...

Maybe the Sufferer? Meenah's been referring to him recently.

[Lateral]

We won't necessarily meet any more. I think Hussie mentioned something about not intending to introduce a whole 'nother twelve characters- he may just be sticking with Fishbutt and Spiderface. If we are going to meet any more, though, my money's on A1!Sufferer, or possibly A1!Summoner. (Although it would be hilarious to meet A1!Subjugglator.)

[LoneStarNorth]

Looks like I was wrong, the correct answer was

all of them. Sorta.

If Hussie went to the trouble of drawing all the sprites so as to show them in silhouette, I get the feeling they'll all be revealed however briefly. I mean I'm pretty sure he also said he didn't want to bother detailing all of the adult ancestors, but that eventually happened.

[Friv]

I have to admit - I didn't like her at first, but Meenah is growing on me a little more with each update. (I think her response to Karkat is really the best thing ever, but her short summary of what happened is pretty entertaining too.)

[Scowling Dragon]

Shes also growing on me a bit. Her quirk still makes me annoyed.

[Barefoot Monkey]

Now then. To start off this thread, Votes on the next pre-scratch ancestor we'll meet?
I'm not counting silhouettes
Rufio! Rufio! Rufio!

[Scowling Dragon]

The weird part? Rufios horns ARE SMALLER THEN TAVROS'S horns!


So if Rufios horns are huge as an adult, then as an adult Tavros's horns.....my god.

[mizzim]

I love Meenah. <3
Hm... my bets are on pre-scratch Disciple, or perhaps Dolorosa.

[irenicObserver]

Technically Hussie wouldn't be introducing anyone new if he did give some focus on the pre-scratch trolls. They are largely unimportant though, narratively at least.

[Draconi Redfir]

Shes also growing on me a bit. Her quirk still makes me annoyed.

How so? From what i've seen her quirk is more or less the same as Feferi's, but without the H= )( thing.


Technically Hussie wouldn't be introducing anyone new if he did give some focus on the pre-scratch trolls. They are largely unimportant though, narratively at least.

Careful, you can get yelled at for saying something like that.

[Scowling Dragon]

Her slurring of words. I guess it isn't her quirk as much as her horrible grammar.

[Draconi Redfir]

ahh, guess i dont notice it because i have pretty bad grammer myself :P

[Scowling Dragon]

No yours is fine. I just can't understand what she's saying half the time.

[Derjuin]

Does anyone know what kind of instrument that scratch device is?

Also yay Meenah for saving us from more huge text blocks!

[Gez]

Does anyone know what kind of instrument that scratch device is?
A phonograph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph), just a very early one. The earliest models used cylinders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph_cylinder) which would be read from one border to the other, rather than discs. In both case the device used a needle following a spiral, just in the original models the spiral had a constant radius.

[Arrghus]

So I only put in this one link disguised as spam last thread, but Dante Basco (actor for Rufio and Zuko) did a brief reading of Dave over on his blog. It's pretty cool (http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/24055423803/dave-talkin-to-jade-sh-t-was-funny-just-felt).

[Teln]

Also yay Meenah for saving us from more huge text blocks!

Boo Meenah for interrupting our history lesson! Although, I will admit that I'm liking her more with each update.

[irenicObserver]

I am getting the feeling that from the flipped relationship between the highbloods and the lowbloods that their session to us would feel kind of like a bloodswap.
How so? From what i've seen her quirk is more or less the same as Feferi's, but without the H= )( thing.
She only ues that when she's allcaps (i.e. yelling)

Does anyone know what kind of instrument that scratch device is?

I don't think that was a phonograph. More like a huge music box device.

[Draconi Redfir]

So I only put in this one link disguised as spam last thread, but Dante Basco (actor for Rufio and Zuko) did a brief reading of Dave over on his blog. It's pretty cool (http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/24055423803/dave-talkin-to-jade-sh-t-was-funny-just-felt).

Meh, sounds more like Zuko then Dave to me :P

[DukeGod]

My love for Aranea grows by the paradoxical second o-o

[Scowling Dragon]

I agree. I also want to slap Aranea.

At first I thought the reason why she didn't care that as a pirate she killed and looted people was because after billions of years she was desensitized to everything but the survival oh her species.

Aperantly not. All she cares about is her adventures...YOU RAPED YOUR FRIEND YOU STUPID BLEEEEEP!

Edit:

Sea hitler. :smallbiggrin:

[Bad Situation]

Meh, sounds more like Zuko then Dave to me :P

I don't think he was going out of his way to fit his voice for Dave, however I do think he would make a good Tavros VA.


Aperantly not. All she cares about is her adventures...YOU RAPED YOUR FRIEND YOU STUPID BLEEEEEP!
I think this was more about her being frustrated with Meenah than a full out endorsement of Mindfang.

[irenicObserver]

Scowling Dragon, I really don't think that was the point. Like, at all.
EDIT: also... (http://ib.skaia.net/image/46637.gif)

[Scowling Dragon]

Sorry. I guess im still channeling some anger from the fanpic I saw.

edit:

Yeah. That Comic was great.

[Mono Vertigo]

*reads the last few Homestuck strips*
*reads today's XKCD (http://xkcd.com/1063)*
...
*rereads both*
:smallconfused:

[Oracle_Hunter]

*reads the last few Homestuck strips*
*reads today's XKCD (http://xkcd.com/1063)*
...
*rereads both*
:smallconfused:
I mean, it is the First Rule of Time Travel...

...at least among the unsavvy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct) :smallcool:

[Mono Vertigo]

Is it the International Hitler Killing Time Travel Day or something? :smallbiggrin:

[irenicObserver]

It Has Just Occurred To Me That Killing Hitler Is Likely To Constitute A Break From The Alpha Timeline. This Renders Me Solemn.

[Draconi Redfir]

Guys you know nothing. Hitler is immune to all forms of time-travel related death. Why? Because he is. Even the Doctor couldn't kill him!

[mizzim]

Yeah, seriously. The Evil Baby Orphanage is such a better idea!

[Scowling Dragon]

Is it just me or is Meena enjoying getting punched?

[tyckspoon]

Is it just me or is Meena enjoying getting punched?

I want to say 'yes, obviously', but.. it kinda looks like Meenah just never stops smiling, so I'm not entirely sure.

[Scowling Dragon]

Nope-She's defiantly swooning. See how she grabs her cheeks in the swooning way?

Jake knows his way with the ladies. :smallcool:

[Teln]

This potato was hilariously painful to read.

[Gez]

Nope-She's defiantly swooning.

How do you swoon with defiance? That seems impossible. Swooning is done with abandon, not in a defiant way.

[Scowling Dragon]

How do you swoon with defiance? That seems impossible. Swooning is done with abandon, not in a defiant way.

Well come on? What else could she be doing with her hands on her cheeks like that whilst smiling?

She randomly gets assaulted by a guy who thinks shes fish hitler.

The perfect man in her eyes.

[memnarch]

This potato was hilariously painful to read.

Why do some people call updates potatos?

[Arrghus]

Why do some people call updates potatos?

Not some people, some updates. Due to the uneven update scheme of Homestuck, people on the official forums got into the habit of calling old updates potatoes instead, so as to prevent everyone rushing to the site all the time checking for updates they'd already read.

[irenicObserver]

Is it just me or is Meena enjoying getting punched?

Fun game: replace Meenah's "oof"s with moans of pleasure.

[Scowling Dragon]

Fun game: replace Meenah's "oof"s with moans of pleasure.

Most likely. Seriously: A guy that just sporadically becomes voilent? Meenas perfect man.

[irenicObserver]

http://ib.skaia.net/image/46725.png

This is it right here.

[Scowling Dragon]

What is right here?

[irenicObserver]

That's kismesisitude right there.

I'm beginning to get the sense that she's barely reacting is that her Gel Viscosity renders his low-level fisticuffs nil.

[Scowling Dragon]

Except shes bleeding.

Also its not. Humans cant feel kismisitude. Thank god.

[irenicObserver]

Unrequited obviously; and I wouldn't be too sure about that...
s:o,
s :o,
s:o,

[Scowling Dragon]

Trust me. I take hate seriously. It drives one mad. :smallannoyed: . I do not have a good experience with hatred. Im mostly over it now....

I still feel a pleasant sensation when I use sharp objects to poke holes in stuff.

[Draconi Redfir]

Yeahh i got ten bucks saying she is totally hatecrushing on him right now :P


And i doubt he'd return the feeling. He'd probably just feel either really angry at her all the time so it just SEEMS like a hatemance to her, or he'd just be incredibly confused and start running away, with her chasing him peppe le'peu style.

[Scowling Dragon]

Nope. Shes just thinking of how powerful she coud have potentially been.

[Draconi Redfir]

So busy swooning over herself that she doesnt even notice she's being attacked.

Got one heck of a one-track mind, must give her that.

[Teln]

Two updates in one day? Hussie, you're spoiling us! I'm hoping that we find out exactly what's taking up so much room in Jake's sylladex.

EDIT: Three updates now! I'm amazed!

[Squark]

Two updates in one day? Hussie, you're spoiling us! I'm hoping that we find out exactly what's taking up so much room in Jake's sylladex.

EDIT: Three updates now! I'm amazed!

From what UU calls it, the "Unyiedly edifice," I suspect its the fourth wall.

[mizzim]

Nine days till 6/12. Something's going to happen, what with all of these crazy updates. I'm putting my money on another person getting into the Medium.

[irenicObserver]

So, I think I'm getting a good idea of how Dirk would operate as a Prince of Heart. His fragments exist independently of him and affect others [Heart]'s kind of like a cascading reaction. Kind of like a radioactive isotope or nuclear fission; his pieces fall of and knock the pieces of others out of place in a chain reaction. That's why he's such a (wannabe)chessmaster(poser), and that's why he so annoyingly is pushed into everyone's life.

[Teln]

And with the fourth update, we have indeed found out what was clogging up the sylladex. I must say, I'm impressed with how roomy that modus is.

[AgentPaper]

And with the fourth update, we have indeed found out what was clogging up the sylladex. I must say, I'm impressed with how roomy that modus is.

Eh, I was decidedly unimpressed, to be honest. I mean, Dad's wallet was able to hold the Tumor without any trouble, so something much smaller causing so much trouble makes it far worse in comparison.

[Squark]

From what UU calls it, the "Unyiedly edifice," I suspect its the fourth wall.

Well, half right. It was the thing containing the fourth wall.

[Barefoot Monkey]

Well, half right. It was the thing containing the fourth wall.

Not just any fourth wall. I just realised that this is the fourth fourth wall in Homestuck. That's got to count for something.

[Radar]

Not just any fourth wall. I just realised that this is the fourth fourth wall in Homestuck. That's got to count for something.
Well... it's probably the wall Jade and John will go through to the new session.

[Scowling Dragon]

So they come out as tiny imps?

[Radar]

So they come out as tiny imps?
Size won't be a problem for Jade.

[Scowling Dragon]

Size won't be a problem for Jade.

Dam I want to make an innuendo about that.

Yes, I knew that size would not be a problem, but I think that something will go wrong and she won't have that level of powers to change their sizes again.

edit:

Now I see my new nightmares (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/22902?search=Nic_Cage) for the year. Read the text at the bottom of the poster.

[Squark]

Well... That... explains things while simultaneously creating more questions. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006924)

[Draconi Redfir]

you know...


The scratch changed the portals to go to the scratched universe right?

So that means (unless at least a partial reckoning still happens somehow) that's the same frog temple as in the pre-scratch version of he universe.


Is there going to be some sburb disks, a white king, and a second bec noir popping out of that thing at some point?

[Arrghus]

you know...


The scratch changed the portals to go to the scratched universe right?

So that means (unless at least a partial reckoning still happens somehow) that's the same frog temple as in the pre-scratch version of he universe.


Is there going to be some sburb disks, a white king, and a second bec noir popping out of that thing at some point?Since that'd mean it'd also contain a second Becquerel, I doubt that's the case.

I think the answer here is going to be something stupid, like the Condesce throwing the meteors at Skaia instead.

[Barefoot Monkey]

The scratch changed the portals to go to the scratched universe right?

So that means (unless at least a partial reckoning still happens somehow) that's the same frog temple as in the pre-scratch version of he universe.


Is there going to be some sburb disks, a white king, and a second bec noir popping out of that thing at some point?

As I understand it, only certain specific meteors were sent to B2. The eight ectobaby meteors are the only ones sent for certain. It could be that the temple came from the B2 session, but if that never gets shot at Skaia then it could turn out to have been from B1 all along, in which case we would see the Writ Keeper again (that guy just has to have some significance in the story to come) as well as a fifth Jack.

I wonder if there is a temple somewhere on earth for every other session as well. Are there still other sessions post-scratch? Are they all void? If not, why don't we get hit by alternate-session reckonings?

[Draconi Redfir]

Well the empress does have both Sollux and Aradia's psionic powers, so it's possible she hurls the neccicary metiors towards skaia.

as for the other human sessions.. that is a very good question. i suppose its possible that while there were multiple human sessions on pre-scratch earth, there arent on post-scratch for whatever reason.

And i think the frog temple only exists for the session that makes the first guardian, and since there is only one of those per planet, there would only be one temple per planet. (two in the case of Alternia, but they had the whole duality thing going on for whatever reason.)

[Squark]

You know, up until that flash, I never really considered the possibility Liv/Terry could have survived the explosion. Had anyone?

[JadedDM]

Couldn't it have theoretically survived if either Dirk or Rose had capchalogued it right before the explosion?

[Lateral]

We know their strife syllabi survived, since Dave still had the Deringer. we don't know about their captchalogues, I don't think, but it's possible.

Also, more specifically about the update:
Boner. :smalltongue:

[Barefoot Monkey]

Jake might enter soon. I'm calling that his planet is the Land of Memorials and Xenon.

[Scowling Dragon]

uu is seriously freaking me out. He genuinely feels like he honestly believes that he is not cheating.

[RebelRogue]

UU seems way more aggressive here (even before the cheating), or is it just me?

Seems like Hussie is into chess - he put a lot of effort into that.

[Teln]

That was ridiculously bad sportsmanship. Honestly, I'm surprised that UU continued to play the game after uu's stunt was revealed. I guess wounded pride played a big part in what was going on.

[Istari]

This seems to add more evidence to the uu/UU are the same person theory. They were playing on the same chess board, and blocking the other apparently won't help. Or Hussie is just trying to troll us again.

[Radar]

Or Hussie is just trying to troll us again.
Isn't it the default assumption? Also an obvious reference to Complacency of the Learned.

[BRC]

This seems to add more evidence to the uu/UU are the same person theory. They were playing on the same chess board, and blocking the other apparently won't help. Or Hussie is just trying to troll us again.
One person, but with two suitably different personalities, such that each personality has it's own dreamself.

[Radar]

One person, but with two suitably different personalities, such that each personality has it's own dreamself.
There was a precedence with Sollux, so why not?

[AgentPaper]

At first, I was raging at uu right alongside UU, but as it continued on, I actually gained a bit of grudging respect for uu. As underhanded as it may seem, he was playing by the rules, and the lengths he went to to hide his deception without breaking said rules is actually kinda impressive. UU, on the other hand, lost points to me for losing her cool as soon as something unexpected happened. She's obviously the better chess player there, but she's not without her own flaws as well. In a less structured game than chess, she would probably fare much worse.

[Teln]

Do you know what the term for swapping pieces in the middle of a game is? "Cheating". If I'd been in UU's shoes, I would have refused to continue the game.

[LoneStarNorth]

Do you know what the term for swapping pieces in the middle of a game is? "Cheating". If I'd been in UU's shoes, I would have refused to continue the game.

But he didn't swap the pieces. He just dolled them up a bit. If UU had captured the "queen" at any point, he'd have lost.

Obviously it wouldn't fly in any sort of official chess tournament, but my inner prankster approves heartily.

[Scowling Dragon]

That was fair in the same way jigsaw doesn't kill anybody (they kill themselves)

Aka total bullocks.

UU could have just announced that they where playing Calvin ball the whole time and then proceed to win. As equal a strategy.

This just shows how underhand and guile uu is.

[Squark]

But he didn't swap the pieces. He just dolled them up a bit. If UU had captured the "queen" at any point, he'd have lost.

Obviously it wouldn't fly in any sort of official chess tournament, but my inner prankster approves heartily.

I'll admit I don't know the real minutae of how chess rules work, but I'm pretty sure deliberately altering pieces to mislead the other player as to their identity probably violates some sort of rule.

[LoneStarNorth]

I'm not saying uu isn't a bad guy or a jerk or anything, but if somebody pulled the same trick on ME in a game of chess, I'd give them a high five.

[AgentPaper]

I'll admit I don't know the real minutae of how chess rules work, but I'm pretty sure deliberately altering pieces to mislead the other player as to their identity probably violates some sort of rule.

It violates the spirit of chess, but not the literal rules. The more telling bit is that UU let it get under her skin so easily. In a very structured environment like chess played between two people that respect each other, UU does very well, as evidenced by the fact that she won all of the previous games. However, in a real-world environment where there are no rules and your opponent is guaranteed to defy your expectations, she crashes and burns very quickly. Being able to win a game of chess is good and all, but if you can't adapt to changing circumstances, you'll fail again and again.

uu may not technically be as smart as UU, but he can think outside the box and find solutions even when the odds seem impossible. In a slightly different light with a more likeable character, this kind of shenanigan is often seen as a good thing. See: The conclusion of Ender's Game, or Kobayashi Maru from Star Trek.


Edit: Also, I find it very ironic that UU was going on about uu was a poor sport, and then immediately once she realized she was losing, she showed herself to be no better. (or at least, not much better)

[RebelRogue]

So, is this foreshadowing a hidden swap of dersite or prospitian king/queen? And in yes, on what session?

[Draconi Redfir]

Haha i found an error.


uranianUmbra [UU] began cheering undyingUmbrage [uu]
UU: king to e3.
uranianUmbra [UU] ceased cheering undyingUmbrage [uu]

undyingUmbrage [uu] began jeering uranianUmbra [UU]
uu: ROOK TO E3.
uu: CHECK.

They just moved their peices to the same place!:smallbiggrin:

[RebelRogue]

So, is this foreshadowing a hidden swap of dersite or prospitian king/queen? And in yes, on what session?
Hmm, when you try to select Roxy a pic of Dirk is shown and vice versa. Could be connected.

[Barefoot Monkey]

So, is this foreshadowing a hidden swap of dersite or prospitian king/queen? And in yes, on what session?

B2WQ has a sceptre

[Squark]

B2WQ has a sceptre

If I had to guess, it might be that the kings don't get their scepters until they have prototyped enough to hold them.


It violates the spirit of chess, but not the literal rules.

Hrmm... I guess I can see that, but only because most of the more detailed rules for chess already plan on the players using a pre-selected chess set for the tournament. Games which were designed with an eye towards the customization of pieces or the like, however, do have rules against this.


EDIT: Let's see if I've got the chain right for B2. Dirk brings Jane in, who brings Roxy in, who brings Jake in, who brings Dirk in.

Except Jake had to bring Dirk in before he got brought in. But that's probably not a huge deal, considering the whole Double Mobius Reacharound thing A2 (and quite possibly A1) had.

[tyckspoon]

EDIT: Let's see if I've got the chain right for B2. Dirk brings Jane in, who brings Roxy in, who brings Jake in, who brings Dirk in.

Except Jake had to bring Dirk in before he got brought in. But that's probably not a huge deal, considering the whole Double Mobius Reacharound thing A2 (and quite possibly A1) had.

I don't think the exact actual timeline matters, so long as you end up with a closed loop that gets all the players into the game. (I'm not even sure that the 1 to 1 server->client chain matters- we haven't seen anybody play Server to multiple client players, but IIRC nothing has said that's impossible, so you could potentially have a structure where A gets B,C, and D into the game, and then it only needs any one of B/C/D to do the same for A to finish the setup. Assuming one can't be one's own server, if you really want to either give one player all the power or attempt a solitary session.)

[memnarch]

Hmm, when you try to select Roxy a pic of Dirk is shown and vice versa. Could be connected.

I'm guessing that was an error as I get roxy running away picture when I mouse over her, and dirk and the bot when I mouse over dirk. And of course, when I actually try and select the character, I get Hussie-analog flipping the chessboard. :smalltongue:

[Draconi Redfir]

I don't think the exact actual timeline matters, so long as you end up with a closed loop that gets all the players into the game. (I'm not even sure that the 1 to 1 server->client chain matters- we haven't seen anybody play Server to multiple client players, but IIRC nothing has said that's impossible, so you could potentially have a structure where A gets B,C, and D into the game, and then it only needs any one of B/C/D to do the same for A to finish the setup. Assuming one can't be one's own server, if you really want to either give one player all the power or attempt a solitary session.)

Dave became Jade's server after John became godteir i beleive. It involved some alchemy shenannigans and a machine that could locate a tiny captcha code.

[The_Final_Stand]

UPDATE

So, it looks like DD is destroying all of Derse anyway.
And Jane, why did you put the Alchemiter on the roof? WHERE EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE?

[Draconi Redfir]

Dehfug is Jake doin there? o.0

[RebelRogue]

I'm guessing that was an error as I get roxy running away picture when I mouse over her, and dirk and the bot when I mouse over dirk.
Really? I get the opposite :smallconfused:

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006934

[Zejety]

Really? I get the opposite :smallconfused:

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006934

I get the correct images.

[memnarch]

Rebel; Try clearing your cache and refreshing the page.

[irenicObserver]

Dave became Jade's server after John became godteir i beleive. It involved some alchemy shenannigans and a machine that could locate a tiny captcha code.
Locate a complicatedhard to read captcha code. Dave only became Jade's server player not simply because John went Godtier but because he kept losing his computers.

[Barefoot Monkey]

Dirk's planet... Land of Tombs and Krypton if they're all grave-themed, but I think that's just for Jane's planet. I'll go with Land of Tears and Krypton. I still think memories/memorials is a good fit for Jake's planet. Land of P??? and Neon has me stumped. What do you have when you've lost void? Plenty? Pinkness? Ponies? Maybe I'm just trying too hard to guess planet names...

[Scowling Dragon]

I hope cyber dirk falls into the cyber equivelent of a dark hole.

Have him dissolve by ones and zeroes until it dies.

Why the **** dont doesnt he be the client controler?

He doesnt need jane or jack for this.

[Draconi Redfir]

I hope cyber dirk falls into the cyber equivelent of a dark hole.

Have him dissolve by ones and zeroes until it dies.

Why the **** dont doesnt he be the client controler?

He doesnt need jane or jack for this.

Beee cauuuse one person being the client for EVERYONE is probably a REALLY bad idea?

[Scowling Dragon]

One person who repeatedly states works billion times faster then the characters?

[Shadow of the Sun]

Weird Time and or Plot S$%t.

There's your answer.

[Scowling Dragon]

No. Im not taking it anymore. I want some good answers. I can't stop ignoring these problems when hussie keeps bringing them up!

[Shadow of the Sun]

Then this is not the webcomic for you.

[Scowling Dragon]

It is. I just hate those dam glasses.

[Squark]

I hope cyber dirk falls into the cyber equivelent of a dark hole.

Have him dissolve by ones and zeroes until it dies.

Why the **** dont doesnt he be the client controler?

He doesnt need jane or jack for this.

Because he doesn't have more than one copy of the server disk, and they won't have access to the intelli-beam laser station until they have a large supply of grist later on?

So... the 6:12 update... Possibilities...

a) It will happen before the choose your character stuff is done.
b) It won't happen at all.
c) Hussie is going to troll us for our foolish belief he would dance to our tune a la [S]DD: Ascend (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006842) or like this. (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003833)
d) Hussie has already completed the entire choose your character stuff and the 6:12 flash, and is just updating slowly to stop the site crash that might happen if he added the entire choose your character update all at once. The 6:12 flash will happen on time.

[Scowling Dragon]

Does anybody else see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ9YtJC-Kd8&feature=player_embedded) done with Homestuck universes?

Like zoom out the king Scepter, then zoom out Billios slick, then zoom out too a Skia portal?

[BRC]

I hope cyber dirk falls into the cyber equivelent of a dark hole.

Have him dissolve by ones and zeroes until it dies.

Why the **** dont doesnt he be the client controler?

He doesnt need jane or jack for this.

Maybe he can't. Just because he is a computer does not mean he can run software besides himself, much less Sburb software.
Also, maybe some sort of Sburb Nonsense says that only Players can be servers, and he is not a player.
He is glasses.

[Draconi Redfir]

One person who repeatedly states works billion times faster then the characters?

Every player at some point or annother jumps through a gate and goes to their server player's planet, this allows for fast and easy travel between them. If one player was the server for ALL players, then evryone would go to his planet, and nobody else's.

[Squark]

Every player at some point or annother jumps through a gate and goes to their server player's planet, this allows for fast and easy travel between them. If one player was the server for ALL players, then evryone would go to his planet, and nobody else's.

And when they tried to go through his next gate... They'd get split up into three pieces as their body was sent to all 3 planets? :smallconfused: Ultimately, it's hard to say what would happen... but I don't want to be the one to test it out.

[Draconi Redfir]

And when they tried to go through his next gate... They'd get split up into three pieces as their body was sent to all 3 planets? :smallconfused: Ultimately, it's hard to say what would happen... but I don't want to be the one to test it out.

That or his gates would be entirely chaotic and random, sending everyone who went through the gate to a random planet, most likely the one they didn't want to go to, rather then a reliable and dependable transport to the next planet in the chain.

[Squark]

More updates! AR, enough with the wonderland jokes already.

Also, I find AR's constant, "This is not my fault" to be hilarious. Is Roxy going to float by next?

[irenicObserver]

Whether or not Dave taking server control from John had no arbitrary effect, that is conjecture based on details that aren't mutually exclusive.

[Draconi Redfir]

Whether or not Dave taking server control from John had no arbitrary effect, that is conjecture based on details that aren't mutually exclusive.

I think the thing with that was that John was already Jade's server player, and he was the one who got her inside the game. So her and her planet was already connected to him and his. Dave just jumped in somewhere in the middle and took over when John couldn't build up Jade's house.

[The_Final_Stand]

Volume 9 is out. (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/homestuck-vol-9)

In other news, I am greatly amused by "It's the white rabbit!...
And Jane!"

[Scowling Dragon]

I liked that too. Jane, FOREVER ALONE!

[Lateral]

Hmm. 6/12, no update as of yet.

...My money's on a flash.

[mizzim]

I'm gonna go with a psycheout, then a big flash when we least expect it.

[Lateral]

Yeah, I guess it's possible, but he did a psyche recently.

[mizzim]

... and it's a uu-style-porn etch-a-sketch?

[some guy]

Notice how the black red scribble (uu?) 'holding' the black orange scribble (Dirk?) has a red spiral remeniscent of Jigsaw's cheeks.

Wouldn't be surprised if uu has a red spiral symbol on his shirt.

[irenicObserver]

I liked that too. Jane, FOREVER ALONE!
No; FOREVER AVAILABLE :smallwink:

Volume 9 is out. (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/homestuck-vol-9)

I cannot stop listening to GameGrl. For the life of me I'M A BOY >.<

[Derjuin]

ohmygoodness crystalmethequins is amazing and the art for it is too. *puts it on repeat*

[Teln]

I can't stop listening to "Battle Against an Unfathomable Enemy".

[Lord Raziere]

I meanwhile can't stop listening to Noirscape.

Its the Jack: Ascend music remixed to guitar, electric guitar and with violin at the end. Its pure blended awesome.

[Squark]

I don't even want to know how Roxy got that picture.

[irenicObserver]

It's been a few yearsunspecified degree of time since it was made. It was most likely given to her by Dirk when discussing uu and his tastes.

[Arrghus]

It's been a few yearsunspecified degree of time since it was made. It was most likely given to her by Dirk when discussing uu and his tastes.Or hacking. On account of being a hacker.

But Dirk probably gave it to her. I suspect it's not the most risqué thing he's given her.

[The_Final_Stand]

So, Hussie went and answered some questions from reddit here (http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/25156009290/reddit-or-not-here-we-dumb).

Obviously, the most important thing to draw from this is that Sollux is really named Solluxander, and if he had God Tiered with both dream selfs intact then they would have had to fight to the death. Except they're immortal, and it would never be heroic or just.

OBVIOUSLY.:smalltongue:

[Scowling Dragon]

Godamit, Now I want to strangle Dirk even MORE!

His presence is driving me towards dark thoughts!

[Draconi Redfir]

Dirk wasn't even in this update:smallconfused:

[Scowling Dragon]

Dirk wasn't even in this update:smallconfused:

Hussie pretty much confirmed that Dirk raised himself.

[Draconi Redfir]

Hussie pretty much confirmed that Dirk raised himself.

Sure he did! When he was 13 he started building robots and sending them back in time to take care of his baby self.


He got the idea from these mysteryous robots that appeared one day and started showing him how to fish and feed himself.

[Scowling Dragon]

He sort of confirmed that no robots or anybody else where involved. The smug little **** is exactly that.

[Shadow of the Sun]

He apparently raised himself off of the internet and orange soda and some such.

Iunno about you, but given a lot of stuff I've seen on the internet, that'd explain a lot.

[irenicObserver]

Scowling Dragon, not to belittle your feelings but I am going to have to ask you to hold back any and all Dirk <3< until it becomes less redundant. Please and thank you. Say it once and be done with it.

[The_Final_Stand]

TG: and stare
TG: into the void
TG: and the void
TG: will wonk first
TG: ;3

Ok, it's official. Roxy is my new favourite character.

[irenicObserver]

This is most likely a reference to Trickster Mode fanart.

[Selrahc]

This is most likely a reference to Trickster Mode fanart.

No.. it's a reference to Nietzche. "When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you."

[Gez]

This (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/scraps/roxyisthisyoU.gif) is a trickster mode reference.

On a different topic, I've discovered this greasemonkey script (http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/134447) which is pretty sweet. You can keep looking at the image while following the pesterlog. It's especially good for things like the uu/UU chess game, where you can click on "forward" when the player announces their moves; instead of having the log spoilered by looking through the full game first.

[Lord Magtok]

Scowling Dragon, not to belittle your feelings but I am going to have to ask you to hold back any and all Dirk <3< until it becomes less redundant. Please and thank you. Say it once and be done with it.

Just popping in to agree wholeheartedly with this post. Also to say that the album's two bonus tracks haven't shown up on youtube yet, which I seem to find quite unusual. :smallconfused:

[irenicObserver]

Just popping in to agree wholeheartedly with this post. Also to say that the album's two bonus tracks haven't shown up on youtube yet, which I seem to find quite unusual. :smallconfused:

You mean these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om3VC6ru4yk) right here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e71naCnOdwo)?

This (http://ib.skaia.net/image/47475.png) is funny :D

[The_Final_Stand]

So, uh, this update.

This one right here?

I can only express my feelings on it thusly.

wut

[Scowling Dragon]

Pum pum PUUUUUUUUM!

Also, pretty much 100% confirmation on the theory that UUuu are one and the same.

edit:

Da ****? :smallconfused:

[Shadow of the Sun]

Ahem.


HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEE!!!!!


Now that that is over...

Wasn't expecting that.

[Arrghus]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Sooooo cuuute!

[Scowling Dragon]

New theory:


uu IS lord english.

uu comes from a race of aggressive SPACE SKULL PEOPLE!

He gets into the game, achieves god tier (The highest possible god tier- and its related to TIME TRAVEL!)

Im not sure why he needed to enter universes through scratch but its my theory that he did so in order to get first guardian powers.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Scowling Dragon: if you examine the evidence, that seems likely.

Which is exactly why I don't believe it.

[Squark]

From what I recall, Lord English is just a game construct, like Jack Noir or the Black and White Royalty, with multiple incarnations that appear under certain conditions. G Ranted, It could turn out that those are all uu or UU, but that would involve him becoming part of the game itself.

[Scowling Dragon]

Shadow of the sun: Well yeah. But its a theory

Squak:

Im not sure of that. Unlike jack, he never seems to be a natural element. He could be a manipulator that forces the game to accept him.

[Gez]

Okay, so the way to defeat Lord English...
... is to call him Calliope to re-awaken the gentler side of his dual personality?

[Scowling Dragon]

Nah:

Hes probably evolved past that point.

[Shadow of the Sun]

If it is the way to do it, she chose the wrong person to tell her name too.

Roxy'd just be all like "callipope! popicla! popsical!"

[Gez]

You know, give uu a street accent, and he could say...
Cal[liope] [is] ma sis
:smallamused:

[Mono Vertigo]

B-b-but uu and UU... are... trolls... it was stated... it was... stated...
... wait, that's not actually stated anywhere.
...
... goddamnit I got hussied again.
HUSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE


At least, the "Calliope being a cherub" thing is making an odd amount of sense. That's the direct opposition to Lord English' demon status (which IS explicitly stated I believe). Not that it means much.
And it was obvious UU and uu were the same entity. In fact, it was so obvious, and is still so obvious, that it means it will soon be completely contradicted in some way, somehow.

[Kizor]

It took me until Gez's post to compare the name "Calliope" to "Cal". I am less of a person for that.

[Calemyr]

Wow, this latest batch really does a beautiful mind screw. Wow. And it works, of course: the two aspects guaranteed to be in a session? Space and Time. If Cal is a ultra-passive, ultra-powerful hero of Space, then the opposite side of that coin is an ultra-aggressive, ultra-powerful hero of Time. And if the two were fused (say an active Cal died on her quest bed and became god-tier with the only dreamself still alive), you'd have the ultimate master of time and space.

It also explains another aspect of English: his minions. If English is a cherub with an obsession for trolls and "flushed feelings" he can never actually have, then it makes sense that his right-hand minions would be female trolls - that always has seemed important to me, that this seeming embodiment of murderous hatred insisted on surrounding himself with with women. I always thought it might be tied to the Jake-stakes, but this would work as well. Now I'm envisioning something like Irenicus and the Nymphs from Baldur's Gate 2 - a hateful man desperately trying to awaken some pleasant emotion in himself and utterly failing.

Of course, we were also fed Jake English, with his dream coat and skulltop, so just because Cal is a cherub doesn't mean Umbrage is English. Or they could both be: Jake dies and becomes God Tier using Umbrage's dream self (Page of Hope and Lord of Time in one body? No less scary than with Muse of Space).

Andrew Hussie: God Tier Waste of Space and Master of the Mind Screw.

[irenicObserver]

oh god,,,that update,
hopy ****,
all my feels are screaming
all my thoughts are screaming
there is nothing but screams now
somebody help me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Teln]

UU is oddly cute. Also, how much do you want to bet that uu's class is Lord of Time?

[Friv]

UU is oddly cute. Also, how much do you want to bet that uu's class is Lord of Time?

Seems rather likely, I have to admit.

Here's a question, which I will spoiler for people who haven't read the hopy shoot update yet...

Where does the Felt fit into all of this? Are they carapacians designed by Lord English, or are they less-developed cherubs, or what?

[Zejety]

Copy pasted from the Legend forums:

I'm considering to buy an album of Homestuck music. Which one would you recommend?

I'm mostly looking for something to
1) listen to while playing grindy games (Diablo, any MMO)
2) listen to while working (mostly on gamey stuff)
3) use as ambient sound/character themes when DMing (mostly fantasy) (the players in my groups do not read Homestuck, so no problem with associations).

#3 requires at least a few songs that are long-ish or not annoying when put on loop. They also should not be too "electro" (I'm not very music savvy, I hope you get what I mean).

[mizzim]

I'd suggest one, if not both, of the coloUrs and mayhem albums. They have a ton of nice, non-annoying, long soundtracks.

[Lateral]

Hopy ship.

[Scowling Dragon]

I feel pretty bad for UU:

She finds herself ugly, based apon OUR view of attractiveness, and is incapable of feeling love.

[Draconi Redfir]

i will admit two things.

1. uu/UU being two minds in one body seems incredibly likely.

2. Cherubs are most likely/definetly related to lord enlgish in some way.

3. Assuming uu is LE, his coat could be his juju.


but.

1. i hope it is not true.

2. i wonder if cal was used to create them, or if cal was created in their immage.

3. at least all the uuIS LAWD ENGRISH! theories will hopefully put a halt to all the jake ones.



also also:

Fan cherubs appearing in 5...4...3....2...

[Zejety]

Fan cherubs appearing in 5...4...3....2...

You are way too late for that. ;)

[Scowling Dragon]

And each one has the core design changed to fit our view of attractiveness in 3....2....1...

[Tectonic Robot]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ahhhhh AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

HOLY CRAP

LOOK, GUYS

look at the update o:

OH MY GOOOOSSSSHHHH

just really holy canolli o:

Seriously. I'm freaking out here. Just spazzing. On my couch.

[Draconi Redfir]

And each one has the core design changed to fit our view of attractiveness in 3....2....1...

Bahhh she's already cute. I mean look at dis babby! (http://i.imgur.com/NSRjU.png)

[Scowling Dragon]

Yup. Changed to look more attractive. :smallsigh:

People just really can't keep it in their pants can't they?

It reminds me of how some people diminish the danger and general horror of kisnemisistude to make it more pantsworthy.

[mizzim]

It reminds me of how some people diminish the danger and general horror of kisnemisistude to make it more pantsworthy.

*groan* please not this again. We had this whole argument last thread. Can we just... agree to disagree? Please?

[Scowling Dragon]

Im not arguing this. I know this as a fact. So the argument is over.

Continue on with discussing our new friend.

[Draconi Redfir]

Yup. Changed to look more attractive. :smallsigh:

mmmm not really. Only diffrence i can see is a larger chin, and that's just due to more realistic and less sprite-y art.

[Scowling Dragon]

mmmm not really. Only diffrence i can see is a larger chin, and that's just due to more realistic and less sprite-y art.

And massive shrinking of cheekbones. You know, the thing that stands out the most.

[Draconi Redfir]

Again its not sprite art, Johns head isn't actually that big compared to the rest of his body.

[Scowling Dragon]

But we know how cal looks, and how lord english looks (And he isn't sprite afied), so its safe to assume that UU isn't any better in terms of the cheekbone compartment.

Maybe they mate with their cheekbones?

[Draconi Redfir]

Cal and English are also both male (as far as we can tell) so it could be that females simply have smaller cheekbones then males. never know.

idk, to me it doesnt look at all like a problem. The cheekbones are still there, they are still large by human standards, they just aren't the baseball-sized things we see in the sprite form, wich to be fair would be quite silly in a more realistic style.

[Scowling Dragon]

idk, to me it doesnt look at all like a problem. The cheekbones are still there, they are still large by human standards, they just aren't the baseball-sized things we see in the sprite form, wich to be fair would be quite silly in a more realistic style.

Thats the point! They ARE wierd and awkward. Thats why she thinks she is ugly!

If you want more proof BAM (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120130003259/mspaintadventures/images/thumb/f/f2/LordEnglishsketch.jpg/415px-LordEnglishsketch.jpg). Lord english in a more realistic style by the cannon hands of Hussie himself.

You will still argue your female perspective but I will argue artists beautifying stuff.

edit:

Now THIS (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/47537) is more like it.

[Draconi Redfir]

Fair enough fair enough, but i counter your counter argument with DISTRACTING YOUTUBE VIDEO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WXTCwvBw2c&feature=g-crec-u)

[Scowling Dragon]

Thanks for the video.

[Tectonic Robot]

Don't forget the bug eyes and OH MY GOSH LORD IS ONE OF THE MASTER CLASSES LORD ENGLISH OH MY GOOOOOOSSSHHH WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE FREAKIN' OUT 'BOUT 'DIS

[mizzim]

So... uu will be the Lord of Time.
Otherwise known as...
a Time Lord.

[irenicObserver]

I think the thing is that since her species is so isolationist her sense of beauty is biased by her hateful reactions with her brother and her experience with the relatively more appealing carapacians, humans and trolls.
edit:

Now THIS (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/47537) is more like it.
That reminds me of Goosebumps.

Don't forget the bug eyes and OH MY GOSH LORD IS ONE OF THE MASTER CLASSES LORD ENGLISH OH MY GOOOOOOSSSHHH WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE FREAKIN' OUT 'BOUT 'DIS

See, it irks me slightly that people keep thinking that. Not only is there not much evidence but it just sounds like most are trying to make a really bad joke. -.-

Try this on for size:http://ib.skaia.net/image/47544.png

[Draconi Redfir]

So... uu will be the Lord of Time.
Otherwise known as...
a Time Lord.

David Tennint is lord english! (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af147/Autobot_Beat/TimeLordEnglish.jpg)

[mizzim]

David Tennant is lord english! (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af147/Autobot_Beat/TimeLordEnglish.jpg)

Was... that... photoshopped?
Please tell me that wasn't photoshopped. Please tell me that David Tennant reads Homestuck. Please.

[Tectonic Robot]

I think the thing is that since her species is so isolationist her sense of beauty is biased by her hateful reactions with her brother and her experience with the relatively more appealing carapacians, humans and trolls.
That reminds me of Goosebumps.


See, it irks me slightly that people keep thinking that. Not only is there not much evidence but it just sounds like most are trying to make a really bad joke. -.-

Try this on for size:http://ib.skaia.net/image/47544.png

Irks you that people keep thinking what?

Also here is more art if everyone else is posting. ^^

http://ib.skaia.net/image/47537.jpg

[irenicObserver]

David Tennint is lord english! (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af147/Autobot_Beat/TimeLordEnglish.jpg)

Keep doing this. Not only is the Lord of Time theory unsupported, but it's just some seriously unfunny ship Hussie doesn't really go for. It's a bad joke at best.

[Tectonic Robot]

Ship? What ship?

And unsupported. Come on, dude. What do you think the other master class is going to be?

[irenicObserver]

That's not the point. My point is everyone's getting all flustered over some conjecture that sounds like a terrible pun.


LIKE OMG LORD; EVEN THOUGH UU NEVER MENTIONED LORD AND IT CAN BE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. LOL HUSSIE IS SUCH A TROLLING TEASE! I SEE YOUR END GAME MAN!

like come on people, it's a bandwagon. Use your head and come up with something else more tangible. That's my issue, plausibility, listen to what I am saying. At least hold back on all the hype, it's an irritating kind of groupthink.

[Oracle_Hunter]

So... uu will be the Lord of Time.
Otherwise known as...
a Time Lord.
No, uu is clearly The Master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_%28Doctor_Who%29) :smallamused:

[Eruantion]

So, is it possible the whole chess scene was just Hussie trying to hint at us that he was disguising one thing under the ruse of another?

[Draconi Redfir]

Was... that... photoshopped?
Please tell me that wasn't photoshopped. Please tell me that David Tennant reads Homestuck. Please.

i have no idea :P

[Eruantion]

Was... that... photoshopped?
Please tell me that wasn't photoshopped. Please tell me that David Tennant reads Homestuck. Please.

I hate to break it to you, but the stripes are clearly done in some sort of editor.

[Yuki Akuma]

That's not the point. My point is everyone's getting all flustered over some conjecture that sounds like a terrible pun.


LIKE OMG LORD; EVEN THOUGH UU NEVER MENTIONED LORD AND IT CAN BE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. LOL HUSSIE IS SUCH A TROLLING TEASE! I SEE YOUR END GAME MAN!

like come on people, it's a bandwagon. Use your head and come up with something else more tangible. That's my issue, plausibility, listen to what I am saying. At least hold back on all the hype, it's an irritating kind of groupthink.

I am quoting this post so I'll have a copy of it if uu's class does turn out to be Lord.

Carry on.

[Scowling Dragon]

Say. Whats the difference between chreub romance and troll blackrom?

[memnarch]

Say. Whats the difference between chreub romance and troll blackrom?

We don't know what one of them is and you hate the other? :smalltongue:

[mizzim]

No, uu is clearly The Master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_%28Doctor_Who%29) :smallamused:

The Master is a Time Lord, too! But yeah. and UU would be Romana!

[Tectonic Robot]

Say. Whats the difference between chreub romance and troll blackrom?

Apparently cherub mating is more of a fight. Not romance at all.

[Scowling Dragon]

We don't know what one of them is and you hate the other? :smalltongue:

Perfect.

But nah, I dont hate it. Just that I find it doesnt make sense.

[Draconi Redfir]

Considering uu found even the slightest amount of love and care to be pornographic, i think it's safe to assume they don’t really have any kind of affection.

My best guess? Their mating is more animistic, UU says it is violent, and that’s about all we have to go on. I would guess that the males and the females (or... whatever.) get together in one place and somehow determine who gets with who, perhaps its the male's choice, perhaps its "grab somebody, now you get to screw em", perhaps it's the female's choice, perhaps they get paired according to genes or what have you, but I’m willing to be there isn't any kind of connection between mates, you don't "get to know them" at all, and they might not even stay in contact once the job is done.


The act itself i would say is probably violent in the sense that it's one trying to get the other to submit the whole time. Either they both want to be on top, so it's a struggle to grab and hold the dominant position, or perhaps it's not uncommon for one or even both of the pair to be entirely up to the idea, so either the one that is needs to struggle to keep it's mate, or the two do the deed out of necessity, but bicker and fight one another the entire time because they aren't really enjoying it. or PERHAPS it's a case where one or both must battle other potential suitors to keep their mate. For example if we assume it's the classic male spat, guy 1 has the girl and wants to keep her, but guy 2 doesn't have the girl and wants her, so he attacks guy 1 in an attempt to get guy 1 to back off or die so he (guy 2) can have the girl. Not to say it's always the guys, it could be the girls who battle one another, or perhaps both fighting off other suitors for their mate. (Guy 1 is fighting off guy 2 who wants girl 1, meanwhile girl 1 is fighting off girl 2 who wants guy 1.)


Any form of actual connection or romance between a pair is likely rare, unheard of, legend, or the Cherub equivalent of S&M scenarios here on earth, a rare kink that is seen as unusual or looked down on by the rest of the species.

[ShinyCap]

Speaking of amusing videos... (were we speaking of amusing videos? Well, we were once, and we are again)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHGaKdVStXM

[Draconi Redfir]

Speaking of amusing videos... (were we speaking of amusing videos? Well, we were once, and we are again)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHGaKdVStXM

niiiiiice:smallbiggrin:

[Squark]

Yes. **** Yes. Hell ****in' Yes. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WocKXVG9w2A&feature=related)

[Lord Raziere]

T_T

Every time I try to listen to that song, I find I can't endure it after only a few seconds and want to stab my ears out because of the voice.

Why does a cheerful song provoke this reaction of annoyance? It doesn't make any sense….

[memnarch]

T_T

Every time I try to listen to that song, I find I can't endure it after only a few seconds and want to stab my ears out because of the voice.

Why does a cheerful song provoke this reaction of annoyance? It doesn't make any sense….

Meh, I don't like it either. So it makes quite a bit of sense that you don't like it raziere. :smalltongue:

[AgentPaper]

T_T

Every time I try to listen to that song, I find I can't endure it after only a few seconds and want to stab my ears out because of the voice.

Why does a cheerful song provoke this reaction of annoyance? It doesn't make any sense….

The voices were kinda annoying at first, but once you get used to them a bit they're not so bad. Once you're used to them, you can listen to the lyrics more, which are pretty good. I actually liked Dirk's line, despite the initial comment in the video.

[Scowling Dragon]

Gosh darn do I feel bad for Calliope.

She has pictures of herself as a troll on the wall. The fact that she finds herself ugly is just so sad. I want to give her a hug. :smallfrown:

Especially since she looks real cute with that smile.

[maximus25]

uu will be King of Time, or Pimp of Time.


Not Lord of Time, come on guys.

[Scowling Dragon]

Yup. She's a troll fangirl alright. :smallamused:

Seriously girl, get some self esteem.

[Draconi Redfir]

That chain intrigues me. Perhaps there is hope that they do not share the same body after all!:smallbiggrin:

[Zejety]

That chain intrigues me. Perhaps there is hope that they do not share the same body after all!:smallbiggrin:

On the other hand the fact that the face paint angers uu makes a point in favor of the shared-body theory.

[Draconi Redfir]

True, but he could also just find it annoying to look at. never know.

[Scowling Dragon]

Holy crap even better!

Her Brother may want to escape from her, but he is chained. The chain may be to tough to cut.

But you know what isn't? Flesh. And you know whos missing a leg? His name contains the word "English".

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Holy crap even better!

Her Brother may want to escape from her, but he is chained. The chain may be to tough to cut.

But you know what isn't? Flesh. And you know whos missing a leg? His name contains the word "English".

Hello, uu. I want to play a game. :smallamused:

[Scowling Dragon]

Hello, uu. I want to play a game...

....Blow up a universe and pimp some ladies. I am a man of many tastes :smallbiggrin:

[Draconi Redfir]

Holy crap even better!

Her Brother may want to escape from her, but he is chained. The chain may be to tough to cut.

But you know what isn't? Flesh. And you know whos missing a leg? His name contains the word "English".

... Makes sense...

[Guancyto]

Holy crap even better!

Her Brother may want to escape from her, but he is chained. The chain may be to tough to cut.

But you know what isn't? Flesh. And you know whos missing a leg? His name contains the word "English".

With their chained legs being shown side-by-side in an earlier strip, English is also missing the correct leg.

Edit: And isn't sawing off limbs to escape a Thing(tm) in Saw?

[Draconi Redfir]

My freinds?


i think we have a theory.

[irenicObserver]

I'm disappointed by the fact that we may never learn what kinds of powers limebloods actually have.

[Scowling Dragon]

And isn't sawing off limbs to escape a Thing(tm) in Saw?

Yup. And uu LOVES playing games.

So yeah. We have a theory.

Edit: And also this theory (http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/47742)

[irenicObserver]

OMG uGuu~!
http://ib.skaia.net/image/47751.png
And this (http://mspaforums.com/showthread.php?p=6444369#post6444369) is hilarious!

[Scowling Dragon]

Hussie, you scamp.

edit:

Alright. I won't complain about the romance scheme anymore, but hussie isn't making it easy for me.

So Calliope can essentially only feel black-rom. But whats so titalating about auspicing? It involves black rom anyway. Just them preventing the two groups from killing each other (Gee isn't that romantic). Then Morialls. Thats also a thing about one person preventing the other from going off the rocker. Seriously? Calliope is daydreaming about being involved in preventing one dangerous person from going berserk.

Cherubs sure are weird.

[Friv]

Hussie, you scamp.

edit:

Alright. I won't complain about the romance scheme anymore, but hussie isn't making it easy for me.

So Calliope can essentially only feel black-rom. But whats so titillating about auspicing? It involves black rom anyway. Just them preventing the two groups from killing each other (Gee isn't that romantic). Then Morialls. Thats also a thing about one person preventing the other from going off the rocker. Seriously? Calliope is daydreaming about being involved in preventing one dangerous person from going berserk.

Cherubs sure are weird.

Hey, if I was locked in a room with an insane brother who went berserk all the damn time, I'd probably be fantasizing about him calming the hell down too.

And actually, moirails are in some ways the nicest of the four quadrants. It's not just "preventing one dangerous person from going berserk", it's being the guy who is always there for someone else, always having someone who has your back and who you have the back of. Two people who can totally, perfectly trust each other, in a mostly-platonic way.


Other things that I've noticed:

1) The "both in the same body" idea seems to be losing weight. It looks like they might actually just be chained to each other in a weird way with the whole "neutral area of the room" thing.
2) Calliope appears to have Doc Scratch's holster on her coatstand.
3) Gamzee, you scamp. Using the blood of the Heir of Void to void out information, how cute. And creepy.

[Shadow of the Sun]

And this is why I freakin' love Gamzee.

[irenicObserver]

I think Calliope's interest in trollmance is another reference to the fandom. That is that technically humans can only feel redrom but mspa fans are deeply fascinated with feeling the other three quandrants.

Also, I would like to point out some parallels:
uu wants to write in Calliope's blood when he kills her.
Gamzee wrote in his and the other trolls' blood when he went sober.
Lord English's text cycles through various colors. They could the colors of universes he has killed.
Interestingly, in regard to Gamzee writing notes in his own blood, he might have picked up this habit after going God tier. He most likely killed himself.
Another point of fact regarding Gamzee is his destroyer role as Bard of Rage. His speech, in fact his typing quirk, to Karkat makes a lot more sense when you consider he came into his Role and might have bifurcated his personalities similar to Dirk's fragmentation.

Speaking of Dirk, I'm interested by the fact that Terezi can see him. It makes sense with her as the Seer of Mind and him being a fragment of Jake's mind. But it should be considered that without Jake he is still a wholesale fragment of Dirk's being, existing when Jake is no longer asleep. This suggests an overlay between Aspects: the decisions of Mind, the identity of Heart, the (theorised) relationships of Blood. I just found this train rather interesting to consider.

[ShinyCap]

1) The "both in the same body" idea seems to be losing weight. It looks like they might actually just be chained to each other in a weird way with the whole "neutral area of the room" thing.


I'm not really seeing that as necessarily debunking the "same body" theory. Particularly since the hypothetical bed would be in neutral territory--only need one bed for one body, and since both of them could essentially sleep in it, it would have to be neutral.

Not that I'm sure I buy the "both in the same body" idea either, but I'm just saying I think it's still open.

[Scowling Dragon]

And actually, moirails are in some ways the nicest of the four quadrants. It's not just "preventing one dangerous person from going berserk", it's being the guy who is always there for someone else, always having someone who has your back and who you have the back of. Two people who can totally, perfectly trust each other, in a mostly-platonic way.
Humans/ Trolls already have that. Its called friendship. Unless Morials are just a repackaged version. its exactly that- One person protects you, you calm the person down.

Except in Calliopes situation her brother abuses her and she can't do anything about it.

[Squark]

Humans/ Trolls already have that. Its called friendship. Unless Morials are just a repackaged version. its exactly that- One person protects you, you calm the person down.

Except in Calliopes situation her brother abuses her and she can't do anything about it.

Basically, a morial's primary responsibilities are protection/moderation, but as part of those duties, (good) moirals naturally become very, very close friends.

[Scowling Dragon]

Still. 3 of the quadrants in troll society are related to berserking ( And being friends with crazy people will not always turn out well. Crazy berserk people tend to be more....Berserk. Karkat has shoosh pap powers. I wouldn't be surprised if tons of Morials die trying to calm their opposite down), contempt, and hatred. And I remind you this existed in pre-scratch alternia as well.

Seriously Calliope why would you want any of this? Your more like some of the crazier fanbase then I would imagine.

[Calemyr]

Humans/ Trolls already have that. Its called friendship. Unless Morials are just a repackaged version. its exactly that- One person protects you, you calm the person down.

Except in Calliopes situation her brother abuses her and she can't do anything about it.

Trolls had no concept of friendship because it was already part of their quadrant system. They use the word romance where we would use the word relationship. Their quadrant system breaks relationships into four varieties with defined roles and expectations.

Humans, on the other hand, define both friendship and love in extremely nebulous terms, based on personal tastes and perspectives. For instance, my definition of friend would be someone else's definition of best friend, and I would refer to what they would call friends as mere acquaintances. The roles and expectations of friends and loved ones are so poorly defined it is laughable. I mean, heck, what kind of love would we be talking about in the first place?

Put another way, the human definition of friends/family, lovers, co-workers, and enemies would actually be a bit like the troll quadrants - if said quadrant was drawn by Terezi. This isn't entirely true, of course. You know exactly what to expect from a moirail, but there are not really any set expectations for a friend.

[mizzim]

Put another way, the human definition of friends/family, lovers, co-workers, and enemies would actually be a bit like the troll quadrants - if said quadrant was drawn by Terezi. This isn't entirely true, of course. You know exactly what to expect from a moirail, but there are not really any set expectations for a friend.

Or perhaps uu.

[BRC]

Still. 3 of the quadrants in troll society are related to berserking ( And being friends with crazy people will not always turn out well. Crazy berserk people tend to be more....Berserk. Karkat has shoosh pap powers. I wouldn't be surprised if tons of Morials die trying to calm their opposite down), contempt, and hatred. And I remind you this existed in pre-scratch alternia as well.

Seriously Calliope why would you want any of this? Your more like some of the crazier fanbase then I would imagine.
Each new alien race Hussie introduces becomes increasingly Meta. Some of the Trolls serve as parodies of internet archetypes. The Cherubs appear to be representative of the Fandom itself, with Calliope as the Fandom, obsessed with Cosplaying, Art, and Fanfiction, and uu as the Hatedom, that part of many Fandoms that, despite claiming undying hatred for the work in question, keeps going back to it, and is as, if not more, familiar with it than the fans themselves.

[Scowling Dragon]

Ok Il shut up now before I begin to ramble about trollmance again. Unless Hussie throws coal into my fire. Again.

[Gez]

I mean, heck, what kind of love would we be talking about in the first place?
Human romance sure is weird! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_styles)

[irenicObserver]

Huh, so Calliope has Object Duality specibi.

And...her glassy eyes are going to follow all movement aren't they?

[AgentPaper]

Welp, looks like Shared Body is confirmed now. Unless something new and weird comes up to re-re-debunk it, which of course means it will. Hum.

[Draconi Redfir]

Welp, looks like Shared Body is confirmed now. Unless something new and weird comes up to re-re-debunk it, which of course means it will. Hum.

I'd say it's about a 50-50 chance right now. we have a lot of evidence for one body, but at the same time there are a few things that seem to point the other way.


At least it's not two trolls shairing a body.

[Draconi Redfir]

I'd say it's about a 50-50 chance right now. we have a lot of evidence for one body, but at the same time there are a few things that seem to point the other way.

Nevermind.

[maximus25]

Red herrings, red herrings everywhere.

[irenicObserver]

The story is coming down to the wire and Hussie is getting rather blunt.
lol

[Scowling Dragon]

So the sarcophagus also causes gender swap. That is unless English goes through major surgery later.

[AgentPaper]

So the sarcophagus also causes gender swap. That is unless English goes through major surgery later.

Or they simply don't have a gender. Wouldn't be the strangest thing about them, at any rate.

And yeah, can't say I was surprised. Looks like Huss finally went for a double reacharound with the foreshadowing, implying something very hard so the readers assume it must be a herring, then making it actually happen. Although really, even with that I was basically expecting this to happen.

Anyways, that's a very nice Red Sun they've got there. Wonder if it's any relation...

[Scowling Dragon]

Thats what I thought, too but the hero mode pic looks rather genderly.

[Draconi Redfir]

Seems to be a repaint of Terezi's looking-at-the-sun bit. that could be why.

[Gez]

Anyways, that's a very nice Red Sun they've got there. Wonder if it's any relation...

Now all they need is a Blue Sun and they'll be able to create the largest pixel ever.

[Scowling Dragon]

Hmmm. A bit of a problem. If her chain goes to THAT leg, then her brother would have sown off his other leg instead......

[Gez]

Hmmm. A bit of a problem. If her chain goes to THAT leg, then her brother would have sown off his other leg instead......

You've got to flip it turnways.

In other words, only compare the character's asymmetrical detail when they are facing the same direction.