Highest Powered ECl 1 Character You Can Make

[Empedocles]

Make the most powerful ECL 1 character you can possibly make. 32 point buy, normal starting gold. GO! :smallbiggrin:

[docnessuno]

The classics! (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER.)

[Venusaur]

Elven generalist domain wizard with versatile spellcaster!

[Mithril Leaf]

I personally feel proud of this guy.
He's not as optimized but he is level one and I'm too lazy to rebuild him. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13311300&postcount=110)

[VGLordR2]

I once read something about a level one Hengeyokai Sparrow defeating the Tarrasque. I think it involved picking up a few hundred pounds of small clubs, flying over the Tarrasque in sparrow form, then dropping all of the clubs. The Tarrasque takes a few hundred d6 damage, no save, due to falling object rules. It was pretty interesting, but I don't know if it's 100% legal.

[Little Brother]

I assume you mean beyond well-known, stupid things like Punpun?

My favorite way requires feat-shuffling. The feats can easily be gotten through Taint or Elder Evil worshiping.
Middle-aged Human Cloistered Cleric 1
Envy and/or any domain that grants Miracle
Feats: Heighten, Earth Sense, Earth Spell, DMM:Heighten, Extra Slot. Cha 17 and Wis 18 get bumped to wis 19 and cha 18.

Besides that, a Spellstitched Necropolitan. You can get this on that cleric build above. Congrats, you have 9th-level cleric spells and 6th level Sorcerer spells as SLAs(As well as +4 STR and DEX, +2 NA, +10 land speed, +6HP/HD, and a bunch more goodies). You can buy PsyRefs and enough Wis damage castings to put your Wis to zero for Spellstitching(So no ridiculous XP costs). NPC WBL is 900, or since you were a level 3 adventurer, pre-Psyref and necropolitan, so you can have 2700 to play with.

What? You end at level one, it counts.

I once read something about a level one Hengeyokai Sparrow defeating the Tarrasque. I think it involved picking up a few hundred pounds of small clubs, flying over the Tarrasque in sparrow form, then dropping all of the clubs. The Tarrasque takes a few hundred d6 damage, no save, due to falling object rules. It was pretty interesting, but I don't know if it's 100% legal.HOB gives a DC 15, IIRC, save to avoid falling objects(It actually has no size limit, so you could(Temporarily) survive being at ground zero of a colony drop).

[Hiro Protagonest]

The classics! (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER.)
Beat me to it!

Elven generalist domain wizard with versatile spellcaster!

Nah, human focused conjurer with Abrupt Jaunt, Improved Initiative, Nerveskitter(?) (I don't know what level it is), Precocious Apprentice (Scorching Ray), and Fiery Burst. Good endurance, can pull out a Grease or Color Spray every encounter.

[Flickerdart]

Beat me to it!


Nah, human focused conjurer with Abrupt Jaunt, Improved Initiative, Nerveskitter(?) (I don't know what level it is), Precocious Apprentice (Scorching Ray), and Fiery Burst. Good endurance, can pull out a Grease or Color Spray every encounter.
The Generalist build has 9th level spells due to a ladder effect on Elven Generalist. Grease doesn't really hold up.

[Little Brother]

The Generalist build has 9th level spells due to a ladder effect on Elven Generalist. Grease doesn't really hold up.But it doesn't actually HAVE 9th level spells beyond the Domain, does it?

[Vizzerdrix]

Define Power? are we talking one shot, or an all day sort of power? Couse I could whip something up that can do it's con score in d6s of damage if you'd like.

[Dumbledore lives]

For a 1st level game I love some feel drain sonic snaps, especially in any sort of arena context. Need flaws, taint, or worshiping elder evils for feats, or elf and chaos shuffle I guess, but you don't really have the wealth for that. The point is in any hi-op game it's a fun build.

[Little Brother]

Define Power? are we talking one shot, or an all day sort of power? Couse I could whip something up that can do it's con score in d6s of damage if you'd like.On a Dragonborn Arctic Mongrelfolk, by any chance?

26d6 seems pretty nice at level one.

[Vizzerdrix]

On a Dragonborn Arctic Mongrelfolk, by any chance?

26d6 seems pretty nice at level one.

If that is what you wish. Just take the Spellfire feat and a way to charge it (warlock maybe?). Boom. 26D6 at 400 feat as a touch attack. Or use it to heal a total of 52 damage, your call.

[Doorhandle]

1. Make a bog-standard medium-sized lv 6 character, of any class or race. Make sure your stat-bonuses are high-enough that you still have a str/con score of 1+ after applying a -16 penalty, and a decent score in 1 stat of your choice (preferably dex). An orc is ideal if you're playing a gunslinger.
Current C.R of 5. (CR = P.C class levels -1).

2. Apply the young template 4 times (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/simple-template-young-cr-1), making him fine-sized. Each application reduces C.R by 1, making his C.R 1. You now have almost no strength or con (-16), but impressive dexterity (+16).

3. ???

4. Profit.

I would suggest a gunslinger or anything with dervish dance if you want to do straight damage, as you strength bonus is doing precisely NOTHING for you while your dex bonus is completely obscene. Or make him a spell caster so this is all irreverent. Regardless, you may want to specialise in sniping as if you have so much as 1 rank in stealth, you basically cannot be seen by anything of your encounter-level.

[Heatwizard]

2. Apply the young template 4 times (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/simple-template-young-cr-1), making him fine-sized. Each application reduces C.R by 1, making his C.R 1. You now have almost no strength or con (-16), but impressive dexterity (+16).

Bonuses/penalties from the same source don't stack. That Dex bonus is typed, as well.

[Demonic_Spoon]

Can we use incarnate construct shenanigans?

[Empedocles]

I assume you mean beyond well-known, stupid things like Punpun?

Punpun is ECL 4, correct? And the omniscifer is ECL 3. I'm talking ECL 1 only.


Can we use incarnate construct shenanigans?

Go ahead :smallsmile:

[Little Brother]

Punpun is ECL 4, correct? And the omniscifer is ECL 3. I'm talking ECL 1 only.Punpun WAS ECL4. It can now be done at ECL 1.

[Gurgeh]

Bonuses/penalties from the same source don't stack. That Dex bonus is typed, as well.
More relevantly, CR is not the same as ECL. A level 6 character is still going to be ECL 6 even if it can be reduced to CR 1.

[Demonic_Spoon]

Go ahead :smallsmile:

Incarnate construct warforged level 3 wizard or whatever, ECL 1

[Little Brother]

Incarnate construct warforged level 3 wizard or whatever, ECL 1Doesn't work like that. It's LA -2, min 0, for stacking LA.

EDIT: It is also still inferior to my Spellstitched Necropolitan Cleric(Or, really, just a spell-stitched Necropolitan with Wis 19, or the cleric by itself)

[Demonic_Spoon]

Incarnate construct is a acquired template, you acquire it once you're level 3. ECL 1

[Jack_Simth]

But it doesn't actually HAVE 9th level spells beyond the Domain, does it?
Actually, it does end up with a spare spell slot at 9th level, fully able to cast it... if he can get one such spell scribed. And even with just the domain (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizardVariantDomainWiz ard) spells... well, there's a lot of spells that are encounter enders in some of them. Cold, Fire, Evocation, Necromancy, Enchantment, Conjouration, and Transmutation domains will do quite well, even at caster level 1.

[Little Brother]

Yes, I know it has the slot, but it doesn't actually get a spell beyond the Domain for 9th level, does it? Those are pretty nice, but I, personally, prefer Envy. Wish is nice, for wish loops.

Incarnate construct is a acquired template, you acquire it once you're level 3. ECL 1Nope. Doesn't work that way. Cancels out LA. Class levels=/=LA.

[Gurgeh]

Incarnate construct is a acquired template, you acquire it once you're level 3. ECL 1
No, you don't. The rules specify that the LA is a minimum of zero; it will mitigate LA from other sources, but it will not allow you to get free class levels or hit dice.

Secondly, Incarnate Construct is 3.0 material, so any use of it would require DM intervention (and I doubt any reasonable DM would allow a template clearly designed under the assumption that there would never be a construct with an LA less than 2 to be used in such a fashion).

Honestly, why do people keep on trying to use this? It's even worse than the Xvart "LA -2" misprint being propagated everywhere.

Edited for context.

[Demonic_Spoon]

Umm, I asked the OP whether I could use it? Sheesh.

[Little Brother]

Umm, I asked the OP whether I could use it? Sheesh.Incarnate construct cheese is like Primordial Dustform Half-Ogre. You can actually make a pretty nasty Ikea PC using it.

That just doesn't work. Incarnate Construct cheese is not that, it's the above.

[Empedocles]

Nope. Doesn't work that way. Cancels out LA. Class levels=/=LA.

Yeah this seems RAW to me. So the best you could do with incarnate construct is get a more powerful race..

[Soranar]

1rst thought

take any creature

add the dustform template
add the incarnate construct template

repeat until you have enough str to satisfy you

2nd thought

No one mentioned a chicken infested commoner? Unlimited chickens (through a spell component pouch which is a free action to draw from) are definitely more versatile than spells IMO.

[Tanuki Tales]

More relevantly, CR is not the same as ECL. A level 6 character is still going to be ECL 6 even if it can be reduced to CR 1.

Guys, it's a Pathfinder template. Under Pathfinder rules CR is basically ECL.

Also;


If you're in a rush in the middle of a game and, say, need stats for a Gargantuan wolf, you can absolutely stack the giant template to get a quick and dirty stat block for a Gargantuan wolf out of a normal wolf.

But if you're actually building the stats beforehand, you should just rebuild that wolf (or whatever) from scratch, using the more detailed rules for advancing a creature by size or HD.

The simple templates are, frankly TOO simple to really hold up when you're really getting into the stat block and rebuilding. You can certainly use them to get started, I suppose, but in the end if you have time and have the interest in building a stat block up before the game, you really should follow the more detailed rules for creating and balancing monsters in Appendix I.

They stack. James Jacobs does note that it's really more a quick and dirty method and actual stat block modification or recreation from scratch using the creation rules for the game are preferred, but they stack.

[Duke of URL]

Getting away from the ridiculous and into the practical, I really, really like Crusader 1 for power and durability, and a lot of that durability rubs off on the party as well. Pick some nice, beefy LA +0 race such as Water Orc, put an 18 in STR, and pretty much just know that your mental stats are going to be pretty poor.

[dextercorvia]

Yes, I know it has the slot, but it doesn't actually get a spell beyond the Domain for 9th level, does it? Those are pretty nice, but I, personally, prefer Envy. Wish is nice, for wish loops.
Nope. Doesn't work that way. Cancels out LA. Class levels=/=LA.

Envy is a cleric domain, not an applicable choice. Also, XP cost is bad at first level.

You have one more flaw you could take with the Versatile Domain Generalist. I suggest a versatile metamagic like Quicken or Chain. You could instead take a feat like Mother Cyst, or a Bloodline feat, which would give you at least two spells known at every level. At level 2, you can start your free scribing of higher level spells to round out your picks. This makes Collegiate Wizard a reasonable choice. I'd probably go for the metamagic if you are thinking of entering a cheesegrinder, although the right Bloodline feat might be a better choice.

Enchantment is actually a strong domain to pick, since you can't go wrong with Dominate Monster at low levels. That might make a CL boost worth investing some resources in. For 300gp, you can get some very specific things from CC.