ngilop
2012-06-11, 11:03 PM
Hello everybody, normally i am a pretty laid back kinda guy, but when I said that accoridng to RAW monks gets a - penalty to unarmde strikes becuase they actually lack weapon prificeny for Unarmdes trikes some guy got mad and laid a bunch of blah in my face. his repsonse was as such
Unarmed Strike
At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk’s attacks may be with either fist interchangeably or even from elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may even make unarmed strikes with her hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply her full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all her unarmed strikes.
Usually a monk’s unarmed strikes deal lethal damage, but she can choose to deal nonlethal damage instead with no penalty on her attack roll. She has the same choice to deal lethal or nonlethal damage while grappling.
A monk’s unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.
Note that bolded part. It is the herald of you smacking your forehead into the desk. Since every creature is considered proficient in it's natural attacks and unarmed attacks are their natural attacks. Rules as Written you are wrong. Completely and utterly. In a way that would shame your family if they knew the amount of venom you had spewed in asserting the dominance of your faulty view of the game.
Proficient in the weapon - Check
Given Improved Unarmed Strike as a class feature - Check
Good night folks! I'll be here all week! Remember to tip your waiter!
Now, i alreayd sai at this point that is was an unintentional rules left out of the monk class and that i don't think a DM alive has actually enforced it, but sicne he was arguing that RAW ToB classes are more powerufl than druids, cleric and wizards becasue and that even though you cna GATe in a 40 HD solar, nobody ever would beucase that is not the intention (yes the hypocrasy did not fail to cath my attention. anyways i tried to be civil for a while and expalin that i was agreing withhim about that everybody ignores it, but as writted they (monks) do not get unarmded proficiency. here is my last points to be made, I am just wondering if people who are btter versed in ther ules than myself can ive me more supports ruleings here.
Unarmed Strikes and Natural Weaponry
Before we move on, it's worth pointing out that a character making an unarmed attack, even with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, does not have natural weapons. Nor is a natural weapon a substitute for the Improved Unarmed Strike feat.
As we saw in Part One, unarmed strikes allow iterative attacks and natural weapons do not.
A feat that requires natural weaponry as a prerequisite, such as Multiattack, doesn't work with unarmed strikes. Likewise, having a natural weapon is not a substitute for the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. For example, you don't meet the Improved Unarmed Strike prerequisite for the Deflect Arrows feat if you just have a natural weapon.
Remember, however, that magic weapon enhancements that work with natural weaponry, such as the magic fangspell, also work with unarmed attacks. This rule allows pugilists and martial artists access to some magic weapon enhancements (also see the next section). It also reflects the fact that a creature making an unarmed strike is using part of its body in the attack.
Last week, we considered the monk's unarmed strike class feature and also looked into what ensues when creatures combine unarmed attacks with attacks from manufactured or natural weaponry.
This week, we'll delve into a few more issues arising from monks' unarmed attacks and we'll conclude our look into unarmed attacks with a few notes about using unarmed attacks with some selected class features and special attack actions.
Monks and Natural Weapons
As we saw in Part Two, a creature with natural weapons can use them for secondary attacks when using the full attack action. A monk character with natural weaponry has the same option.
For example, an 8th-level lizardfolk monk with a Strength score of 17 has a base attack bonus of +7 (+1 for its 2 humanoid Hit Dice and +6 for its monk levels). The character has three natural weapons: two claws (1d4) and one bite (1d4). For this example, we'll assume the character also has the Multiattack feat.
With the full attack action, our example monk can make two unarmed attacks thanks to its +7 base attack bonus. After adding in the +3 bonus from the monk's Strength score of 17, our example character's unarmed attacks have the following attack bonuses: +10/+5. Thanks to the monk's class level and Strength score, damage for the unarmed strikes is 1d10+3.
The example monk also can attack with its claws and bite as secondary natural attacks at a -2 penalty (thanks to the character's Multiattack feat). Each natural weapon uses the character's +7 base attack bonus and +3 Strength modifier, except that the Strength bonus on damage is halved because these are secondary attacks: 2 claws +8 (1d4+1) and bite +8 (1d4+1).
As noted last week, there are no two-weapon or off-hand penalties for these attacks.
The example monk cannot use a flurry of blows because a flurry doesn't work with natural weaponry.
Unarmed Strike
At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk’s attacks may be with either fist interchangeably or even from elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may even make unarmed strikes with her hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply her full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all her unarmed strikes.
Usually a monk’s unarmed strikes deal lethal damage, but she can choose to deal nonlethal damage instead with no penalty on her attack roll. She has the same choice to deal lethal or nonlethal damage while grappling.
A monk’s unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.
Note that bolded part. It is the herald of you smacking your forehead into the desk. Since every creature is considered proficient in it's natural attacks and unarmed attacks are their natural attacks. Rules as Written you are wrong. Completely and utterly. In a way that would shame your family if they knew the amount of venom you had spewed in asserting the dominance of your faulty view of the game.
Proficient in the weapon - Check
Given Improved Unarmed Strike as a class feature - Check
Good night folks! I'll be here all week! Remember to tip your waiter!
Now, i alreayd sai at this point that is was an unintentional rules left out of the monk class and that i don't think a DM alive has actually enforced it, but sicne he was arguing that RAW ToB classes are more powerufl than druids, cleric and wizards becasue and that even though you cna GATe in a 40 HD solar, nobody ever would beucase that is not the intention (yes the hypocrasy did not fail to cath my attention. anyways i tried to be civil for a while and expalin that i was agreing withhim about that everybody ignores it, but as writted they (monks) do not get unarmded proficiency. here is my last points to be made, I am just wondering if people who are btter versed in ther ules than myself can ive me more supports ruleings here.
Unarmed Strikes and Natural Weaponry
Before we move on, it's worth pointing out that a character making an unarmed attack, even with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, does not have natural weapons. Nor is a natural weapon a substitute for the Improved Unarmed Strike feat.
As we saw in Part One, unarmed strikes allow iterative attacks and natural weapons do not.
A feat that requires natural weaponry as a prerequisite, such as Multiattack, doesn't work with unarmed strikes. Likewise, having a natural weapon is not a substitute for the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. For example, you don't meet the Improved Unarmed Strike prerequisite for the Deflect Arrows feat if you just have a natural weapon.
Remember, however, that magic weapon enhancements that work with natural weaponry, such as the magic fangspell, also work with unarmed attacks. This rule allows pugilists and martial artists access to some magic weapon enhancements (also see the next section). It also reflects the fact that a creature making an unarmed strike is using part of its body in the attack.
Last week, we considered the monk's unarmed strike class feature and also looked into what ensues when creatures combine unarmed attacks with attacks from manufactured or natural weaponry.
This week, we'll delve into a few more issues arising from monks' unarmed attacks and we'll conclude our look into unarmed attacks with a few notes about using unarmed attacks with some selected class features and special attack actions.
Monks and Natural Weapons
As we saw in Part Two, a creature with natural weapons can use them for secondary attacks when using the full attack action. A monk character with natural weaponry has the same option.
For example, an 8th-level lizardfolk monk with a Strength score of 17 has a base attack bonus of +7 (+1 for its 2 humanoid Hit Dice and +6 for its monk levels). The character has three natural weapons: two claws (1d4) and one bite (1d4). For this example, we'll assume the character also has the Multiattack feat.
With the full attack action, our example monk can make two unarmed attacks thanks to its +7 base attack bonus. After adding in the +3 bonus from the monk's Strength score of 17, our example character's unarmed attacks have the following attack bonuses: +10/+5. Thanks to the monk's class level and Strength score, damage for the unarmed strikes is 1d10+3.
The example monk also can attack with its claws and bite as secondary natural attacks at a -2 penalty (thanks to the character's Multiattack feat). Each natural weapon uses the character's +7 base attack bonus and +3 Strength modifier, except that the Strength bonus on damage is halved because these are secondary attacks: 2 claws +8 (1d4+1) and bite +8 (1d4+1).
As noted last week, there are no two-weapon or off-hand penalties for these attacks.
The example monk cannot use a flurry of blows because a flurry doesn't work with natural weaponry.