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motoko's ghost
2012-06-20, 01:48 PM
Welcome one and all to the sixth zinc saucier challenge, where playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful:smallwink:) builds.

The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the secret ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!

For the sixth challenge get ready to tip the waiter your soul as its the Complete Arcane's Warlock

Our challengers will have 2 weeks to build a complete build from lvs 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official 3.5 material(excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Warlock without actually using any levels in it.
Entries Must be submitted by 4th July 5:00PM GMT

Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;

* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)


Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.

Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.
Sauciers can submit as many builds as they want but please dont use leadership, as we dont want to overfeed the judges:smalltongue:


Also it comes with double prize money.:smallbiggrin:

Previous challenges;
Soulknife (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225187)
Bard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229736)
Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233749)
Assassin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239294)
Barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243627)

mattie_p
2012-06-20, 02:08 PM
I'm in again, one way or another.

Warlock!

motoko's ghost
2012-06-20, 02:10 PM
I'm in again, one way or another.

Warlock!

Yup it's time for a casting class

The Gilded Duke
2012-06-20, 02:52 PM
Ooooo Shiny

mattie_p
2012-06-20, 03:36 PM
I have two ideas so far... we'll see if they come together. Interesting...

Kuulvheysoon
2012-06-20, 05:21 PM
Consider me signed up once again - though whether as a competitor or as a judge (more likely, honestly - I'm still in the midst of writing my Wu Jen Handbook).

The Underlord
2012-06-29, 10:06 PM
Is this still going?

rot42
2012-06-29, 11:10 PM
First post says we have until the fourth. I am hoping to see what other people come up with, as all my thoughts have led straight to suck.

motoko's ghost
2012-06-30, 01:26 AM
:smalleek:Hopefully It's still going. I haven't gotten any builds yet though

mattie_p
2012-06-30, 04:15 AM
I've still got some ideas... pulling them together

dspeyer
2012-06-30, 08:45 AM
I missed the initial announcement. I'll think about this one.

mattie_p
2012-06-30, 09:04 AM
There's still plenty of time. Lots of fun to be had all around.

The Gilded Duke
2012-06-30, 10:44 AM
Got a build almost done, just need power back.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-07-03, 09:29 PM
I've just recently got inspiration for this - We'll see if I can cook something up in 24 hours or less.

EDIT: Alright, I can't do it. If only the deadline was July 7th, I could do it (all of the evening for July 4th/all day on the 6th I'm free). I'm mostly done the crunch, but I haven't even started with the fluff.

Any chance for a slight extension, Mr. Chairperson?

rot42
2012-07-04, 02:01 PM
I would like to second the call for an extension. I decided to cobble together a build after all, but, well, it is past the deadline already. A few more hours, perhaps, or until the weekend?

mattie_p
2012-07-04, 02:38 PM
Yes ... real life can be a ... problem ... can't it. I have to admit I was swept up by RL. I also, could use a day or two.

motoko's ghost
2012-07-04, 04:14 PM
I'll push back the deadline by a day or two then.

Just got the first build too

The Gilded Duke
2012-07-04, 06:26 PM
Probably best with the outages and all. I'm looking forward to the next round.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-07-04, 10:27 PM
Outages? What on earth are you talking about?

rot42
2012-07-04, 10:55 PM
Outages? What on earth are you talking about?

A bunch of my friends in the in the northeastern United States have been without power after a monster storm the other day, so probably that.

edit to avoid double posting: my build is submitted but not showing up in my outbox. Motoko, can you confirm that it is in or tell me that I fubared something?

mattie_p
2012-07-05, 04:39 PM
Unfortunately I won't be able to enter a build, therefore I will judge again. Timing was just bad this round, I had a few ideas that I just couldn't make time to construct.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-07-05, 05:41 PM
Unfortunately I won't be able to enter a build, therefore I will judge again. Timing was just bad this round, I had a few ideas that I just couldn't make time to construct.

Got mine in last night; I'm just hoping that my entry isn't too obvious (that it belongs to me).

mattie_p
2012-07-05, 06:50 PM
I think there'll be a few entries. Even though I'll be on a trip, I'll be able to judge before the end of the competition. Best of luck to all competitors. Please use my judging criteria from last round if you need a reference.

motoko's ghost
2012-07-06, 06:39 PM
Alright I've given an extension and I've gotten 2 submissions so far, is anyone else going to submit or do we start the judging now?

The Underlord
2012-07-06, 07:38 PM
I'm still putting together a submission. If it is not done by the end of tomorrow, feel free to go ahead.

rot42
2012-07-06, 10:09 PM
Did you get my build, Motoko?

motoko's ghost
2012-07-07, 11:02 AM
Did you get my build, Motoko?

No, I haven't received anything from you yet, you might want to try resending it

rot42
2012-07-07, 01:07 PM
No, I haven't received anything from you yet, you might want to try resending it

I think I might have sent it to your email instead of PM the first time - sorry about that, should be fixed now.

motoko's ghost
2012-07-07, 10:15 PM
I think I might have sent it to your email instead of PM the first time - sorry about that, should be fixed now.

Ok, got it now.

For future reference dont try to email things to me, I won't receive them

motoko's ghost
2012-07-09, 12:05 AM
Okay, I'm gonna say we're going to go ahead and post up the builds now


Blind you with Science

I WILL BLIND YOU WITH SCIENCE
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/407620/Science.jpg
Science!

Some sell their souls for power.
I don't have a soul.
Souls are a relic of an outmoded belief system.
Here is what I believe:
Give me a long enough lever and I can blow up the world.

Purpose:

The scientist makes ranged touch attacks to deal large amounts of damage in a variety of energy types. Their main method of attack is sneak attacking with alchemical items. While sneak attack can be blocked, there are many ways to get around sneak attack immunity. The main advantage over a normal warlock is that the scientist can make multiple attacks per round, six of them per round by 20th level before haste. All of these attacks are extraordinary attacks that work even in anti-magic fields. The scientist also never runs out of spells per day, as their spells are directly based off of the spells of their opponents. As a full spell thief, the Scientist can steal six spells per round up to 9th level, as well as stealing spell like abilities and energy resistance. With the right party, they can help break the action economy by casting the spells of allies as well.

But the scientist doesn't stop with poking things with alchemist fire, the scientist can do better. The scientist can make explosive packs. Explosive packs can be set ahead of time, and can be set while stealthing. The scientist usually sets the explosive packs to have a one round detonation timer. Explosive packs automatically go off when taking damage. Most alchemical items are splash weapons. Set up the explosive packs ahead of time while stealthed and invisible, and then when you enter combat itself, set them off with your splash weapon, in addition to taking the sneak attack + craven damage six times per round, your opponent will also take explosives damage, and might suddenly find that the floor underneath them (which took double damage) no longer exists. As non-mobile items, explosive packs are perfect targets for invisibility spells.

And if you need to do damage in a hurry, you can always nova. Your two novas in this case are Minor Creation and Fabricate cast as a standard action. Minor Creation lets you create 10 cubic feat of oil in a single casting. When ignited, each flask of oil does 1d6 fire damage per pint. If that isn't a big enough flame, you can fabricate 10 cubic feat of explosive packs instead.


The Schema

Human Spellthief
I WILL BLIND YOU WITH SCIENCE
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

1st|Spellthief 1|
+0|
+0|
+0|
+2|Craft SCIENCE* 4, Profession Siege Engineer 2, Hide 4, Move Silently 4, Spellcraft 4, UMD 4, K. Arcana 4, Bluff 4, Spot 4|Two Weapon Fighting, Craven|Sneak Attack 1d6, Steal Spell 1, Trapfinding

2nd|Spellthief 2|
+1|
+0|
+0|
+3|Craft SCIENCE* 5, Profession Siege Engineer 2.5, Hide 5, Move Silently 5, Spellcraft 5, UMD 5, K. Arcana 5, Bluff 5, Spot 5||Detect Magic, Spellgrace +1, Steal Spell Effect

3rd|Spellthief 3|
+2|
+1|
+1|
+3|Craft SCIENCE* 6, Profession Siege Engineer 3, Hide 6, Move Silently 6, Spellcraft 6, UMD 6, K. Arcana 6, Bluff 6, Spot 6|Quick Draw|Steal Energy Resistance 10

4th|Spellthief 4|
+3|
+1|
+1|
+4|Craft SCIENCE* 7, Profession Siege Engineer 3.5, Hide 7, Move Silently 7, Spellcraft 7, UMD 7, K. Arcana 7, Bluff 7, Spot 7||Steal Spell 2

5th|Spellthief 5|
+3|
+1|
+1|
+4|Craft SCIENCE* 8, Profession Siege Engineer 4, Hide 8, Move Silently 8, Spellcraft 8, UMD 8, K. Arcana 8, Bluff 8, Spot 8||Sneak Attack 2d6, Steal Spell Like Ability

6th|Spellthief 6|
+4|
+2|
+2|
+5|Craft SCIENCE* 9, Profession Siege Engineer 4.5, Hide 9, Move Silently 9, Spellcraft 9, UMD 9, K. Arcana 9, Bluff 9, Spot 9|Least Dragonmark: Making: Make Whole|Steal Spell 3

7th|Spellthief 7|
+5|
+2|
+2|
+5|Craft SCIENCE* 10, Profession Siege Engineer 5, Hide 10, Move Silently 10, Spellcraft 10, UMD 10, K. Arcana 10, Bluff 10, Spot 10||Absorb Spell

8th|Spellthief 8|
+6|
+2|
+2|
+6|Craft SCIENCE* 11, Profession Siege Engineer 5.5, Hide 11, Move Silently 11, Spellcraft 11, UMD 11, K. Arcana 11, Bluff 11, Spot 11||Steal Spell 4

9th|Spellthief 9|
+6|
+3|
+3|
+6|Craft SCIENCE* 12, Profession Siege Engineer 6, Hide 12, Move Silently 12, Spellcraft 12, UMD 12, K. Arcana 12, Bluff 12, Spot 12|Improved Two Weapon Fighting|Arcane Sight, Sneak Attack 3d6

10th|Spellthief 10|
+7|
+3|
+3|
+7|Craft SCIENCE* 13, Profession Siege Engineer 6.5, Hide 13, Move Silently 13, Spellcraft 13, UMD 13, K. Arcana 13, Bluff 13, Spot 13||Steal Spell 5

11th|Spellthief 11|
+8|
+3|
+3|
+7|Craft SCIENCE* 14, Profession Siege Engineer 7, Hide 14, Move Silently 14, Spellcraft 14, UMD 14, K. Arcana 14, Bluff 4, Spot 14||Spellgrace +2, Steal Energy Resistance 20

12th|Spellthief 12|
+9|
+4|
+4|
+8|Craft SCIENCE* 15, Profession Siege Engineer 7.5, Hide 15, Move Silently 15, Spellcraft 15, UMD 15, K. Arcana 15, Bluff 15, Spot 15|Lesser Dragonmark: Making: Minor Creation|Steal Spell 6

13th|Spellthief 13|
+9|
+4|
+4|
+8|Craft SCIENCE* 16, Profession Siege Engineer 8, Hide 16, Move Silently 16, Spellcraft 16, UMD 16, K. Arcana 16, Bluff 16, Spot 16||Discover Spells, Sneak Attack 4d6

14th|Spelltheif 14|
+10|
+4|
+4|
+9|Craft SCIENCE* 17, Profession Siege Engineer 8.5, Hide 17, Move Silently 17, Spellcraft 17, UMD 17, K. Arcana 17, Bluff 17, Spot 17||Steal Spell 7

15th|Spellthief 15|
+11|
+5|
+5|
+9|Craft SCIENCE* 18, Profession Siege Engineer 9, Hide 18, Move Silently 18, Spellcraft 18, UMD 18, K. Arcana 18, Bluff 18, Spot 18|Greater Two Weapon Fighting|Steal Spell Resistance

16th|Spellthief 16|
+12|
+5|
+5|
+10|Craft SCIENCE* 19, Profession Siege Engineer 9.5, Hide 19, Move Silently 19, Spellcraft 19, UMD 19, K. Arcana 19, Bluff 19, Spot 19||Steal Spell 8

17th|Spellthief 17|
+12|
+5|
+5|
+10|Craft SCIENCE* 20, Profession Siege Engineer 10, Hide 20, Move Silently 20, Spellcraft 20, UMD 20, K. Arcana 20, Bluff 20, Spot 20||Sneak Attack 5d6

18th|Spellthief 18|
+13|
+6|
+6|
+11|Craft SCIENCE* 21, Profession Siege Engineer 10.5, Hide 21, Move Silently 21, Spellcraft 21, UMD 21, K. Arcana 21, Bluff 21, Spot 21|Greater Dragonmark: Making: Fabricate|Steal Spell 9

19th|Spellthief 19|
+14|
+6|
+6|
+11|Craft SCIENCE* 22, Profession Siege Engineer 11, Hide 22, Move Silently 22, Spellcraft 22, UMD 22, K. Arcana 22, Bluff 4, Spot 22||Steal Energy Resistance 30

20th|Spellthief 20|
+15|
+6|
+6|
+12|Craft SCIENCE* 23, Profession Siege Engineer 11.5, Hide 23, Move Silently 23, Spellcraft 23, UMD 23, K. Arcana 23, Bluff 23, Spot 23||Absorb Spell (Immediate Spellcasting) Spellgrace +3[/table]


Sources and Equipment

Alchemist Fire
Oil
Alchemist Frost (Eberron Campaign Setting p. 120)
Alchemist Spark (Eberron Campaign Setting p. 120)
Acidic Fire (Eberron Campaign Setting p. 120
Explosive Pack (Secrets of Sarlonna p. 138
Spellthief (Complete Adventurerer p. 13
Craven (Champions of Ruin p. 17

Making alchemical items:
There are two main methods of mass producing alchemical items. Eternal Wands of the Unseen Crafter give you two castings of Unseen Crafter per day. Each Unseen Crafter gives you a weeks worth of crafting. A single eternal wand gives you 14 weeks of crafting time in a single week. Additional Eternal Wands improves this by 14 weeks each. Once you get to 15th level you can steal the fabricate spell like ability. If you got permission first that might cost you 500 gp each time. You can then use the spell like ability with a skyforge to multiply the result by 10. Which means either 10 cubic feet of alchemical items crafted per casting, or 100 cubic feet of alchemical items per casting depending on composition. Once you reach level 18 you can do this on your own without outside help.
Skyforge (Eberron Campaign Setting p. 253
Unseen Crafter (Races of Eberron p. 191
Eternal Wand (Magic Item Compendium p. 139

Other potentially useful things:
Spare Hand (MIC 137 (Lets you temporarily hold wands and such in your third hand while you use your main hands for other things, switching is free action)
Wand of Golem Strike (Spell Compendium 106
Wand of Grave Strike (Spell Compendium 107
Wand of Vine Strike (Spell Compendium 230
Wand of Sniper's Shot (Spell Compendium 194


* Craft SCIENCE = Craft Alchemy

Horm of the Blades
Horm of the Blades

I could always feel it inside of me... the power of a pitspawned wyrm, just waiting to be unleashed.
-Horm of the Blades, the Year of Rogue Dragons (1373 DR)

Horm began life as the outsider in his enclave. Raised in one of the few secret enclaves of the illumian people, he lived a sheltered life. Rubbed raw by the restraints of the lawful enclave, he began rebelling whatever fashion he could. He soon found that in addition for a talent for mundane thievery, he could somehow steal the arcane power of others.

The elders, horrified at his new and strange powers, excised the location of his enclave, stripped him of his name, and cast him out.

Alone and adrift in a strange new world, he eventually gravitated towards a nearby city. Little did he know that there where agents of the great fiendish wyrm Heptrophaseus in the city. Seeing the arcane sigils flying around his head, they kidnapped him and brought him to their master. The fang dragon saw him, and felt a distant connection. He was apparently the ancestor of one of the original illumians, and his bloodline had been mingled in with the entire population. He taught the young humanoid to harness the power of his blood, and even helped him establish his power through a blood pact.

Years came to pass, and Horm, now a mighty sorcerer, outgrew the confines of his winged ancestor’s abode. He joined an elite group of spellcasting rogue-spys, and, using his connections to his draconic forbearer, quickly rose in the ranks.

He eventually returned to Heptrophaseus, flush with power. The old wyrm taught him the secrets of dragonpacts, how to twist the arcane energy to his will and fool lesser dragons into an unfair exchange of energy. As a final gift, he gave Horm the location of the enclave that had banished him so many years ago.

Filled with a lust for vengeance that cannot be described in mere words, he took off not seven heartbeats after the location was revealed. He flew long into the night, but it was worth it. As dawn broke across the smooth marble walls of the enclave, Horm found it fitting to break globules of acid across the walls as well, leaving deep, pitted scars in the once pristine marble. As the defenders reacted to the horrified screams, they arrived and recognized him as the one that they’d banished so long ago.

As they plead for mercy, something inside of horm seemed to snap. His eyes, once reptilian from the blood pact, became a pure silver-grey as he smiled.

“Mercy? You wish for mercy? There is only one kind of mercy that a lord dragon shows his inferiors. That of a clean death.”

With not a word of warning, a bright streamer of rainbow colours came from his hand and plowed through the guards, killing most but making some vanish into thin air and others left alive to babble incoherently.

Horm smiled as he looked upon the devastation wrought by his spell. With a flick of his wrists, he summoned a pair of glowing green orbs to his hands.

“Do not think that I’ve forgotten everything that I went through growing up in this golden prison. If there’s one thing that a dragon always does, it is this; a dragon always repays his debts.

His feral smile only grew wider once the screaming rose anew.


Build Information

{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

1st|Spellthief 1|
+0|
+0|
+0|
+2|Concentration 4, Disable Device 2, Hide 4, Knowledge (Arcana) 4, Search 4, Sense Motive 2, Spellcraft 4, Spot 4, Tumble 4, UMD 4|Able Learner|Trapfinding, Steal spell (0 or 1st), SA +1d6

2nd|Sorceror 1|
+0|
+0|
+0|
+4|Concentration 5, Hide 5, Search 5, Spot 5, UMD 5||Metamagic Specialist

3rd|Sorceror 2|
+1|
+1|
+1|
+5|Concentration 6, Hide 6, Search 6, Sense Motive 3, Spot 6| Draconic Heritage (Fang)|Charisma +1

4th|Sorceror 3|
+1|
+1|
+1|
+5|Concentration 7, Hide 7, Search 7, Spot 7, UMD 6| |

5th|Sorceror 4|
+2|
+1|
+1|
+6|Concentration 8, Hide 8, Search 8, Sense Motive 4, Spot 8| |

6th|Unseen Seer 1|
+2|
+1|
+1|
+8|Concentration 9, Disable Device 3, Knowledge (Arcana) 5, Spellcraft 5, Spot 9, Tumble 5, UMD 7|Acidic Splatter|Damage bonus +1d6 (SA +2d6)

7th|Unseen Seer 2|
+3|
+1|
+1|
+9|Concentration 10, Disable Device 4, Knowledge (Arcana) 6, Spellcraft 6, Spot 10, Tumble 6, UMD 8|Silent Spell (B) |Advanced Learning (Find Traps)

8th| Unseen Seer 3|
+4|
+2|
+2|
+9|Concentration 11, Disable Device 5, Knowledge (Arcana) 7, Spellcraft 7, Spot 11, Tumble 7, UMD 9| |Divination Spellpower +1, Charisma +1

9th| Unseen Seer 4|
+5|
+2|
+2|
+10|Concentration 12, Disable Device 7, Knowledge (Arcana) 8, Spellcraft 8, Tumble 7, UMD 10|Master Spellthief|Damage bonus +2d6, Steal Spell (0-4th)

10th| Unseen Seer 5|
+5|
+2|
+2|
+10|Concentration 13, Disable Device 9, Knowledge (Arcana) 9, Spellcraft 9, Tumble 8, UMD 11||Advanced Learning (Hunter’s Eye), Guarded Mind

11th|Pact-Bound Adept 1|
+5|
+2|
+4|
+12|Concentration 14, Knowledge (Arcana) 10, Spellcraft 10, Tumble 9, UMD 12||Improved pact +1

12th|Pact-Bound Adept 2|
+6|
+2|
+5|
+13|Concentration 15, Knowledge (Arcana) 11, Spellcraft 11, Tumble 10, UMD 13|Practiced Spellcaster (Spellthief)|Dragoncast 3/day, Steal Spell (0-5th), Charisma +1

13th|Pact –Bound Adept 3|
+6|
+3|
+5|
+13|Concentration 16, Knowledge (Arcana) 12, Spellcraft 12, Tumble 11, UMD 14|Eschew Materials (B)|

14th|Pact-Bound Adept 4|
+7|
+3|
+6|
+14|Concentration 17, Knowledge (Arcana) 13, Spellcraft 13, Tumble 12, UMD 15| |Improved pact +2

15th|Pact-Bound Adept 5|
+7|
+3|
+6|
+14|Concentration 18, Knowledge (Arcana) 14, Spellcraft 14, UMD 16|Empower Spell|Bonus dragonpact, Steal Spell (0-6th)

16th| Unseen Seer 6|
+8|
+4|
+7|
+15|Concentration 19, Disable Device 10, Knowledge (Arcana) 16, Spellcraft 15, UMD 18||Divination Spellpower +2, Charisma +1

17th| Unseen Seer 7|
+9|
+4|
+7|
+15|Concentration 20, Disable Device 11, Knowledge (Arcana) 18, Spellcraft 16, UMD 20||Damage bonus +3d6, Steal Spell (0-7th)

18th| Unseen Seer 8|
+10|
+4|
+7|
+16|Concentration 21, Disable Device 12, Knowledge (Arcana 20), Spellcraft 18, UMD 21|Arcane Thesis (Wings of Flurry)|Advanced Learning (Greater Scrying)

19th| Unseen Seer 9|
+10|
+5|
+8|
+16|Concentration 22, Disable Device 13, Knowledge (Arcana) 22, Spellcraft 20, UMD 22||Divination Spellpower +3, Steal Spell (0-8th)

20th| Unseen Seer 10|
+11|
+5|
+8|
+17|Concentration 23, Disable Device 15, Knowledge (Arcana) 23, Spellcraft 23, UMD 23||Damage bonus +4d6, Charisma +1[/table]
Spells per day

Spells per day
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th

1st|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

2nd|5|4|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

3rd|6|5|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

4th|6|6|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

5th|6|7|3*|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

6th|6|7|4*|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

7th|6|7|6|3*|-|-|-|-|-|-

8th|6|7|7|4*|-|-|-|-|-|-

9th|6|7|7|6|3*|-|-|-|-|-

10th|6|7|7|7|4*|-|-|-|-|-

11th|6|7|7|7|4*|-|-|-|-|-

12th|6|7|7|7|6|2*|-|-|-|-

13th|6|7|7|7|7|3*|-|-|-|-

14th|6|7|7|7|7|3*|-|-|-|-

15th|6|7|7|7|7|4*|2*|-|-|-

16th|6|7|7|7|7|5*|3*|-|-|-

17th|6|7|7|7|7|5*|5|2*|-|-

18th|6|7|7|7|7|5*|6|3*|-|-

19th|6|7|7|7|7|5*|6|4*|3|-

20th|6|8|7|7|7|6*|6|5*|4|-[/table]
*Beginning at 5th level, Horm gives up one of his spell slots per day (and a certain measure of gold) to enter into a dragonpact (DrM, page 87), specifically, the Master of Magical Defense pact. He is able to ‘upgrade’ his sacrificed spell slot as he advances level by paying additional gold to make up the difference between the new sacrificed spell level and the previous. Once he hits 15th level (Pact-Bound Adept 5), he is able to enter into a second dragonpact. Horm sacrifices a 5th level slot for the Elusive Discipline of Dusk pact. Due to his Pact-Bound Adept class feature, he gets the benefits for sacrificing a spell slot 2 levels above the actual sacrificed slot (for effective sacrificed slots of 9th and 7th level).

Spells Known

0- Acid splash, arcane mark, detect magic, light, mage hand, mending, message, prestidigitation, read magic
1- Guided shot, lesser orb of acid, persistent blade, protection from evil, sniper’s shot
2- Find traps, glitterdust, hunter’s eye, mirror image, rope trick, spider climb, wings of cover
3- Fly (replaced with greater magic weapon once overland flight is learned), haste, major image, unluck
4- Black tentacles, dimension door, greater invisibility, wings of flurry
5- Baleful polymorph, hold monster, overland flight, wall of force
6- Acid fog, greater dispel magic, greater scrying, true seeing
7- Forcecage, prismatic ray, reverse gravity
8- Mind blank, superior invisibility
Thanks to Advanced Learning, XXX knows three additional divination spells over their normal limit of spells known, these spells are find traps (2), hunter’s eye (2) and greater scrying (6).


General Information

Horm Greensneak, LE male illumian (vaulkrau)
Spellthief 1/Sorceror 4/Unseen Seer 10/Pact-Bound Adept 5

Starting abilities;
STR 8, DEX 14, CON 14, INT 16, WIS 8, CHA 16, all level-up points into CHA


Gameplay and how Horm imitates a Warlock

Early levels, you’re basically an LA’d sorcerer – you’re a level behind normal sorcerers, so a full two levels behind the wizards. However, you’ve likely got a lot more skill points than a wizard, in addition to a respectable UMD score. Once he hits 6th level, however, he starts to really resemble a warlock. With the Acidic Splatter [reserve] feat, he gets an at-will, acid damage ranged touch attack (albeit for a mere 1d6) that doesn’t offer a save, nor SR. Sound familiar yet? He also picks up a dragonpact, giving him some SLAs to complement his spells that function much like a warlock’s invocations, albeit not at will (though usually more powerful).

By 12th level, his path has become clear. With (the veritable gouda known as) Master Spellthief in addition to his vaulkrau illumian sigils, his effective sorcerer caster level is 16 for divinations and 14 for everything else at ECL 12. A minor side effect is, of course, the ability to cast spells in light armor, as well as Steal Spell advancement. He’s also picked up Find traps and the all-important Hunter’s eye from his advanced learning feature, giving him a sweet SA total of +8d6 for usage with his Acidic Splatter feat, dealing 9d6 no save/SR acid damage. He makes sure that he gets the SA with the spells Persistent blade and Greater invisibility. He’s also long since picked up Wings of Flurry, giving him a nice 14d6 force AoE.

It’s when he hits high levels that he really hits his stride. At 18th level, he can use a 5th level spell slot (with Arcane Thesis) to empower a Wings of flurry spell for 36d6 force AoE. In addition, he’s picked up Acid fog, the highest level spell with an [acid] tag to enable his acidic splatter attack to deal 6d6 base damage, or 18d6 acid with full sneak attack damage.

His spell selection through the levels has tried to emulate the Warlock invocations list. He’s picked up spider climb, baleful polymorph, black tentacles, fly/overland flight and major/mirror images, while other spells merely evoke the flavour of Warlock (like unluck, hold monster and dimension door. He’s also got full ranks in UMD, for a total bonus of +28, nearly guaranteeing a success. And although he is technically not fiend- or fey-touched, as mentioned in his fluff, his ancient draconic ancestor is a fiendish fang dragon. He’s got a huge pool of SLAs and spells, which, along with his [reserve] feat, lets him spam his abilities pretty much all day.


Sources

Player’s Handbook
Player’s Handbook 2
Races of the Dragon
Complete Mage
Complete Adventurer
Dragon Magic
Races of Destiny
Spell Compendium

Bat country


Strongheart Halfling Totemist 15 / Incarnate 3 / Combat Wizard 1 / Druid 1
starting attributes:
Str 6, Dex 18, Con 18, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 10

Background

Sung to the tune of "Girlfriend in a Coma", with apologies to The Smiths:
Halfling on a dire bat, I know
I know - it's frivolous
Halfling on a dire bat, I know
I know - it's really frivolous

Or maybe we could go with "God's Country", with apologies to Ani DiFranco:
Inevitable thinks I fly to fast
plane shifted here to tell me so
I say out here on the Playground
too many dips is still a build that flows
I miss new gaming books I miss mud dice
let's start over
I want to reshape my melds
I guess I just forgot
that this is kiss and tell

Guess I'm stuck here on the Material
Plane with a horde of bats
I mean, I have telepathy
so I have the last laugh
this may be Bat Country
but this is my country too
move over Mr. Spellcaster
and let the meldshaper through


Build


progression

Bat Country
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Eldritch Blast|Feats|Class Features
1st|Incarnate 1|
+0|
+2|
+0|
+2|2d6|Dragontouched, Expanded Soulmeld Capacity|Detect Law
2nd|Totemist 1|
+0|
+4|
+2|
+2|3d6|-|-
3rd|Combat Wizard 1|
+0|
+4|
+2|
+4|3d6 * 2|Share Soulmeld, Martial Study (Steely Strike; bonus)|familiar (bat)
4th|Totemist 2|
+1|
+5|
+3|
+4|3d6 * 2|-|Totem chakra bind (+1 capacity)
5th|Totemist 3|
+2|
+5|
+3|
+5|3d6 * 2|-|-
6th|Druid 1|
+2|
+7|
+3|
+7|4d6 * 3|Natural Bond|animal companion (dire bat)
7th|Totemist 4|
+3|
+8|
+4|
+7|4d6 * 3|-|-
8th|Totemist 5|
+3|
+8|
+4|
+7|4d6 * 3|-|chakra binds (Crown, Feet, Hands)
9th|Totemist 6|
+4|
+9|
+5|
+8|4d6 * 3|Mindsight|-
10th|Totemist 7|
+5|
+9|
+5|
+8|4d6 * 3|-|-
11th|Totemist 8|
+6|
+10|
+6|
+8|4d6 * 3|-|-
12th|Totemist 9|
+6|
+10|
+6|
+9|5d6 * 3|Double Chakra (Crown)|chakra bind (arms, brow, shoulders)
13th|Incarnate 2|
+7|
+11|
+6|
+10|5d6 * 3|-|chakra bind (Crown)
14th|Incarnate 3|
+7|
+11|
+7|
+10|6d6 * 3|-|expanded soulmeld capacity (+1)
15th|Totemist 10|
+8|
+12|
+8|
+10|6d6 * 3|Double Chakra (Throat)|-
16th|Totemist 11|
+9|
+12|
+8|
+10|6d6 * 3|-|-
17th|Totemist 12|
+10|
+13|
+9|
+11|6d6 * 3|-|-
18th|Totemist 13|
+10|
+13|
+9|
+11|7d6 * 3 * 2|Open Chakra (Throat)|-
19th|Totemist 14|
+11|
+14|
+10|
+11|7d6 * 3 * 2|-|chakra binds (Throat, Waist)
20th|Totemist 15|
+12|
+14|
+10|
+12|7d6 * 3 * 2|-|Totem chakra bind (+2 capacity)
[/table]


meldshaping progression

{table]level|soulmelds|essentia|chakra binds
1st|2|1|0
2nd|4|2|0
3rd|4|2|0
4th|5|3|1
5th|5|3|1
6th|5|3|1
7th|6|4|1
8th|6|4|1
9th|6|5|2
10th|7|6|2
11th|7|6|2
12th|7|7|2
13th|8|8|3
14th|8|9|3
15th|9|10|4
16th|9|11|4
17th|9|12|4
18th|10|13|4
19th|10|14|5
20th|10|15|5
[/table]

default soulmelds
{table]slot|soulmeld|bind?|class|info
arms|Kraken Mantle|no|Totemist|swim speed
brow|Disenchanter Mask|no|Totemist|Detect Magic
crown|Frost Helm|yes|Totemist|energy resistance (cold); Will or stun
crown|Shedu Crown|yes|Totemist|telepathy
feet|Acrobat Boots|no|Incarnate|boost Balance, Escape Artist, Jump, and Tumble
hands|-|-|-|-
heart|Dragon Mantle|no|Totemist|energy resistance
shoulders|Shadow Mantle|yes|Totemist|blindsight in a globe of darkness
soul|Incarnate Avatar|no|Incarnate|bonus to ranged attacks
throat|Dissolving Spittle|yes|Incarnate|"Eldritch Blast"
throat|Winter Mask|yes|Totemist|"Eldritch Cone"
waist|-|-|-|-
[/table]


feats

* Double Chakra (Crown): allows two soulmelds to occupy this chakra simultaneously
* Double Chakra (Throat): allows two soulmelds to occupy this chakra simultaneously
* Dragontouched: to qualify for the Dragon Mantle soulmeld
* Expanded Capacity: one soulmeld can be invested with an additional essentia
* Mindsight: blindsense via telepathy
* Natural Bond: better animal companion
* Open Chakra (Throat), applied to the Incarnate class
* Share Soulmeld: like Share Spells for soulmelds


notable items

* Adamantine Skin warforged graft. Three more warforged grafts of your choice will yield a total DR/adamantine 5.
* Incarnum Focus items: gain the ability to invest one additional essentia in the given slot. This raises the Dissolving Spittle damage to 8d6, times three for an animal companion and a familiar, times two for repeating next round from the chakra bind (168 average damage/round). Incarnum Focus items have the special property of being compatible with occupying a single slot with both a magic item and a bound soulmeld. A generous DM might let you improve on the items, but for the most part learn to enjoy paying extra for slotless items. This allocation only occupies the head, shoulders, and throat magic item slots, but buying necessary items restricts your versatility if you want to bind to a different chakra tomorrow.
* Constitution booster. Everyone needs one, but Constitution governs save DCs and caps total soulmelds shaped. The build presented requires a +2 item at or before level 15.
* Horizon Goggles: spittle things 45' away instead of 30'.
* Soulstone: free brow bind. In the example soulmeld selection, this allows the Detect Magic effect of the Disenchanter Mask to start at round three. Shaping other soulmelds would allow darkvision, See Invisibility, or Mindlink (as the psionic power).
* Iron Heart Vest: Iron Heart Surge
* Buy a mule for those early levels - a Strength of six is pretty painful until you can sling a haversack on a dire bat.


notes

* Stats are 32 point buy, including racial adjustment for a Strongheart Halfling. Strongheart Halfling appears in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting; the book is 3.0, but the race is specifically referenced by 3.5 material and to the best of my knowledge was never updated. Think "human small enough to ride a dire bat". Sadly, none of the incarnum races are Small (well, Duskling has no listed size, but they are described as "about 5 feet tall", so presumably they are Medium creatures).
* Several ambiguities with the incarnum system bear brief discussion. I have interpreted the Share Soulmeld feat to work as much like the share spells ability as possible. This means that much like you cannot use a single casting of the Heroics spell to give yourself Improved Initiative while your familiar gets Combat Reflexes, essentia investment must be identical for the character and the familiar - a single soulmeld manifested at two loci. Both get the same armor bonus from the Ankheg Breastplate and both do the same damage with Dissolving Spittle, including the repeated damage for the chakra bind. I can see a reasonable DM ruling that binds or essentia investment are not shared by means of the feat, or contrariwise that the familiar must allocate their own essentia (limiting the usefulness of sharing with an animal companion). The latter interpretation I think does not match RAI, and the former interpretation feels like a nerf for no purpose.
* The Shape Soulmeld feat is not used in this particular build, partly because as I interpret it the feat does not allow class features to be applied to the selected soulmeld (for instance, the maximum investment would not be increased by the Incarnate's expanded capacity class feature). In any case, total number of melds is limited by Constitution and this build is already quite short on slots.
* This build assumes that the Open Chakra feats give the ability to bind a soulmeld to a chakra in the same sense that a driver's license gives the ability to drive: i.e. it makes it legal but it does not provide the class feature or the automobile. Additional binds, unlike additional soulmelds, would be very useful. Chakra availability is segregated by class; this build opens the Throat chakra for the Totemist using levels but for the Incarnate using a feat.
* The Blink Shirt soulmeld allows a short range self-only Dimension Door effect. Strictly speaking, teleporting around like a dragonrider of Pern is not supported by the rules, but I would allow it if both rider and bat spend the standard action.
* I have omitted the traditional column for skills, as they are completely irrelevant to the build except one rank to unlock UMD and enough Handle Animal to get through the day (it is a Totemist class skill). Pick some face skills and some stealth skills and choose melds to enhance whatever role the party needs.
* I have also omitted for the sake of brevity (read: laziness) class features not relevant to the secret ingredient. Rapid Meldshaping, for instance, is great fun, but the poor Warlock gets no comparable ability to change invocations in the middle of the day.
* Feats exist for extending the range of the Share Spells ability for both familiars and animal companions. It would be not unreasonable to see if your DM likes the idea of a similar feat for Share Soulmeld.
* Mindsight is on page 126 of Lords of Madness, separate from most of the feats in the book. I am using the telepathy granted by the Shedu Crown to qualify. I believe that the use is legitimate, but I would certainly point out both before springing it on a DM.
* The build's BAB is pretty terrible at the outset, precisely when touch attacks are the most difficult. The Expanded Soulmeld Capacity feat can be assigned daily. It might be worthwhile to assign it to the Incarnate Avatar in the early levels for a higher chance of dealing 1d6 less damage.
* Steely Strike is selected as a bonus feat pretty much purely to qualify for buying a vest of Iron Heart Surge later. This is inelegant, but the Scribe Scroll and a crafting feat traded away by the ACF were not doing anything for the build anyway. If PHB II retraining rules are in effect, try to select something useful.
* Halfling Totemist substitution levels are presented in Magic of Incarnum. They are pretty decent, but irrelevant here.
* This build assumes that the multiclass XP penalty is not in effect.
* Sadly, Werebat has too much level adjustment and too many racial hit dice to really work with the rest of the build.


sources

* Complete Adventurer: Natural Bond (feat)
* Complete Mage: Horizon Goggles (item)
* Dragon Magic: Dragon Mantle (soulmeld); Dragontouched (feat)
* Faiths of Eberron: warforged grafts
* Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting: Strongheart Halfling (race)
* Lords of Madness: Mindsight (feat)
* Magic Item Compendium: Incarnum Focus items; Soulstone
* Magic of Incarnum: Double Chakra (feat); Expanded Soulmeld Capacity (feat); Incarnate (class); Open Chakra (feat); Share Soulmeld (feat); Totemist (class); all listed soulmelds except Dragon Mantle
* Monster Manual I: Bat; Dire Bat; Riding Dog
* Player's Handbook: Druid (class); Wizard (class)
* Tome of Battle: Iron Heart Vest (item); Martial Study (feat); Steely Strike (maneuver)
* Unearthed Arcana: Combat Wizard (variant class)



Benchmarks


6th level

Sixth level is possibly the most fun for this build. A second bat shows up, and this one can be ridden. Damage output doubles (+1d6 from the improved capacity available with leveling, *1.5 from adding a third source) - an average of 42 points if three touch attacks hit. That is pretty decent damage for the level (a sight better than the Warlock's 3d6 for sure), acid resistance is uncommon, spell resistance is almost unheard of, and flying is still a big deal rather than a requirement. The Frost Helm gives a DC 17 area effect stun (for Bat Country; the save is Constitution based and lower for the bat horde). You have a total of six soulmelds, four from Totemist and two from Incarnate - half again what a single classed meldshaper gets. Saves are already pulling away from the natural Warlock, but several melds will boost them higher if you like. The skill boosting melds are giving between +6 and +12, so you can excel in whatever secondary role you choose. Essentia is in short supply, but the tension between maxing out one big gun vs. shoring up several weaknesses is an intentional design feature of the system; superior mobility and clever use of re-allocation of essentia as a Swift action help alleviate the crunch.


12th level

The second chakra bind finally comes online at level 9 (the incarnum system strongly discourages dipping), and at level twelve we finally qualify for the Double Chakra feat (meldshaper level 9). The answer to the question "do you want to stun things or see them" is yes. Flying around zapping things still works wonders, and now it can be done from within a globe of (semi) impenetrable darkness. The Shadow Mantle also trades sight for sonar, making this meld superbly thematic for both bats and Warlocks. If acid resistance is a problem, the Yrthak Mask deals sonic as an alternative "eldritch blast". The pile of d6 damage dice is as large as a level 20 Hellfire Warlock, though less binary. Wealth by level is high enough to afford at least one Incarnum Focus item, though as always some care is necessary in allocating essentia. Soul Boon is on the Wizard list, but as it carries the [Incarnum] tag I think it is not actually on BC's list of spells available without a UMD check; having two companions alleviates the action cost of carrying a wand for an extra few points of essentia just in case. The Open Least Chakra spell is a regular Wizard 4 spell, though.


20th level

The lack of 9th level spells is a bit limiting, but not really more so here than for the natural Warlock. BC now always has the option of dishing out a satisfying handful of d6s of acid or cold damage (or both), can always see non-mindless foes from 100' away (depending on how telepathy interacts with immunity to mind-affecting), and generally has options for most expected encounters. Much of the gold saved by not buying a magic weapon will need to be invested in keeping the Dire Bat flying; The Spellward Shirt soulmeld gives a relevant spell resistance to help with survivability, but then we are running into the unsinkable Monk problem (being difficult to hurt does not by itself overcome encounters). Flying at this level is less an advantage than a requirement, and energy resistance 30 and high spell resistance have a good chance of shutting out his damage potential. Bat Country would probably still be fun to play in a party of martial adepts, factotums, and warlocks, but it is hard to see a solid niche at this level if a real wizard or druid is involved.



Use of secret ingredient

d6 HD: Incarnate shares this. Wizard is down a step, and Druid and Totemist are up a step; Bat Country averages fifteen more hit points than a natural Warlock. With save DCs being Constitution based, BC has more reason than most to pump the stat.

3/4 BAB: Totemist is a 3/4 BAB class, though all the dipping brings the build down to +12. Iterative attacks are irrelevant, and the Incarnate Avatar (Chaos) soulmeld gives up to +5 to ranged attacks.

good Will save: +12 at level 20, check. The other two saves are too high from spending 19/20 levels in classes with two good saves. Oh well.

Eldritch Blast: Dissolving Spittle shared with a familiar and an animal companion for 8d6 x 3 x 2 acid damage as a ranged touch attack (times three for three sources, times two for repeating next round; includes an Incarnum Focus item). Damage outstrips the natural Warlock at every level, though the range is only 45' (with Horizon Goggles). If you want to focus on this aspect alone, the Beastmaster PrC in Complete Adventurer gains four additional bats per the Druid class feature; presumably this is good enough for Share Soulmeld. This route decreases each shot by 1d6 but gives 7d6 * 7 * 2 damage per round - just shy of 350 damage against a foe with a low touch AC and no acid resistance. Sadly, psicrystals and symbionts are not good enough for the feat without houseruling.

Detect Magic at will: Disenchanter Mask; the Totem chakra bind would allow a targeted Dispel Magic similar to the Warlock invocation, but is not selected in the example build.

DR 5/cold iron: Adamantine Skin + three other warforged grafts of your choice gives DR 5/adamantine. This is slightly weaker than damage reduction overcome by cold iron and comes online significantly later. A few soulmelds give DR/magic (most notably the Astral Vambraces, available online), but there is still a hole where pretty much everything has magic strike but the graft is too expensive.

UMD skill mastery: Bat Country can provide spell trigger activation services for two lists right out of the box. For Cleric, Bard, and suchlike spells, the Mage's Spectacles or Elder Spirit soulmelds can give a hefty enough bonus to beat out taking ten (just remember to take a cross-class rank to unlock the skill).

fast healing: shaping Lifebond Vestments and binding Phoenix Belt gives free out of combat healing to the whole party as long as fire is available (and all good adventurers love setting things on fire). Neither is shaped in the example lay out above. The Vitality Belt soulmeld can give a pure Incarnate 120 bonus hit points as a Swift action, but is less useful here.

energy resistance 10 vs. two energy types: Dragon Mantle gives four.

Imbue Item: Bat Country can easily be the go to halfling for UMD, but really I have nothing for this.

invocations:
The Warlock gets twelve options, three of each type of invocation, chosen while leveling. Bat Country gets 10-15ish options (not all chakras are open and the powers come in chunks of bind+shape rather than being individually selectable). Especially with the weaker invocations, there are a number of soulmelds or tricks that replicate the functionality of various invocations. Soulmelds can be chosen daily, so there is never any risk of wishing you had chosen something else at a lower level. Indeed, it is necessary to vary the options selected so that low level abilities come into play in a timely fashion. With the more powerful invocations, the options drop and the degree of correspondence between this build and the model drops. Other configurations are possible for replicating other Warlocks.

3 least

* Devil's Sight: Shadow Mantle comes with its own darkness to boot.
* Leaps and Bounds: Acrobat Boots give up to +14 Balance, Escape Artist, Jump, and Tumble checks.
* Swimming the Styx (CM): Kraken Mantle gives a swim speed. Water Breathing is available on the cheap with an Auran Mask (CM) or more permanently at higher levels. This is not worth a Totem bind.


3 lesser

* Eldritch Chain: BC's "Eldritch Blast" works a bit like this by default, but is in parallel instead of in series.
* Hellrime Blast: Winter Mask provides the option of cold damage.
* Ignore the Pyre (DrM): Dragon Mantle resists up to 18 points (21 with an Incarnum Focus item) of any non-sonic energy damage. Even better, this is special stacks-with-everything resistance, including the several soulmelds granting more specific energy resistance.


3 greater

* Bewitching Blast: Frost Helm gives an area stun effect (save DC is Constitution based), a similar but less randomly dangerous effect.
* Eldritch Cone: Winter Mask deals damage in a (small) cone.
* Vitriolic Blast: obviously. Unfortunately, Dissolving Spittle allows spell resistance; there is an incarnum feat that helps with this that a more realistic build would do well to select.


3 dark

* Binding Blast (CM): Frost Helm gives an area stun effect (save DC is Constitution based)
* Caster's Lament (CM): Iron Heart Surge (item based, qualifying via Martial Study) is a similarish effect, though it is self-only and does not allow counterspelling.
* Dark Foresight: Shedu Crown gives 100' of telepathy and Mindsight lets you see anything that is not mindless in this range. This covers a lot of the invocation, but the duplication is imperfect. Immunity to being bull rushed and a competence bonus vs. mind affecting effects come along for the ride.

motoko's ghost
2012-07-09, 12:07 AM
And here's a last-minute entry

Build: The Unrelenting Symphony
Race: Chaond
Alignment: CN
Attributes: Str 8 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 14 Wis 8 Cha 16
Class:
{table=head]Level|Class|BAB|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
1|Bard 1|+1|+0|+2|+2|Perform(Song) 4, Know (Arcana) 4, Listen 4, Balance 4, Tumble 4, Bluff 4, Spellcraft 4, Knowldge (Dungeoneering) 4|Skill Focus (Perform)|Inspire Awe, Countersong, Fascinate
2|Bard 2|+2|+0|+3|+3|Perform(Song) 5, Know (Arcana) 5, Listen 5, Balance 5, Tumble 5, Bluff 5, Spellcraft 5, Diplomacy 1||
3|Binder 1|+2|+2|+3|+5|Intimidate 4|Improved Binding|Bind Vestige
4|Bard 3|+3|+3|+3|+5|Perform(Song) 7, Know (Arcana) 7, Listen 7, Spellcraft 7||Inspire Competence +2
5|Bard 4|+4|+3|+4|+6|Perform (Song) 8, Know (Arcana) 8, Listen 8, Spellcraft 8, Bluff 8, Diplomacy 2||
6|Anima Mage 1|+4|+3|+4|+8|Perform (Song) 9, Listen 9|Extend Spell|
7|Anima Mage 2|+5|+3|+4|+9|Know (Arcana) 9, Listen 10||Exploit Vestige
8|Anima Mage 3|+5|+4|+5|+9|Perform (Song) 10, Listen 11||Vestigal Awareness
9|Anima Mage 4|+6|+4|+5|+10|Know (Arcana) 11, Listen 12|Persist Spell|
10|Anima Mage 5|+6|+4|+5|+10|Listen 13, Know (Arcana) 13||Vestige Metamagic 1/day
11|Sublime Chord 1|+6|+4|+5|+12|Perform (Song) 14, Listen 14, Know (Arcana) 14||Bardic Music, Bardic Lore
12|Anima Mage 6|+7|+5|+6|+13|Intimidate 5, Spellcraft 11|Ocular Spell|
13|Anima Mage 7|+7|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 15||Vestige Metamagic 2/day
14|Seeker of the Song 1|+7|+5|+6|+13|Perform (Song) 15, Listen 15, Know (Arcana) 15, Bluff 11||Rapture of the Song (+2 AC), Seeker Music
15|Seeker of the Song 2|+8|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 15, Bluff 15, Perform (Song) 17|Assume Supernatural Ability (Firre, Music)|Combine Songs
16|Seeker of the Song 3|+9|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 17, Bluff 17, Perform (Song) 19 ||
17|Seeker of the Song 4|+10|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 19, Bluff 20, Perform (Song) 20||Rapture of the Song (+2 saves)
18|Seeker of the Song 5|+10|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 21, Bluff 21, Perform (Song) 21, Listen 18|Minor Shapeshift|Subvocalize
19|Seeker of the Song 6|+11|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 22, Bluff 22, Perform (Song) 22, Listen 21||
20|Seeker of the Song 7|+12|+5|+6|+13|Spellcraft 23, Bluff 23, Perform (Song) 23, Listen 23, Know (Arcana) 16||Rapture of the Song (DR 2/-)[/table]
Alternate Class features: Inspire Awe (Dragon Magic)

Spellcasting and other abilities
Spells:
Spells per day/Spells Known
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th
1|2/4|-|-|-|-|-|-
2|3/5|0/2|-|-|-|-|-
3|3/5|0/2|-|-|-|-|-
4|3/6|1/3|-|-|-|-|-
5|3/6|2/3|0/2|-|-|-|-
6|3/6|3/4|1/3|-|-|-|-
7|3/6|3/4|2/3|-|-|-|-
8|3/6|3/4|2/4|0/2|-|-|-
9|3/6|3/4|3/4|1/3|-|-|-
10|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|-|-|-
11|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|2/3|1/1|-
12|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|2/4|2/2|-
13|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
14|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
15|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
16|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
17|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
18|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
19|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1
20|3/6|3/4|3/4|2/3|3/4|2/2|1/1[/table]

Binding:
{table=head]Level|Bound Vestiges|Vestige Level|Binder Level
1|-|-|-
2|-|-|-
3|1|2|1
4|1|2|1
5|1|2|1
6|1|2|2
7|1|3|3
8|1|3|4
9|1|4|5
10|1|4|6
11|1|4|6
12|1|4|7
13|2|5|8
14|2|5|8
15|2|5|8
16|2|5|8
17|2|5|8
18|2|5|8
19|2|5|8
20|2|5|8[/table]

Build Notes:
There are several aspects of the Warlock that stick out as 'essential' to me. These comprise the essential 'flavor' and 'mechanics' of the warlock.
The flavor behind the warlock is a man who is bargaining or calling on beings outside his own understanding for access supernatural abilities. The difference between a warlock and a spellcaster is that they are calling on external sources of power and as such can continually channel that power rather than running out of steam. What normally seperates a warlock from a binder is the essential nature of making a long term pact with those powers for powers that never change - the binder calls on weaker entities but has more options because of this.
This build evokes the mechanics of the warlock by using a spontaneous caster (who only knows a limited number of specific spells) combined with a binder (who can use their powers continuously) as the essential base. The build also goes a step farther, evoking those ideas again at the later stages with a power combo that I will explain later.
Another essential element of the Warlock is their need to be either chaotic or evil - something that the Anima mage (non-good) and the bard (non-lawful) similarly enforces.

The essential combo this build is based around is as follows:
Using Polymorph modified by the Ocular Spell metamagic, you get a 6th level spell that polymorphs at a range of up to 60' - which is a fixed range, unlike a touch spell. You can still use this on yourself by looking at your own hand and applying it. So you then use Vestige Metamagic to Persist the polymorph on yourself, getting an all-day polymorph into a Firre. With the Assume Supernatural Ability feat, you may now use the Firre's unlimited barid music uses along with the various Seeker of the Song effects. In essence, this gives you many of the same blasting, debuffing, and other odd power options that a warlock's invocations would give, and like a warlock you can use them all day long, at will.
This is of course on top of being able to bind 2 vestiges at the same time, each of which gives you 1 or more at-will abilities that you can use continuously as well (though the best ones are generally once every 5 rounds).
Finally, between having Bard 9/Sublime Chord 3 spellcasting, you basically have the equivalent spellcasting of a 20th level bard with the option of choosing wizard spells as well - not quite as many spells per day or known, but then again you also have a number of other at-will abilities to make up for it.
Generally this build is designed be able to use it's abilities continuously, or as all-day buffs (via persist and Vestige Metamagic) - so like a Warlock you've got that duality of eternal self buffs and unending blasts of power.


Sources:
Tome of Magic: Binder, Improved Binding, Anima Mage
Lords of Madness: Ocular Spell
Complete Arcane: Sublime Chord, Seeker of the Song
Complete Mage: Minor Shapeshift
Savage Species: Assume Supernatural Ability
Book of Exalted Deeds: Firre

mattie_p
2012-07-09, 06:11 AM
Awesome. I'm on my trip now, but I will review when I get a chance and post my scores in about a week. I look forward to all four entries, and good luck to all competitors. If you are curious about my judging criteria, please read on, it is basically unchanged from barbarian.


Judging criteria:

Generally, entries will start at 3 in each category, with bonuses and penalties assessed from that starting point. Please list the sources of all feats/classes used outside of the SRD, sometimes it takes me a while to find a particular item.

* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)

-> Is the build boring? What new tricks did you find or use? Does it look like the other entries? Are you unique in some way? Bonuses will be awarded for using races, classes, concepts, feats that others did not. Penalties will be assessed for "expected" tricks, slight penalties may be assessed if multiple entries use the same overall build. If it seems "vanilla" you will be assessed a penalty of some sort.

* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)

-> How strong is this character compared to a straight human warlock 20 build? How strong is this character compared to other entries? Is this character a one-trick pony? How does it function if that trick doesn't work? Bonuses will be awarded for being more powerful than a warlock and the other competitors, as well as over-all utility both in and outside of combat. Penalties will be assessed for being weaker, overall, than a warlock and/or other competitors, and for not having a 9d6 "eldritch blast" at level 20. You should be able to do as much raw damage as a warlock at level 20, otherwise a penalty will be assessed.

* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)

-> How does the build feel? Is it chopped and ugly, with small, unjustified dips? Are the dips completely justified and rationale? Do you meet the pre-requisites for each feat and class when you take it? Obscure classes and feats that get you what you need will not be penalized, nor will 1-2 level dips that make sense, both at the time you took it and with regards to the overall flavor of the ingredient. Bonuses will be awarded for smart, legal decisions that get you towards your goal, obtaining class features of barbarian in a similar time frame. Penalties will be assessed for not meeting pre-requisites at the time you took a class or feat, for dips that do not add to the flavor of the dish sufficiently (in comparison to a different dip), and for questionable reading of the rules.


* Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)

-> How does your story grab me? Does it blend seamlessly with the build? Does it make sense? Are you changing alignment solely to move into a PrC? Bonuses will be awarded for an interesting story that takes your starting character at level 1 all the way to 20, penalties will be reserved for decisions (class entries) unsupported by any story. Length really does not matter too much, a well-written paragraph may well be awarded more points than a one-page boring story.


* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)

-> Does the entry feel like a warlock? How well does the entry attain or exceed the abilities of a warlock 20? If I stood your entry next to a warlock, would I really be able to tell them apart? Bonuses will be awarded for meeeting or exceeding all basic warlock class features and abilities (or alternate class features of a warlock, please cite which ones you are going for). Penalties will be assessed for failure to get basic class features without explanation of how what you can do is equivalent or better.

rot42
2012-07-13, 09:35 AM
Here is a trick I missed but could have used for this competition: some of the companion spirits in DMG II give free (as in beer) energy resistance up to 15, including sonic. Well, it costs a little gold and XP, but no levels or feats and is immune to Disjunction. Most of the companion spirits are pretty forgettable (the designers were trying to thread the needle of not completely changing the game with this new mechanic while still providing abilities worth writing on a character sheet), but these seem to get it about right. Getting hit with a 15d6-15 Cone of Cold at 16th level (where the resistance reaches 15) still hurts, but is noticeably better than not having the resistance. Add Damp Power before going dragon hunting.

mattie_p
2012-07-13, 11:53 AM
Time to reveal the builds I was working on before RL interrupted and I decided to judge. One was a fairly standard wizard with one or more reserve feats. Potentially a cloistered cleric dip for knowledge devotion. I was looking for a good reserve feat with a 9th level spell to back it up. Probably sonic, as few things are immune/resistant. Then looking for a way to transmogify the damage to force. Way short of time on that, work and family and blah.

Another idea I had was to replicate eldritch blast with thrown rocks via hulking hurler/war hulk/whatever. Halfogre from SS would get me there easily. Anyway, haven't seen the builds yet, I'll review them starting Tuesday and have judging shortly thereafter.

The Gilded Duke
2012-07-13, 04:01 PM
I was considering a build who gained power by selling his soul, but it was very difficult to make focused.

motoko's ghost
2012-07-17, 07:11 AM
Gah! sorry for the wait, I was unexpectedly cut off from my internet for the past few days, my judging will be up tomorrow

Garwain
2012-07-17, 07:53 AM
Another idea I had was to replicate eldritch blast with thrown rocks via hulking hurler/war hulk/whatever.
I was thinking of doing the same thing, but with Master Thrower 5, who throws daggers as ranged touch attacks.

mattie_p
2012-07-20, 07:11 AM
So I haven't forgotten about this, my judging should be done by Sunday.

kestrel404
2012-07-31, 04:34 PM
So I suppose this is dead?

mattie_p
2012-07-31, 04:54 PM
No, not dead yet. I still fully intend to judge, real life has been a problem for me lately. Between work and computer problems I've been swamped. I'll have results soon, as work is finally calming down for the time being.

theMycon
2012-07-31, 05:02 PM
Since this is the first time I've seen this particular thread, I'd just like to say that I love the idea of these challenges, and always enjoy seeing the unique ways people come up with to replace a full base class's power suite.

Keep it up, yinz. Hopefully I'll notice the next thread in time to judge.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-07-31, 05:05 PM
Since this is the first time I've seen this particular thread, I'd just like to say that I love the idea of these challenges, and always enjoy seeing the unique ways people come up with to replace a full base class's power suite.

Keep it up, yinz. Hopefully I'll notice the next thread in time to judge.

I believe that it's past the deadline now anyways, so feel free to judge if you wish.

(That and everyone wants as much feedback on their builds as possible).

kestrel404
2012-07-31, 05:09 PM
Ditto. I'd love to see more than one judging for this contest.

mattie_p
2012-07-31, 05:44 PM
Yeah, I truly apologize for the delay. But more judging is always better.

Incidentally, time to start talking about the next competition. What classes would everyone be interested in?

In interest of full disclosure, I may be a guest chairman for a ZS competition or two, so ideas are always good, not that I promise to use them.

The Gilded Duke
2012-08-14, 03:27 PM
Any updates?

ThiagoMartell
2012-08-14, 03:53 PM
He is dead, Jim.

mattie_p
2012-08-14, 03:58 PM
I have honestly thought about this every single day in the past week, but have not had the opportunity to sit down and judge. If anyone else wants to judge as well, I'd be happy to see it, as I can't promise I'll be able to get to it until this weekend, when I finally get some time off from work.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-08-14, 05:47 PM
I would judge these up right now, 'cept for the fact that I might be slightly biased. You know, considering that one of these is mine.

mattie_p
2012-08-14, 06:06 PM
I can see how that might be a problem, Kuulvheysoon.

ShneekeyTheLost
2012-08-14, 08:17 PM
Quite frankly, I'm surprised more Reserve Feats weren't used. It seems to be about the easiest way to replicate unlimited use SLA's.

The Underlord
2012-08-15, 06:28 PM
I vote the next thread, if we have one, should be Zinc Saucier Optimization Challenge 7: Its only MOSTLY dead.

Anyway since, I never submitted, here is my judging
Blind you with science
Innovation 5: Well, I have to admit, I wasn't ready for the power of SCIENCE! Defiantly wouldn't expect a spellthief as a vessel for science.
Power 2: Honestly, it can do one thing: blow stuff up. At least a warlock could fly or see in the dark.
Elegance 4.5: Ok, straight 20 in impressive but one thing stand out to me:Craven. Craven means you are at best, a coward. A man who spends his time blowing stuff up shouldn't be a coward.
Fluff 2: You had little backstory or explanation and no explenation on why spellthief fits the build.
Ingredient 1.5: Do you know what is one of the most defining features of a warlock. Magic. And you quite deliberately separated yourself from that. You also don't emulate anything other than ranged touch attacks.
Total:15

Horm of the Blades
Innovation 4: I have never a Pact-bound Adept before, nothing else in your build is outstandingly original.
Power 3.5: 8th level spells is quite nice and you can do quite a bit of damage. I can't really judge Pact-bound Adept's pact due to my not knowing of it before-hand The reason it isn't a 4 is because you are pretty weak as a spellcaster in the early levels.
Elegance 2: Self-described cheese is pretty bad here. In addition to the dip makes it pretty bad.
Fluff 2: Pretty standard "Strange person kicked out of home, said strange person becomes powerful and kills people in aforementioned home" until

He joined an elite group of spellcasting rogue-spys
Wait, lolwut? This is completely out of the blue and not developed enough. It seems like you could have done more to explain this.
Ingredient 5: Out of all theses entries, you emulated the fluff the best.You had arcane powers developed from a pact with a powerful being. You had a goddd at-will touch attack and emulated most of the invocations.
Total: 17
Bat country
Originality 5: I have to admit, out of all the things I was expecting, a hafling riding a dire bat was not one thing I was prepared for. I also did not expect incarnum.
Power 2.5: The main thing for me was that your BAB was more or less terrible the entire time. You do respectable damage though.
Elegance 2: I'm cutting you some slack since incarnum is difficult. But There are 2 dips which hurt.
Fluff 1.5: I have a feeling the backstory would have been better for me if I had heard about those songs before. But even then, they aren't really a backstory, which is supposed to explain the character's origins.
Ingredient 3: You emulated the features very well, but you didn't really emulated the fluff, which I was looking for. It only hhurts the Incarnum is drawing power from your own soul, when warlocks are stereo-typically known for selling their soul to get power from something else.
Total: 14
The Unrelenting Symphony
Originality 3: Binder was expected, bar less so
Power 3.5: The Seeker of the Song effects seem fairly weak. Without a definitive spell list I can't judge how good your spellcasting is, but 6th isn't particularly amazing.[
Elegance 1: So say a DM is looking through his PCs character sheets. The DM, a regular Playgrounder, is looking for signs of cheese. What words are in his Cheese detector? Most likely: Polymorph, Ocular Spell, Persistent, and Assume Supernatural Ability. Why? because they are common examples of broken cheese. Granted, in this build you don't abuse it like you could have.Most Dms, including me, would say 'no' if a player tried that. The 1 level in binder isn't helping
Fluff 2: I don't see how binder works well with bard fluff-wise, and you have no explanation for it.
Ingredient 3.5: This was a difficult catergory. In your explanation, you demonstrated that you clearly knew the fluff behind warlock and how to accomplish that. But without a specific spell list or even a regularly bound vestige list, all I can judge on is your seeker of the song effects, which aren't particularly outstanding in their imitation of the Warlock
Total:13

Kuulvheysoon
2012-08-15, 06:45 PM
The Underlord, you are clearly awesome.

I'm probably going to abstain from competing in the future so people can get feedback.

mattie_p
2012-08-15, 07:26 PM
Awesome, thanks so much for judging. I haven't looked at the results, but I think we can finally declare this over.

Since Motoko seems to be absent, I'll volunteer as chairman, I can pull that off even if I can't judge. Any objections? Any suggestions for the next secret ingredient? I have some ideas...

The Underlord
2012-08-15, 07:33 PM
I could do it, but I am not confident in my ability to maintain it.
Also: Kuulvheysoon: Could I sig that?

mattie_p
2012-08-15, 07:36 PM
I can maintain the posting schedule as chairman, I just can't guarantee the block time I would need to do the judging justice.

I really think I would need 8 hours to judge, possibly broken up into 2-hour increments, which I can't promise based on work schedule.

Howler Dagger
2012-08-15, 07:53 PM
Call me up if you ever need a judge. Also, do you need me to judge this time?


Also, for the next thread, could I recommend Necromancer, with the title of the thread: Zinc Saucier Optimisation Challenge 7: Only MOSTLY Dead.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-08-15, 07:59 PM
Also: Kuulvheysoon: Could I sig that?

But of course. I would be honored.


I can maintain the posting schedule as chairman, I just can't guarantee the block time I would need to do the judging justice.

I really think I would need 8 hours to judge, possibly broken up into 2-hour increments, which I can't promise based on work schedule.

If you can, I could take over as chairman, if you'd prefer to judge.

Or we could switch off - I don't mind either way.


Call me up if you ever need a judge. Also, do you need me to judge this time?


Also, for the next thread, could I recommend Necromancer, with the title of the thread: Zinc Saucier Optimisation Challenge 7: Only MOSTLY Dead.

Judging is always appreciated.

And I have to admit, that's a pretty fitting title/description.

mattie_p
2012-08-15, 08:07 PM
If you can, I could take over as chairman, if you'd prefer to judge.

Or we could switch off - I don't mind either way.

How about I chair this one and we see how it goes with my schedule. I like competing and judging, just really tough for me now.

The Gilded Duke
2012-08-16, 10:21 AM
Anybody object to people revealing their entries so we can finish this one off and start on the next?

mattie_p
2012-08-16, 10:48 AM
Go for it. I'll post a new competition by midnight UTC, in keeping with the finest traditions.

The Gilded Duke
2012-08-16, 11:00 AM
I made Blind with Science. I was originally considering somebody who got their power directly from selling their soul, but the build wasn't that strong, so decided to go in the opposite direction instead. Still have a few over the top tricks I'll get to use in one of these competitions.

rot42
2012-08-16, 12:52 PM
Bat Country is mine. High Dex, touch attacks, and Incarnate Avatar make up for some of the abysmal base attack progression, but that is still a fair point - thank you for the work you put into judging, The Underlord. And yeah, I pretty much dumped Elegance.

Looking forward to the new Secret Ingredient!

Kuulvheysoon
2012-08-16, 01:28 PM
My entry was Horm of the Blades.

I knowingly dumped Elegance (Master Spellthief) in the hopes that the power obtained from a HD+ Hunter's eye and 8th level spells might make up for it.

Congrats all on your performances!

mattie_p
2012-08-16, 06:31 PM
One more competitor needs to reveal themselves. In the meantime... Check out Zinc Saucier 7 - the paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252932).

kestrel404
2012-08-18, 06:36 PM
Oh, yes, I made the Unrelenting Symphony. It was very last minute, I didn't even see the thread until a few hours before the deadline, but I was just struck by the idea and had to get it out.

mattie_p
2012-08-18, 07:57 PM
Kestrel, we appreciate your entry, even if the judging was much belated. Hopefully you can enter the next competition.