Dandelion King - Awakened King

[Milo v3]

I want to play as a character who calls himself the Dandelion King:
He is a animated/awakened Dandelion who believes the world should belong to him and his subjects (Dandelions). He will likely take levels in Druid. His race is a tiny animated object with the plant type.

Firstly, would you allow Awaken to work on plants other than trees?
Secondly, is there any foreseeable problems with playing that character if the Awaken change is allowed?
And lastly, would it take any LA to do this?

[marcielle]

I think you have discovered something that actually DESERVES negative LA and all the shenanigans associated. A dandelion is infinitely less dangerous than a standard cat, which has a CR of 1/4. The only thing that even comes close to such maths is how level 0 spells cost 1/2 that of level 1. So I'd say if x = level1, 1/2 x =level 0, 1/4 would be negative 1, 1/8 would be -2. Unless you are deathly allergic, a dandelion is even less dangerous than a bookworm ( CR 1/10). I'd give it a negative 3, or at least - 2 LA.

As for problems, I'd say wandering herbivores and insects might give you serious trouble. Like plant equivalent of diseases? Also, you'd have a natural lifespan of 'not very long at all' if you don't find a vase or something as dandelion roots are far too soft to replant themselves in the ground for nutrients.

[Ardantis]

Hey, hey, hey. Let's not be hasty now. After all, he is now completely immune to critical hits and precision-based damage.

[Alefiend]

I think somebody's been watching reruns of The Tick animated series. :smalltongue:

http://cdn.static.ovimg.com/episode/223528.jpg
Youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85QcGRjH1k)

[Milo v3]

I think you have discovered something that actually DESERVES negative LA and all the shenanigans associated. A dandelion is infinitely less dangerous than a standard cat, which has a CR of 1/4. The only thing that even comes close to such maths is how level 0 spells cost 1/2 that of level 1. So I'd say if x = level1, 1/2 x =level 0, 1/4 would be negative 1, 1/8 would be -2. Unless you are deathly allergic, a dandelion is even less dangerous than a bookworm ( CR 1/10). I'd give it a negative 3, or at least - 2 LA.
Sounds good, I level up faster and after level 5 physical stats don't matter.


As for problems, I'd say wandering herbivores and insects might give you serious trouble. Like plant equivalent of diseases? Also, you'd have a natural lifespan of 'not very long at all' if you don't find a vase or something as dandelion roots are far too soft to replant themselves in the ground for nutrients.
Herbivores are weaker than the carnivores most people need to contend with so that should be fine.

Insects will be harder, I might need to make a new Orison "Protection from Insects" which would protect a plant or plant creature from aphids and such.

The roots may be a problem though.


I think somebody's been watching reruns of The Tick animated series. :smalltongue:
I haven't see The Tick since I was 6 so thats not it. Also I never saw an episode with a living flower.

[Deepbluediver]

The roots may be a problem though.

While I think this is utterly ridiculous, I feel strangly compelled to help. Also, I recently read a post about player playing as a Brain-in-a-jar, so we're already over my weirdness quota for the week.

You should get one of the other party members to carry around a small jar of loose potting soil that you can hang out in when you're not wildshaped.

[Bloodgruve]

While I think this is utterly ridiculous, I feel strangly compelled to help. Also, I recently read a post about player playing as a Brain-in-a-jar, so we're already over my weirdness quota for the week.

You should get one of the other party members to carry around a small jar of loose potting soil that you can hang out in when you're not wildshaped.

Would you qualify as 'weeds' for the use of Entangle where there are none other than yourself present?

Try for a follower rather than an animal companion, name him Seymour and have him cut up and feed you your kills, name yourself Audrey II...

Could be doable.

Blood~

[Randomguy]

Would you be able to get away with having been hit by a Maximized Empowered Awaken?

[Afool]

With the other limitations a DM might allow it... maybe that could be part of the base race that would bump up the LA a bit....:thoughtful: make things a bit more doable.....

[Milo v3]

With the other limitations a DM might allow it... maybe that could be part of the base race that would bump up the LA a bit....:thoughtful: make things a bit more doable.....

What limitations are you refering to? Also currently I am the DM.

[hoverfrog]

Under RAW, no. A dandelion is a flowering plant of the sunflower family, not a woody perennial plant (a tree). It is too short lived and not sturdy or rigid enough for the spell to function. Of course the DM may choose to rule differently or to introduce a variant spell that also works on flowers, bushes and grasses.

You'll live for 9 month max so three months into the campaign you'll age a category. I've made magic items that took longer than that to make.

The real question is why would a druid throw away 250 xp to Awaken a Dandelion? With a range of touch maybe he slipped and fell.

I think it should be allowed and you should get a warthog animal companion to carry your plant pot around in his head for no other reason than the idea amuses me for its silliness.

[Medic!]

Ok, this is a little far-out there, but give it a think or two: Player was an ancient druid treant (or some sort of plant), dying of disease wrought by some evil guy. The friendly local neighborhood druid, overcome with grief at the lost of the Guardian of the Grove or whatever....are you ready for it?

REINCARNATES IT and BAM it comes back as a dandelion who used to be an ancient super-tree.


idk

[Telonius]

Question: are the offspring of Awakened creatures also Awakened? Because I can see some serious shenanigans possible if you ever find a five-year-old kid...

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Psion.

Awakened Dandelion Psion.

[Milo v3]

Under RAW, no. A dandelion is a flowering plant of the sunflower family, not a woody perennial plant (a tree). It is too short lived and not sturdy or rigid enough for the spell to function. Of course the DM may choose to rule differently or to introduce a variant spell that also works on flowers, bushes and grasses.
So I'll probably have to use Animate Object then.


The real question is why would a druid throw away 250 xp to Awaken a Dandelion? With a range of touch maybe he slipped and fell.
Because was undead and his master told him to effectively.


I think it should be allowed and you should get a warthog animal companion to carry your plant pot around in his head for no other reason than the idea amuses me for its silliness.
Nah, I'm going to have either a Fire Elemental or a Wood Elemental as my companion. Also because of a homebrew spell in the setting I can function without being in a pot.


Ok, this is a little far-out there, but give it a think or two: Player was an ancient druid treant (or some sort of plant), dying of disease wrought by some evil guy. The friendly local neighborhood druid, overcome with grief at the lost of the Guardian of the Grove or whatever....are you ready for it?

REINCARNATES IT and BAM it comes back as a dandelion who used to be an ancient super-tree.

idk
The origin of the Dandelion King is that he was created by a bored Epic Mage named the Eternal Bard who liked the concept. So he made one of his minions create it then set it out into the wilds. He also made an animated peeble.


Question: are the offspring of Awakened creatures also Awakened?
Thats a good question.


Psion.

Awakened Dandelion Psion.
Druid.
A Dandelion shooting fire out of his "Hands"
A Dandelion turning into a Bear
A Dandelion turning into fire
A Dandelion with a Wolf at his command.

[ima donkey]

Can his arch nemesis be an awakened goat necromancer named Rolf?

[Milo v3]

Can his arch nemesis be an awakened goat necromancer named Rolf?

I have no idea what your referencing... :smallredface:

[Deepbluediver]

I have no idea what your referencing... :smallredface:

The cartoon show Ed, Edd, & Eddy has a character named Rolf, who owns a pet goat. How this is related to dandelions I have no idea, except for maybe goats eating plants, but I could say much the same thing about any herbivore.

I think it would be better if his arch-nemesis is an awakened rabbit named Thumper (or Peter Cottontail or Hazel or any other well known literary rabbit-character)
The two of you can be the least-menacing D&D characters ever designed. :smallbiggrin:

[Milo v3]

I think it would be better if his arch-nemesis is an awakened rabbit named Thumper (or Peter Cottontail or Hazel or any other well known literary rabbit-character)
The two of you can be the least-menacing D&D characters ever designed. :smallbiggrin:

How about this. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12970744)

[Deepbluediver]

How about this. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12970744)

It seems like some one has been inspired by the most terrifying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yww2x3bm9k). Horror movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xulXFB3-A3c). EVER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlBp94ekiR8)! :smallbiggrin:

(to anyone who doesn't immediately realize what I'm talking about, there are three links: a trailer, spoilers, and the full movie)


But no, I was thinking about just a normal, tiny-sized, awakened rabbit. That should be a suitable foe for your dandelion.

[Milo v3]

It seems like some one has been inspired by the most terrifying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yww2x3bm9k). Horror movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xulXFB3-A3c). EVER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlBp94ekiR8)! :smallbiggrin:

(to anyone who doesn't immediately realize what I'm talking about, there are three links: a trailer, spoilers, and the full movie)
I have don't know what your talking about, and because of the blocks on my computer I cannot see youtube. :smallfrown:

Also the Esquilax is from The Simpsons.

[Amoren]

Hmmm, could you become a necropolitan dandelion so you no longer age when unrooted?

Edit: Assuming you count as a construct (plant), take the incarnum construct template from MoI that makes you humanoid, then jump into necropolitan?

[Deepbluediver]

I have don't know what your talking about, and because of the blocks on my computer I cannot see youtube. :smallfrown:

Also the Esquilax is from The Simpsons.

Sorry, those where links to a movie called Night of the Lepus.

Here are the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Lepus) and TV Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/NightOfTheLepus?from=Main.NightOfTheLepus) pages.

It's a "horror" movie from the 1970's about giant killer bunny rabbits, that was universally panned for just about every bad thing you could think of in a movie (acting, directing, special effects, etc). Since then, it's gained popularity as one of those "so bad it's good" movies that people turn into drinking games. :smallamused:

[Urpriest]

Going by the (admittedly usually silly) Savage Species guidelines, an Awakened Tiny Animated Object has the following LA:
+1 for unbalanced ability scores (Dex +4 outweighs Str -2, Awakened basically just returns you to baseline in mental scores)
-1 for Tiny
+1 for Plant or Construct

For +1 total. There's also the question of what your Con is. If you're an Awakened plant rather than an Awakened Animated Object then it's a little weird for you to have Con -, but RAW seems to indicate that's how it works.

[Milo v3]

Hmmm, could you become a necropolitan dandelion so you no longer age when unrooted?

Edit: Assuming you count as a construct (plant), take the incarnum construct template from MoI that makes you humanoid, then jump into necropolitan?
I don't have Incarnum.


Sorry, those where links to a movie called Night of the Lepus.

Here are the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Lepus) and TV Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/NightOfTheLepus?from=Main.NightOfTheLepus) pages.

It's a "horror" movie from the 1970's about giant killer bunny rabbits, that was universally panned for just about every bad thing you could think of in a movie (acting, directing, special effects, etc). Since then, it's gained popularity as one of those "so bad it's good" movies that people turn into drinking games. :smallamused:

Now I really want to find that movie. :smalltongue:


Going by the (admittedly usually silly) Savage Species guidelines, an Awakened Tiny Animated Object has the following LA:
+1 for unbalanced ability scores (Dex +4 outweighs Str -2, Awakened basically just returns you to baseline in mental scores)
-1 for Tiny
+1 for Plant or Construct

For +1 total. There's also the question of what your Con is. If you're an Awakened plant rather than an Awakened Animated Object then it's a little weird for you to have Con -, but RAW seems to indicate that's how it works.

That's disappointing. Might have to do LA Buyoff.