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Roguenewb
2012-07-27, 01:19 PM
....to directly swap the Divine spellcasting of Archivist for Arcane casting? Taking away it's armor profs (cause, it can't really use them), and it letting it get it's free spells per level from wizard list.

Frankly, the class's feel is more in line with the actual flavor of wizard, and his real class features, which is the trend of classes.

Duke of URL
2012-07-27, 01:27 PM
That would be... a Wizard. With class features. Who can lean non Sorcerer/Wizard arcane spells.

I'd say "quite broken" except we're talking about classes that are tier 1 already.

awa
2012-07-27, 02:03 PM
I don't think it will make that big a difference on one hand arcane spells are better then divine in many cases on the other the archivist had access to druid and domain spells, so hell have less spells to pick from as an arcane caster.

Slipperychicken
2012-07-27, 02:37 PM
You end up with a Wizard with class features, access to criminally-lower-level versions of spells (why hello there, Trapsmith spell list!), plus the handful of arcane spells Wizards don't already get.

Absolutely broken, it's not even funny how broken it is. At the very least, you should restrict it from getting lower-level versions of Sorc/Wiz spells (like from the Bard or Trapsmith lists).

Godskook
2012-07-27, 03:22 PM
Honestly, no more broken than Archivist already is. Or at least not much more broken or is it less? At that point, its hard to tell, really.

At low optimization levels, you literally have a wizard, while as you get more optimized, an Arcane Archivist starts doing what the Divine Archivist does, and quite frankly, I'm not sure which does it faster or if that even matters relative to being optimized full-casters in a game where the DM clearly doesn't mind you testing the limits of the D&D power curve.

Rejakor
2012-07-27, 06:07 PM
Gets access to bard spells - already had them from divine bard. Gains sorc/wiz, loses cleric/druid.

Meh. Not that much better than a regular archivist.

Kelb_Panthera
2012-07-27, 11:06 PM
How about you let us know after you've picked up the shattered remnants of your game.

Lonely Tylenol
2012-07-28, 03:35 AM
Gets access to bard spells - already had them from divine bard. Gains sorc/wiz, loses cleric/druid.

Meh. Not that much better than a regular archivist.

It also loses access to the spell lists of the Ranger, Paladin, Shugenja, Healer, and Adept lists, plus the list of every divine PrC that prepares from its own list, such as Blackguard and Contemplative (?).

Then, in addition to Sor/Wiz spells (including the exclusive spells from both lists; helloooooooo, prepared Arcane Fusion!), it gains access to the spell lists of the Wu Jen, Beguiler, Warmage, Dread Necromancer, and Duskblade, plus the list of every arcane PrC that prepares from its own list, such as Assassin, Nar Demonbinder and Trapsmith.

In case you felt like asking, yes, I WOULD like to cast Haste, Arcane Sight, Gaseous Form, Dispel Magic and Protection from Energy as 1st-level spells! How did you know?

molten_dragon
2012-07-28, 06:22 AM
It would be significantly more powerful than the wizard, due to useful class features, and a bigger spell list. It might be slightly more powerful than a normal artificer, due to the arcane spell list being a bit more powerful than the divine.

In the end though, how broken it will be really depends on how good of an optimizer the player is, and what the DM will let the player do. Archivist already requires a lot of discussion between player and DM, this version would be no different.

Mithril Leaf
2012-07-28, 08:26 AM
Somewhere between slightly more broken than a normal archivist and slightly less broken than a spell-to-power erudite.

Kuulvheysoon
2012-07-28, 12:03 PM
Somewhere between slightly more broken than a normal archivist and slightly less broken than a spell-to-power erudite.

Pretty much this, yeah.