How to make a support-gish? [Archive] - Giant in the Playground Forums

Qwertystop

2012-07-29, 08:07 PM

I'm playing a Dwarf Arbiter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12154375#post12154375)/Crusader (with Hero's Edge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169940)) in a possibly-upcoming game. General goal is to be a good support-gish.

What should the division between the two classes be? What sort of feats should I take? Which Access Feat should I use?

My tactical buildmaking is lacking for this task, and I know for a fact that the DM of that game is getting antagonist-building advice here (it's AlanBruce's Elemental Artifacts (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245386) campaign), so being low-powered is unlikely to work well.

Can The Hivemind of The Playground help with this task?

I'm starting at level 10. Spirit Lion Totem Barbarian for Pounce is fine, unless there's a Crusader maneuver I've missed that would make that unnecessary. XP penalties are not in effect, AFAIK.

Qwertystop

2012-07-30, 11:11 AM

Anybody? Please?

Biffoniacus_Furiou

2012-07-30, 11:52 AM

Arbiter is the embodiment of neutrality. Crusader is the embodiment of an alignment extreme. I don't see the two being even remotely compatible as far as flavor goes.

Mechanically, Arbiter lacks the spell levels and the specific spells necessary to be either of the things you want this character to be. You're better off going something like Bard 8/ Crusader 1/ JPM 1/ Sublime Chord 2/ Abjurant Champion 5/ JPM 3.

Qwertystop

2012-07-30, 12:00 PM

Arbiter is the embodiment of neutrality. Crusader is the embodiment of an alignment extreme. I don't see the two being even remotely compatible as far as flavor goes.

Mechanically, Arbiter lacks the spell levels and the specific spells necessary to be either of the things you want this character to be. You're better off going something like Bard 8/ Crusader 1/ JPM 1/ Sublime Chord 2/ Abjurant Champion 5/ JPM 3.

I figured that Lawful Neutral worked for both.

And don't the Arbiter's abilities work for it? With all the stealing-enemy-buffs-and-stats-for-own-team?

Maybe /i need a bit of clarification: I'm not necessarially going for a gish in the strictest sense of 9th level casting and BAB 16. More of the general idea of hitting-stuff-and-using-magic-fairly well.

Also, what's JPM stand for?