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zlefin
2012-08-03, 02:14 AM
i know of dread necro, beguiler, and warmage, for necromancy, enchantment, and evocation;
are there other tier 3-ish casters for abjuration, conjuration, transmutation, and divination? or other subspecialties?

Kelb_Panthera
2012-08-03, 02:15 AM
Nothing that's official WotC material, unless I'm mistaken.

eggs
2012-08-03, 02:47 AM
There's tons of homebrew.
{table=head]Class |Author |Schools/Themes
Aeromancer (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=476.0;msg=2222) |RobbyPants |Air themes
Alchemist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49554) |GryffonDurime |Transmutation
Barrier Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9866726#post9866726) |The-Mage-King |Abjurations, walls and clouds
Blood Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203924) |Lonely Tylenol |Transmutation, summons
Cleric (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=4082) |Prime32 |Buffs, heals, aligned spells
Court Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5824387) |Darth Stabber |Abjuration/Divination
Earth Dreamer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155003) |jiriku |Divinations, earth themes
Emberhaunt (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158205) |jiriku |Fire spells and buffs
Geomancer (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=476.0;msg=2223) |RobbyPants |Earth themes
Harbinger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244491) |wayfare |Divinations and enchantments
Haruspex (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213491) |Silva Stormrage|Divinations, variety of other spell effects
Hydromancer (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=476.0;msg=2224) |RobbyPants |Water themes
Medic (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12170) |Garryl |Arcane Healing/Defensive buffing
Mutationist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106138) |Darth Stabber |Transmutation
Oracle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105787) |ParO'Dice Lost |Abjuration, variety of miscellaneous others
Oracle (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7683.msg254245#msg254245) |RobbyPants |Abjurer/Diviner
Planeswalker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49583) |The Demented One|Conjuration
Puppet Master (http://wiki.faxcelestis.net/index.php?title=Puppet_Master) |DragoonWraith |Transmutation and Summoning
Purifier (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9803) |RobbyPants |Healing, Buffing, Positive Energy blasting
Pyromancer (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=476.0;msg=2226) |RobbyPants |Fire themes
Rearranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99314) |Arguskos |Transmutation
Savant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5207261&postcount=2) |Arguskos |Abjuration/Divination
Seer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158308) |Frog God |Abjuration/Divination
Shadowmage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4700555#post4700555) |Ghost Warlock |Debuff Necromancy and Shadow Illusions
Shapeshifter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239085) |jiriku |Morphs, buffs, polymorph nerfs
Spellshifter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162170) |Frog God |Transmutation
Spellweaver (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5207279&postcount=4) |Arguskos |Transmutation
Storm Lord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157750) |jiriku |Air, electricity, buffing
Summoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5207270&postcount=3)|Arguskos |Conjuration
Summoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181483) |jiriku |Summons, buffs, control
Summoner (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=3400) |Prime32 |Conjuration
Teleporter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168948) |Saph |Teleports and Divinations
Time Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93531)|Violet Octopus |Divinations, Summons, Teleports and speed-related buff/debuffs
Village Priest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9383721) |dspeyer |Either Life- or Death-themes, modified by domains
Void Disciple (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159776) |jiriku |Divinations and curses
Wavekeeper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159251) |jiriku |Water spells, "controller" elsements
Witch Doctor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60146) |The Glyphstone |Buffs and Curses
Wizard (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2410) |Prime32 |Utility spells, Warlock-style invocations[/table]
Probably more with more digging.

EDIT:
Spiffier!

Feralventas
2012-08-03, 04:00 AM
Abjuration, Transmutation, Conjuration and Divination don't have a base-class that comes to mind, but there are some great PrC's for them, and as long as you restrict yourself to that one school of magic, maybe two, it should knock you down to T3ish with a Sorcerer base.

Abjuration: Initiate of the 7fold Veil, Complete Arcane, and Abjurant Champion of Complete mage. Initate is more of a 'caster, while AbjuChamp is more of a gish using Abjuration for self-buffs and augmenting combative ability.

Transmutation has Master Transmogripher for shape-shifting, or Warshaper for the same. Not sure about any others save Master Specialist for wizard.

Divination actually has more Divine PrC's via Void Disciple, Contemplative, and Divine Oracle, though Unseen Seer makes for a great thief/caster that specs into getting info without giving any away (abjuration/divination mix of abilities)

For Conjuration, if you're looking for straight up summoning, there's a Pathfinder base-class called the Summoner, though it hangs out around T2.

You could always take the Generic Spellcaster out of Unearthed Arcana, stick to one or two schools of magic, and ask for one of the UA Wizard specialist effects as class features.

Psyren
2012-08-03, 08:11 AM
There's tons of homebrew.
Prime32's Wizard (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2410) (basic utility spells+Warlock-style blasting), Summoner (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=3400) (summons) and Cleric (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=4082) (buffs, heals, aligned spells)
Arguskos's Savant, Summoner and Spellweaver (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5207270) (Abjuration/Divination, Conjuration and Transmutation, respectively) and Rearranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99314) (Transmutation)
The Demented One's Planeswalker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49583) (Conjuration)
GryffonDurime's Alchemist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49554) (Mostly Transmutation, but the spells wander all over)
The Glyphstone's Witch Doctor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60146) (Buffs and Curses)
Darth Stabber's Court Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5824387) (Abjuration/Divination) and Mutationist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106138) (Transmutatation)
The-Mage-King's Barrier Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9866726#post9866726) (Abjurations, Walls and Clouds)
Ghost Warlock's Shadowmage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4700555#post4700555) (debuff necromancy and shadow illusions)
Violet Octopus's Time Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93531) (divinations, Summons, teleports and speed/time-related buffs/debuffs)
PairO'Dice Lost's Oracle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105787) (Abjuration, and a huge hodgepodge of other spells)
Frog God's Seer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158308) (Abjuration/Divination) and Spellshifter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162170)(Transmutation)
DragoonWraith's Puppet Master (http://wiki.faxcelestis.net/index.php?title=Puppet_Master) (Transmutation and summoning)
RobbyPant's Oracle (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7683.msg254245#msg254245) (Abjurer/Diviner support), Purifier (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9803) (healing, buffing, positive energy blasting) and Elemental Mages (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=476.0) (various elemental themes)
Garryl's Medic (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12170) (arcane healing/defensive buffing)
dspeyer's Village Priest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9383721) (either Life- or Death- themed divine casting, modified with domains).
jiriku's Earth Dreamer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155003) (divinations, earth-themed spells), Emberhaunt (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158205) (fire spells and buffs), Shapeshifter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239085) (morphs, buffs and polymorph nerfs), Storm Lord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157750) (air, electric and buffing spells), Summoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181483) (summons, buffs, control), Void Disciple (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159776) (divinations and curses), Wavekeeper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159251) (water spells, control/BC elements)
Wayfare's Harbinger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244491) (divinations and enchantents)

Probably more with more digging.

Add Saph's excellent Teleporter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168948) to that list.

jaybird
2012-08-03, 09:43 AM
Warmage is more T4 I think, so I'd suggest looking at one of the fixes on this board for that class.

Gotterdammerung
2012-08-03, 11:28 AM
I think there is a few more in this thread that havent been mentioned.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222082


Silva Stormrage's Haruspex for instance.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213491


It is an older thread that I started asking essentially the same question (yours got a much better response, lol).

Novawurmson
2012-08-03, 12:30 PM
I like to think of the PF Alchemist and Summoner being Transmutation and Conjuration specialists, but it's not quite as deep a connection as, say, the Dread Necro.

Rebel7284
2012-08-03, 12:35 PM
There is also Bard as an Illusion/Enchantment specialist at tier 3. Admittedly it's weaker than Beguiler, but honestly, a well build Beguiler is tier 2.

eggs
2012-08-03, 01:18 PM
Add Saph's excellent Teleporter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168948) to that list.
Done.

One other one is the Exorcist from Villains of Pact Magic. It's third party, but the X of Pact Magic books are pretty well-designed.

Gotterdammerung
2012-08-03, 01:25 PM
Done.

One other one is the Exorcist from Villains of Pact Magic. It's third party, but the X of Pact Magic books are pretty well-designed.

Is there a way to bookmark this list so I can find it easy?

And can we keep adding to it :smallsmile:

eggs
2012-08-03, 03:12 PM
Is there a way to bookmark this list so I can find it easy?

And can we keep adding to it :smallsmile:
I could spiffy up the formatting and add other suggestions to my earlier post in this thread (if you click the little number in the corner of the post, you should be able to set a direct bookmark), but I wouldn't really feel comfortable trying to set this up as a resource without getting the go-ahead from the various authors or doing some deeper balance/quality reviews.

If you'd want to do something more extensive, feel free to run with what's there, but I don't think I'm going to take it a whole lot further.

gorfnab
2012-08-03, 09:53 PM
Nightstalker from Dragonlance: Races of Ansalon is Tier 3. It has Bard like casting but is specialized in Divination, Necromancy, and Conjuration: Healing. It has Trapfinding, Rebuke Undead, Advanced Learning (for Necromancy and Divination), and 3 Ghost Cohorts.

Lonely Tylenol
2012-08-03, 11:04 PM
My Blood Mage was designed to be a somewhat Transmutation-specialized caster, in the same vein as the Beguiler and its ilk.

As far as non-home brew is concerned, if you look to Pathfinder, the Summoner is a Conjuration-focused class, and the Alchemist is Transmutation-focused.