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Silva Stormrage
2012-08-08, 12:14 PM
Is there any effect/spell/item that would put a target in statis and then accelerate their time? Other than demiplane shenanigans with altering time traits.

The purpose is that for a campaign I am in I would like to gather dragon eggs and than accelerate their growth so that they grow to adults incredibly fast. Then kill them and animate them as undead. It would be much easier if I didn't have to wait a century for them to be used as mounts XD

The Redwolf
2012-08-08, 12:18 PM
I remember someone on here mentioning a spell that advances you an age category or something like that, and advancing an age category makes a dragon get larger, so that might work. Also, some planes have time travel faster than on others, so you could get the eggs and hang out there for a while then come back so they're hatched.

Silva Stormrage
2012-08-08, 12:37 PM
I remember someone on here mentioning a spell that advances you an age category or something like that, and advancing an age category makes a dragon get larger, so that might work. Also, some planes have time travel faster than on others, so you could get the eggs and hang out there for a while then come back so they're hatched.

That spell would be really useful, I could set up a resetting trap for it and that would work wonderfully.

The alternate planes does work but in the current homebrew setting I am in none of those exist and I can't use Genisis to make a plane with an alterable time trait (DM Fiat as it IS broken)

The Redwolf
2012-08-08, 12:46 PM
I should note I don't know enough to know what the spell is, I saw it discussed on here though. Don't remember what thread it was either offhand, I'll look for it though.

Edit: I found the thread, the spells are Bestow Curse and Greater Bestow Curse.

VGLordR2
2012-08-08, 12:55 PM
Bestow Curse and Greater Bestow Curse will advance the dragon by one and two age categories respectively. The problem is that the duration is Permanent. This means that each spell can only be used once, and they can be removed with an AMF or a Remove Curse.

You could also introduce the dragons to a Phane (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Phane)'s Time Leech ability. They'll be Great Wyrms in no time.

EDIT: Also, it should be easy to get the dragons to experience the effects of the Flowing Time (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:About_Planes#Flowing_Time) trait. That will also age them very quickly.

Psyren
2012-08-08, 01:08 PM
You don't need an actual demiplane - just find a fast-time plane that already exists and stick them there. The Realm of Dreams for instance is 10x as fast as the Material, though you'll need some ranks in Lucid Dreaming to find the eggs again.

Mithril Leaf
2012-08-08, 01:53 PM
Bestow Curse and Greater Bestow Curse will advance the dragon by one and two age categories respectively. The problem is that the duration is Permanent. This means that each spell can only be used once, and they can be removed with an AMF or a Remove Curse.

You could also introduce the dragons to a Phane (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Phane)'s Time Leech ability. They'll be Great Wyrms in no time.

EDIT: Also, it should be easy to get the dragons to experience the effects of the Flowing Time (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:About_Planes#Flowing_Time) trait. That will also age them very quickly.

First off, use the D20SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/abomination.htm#phane). It's higher quality and clearly marked. Secondly, that's pretty awesome, I'll have to enslave myself a Phane at some point, not being poison immune makes them easy to dump a boatload of wisdom damage poison on them for domination. Incorpreality is a problem sadly. Ah well.

Also, as far as planes, you could always toss them in the Far Realms. If you're going to be making them indead, the crippling insanity won't be an issue, although retrieving them may be a problem.

Suddo
2012-08-08, 02:37 PM
You could also introduce the dragons to a Phane (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Phane)'s Time Leech ability. They'll be Great Wyrms in no time.

@Phanes: On the plus side they'll be big stupid dragons due to not gaining mental stats. This should help in controlling them.

Fable Wright
2012-08-08, 04:18 PM
From the handbook on playing as a dragon (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1518), fast aging tricks:

River's Ravages (dragonlance, legends of the twins)
Age 2 years per caster level for 1 round per caster level.
Quick and easy. Weighes in at a 2nd level spell meaning really early access.

Bestow Curse (phb/srd, bovd)
Ages you into your next age category
Duration of permanent but doesn't stack with it's self. As a DM I'd penalize your XP gains as your ECL has "permanently" changed but your DM may not.

Greater Bestow Curse (spc, bovd)
Ages you into your next age category, again
Duration of "till you complete a miniquest" and stacks with the nongreater version since it's a different spell. Fair call to say you age your self two categories with it if not you age your self and your entire family. It's fun for the whole family.

Hasten The End (dragonlance, holy orders of the stars)
Bestows a negative level and ages you 10 years per round
The duration is concentration. Combine with either feats, skill tricks, shapechanging for extra actions or whatever else and you can access your Ancient Wrym stage outside, or even inside a well timed, battle.

Igneel
2012-08-08, 05:48 PM
From the handbook on playing as a dragon (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1518), fast aging tricks:

River's Ravages (dragonlance, legends of the twins)
Age 2 years per caster level for 1 round per caster level.
Quick and easy. Weighes in at a 2nd level spell meaning really early access.

Bestow Curse (phb/srd, bovd)
Ages you into your next age category
Duration of permanent but doesn't stack with it's self. As a DM I'd penalize your XP gains as your ECL has "permanently" changed but your DM may not.

Greater Bestow Curse (spc, bovd)
Ages you into your next age category, again
Duration of "till you complete a miniquest" and stacks with the nongreater version since it's a different spell. Fair call to say you age your self two categories with it if not you age your self and your entire family. It's fun for the whole family.

Hasten The End (dragonlance, holy orders of the stars)
Bestows a negative level and ages you 10 years per round
The duration is concentration. Combine with either feats, skill tricks, shapechanging for extra actions or whatever else and you can access your Ancient Wrym stage outside, or even inside a well timed, battle.


Beat me to it. Gotta love the Dragonlance time-themed spells. =)

eggs
2012-08-08, 06:09 PM
There's always Teleport through Time (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/pg/20030409b), unless that counts as fiddling with time traits.

EDIT: It doesn't do any immediate stasis-aging, but allows throwing the thing back in time and picking it up somewhere in the present.

Silva Stormrage
2012-08-09, 12:58 AM
Okay thanks these were incredibly useful I think I will take a look at the dragon lance spells as that seems to be the best way.

Reluctance
2012-08-09, 01:07 AM
I'm going to ask why. If you're playing a dragon, artificially aging yourself is one thing. (Except when it's not, in that LA will catch up with you, but that's neither here nor there.) Since your goal is to kill them, you're going to have to fight them anyways.

And if you're going to be slaying dragons, is there really much difference between adventuring to dragon lairs to steal eggs to put in a fast-time demiplane, vs. adventuring to dragon lairs to kill dragons directly?

Silva Stormrage
2012-08-09, 01:10 AM
I'm going to ask why. If you're playing a dragon, artificially aging yourself is one thing. (Except when it's not, in that LA will catch up with you, but that's neither here nor there.) Since your goal is to kill them, you're going to have to fight them anyways.

And if you're going to be slaying dragons, is there really much difference between adventuring to dragon lairs to steal eggs to put in a fast-time demiplane, vs. adventuring to dragon lairs to kill dragons directly?

There is a hell of a difference in this setting, Dragons have a flying city and are actually organized. Thus if I want to get a zombie dragon flying fleet it is MUCH safer if I can just rear them from birth to great wrym status, have them in a trap when reared and then kill them and animate them.

yugi24862
2012-08-09, 06:04 AM
I hope the flying dragon city doesnt hear about your plan...