willpell
2012-08-11, 08:39 AM
And I fight rogues who have gone rogue while piloting fighters. In other words, I'm using the briefly-described variant classes of Unearthed Arcana, where the Rogue and the Fighter trade their class features.
Fighter
Some fighters prefer stealth and cunning over martial skill. This variant can also be combined with the thug variant.
Gain
Sneak attack (as rogue).
Lose
Bonus feats.
Rogue
The rogue who favors martial training over stealth and cunning can profit if she chooses her fights carefully.
Gain
Bonus feats (as fighter).
Lose
Sneak attack.
These variants simply swap one or more of that class's features for one or more class features of another class. A class feature gained works just as it did for its original class, including the level at which it is gained and any other effects, except as noted below.
I have two questions regarding a Rogue built using the second variant (the first one has nothing to do with my question, I just tossed it in there for the sake of symmetry). Since he doesn't have an actual Fighter level, I'd assume he can't take Weapon Specialization when he gets to Rogue 4 and gains his third FBF. Is it instead possible for him to multiclass between "rogue with fighter bonus feats" and the actual PBH Fighter class? That way, he could go Rogue 2 / Fighter 3, pick up a feat every level for his first four levels (and an extra one at level 3), then add one more Fighter level, take Weapon Spec (along with a second "any" feat since he's now level 6), and then go back to advancing as a Rogue, gaining still more FBFs, potentially including Weapon Spec for additional weapons (I'm aware you can't stack them for the same weapon).
Does this seem like a tactic deserving of book-throw, or is it a perfectly legitimate attempt at a build that isn't normally possible? If you disapprove of the player gaining four feats in four levels, would you allow him to use his variant-Rogue level to pick up Weapon Spec?
Fighter
Some fighters prefer stealth and cunning over martial skill. This variant can also be combined with the thug variant.
Gain
Sneak attack (as rogue).
Lose
Bonus feats.
Rogue
The rogue who favors martial training over stealth and cunning can profit if she chooses her fights carefully.
Gain
Bonus feats (as fighter).
Lose
Sneak attack.
These variants simply swap one or more of that class's features for one or more class features of another class. A class feature gained works just as it did for its original class, including the level at which it is gained and any other effects, except as noted below.
I have two questions regarding a Rogue built using the second variant (the first one has nothing to do with my question, I just tossed it in there for the sake of symmetry). Since he doesn't have an actual Fighter level, I'd assume he can't take Weapon Specialization when he gets to Rogue 4 and gains his third FBF. Is it instead possible for him to multiclass between "rogue with fighter bonus feats" and the actual PBH Fighter class? That way, he could go Rogue 2 / Fighter 3, pick up a feat every level for his first four levels (and an extra one at level 3), then add one more Fighter level, take Weapon Spec (along with a second "any" feat since he's now level 6), and then go back to advancing as a Rogue, gaining still more FBFs, potentially including Weapon Spec for additional weapons (I'm aware you can't stack them for the same weapon).
Does this seem like a tactic deserving of book-throw, or is it a perfectly legitimate attempt at a build that isn't normally possible? If you disapprove of the player gaining four feats in four levels, would you allow him to use his variant-Rogue level to pick up Weapon Spec?