[Steam]-y Thread 30: Throwing titles out the window! [Archive]

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 12:38 AM

[Steam] Thread 30
Totally safe for work, we swear!

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⏎ Steam Groups

There are several Steam groups for different groups and games:

Giant in the Playground (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitp)
Chocolate Hammer (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/chocolatehammer)
GitP Competetive (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitpcompetitive)
GitP Borderlands (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitpborderlands)
GitP Left 4 Dead 2 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPL4D2) and GitP Killing Floor (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPKF)
GitP Waaaaaaaaaaaagh (Dawn of War)
(http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gitpdawnofwar)

⏎ Servers

★ Team Fortress 2
Team Fortress 2 is a team-based first-person shooter multiplayer video game developed by Valve Corporation

Interested in trading? Provide, supply or volunteer your items in this spreadsheet (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As_s6rBJ9TGedGFTZlJGX3cycXNqLXlKYlY5TDd2e lE&hl=en&authkey=COrp9Rw#gid=0).
Want to report bad behaviour on either server? Follow these steps (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9682446&postcount=923) to get their Steam ID.

★ Minecraft

Minecraft is a game about placing blocks while running from skeletons. Or something like that. The game involves players creating and destroying various types of blocks in a three dimensional environment. The player takes an avatar that can destroy or create blocks, forming fantastic structures, creations and artwork across the various multiplayer servers in multiple game modes.

The server uses a whitelist to allow only certain individuals entry. To add yourself, or any questions, ask Saposhiente (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=49194).
Minecraft server thread can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242521).

★ Terraria

Terraria is a game about placing blocks while running from skeletons, but in 2D! Well, okay. There's more of a focus on exploration, finding rare weapons and materials, and battling increasingly powerful foes as you carve out a home or two on the side.

Server now only available upon demand. Contact Archonic_Energy if you want to play.

☆ Colloquial

After the loss of the Chocolate Hammer TF2 server the community split in two general directions. Mumble and IRC. Everyone is welcome on both.

⏎ Mumble

Used as a lounge area for people to meet up and talk to each other. If you want to play a competitive game such as LoL, DotA2, T:A, or SC2, this is the place to be.

⌘ IP: fish.mumbleboxes.com:36003

⏎ IRC

IRC is the general all-day hangout for many people, even while at work or roaming on their phones. Subjects of conversation shift everywhere, games of L4D2 are arranged, and PbP RPG's happen right in the channel.

There are many ways to connect to and enjoy IRC, either by using a web client (simply click this link and you are done (http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=81db94460c51e6dd6344525c357535fe&server=irc.sorcery.net&channel=%23chocolatehammer%20chha)), a traditional desktop client, or by using a plugin for your browser / game. A quick how-to join the channel can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461438&postcount=777). If you already have some experience using IRC but would like to know more, once you're inside the channel, any questions you might have should be answered by those already present.

⌘ IP: irc.sorcery.net ; #chocolatehammer ; Password is “chha”

Admins for the various servers

⏎ Chocolate Hammer

Currently known Admins and Moderators

⏎ Minecraft *
Saposhiente

⏎ Mumble *

Djinn_in_Tonic (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=19501))
Darth Mario (GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=6675))
Neftren (aka, Polytonic; GitP (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=18851))

Older Steam Threads:
The Orange Box Thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58949
TOB 2: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97854
TOB 3: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112339
TOB 4: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118059
TOB 5: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121135
TOB 6: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123753
TOB 7: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127092
Then Shadow_Archmagi screwed up the numbering...
6: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132975
7: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136376
8: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142969
9: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147236
10: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150549
10+1: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152630
XII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155491
XIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157809
XIV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159943
XV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167840
XVI: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163546
XVII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172636
XVIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177656
XIX: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10025844
XX: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186561
XXI: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194272
XXII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200544
XXIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205631
XXIV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208646
XXV: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213652
XXVI: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220121
XXVII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225732
XXVIII: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229401
XXIX: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247083

Other Threads of Note:
ChHa TF2 Server Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200755) - Here we try to arrange evenings of gaming, and plan our weekly semi-competitive 6v6 matches.
General Gaming Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224383) - Exactly what it says on the tin.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 12:54 AM

Wow, there's a tf2 trading spreadsheet? Is that current?

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 01:15 AM

Wow, there's a tf2 trading spreadsheet? Is that current?

I'm not sure if people have taken down stuff they no longer have, so no.

kpenguin

2012-08-24, 01:19 AM

Boooooooo. I demand Triscuitable Bares All.

super dark33

2012-08-24, 03:40 AM

Hot medic on heavy action was not taken?

OR WAS IT?!

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 03:44 AM

Boooooooo. I demand Triscuitable Bares All.

The mod's word is law. I must obey. I need a nude avatar now.

Hot medic on heavy action was not taken?

OR WAS IT?!

It was deemed not completely unsafe for work, but not safe for work, either. I'm a student, and teachers check what sites we browse. I can just say "oh, it's a thread on games", but if they see "Hot Medic on Heavy Action!", what'll they think?

Archonic Energy

2012-08-24, 03:57 AM

It was deemed not completely unsafe for work, but not safe for work, either. I'm a student, and teachers check what sites we browse. I can just say "oh, it's a thread on games", but if they see "Hot Medic on Heavy Action!", what'll they think?

that you are into some weird TF2 Cosplay stuff... :smallamused:

Tri, you still after Dreadmor?

Trixie

2012-08-24, 04:51 AM

Awww, I liked SFW one :smallfrown:

memnarch

2012-08-24, 06:45 AM

Meh, I'm just gonna keep editing the title in my posts whenever I post here.

Fluff & Napalm

2012-08-24, 07:08 AM

Works for me.

Neftren

2012-08-24, 08:10 AM

I still think this thread should have been 'Triscuitable Bares All'. :smalltongue:

shadow_archmagi

2012-08-24, 10:25 AM

quick lets post pictures of ample bosoms so that Triscuitable gets in trouble and we can change the thread name back

that is how things work right

Maxios

2012-08-24, 10:53 AM

It was deemed not completely unsafe for work, but not safe for work, either. I'm a student, and teachers check what sites we browse. I can just say "oh, it's a thread on games", but if they see "Hot Medic on Heavy Action!", what'll they think?

That it's a very amusing joke. Who goes on the internet in school anyway?

Mattarias, King.

2012-08-24, 11:02 AM

quick lets post pictures of ample bosoms so that Triscuitable gets in trouble and we can change the thread name back

that is how things work right

Good idea! Ahmergerhd behwbees (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/30IxWRahRi0/0.jpg)!

:smalltongue:

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 11:32 AM

Good idea! Ahmergerhd behwbees (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/30IxWRahRi0/0.jpg)!

:smalltongue:

I should sue!

blackfox

2012-08-24, 11:42 AM

Meh, I'm just gonna keep editing the title in my posts whenever I post here.Likewise, it's far better. :smallyuk:

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 11:55 AM

So is it common to be banned off the official servers by the players on them? Tried to play Mann Up and the players on the servers I join kick me off before 1 minute passed pass. On the official servers. That I had to pay money to play on.

Oh well back into the 10 minute queue.

Science Officer

2012-08-24, 12:37 PM

So I think it was Tavar that wanted to play some E.Y.E. co-op? I guess that might have gotten lost at the bottom of the last thread.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 12:38 PM

Gaelbert

2012-08-24, 12:45 PM

Wow, there's a tf2 trading spreadsheet? Is that current?

There is, but recently a massive controversy (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/yk9ji/psa_i_believe_the_tf2_pricing_spreadsheet_at/) has been rocking the trading world, centred around the spreadsheet and its owners.

@V: Oh. That makes more sense. I don't know of any controversy about that trading spreadsheet.

Strife Warzeal

2012-08-24, 01:19 PM

There is, but recently a massive controversy (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/yk9ji/psa_i_believe_the_tf2_pricing_spreadsheet_at/) has been rocking the trading world, centred around the spreadsheet and its owners.

I think he's referring to the giantitp trading page thing-a-ma-jig.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 01:33 PM

I think he's referring to the giantitp trading page thing-a-ma-jig.

I did.

On the tf2 blog spreadsheet, I don't get the controversy at all. The admin made a profit with a few keys once and only once. The admin also gives away 3 keys a day to random people. For full disclosure I admit I have won one of the key giveaways.

The competing pricing guide is garbage. So the admin of the competing site promotes this controversy and gets more traffic to his site.

And, more importantly, both sites seem to have about the same pricing guides, and they are only guides. They are starting places for a fluctuating value. They also can prevent people (like me) from giving away an unusual hat for a $5 game.

On another topic, apparently it is common to be kicked off of the official Mann Up servers, repeatedly, with no warning, and with spurious reasoning. 30 minutes in the queue, gone.

Gaelbert

2012-08-24, 02:49 PM

I did.

On the tf2 blog spreadsheet, I don't get the controversy at all. The admin made a profit with a few keys once and only once. The admin also gives away 3 keys a day to random people. For full disclosure I admit I have won one of the key giveaways.

The competing pricing guide is garbage. So the admin of the competing site promotes this controversy and gets more traffic to his site.

And, more importantly, both sites seem to have about the same pricing guides, and they are only guides. They are starting places for a fluctuating value. They also can prevent people (like me) from giving away an unusual hat for a $5 game.

On another topic, apparently it is common to be kicked off of the official Mann Up servers, repeatedly, with no warning, and with spurious reasoning. 30 minutes in the queue, gone.

Originally, I actually didn't have much of a problem with the whole affair. It seemed like people were overreacting. But then when the admin came in to explain things, he lied about a number of details. He claimed that his alternate accounts were friends, and then made up a story when he was called out on it. The fact that the admin is acting so evasive about it all makes me think he has something to hide.

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 03:06 PM

Likewise, it's far better. :smallyuk:

Keeping in mind:

Nobody volunteered to post the new thread.
It was a holdover from the last thread.
It had as many votes as the other.
It's still the title of the thread (see above).

Enjoy the thread. For the love of God, it's the TITLE OF A PLACE WHERE YOU TYPE WORDS. It's not a novel. If you want to have a different title, fine, post the next thread. But this title manages to be subtle and funny, while still keeping in with what is barely a theme to begin with.

Fax Celestis

2012-08-24, 03:46 PM

Originally, I actually didn't have much of a problem with the whole affair. It seemed like people were overreacting. But then when the admin came in to explain things, he lied about a number of details. He claimed that his alternate accounts were friends, and then made up a story when he was called out on it. The fact that the admin is acting so evasive about it all makes me think he has something to hide.

I have a hard time trusting anyone who's English is so poor. It's rather Anglocentric of me, I'll admit, but it's true.

I've been using TF2 Warehouse recently: its primary advantage is that you can cut out the middle man entirely.

Maxios

2012-08-24, 03:52 PM

Keeping in mind:

Nobody volunteered to post the new thread.
It was a holdover from the last thread.
It had as many votes as the other.
It's still the title of the thread (see above).

So quit your bitching, and enjoy the thread. For the love of God, it's the TITLE OF A PLACE WHERE YOU TYPE WORDS. It's not a novel. If you want to have a different title, fine, post the next thread. But this title manages to be subtle and funny, while still keeping in with what is barely a theme to begin with.

There's no need to get rude about it.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 04:52 PM

I've been using TF2 Warehouse recently: its primary advantage is that you can cut out the middle man entirely.

I use the WH a lot as well. To be more accurate it replaces the middleman with a bot.

It has it's own problems, such as an inability to trade new items in, and an odd credit system resulting in too much selling and not enough buying, leading to a -50% inflation rate of the credits (if everyone cashed out all their credits, they can only buy half of the inventory's value) and a terrible overstock.

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 05:00 PM

There's no need to get rude about it.

I'm just offended that everyone's changing their post titles to something else as some sort of rebellion.

EDIT: Everyone wins. :smallbiggrin:

Maxios

2012-08-24, 05:16 PM

The people like what the people like.
On the new title: I prefer my dirty-but-actually-clean-title.

super dark33

2012-08-24, 05:43 PM

So I think it was Tavar that wanted to play some E.Y.E. co-op? I guess that might have gotten lost at the bottom of the last thread.

Ach!
i could play with you, but i cant now.

Gaelbert

2012-08-24, 06:04 PM

i46, the first intercontinental LAN between Europe and North America, is going on right now. You can view it here on Vanilla TV (http://www.twitch.tv/vanillatv), or here on Seanbud's (http://www.twitch.tv/seanbud) (an invite level scout) stream. Vanilla TV is having some technical difficulties, so it might be better to tune into Seanbud and Co. He managed to get some of the top shoutcasters, so that's a plus.

But anyways, you should watch because the community pooled together $20,000 to send the two top American teams to LAN. This is the first time we'll be able to see how the top North American style matches up against the top European style. The Americans have been tearing it up so far (yet to drop a round, I believe), but it's just in the early group stages so that doesn't mean much.

Scuzzball

2012-08-24, 06:10 PM

The tf2 spreadsheet stuff: Reading the stuff, the admin is not good at truths. Also makes stuff up. Claimed he had to pay server upkeep and upgrades. NOTICE THE .blogspot ENDING. That **** is free. FREE. You got to blogspot, and ask for a blog and they give you a blog. You pay nothing.
Some people suggested this: http://backpack.tf/
It's cool, but has a small community, so prices can be farther off than one would hope. It should give an idea of where the price should be at most. No more.

y: its primary advantage is that you can cut out the middle man entirely.
It's fairly overpriced, and has the problems Forbiddenwar mentioned, and the people in their IRC aren't the nicest. But they have the most cool system ever and I want their bots.
They have a program that talks to the steam servers, pretending to be steam, and functions. That is how it works. If you can tell me that is not mindblowingly cool, you are a silly.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 07:06 PM

It's fairly overpriced.

Overpriced is an odd choice of words, Since if an item is high in cost when buying it, it is also high in cost when selling it. Perhaps the prices do not seem accurate for some items in relation to others when compared to the spreadsheet or the backpack.

They have a program that talks to the steam servers, pretending to be steam, and functions. That is how it works. If you can tell me that is not mindblowingly cool, you are a silly.

If you think that is cool, this will blow your mind. Bots that can craft (tf2scrap.com)
Which is very useful is you want to get rid on that spare demo weapon now and not have to wait for another spare demo weapon to drop. Also, unlike the warehouse, it's free. There is no 10% cut, only a cap of 10 weapons you can trade. Also the reverse scraping is nice and free (after the one time cost of 4 scrap), if you suddenly need 2 brass beasts for the heavies that joined in MvM without one.

Edit: Okay, I gave the Backpack explorer a second chance. It is a really nice tool. I especially like the part where is says the value of my backpack ($391) That makes me feel better about those keys I bought.

Trixie

2012-08-24, 07:20 PM

I think he's referring to the giantitp trading page thing-a-ma-jig.

This.

On the tf2 blog spreadsheet, I don't get the controversy at all. The admin made a profit with a few keys once and only once. The admin also gives away 3 keys a day to random people. For full disclosure I admit I have won one of the key giveaways.

And this. If after months of snooping, the worst thing they can pin on him is profiting 1 key once on extremely new, uncertain item, they can't pin anything at all.

So quit your bitching, and enjoy the thread. For the love of God, it's the TITLE OF A PLACE WHERE YOU TYPE WORDS. It's not a novel. If you want to have a different title, fine, post the next thread. But this title manages to be subtle and funny, while still keeping in with what is barely a theme to begin with.

Be glad you don't make threads on... Let's say another part of the GitP :smalltongue:

BTW, the proper term is Defenestration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration). We can call this First_Defenestration of GitP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague#First_Defenestration_of_ Prague) :smallbiggrin:

I use the WH a lot as well. To be more accurate it replaces the middleman with a bot.

Is it reliable? :smallconfused:

I don't want to feed a lot of items into in and see they're gone. Plus, they overprice keys and such :/

The tf2 spreadsheet stuff: Reading the stuff, the admin is not good at truths. Also makes stuff up. Claimed he had to pay server upkeep and upgrades. NOTICE THE .blogspot ENDING. That **** is free. FREE. You got to blogspot, and ask for a blog and they give you a blog. You pay nothing

He does have a point net developers and their time aren't free, though.

Some people suggested this: http://backpack.tf/
It's cool, but has a small community, so prices can be farther off than one would hope. It should give an idea of where the price should be at most. No more.

After seeing BMOC conspiracy earlier this year it's about last site I'd trust, especially seeing admin openly said he ignores community vote when he feels like it.

Triscuitable

2012-08-24, 07:30 PM

BTW, the proper term is Defenestration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration). We can call this First_Defenestration of GitP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague#First_Defenestration_of_ Prague) :smallbiggrin:

I am aware of this. I considered it, but I figured "Defenestration of titles" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 07:33 PM

Is it[tf2warehouse] reliable? :smallconfused:

I don't want to feed a lot of items into in and see they're gone. Plus, they overprice keys and such :/

It has many security features to insure you get credit for what you trade in, including an active administration who refund credits really quickly (like within an hour) if you file a report with evidence.

Just, for the love of god, check your safety word. Since you are basically giving your items to a stranger and the safety word is the main method to determine whether or not is is one of the true bots, and not just a scammer. There are other methods as well.

Also, see above comment on overpricing. I found that the key price is very accurate, about 2.5 refined for a key. although when it comes to buying vs selling (and you have to do both in order to use the warehouse fully) that 10% cut is what hurts you.

After seeing BMOC conspiracy earlier this year it's about last site I'd trust, especially seeing admin openly said he ignores community vote when he feels like it.

What BMOC conspiracy? Is there no pricing guide untainted by scandal?

Fax Celestis

2012-08-24, 07:44 PM

After seeing BMOC conspiracy earlier this year it's about last site I'd trust, especially seeing admin openly said he ignores community vote when he feels like it.

Pretty sure the guy who runs backpack.tf said something pretty much to the opposite.

Neftren

2012-08-24, 07:48 PM

Back when I was trading regularly, I mostly ignored the spreadsheet prices. If you regularly trade, you tend to meet some of the same people again and again. I've got a few on my friends list, so if I'm looking to pricecheck, I just ask them.

That, and a lot of the high level trading seems to be done within private circles (word of mouth between some of the wealthier traders).

Trixie

2012-08-24, 08:21 PM

If you think that is cool, this will blow your mind. Bots that can craft (tf2scrap.com)
Which is very useful is you want to get rid on that spare demo weapon now and not have to wait for another spare demo weapon to drop. Also, unlike the warehouse, it's free. There is no 10% cut, only a cap of 10 weapons you can trade. Also the reverse scraping is nice and free (after the one time cost of 4 scrap), if you suddenly need 2 brass beasts for the heavies that joined in MvM without one.

Hm, it sounds like simple scrapbank? :smallconfused:

I wonder, can you buy any weapon there?

It has many security features to insure you get credit for what you trade in, including an active administration who refund credits really quickly (like within an hour) if you file a report with evidence.

Just, for the love of god, check your safety word. Since you are basically giving your items to a stranger and the safety word is the main method to determine whether or not is is one of the true bots, and not just a scammer. There are other methods as well.

Also, see above comment on overpricing. I found that the key price is very accurate, about 2.5 refined for a key. although when it comes to buying vs selling (and you have to do both in order to use the warehouse fully) that 10% cut is what hurts you.

Ah. Nice to hear. Still, last time I checked they demanded 50 weapons (2.77) which 2-4 scrap higher than real human outside of scammers will do.

What BMOC conspiracy? Is there no pricing guide untainted by scandal?

This (http://tf2spreadsheet.blogspot.com/2012/04/bmoc-and-ebeneezer-pricing.html). Basically, big effort of rare item holders to artificially drive the price up by fake trades. And Spreadsheet actually reported it, and fought concerted effort to bias the price - something Backpack can't handle by definition.

Pretty sure the guy who runs backpack.tf said something pretty much to the opposite.

"If I see community vote I think suspect, I ignore it" when someone asked him about situations like above. So, their 'community' vote is an illusion and/or can be driven by one guy with lost of proxies.

Back when I was trading regularly, I mostly ignored the spreadsheet prices. If you regularly trade, you tend to meet some of the same people again and again. I've got a few on my friends list, so if I'm looking to pricecheck, I just ask them.

There's way too much items on the market now for that, and a single human is going to be much more error-prone or partial, IMHO...

That, and a lot of the high level trading seems to be done within private circles (word of mouth between some of the wealthier traders).

If you mean unusuals, it's something that doesn't concern 99% of players (or even traders) and can't be found on sheets anyway...

Neftren

2012-08-24, 08:27 PM

There's way too much items on the market now for that, and a single human is going to be much more error-prone or partial, IMHO...

If you mean unusuals, it's something that doesn't concern 99% of players (or even traders) and can't be found on sheets anyway...

That's why I have several humans to talk to and ask. :smallbiggrin:

Unusuals, Promos, etc. There's a lot of high frequency trading going on with regular hats though. What I used to do is trade Hat A for Hat B and have them toss a scrap in for free. Then I trade Hat B for Hat A, and get another scrap thrown in. Rinse and repeat. :smallbiggrin:

Fax Celestis

2012-08-24, 08:33 PM

"If I see community vote I think suspect, I ignore it" when someone asked him about situations like above. So, their 'community' vote is an illusion and/or can be driven by one guy with lost of proxies.

He also submits his own corrections for voting instead of just setting a value like the TF2S guy.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-24, 08:44 PM

Hm, it sounds like simple scrapbank? :smallconfused:

I wonder, can you buy any weapon there?

If they have it to sell, yes. at 2 weapons per scrap, far better than most traders.

Ah. Nice to hear. Still, last time I checked they (Warehouse) demanded 50 weapons (2.77) which 2-4 scrap higher than real human outside of scammers will do.

okay, I did the math. Key prices are set at 49.777777778. so, you're right. On the other hand Warehouse is 24/7 and you don't have to haggle. So you pay for convenience.

Tavar

2012-08-24, 09:57 PM

Ach!
i could play with you, but i cant now.

Cool. Know when you would be able to?

Maeglin_Dubh

2012-08-24, 11:58 PM

Steam Name is maeglin_dubh

Really want to throw Jarate on some robots.

super dark33

2012-08-25, 09:43 AM

Cool. Know when you would be able to?

Today probably, and after the 27th only on fridays.

Neftren

2012-08-25, 10:29 AM

Count me in if you're playing!

super dark33

2012-08-25, 12:08 PM

Appearently we are not, becuase my little brother wants to play his dumb tf2 servers.

I really hate these Surf_ and Achv_ servers.

Science Officer

2012-08-25, 03:12 PM

Ach!
i could play with you, but i cant now.

Well, add me when you can. Steam name is Unnamed Protagonist.
Avatar is the same as the one here.

Fawkes

2012-08-25, 03:27 PM

Tavar

2012-08-25, 09:10 PM

So, tried doing EYE multiplayer, but it seems to be extremely difficult to set it up unless you have a dedicated server, and both of the public servers are set to master difficulty, making those a bit hard as well.

Neftren

2012-08-25, 09:12 PM

Appearently we are not, becuase my little brother wants to play his dumb tf2 servers.

I really hate these Surf_ and Achv_ servers.

Ah. That's too bad. I could host a server, but you guys would have to VPN in, unless I figure out a way to convince my school to give me more than just Port 80.

Tavar

2012-08-25, 09:34 PM

VPN?

Might work better, in any case.

Science Officer

2012-08-25, 09:51 PM

Yeah, I could see that working. Well, maybe.

Man, E.Y.E. is such a strange game. I'd nearly forgotten how strange it was. Also pleased to learn I can grind brozoufs in side/special missions. On my first playthrough I unlocked 1 gun, and no implants/powers due to lack of funds.

Volatar

2012-08-25, 10:07 PM

So my dad and I have been playing Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. I was trying out the new race in an 8 player game (him, me, and six AI's) when all of a sudden this massive aircraft comes out of no where, and drops a single bomb that destroyed a while third of my base and took my commander down to 2% hp.

Then it came back around for another pass. :smalleek:

That's the first time an AI has beaten me in an RTS since AI War. I am impressed.

Ow.

Tavar

2012-08-25, 10:07 PM

My main beef is the respawn mechanic. Needs to be on a much, much longer timeframe.

So my dad and I have been playing Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. I was trying out the new race in an 8 player game (him, me, and six AI's) when all of a sudden this massive aircraft comes out of no where, and drops a single bomb that destroyed a while third of my base and took my commander down to 2% hp.

Then it came back around for another pass. :smalleek:

That's the first time an AI has beaten me in an RTS since AI War. I am impressed.

Ow.
Y U always play games I like after I uninstall them?

Eledragon

2012-08-26, 12:16 AM

So... I really enjoy Awesomenauts, but I have no friends to play with as of now. Anybody have Awesomenauts and want to play? I main Lonestar and Voltar and newb around as Gnaw.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-26, 12:36 AM

So... I really enjoy Awesomenauts, but I have no friends to play with as of now. Anybody have Awesomenauts and want to play? I main Lonestar and Voltar and newb around as Gnaw.

Memnarch and I play occasionally. I main Voltar, mainly due to its similarities to a TF2 medic (run away!)

Volatar

2012-08-26, 12:50 AM

Y U always play games I like after I uninstall them?

Get a bigger hard drive? :smalltongue:

We share a lot of similar taste in games.

Triscuitable

2012-08-26, 01:04 AM

Get a bigger hard drive? :smalltongue:

We share a lot of similar taste in games.

I reinstalled Modern Warfare 3 for GamesRadar's 24-hour marathon yesterday. After ten minutes, I realized that it's nigh-unplayable, unbalanced, and full of really mean-spirited people. Even though my favorite map from the series was ported to it for free, I still ignored it.

Uninstalled.

Tavar

2012-08-26, 01:48 AM

Get a bigger hard drive? :smalltongue:

We share a lot of similar taste in games.

Now if only our schedules synched up enough that playing together was more practical. Supreme Commander is fun, but doing co-opt is even more so.

I should get it installed anyways, since I finally have a dual screen setup to play it 'properly'.

Archonic Energy

2012-08-26, 03:47 AM

blackfox

2012-08-26, 07:38 AM

I'm just offended that everyone's changing their post titles to something else as some sort of rebellion.

EDIT: Everyone wins. :smallbiggrin:Why...? :smallconfused: It's not like we're changing it to [Steam] Thread XXX: Triscuitable is a bad person, we're whining that we prefer the other thread title. My preference for the other thread title has nothing to do you with you.

I will, however, defer to the newest thread title, as it pokes fun at everyone involved in the thread.

Neftren

2012-08-26, 08:29 AM

VPN?

Might work better, in any case.

Yeah I'll see about setting one of those up. I've got to track down the OSX binaries for the TF2 server client. That, or install Linux.

I should probably setup VPN on my other machine then. :smallbiggrin:

Grif

2012-08-26, 09:00 AM

serephrim expermental bomber. nasty little buggers...
generally i prefer cyberan... the hives make building expermentals much quicker...

I hope you had built a ton of T2 AA units or T3 interceptors/AA defenses when they come rolling around. :smalltongue:

shadow_archmagi

2012-08-26, 10:10 AM

I love forged alliance. I highly recommend getting Forged Alliance Forever, since that has all kinds of patches and balance tweaks and also a matchmaking system that still functions (and serves to allow non-steam and steam users to play together)

Grif

2012-08-26, 11:16 AM

Archonic Energy

2012-08-26, 11:27 AM

This interests me, since I only have the Steam version legally.

i legally have both... however since the "incident" i can only install the steam version as my DVD drive doesn't appreciate splintered disks being inserted into it.

Neftren

2012-08-26, 12:32 PM

So I'm looking to pick up Guild Wars 2, but since it's not on Steam (as I was hoping it might), would anyone be interested in a switcheroo of sorts? I've got a number of valuables in my TF2 inventory...

Scuzzball

2012-08-26, 12:57 PM

Ah. That's too bad. I could host a server, but you guys would have to VPN in, unless I figure out a way to convince my school to give me more than just Port 80.

You can host TF2 on port 80. Just need to have the clients connect to port 80. Contact me on steam for help on that, or google it.
Edit:
Start it like this:
./srcds_run -game tf -autoupdate -port *SOME PORT!* -maxplayers 24 +map cp_badlands

Neftren

2012-08-26, 01:11 PM

You can host TF2 on port 80. Just need to have the clients connect to port 80. Contact me on steam for help on that, or google it.
Edit:
Start it like this:
./srcds_run -game tf -autoupdate -port *SOME PORT!* -maxplayers 24 +map cp_badlands

Well, server network traffic is monitored, and the sysadmins don't like it when people run video game servers out of dorm rooms. :smallbiggrin:

Scuzzball

2012-08-26, 03:18 PM

Well, server network traffic is monitored, and the sysadmins don't like it when people run video game servers out of dorm rooms. :smallbiggrin:

Ask nicely? Might work.

Fax Celestis

2012-08-26, 03:52 PM

Well, server network traffic is monitored, and the sysadmins don't like it when people run video game servers out of dorm rooms. :smallbiggrin:

Invite the sysadmins. One of them has to play TF2.

Triscuitable

2012-08-26, 03:58 PM

Invite the sysadmins. One of them has to play TF2.

Most people who play games on their PC their parents bought them for high school play TF2. This is just something I learned about after I started attending my current school.

Mando Knight

2012-08-26, 04:02 PM

Most people who play games on their PC their parents bought them for high school play TF2.

Given the game itself is free from the largest PC game digital distribution system in operation, the qualifier isn't really necessary.

Neftren

2012-08-26, 04:11 PM

Ask nicely? Might work.

I'll give it a shot. Well, here, I'll send in the Firewall request after dinner, and then we can see about setting the server up. If I get a scolding email, well...

Invite the sysadmins. One of them has to play TF2.

Haha! Well, my school Team Fortress 2 club had a server up for a while, but all the admins graduated. I'll see if I can take over the server. I'm just not sure whether it's running on rented hardware or on Student Union hardware.

Scuzzball

2012-08-26, 04:33 PM

It's pretty easy to run it off a spare box someone has, just do that.

Neftren

2012-08-26, 05:00 PM

It's pretty easy to run it off a spare box someone has, just do that.

Well, my problem isn't hardware. I've got a perfectly serviceable extra laptop here. I'll go get the binaries after dinner.

Triscuitable

2012-08-26, 05:03 PM

Given the game itself is free from the largest PC game digital distribution system in operation, the qualifier isn't really necessary.

Yeah, but I tend to come to class in the morning and see three people with HP laptops (ugh) playing the game. It's nice to see that at least one of them (usually) isn't playing the Pyro.

I joined a server two nights ago. The team had a medic, two heavies, three demomen, two snipers (one was using his SMG exclusively), a spy, two soldiers, and five pyros.

One knew what he was doing (me!), airblasting enemies away from our objective, following up with the Reserve Shooter, and occasionally burning and then critting with the Axtinguisher. I've gotten so much better with the Reserve Shooter, that I don't really bother with the Axtinguisher anymore. Sometimes I'll be assisted by a good scout or sniper who tosses Jarate or Mad Milk at some enemies, and I'll hit them with a Scorch Shot for splash afterburn before closing in and using the Neon Annihilator.

The rest equipped Backburners (the ones that just got nerfed a few patches ago, while the flamethrower got buffed) and W+M1'd. :smallfurious:

Scuzzball

2012-08-26, 05:13 PM

Figured you guys may want to see this, it's a greasemonkey script that puts the penny arcade comic on the same page as the news.
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/142180

Triscuitable

2012-08-26, 05:43 PM

Figured you guys may want to see this, it's a greasemonkey script that puts the penny arcade comic on the same page as the news.
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/142180

Sadly, Google Chrome doesn't allow non-Web Store scripts as of the newest "patch". I'm not too confident in my workaround skills, either.

Gaelbert

2012-08-26, 05:57 PM

Did the pyro's airblast or flamethrower range get extended? I can definitely tell the damage was buffed (their flames melt through my scout like butter), but it also seems like I'm getting hit from a little further away. That could just be my frustration though.

Also, TF2 isn't running very well for me. I'm getting a fairly stable FPS rate, between 30-80 depending on the map, but I'm also getting video stutters a lot. It's frustrating. My internet is working weirdly right now, so it could be the massively unstable ping, but even when the ping is low and stable it's been happening. And my custom HUD broke after the last update, something that hasn't happened before. I reinstalled it and everything, but the font sizes are still messed up and everything is screwy. Since all of these happened after the last update, there may (or may not) be something messed up that caused all of these problems. Advice?

Edit: One more thing. The link between these two parts is that the item server is down a lot for me, even when it isn't for other people. That means I can't use my Mad Milk and the afterburn kills me more often than I would like.

Mtg_player_zach

2012-08-26, 06:41 PM

Does anyone play Dungeon Defenders. I have extra stuff laying about my tavern if anyone wants. PM me.

Neftren

2012-08-26, 06:52 PM

Gah!!! Invisible Post Bug has struck again!

On the subject of Dungeon Defenders, I haven't played it yet. I assume it's loads of fun, and you guys will play it with me? *nudge nudge wink wink*

Strife Warzeal

2012-08-26, 07:01 PM

Gah!!! Invisible Post Bug has struck again!

On the subject of Dungeon Defenders, I haven't played it yet. I assume it's loads of fun, and you guys will play it with me? *nudge nudge wink wink*

I have a few low level characters (sub 20 I think), and a few high powered characters(70s), if you like a quick boost through the low levels. I enjoy the game greatly.

Like always: Id is afro1109

Neftren

2012-08-26, 07:03 PM

I have a few low level characters (sub 20 I think), and a few high powered characters(70s), if you like a quick boost through the low levels. I enjoy the game greatly.

Like always: Id is afro1109

I went ahead and added you. I'm installing the game now, so it'll probably take a while before I can actually play.

Mtg_player_zach

2012-08-26, 08:48 PM

I went ahead and added you. I'm installing the game now, so it'll probably take a while before I can actually play.

I can play some. I can also get you to (near) end-game in like no time.

Edit: I'm gonna play some Now-ish.

Mando Knight

2012-08-26, 09:41 PM

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-26, 09:44 PM

So I'm enjoying Deus Ex, but I've gotten a little stuck. I want to get out of the apartments in china without being seen, but the guards seemed to have phased within the walls so they can see and shoot me, but I can't see them without x-ray vision, nor can I take them out. Any tips? I tried to go in the ducts, but the phased guards see me in there as well.

Mattarias, King.

2012-08-26, 10:03 PM

In honor of the new title...

（╯°□°）╯︵ sǝlʇıʇ

memnarch

2012-08-26, 10:18 PM

Triscuitable

2012-08-26, 10:48 PM

In honor of the new title...

（╯°□°）╯︵ sǝlʇıʇ

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（╯°□°）╯︵
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_________|__sǝlʇıʇ______________________

Now with defenestration! :smalltongue:

So I'm enjoying Deus Ex, but I've gotten a little stuck. I want to get out of the apartments in china without being seen, but the guards seemed to have phased within the walls so they can see and shoot me, but I can't see them without x-ray vision, nor can I take them out. Any tips? I tried to go in the ducts, but the phased guards see me in there as well.

Are you completely undetected? Or are they alert? If you're actively jogging about, they will hear you. Also, don't waste your money on the x-ray vision augment. Your minimap is just fine. Just put more points into that.

Fawkes

2012-08-26, 11:18 PM

_________|
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http://ponycraft.net/wp-content/forum-image-uploads/dj-v0rt3x/2012/08/Clap.gif

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-26, 11:37 PM

Are you completely undetected? Or are they alert? If you're actively jogging about, they will hear you. Also, don't waste your money on the x-ray vision augment. Your minimap is just fine. Just put more points into that.

A) The game is pretty easy, even as a ghost pacifist hacker. I'm already gotten what I wanted and now I'm buying things like parachute.

B)I'm glad I did get X-ray, otherwise I would have never known the guards were in the walls, because the mini map doesn't show where they are (in the wall) but shows them next to the wall.

C)I was able to take some of them down by save spamming. There are very small areas that allow me to take down the guard by noclip through the wall and doing the take down animation. Guess when the guards turned off collision detection, they turned it off for everyone. Just in this one area though.

Gaelbert

2012-08-27, 12:21 AM

Selling some TF2 weapons for one weapon apiece if anyone's interested. I'd also be willing to buy a boston basher or a strange scattergun off someone if anyone's selling.

Cow Mangler
Righteous Bison
Crusader's Crossbow
Widowmaker x2
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Pomson

I'll keep this updated if I remember.

Profile link. Add me and trade. (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198051697533)

Mtg_player_zach

2012-08-27, 12:30 AM

Mando Knight

2012-08-27, 12:30 AM

Interested in that Scorch Shot.

Gaelbert

2012-08-27, 12:35 AM

Add me and trade. (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198051697533)

Ceric

2012-08-27, 12:40 AM

I have a Boston Basher. Trade for one of the Rocket Jumpers? (Added you. Here's my profile. (http://steamcommunity.com/id/charleee))

Scuzzball

2012-08-27, 07:10 AM

Okay, so greasemonkey is the addon, not sure I actually explained that. There are versions for chrome. What these do, is they allow you to run javascript clientside, so you can change a web page.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dhdgffkkebhmkfjojejmpbldmpobfkfo
That's the first result for "Greasemonkey chrome". That should work.

Neftren

2012-08-27, 08:21 AM

Selling some TF2 weapons for one weapon apiece if anyone's interested. I'd also be willing to buy a boston basher or a strange scattergun off someone if anyone's selling.

Baby Face Blaster
Cow Mangler
Righteous Bison
Crusader's Crossbow
Scorch Shot
Man Melter
Widowmaker x2
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
Pomson

I'll keep this updated if I remember.

Profile link. Add me and trade. (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198051697533)

I'm interested in your Baby Face Blaster, Scorch Shot, Man Melter. Perhaps we can arrange something? My profile is in my signature.

Mattarias, King.

2012-08-27, 10:11 AM

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Now with defenestration! :smalltongue:

:smallbiggrin: You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

kpenguin

2012-08-27, 11:17 AM

_________|
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Now with defenestration! :smalltongue:

I DEMAND THIS BE IN THE FIRST POST.

For glorious hilarity.

Triscuitable

2012-08-27, 01:36 PM

All aboard the defenestration initiation station!

(BTW, there's a bunch of good deals for games on Amazon Game Downloads right now, as their "end of summer" sale).

Fax Celestis

2012-08-27, 01:49 PM

DUDES

http://www.gaslampgames.com/2012/08/27/clockwork-empires-the-press-release/

LOVECRAFTIAN GASLAMP FANTASY CIV/SIM CITY (from the makers of Dungeons of Dredmor)

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-27, 02:24 PM

Jet Set Radio is coming out Sept 19th (http://gamersbench.com/news/jet-set-radio-hd-release-dates-and-pricing-announced/)

And is only $9.99

Okay it might be old news, but I'm excited.

Triscuitable

2012-08-27, 02:58 PM

Jet Set Radio is coming out Sept 19th (http://gamersbench.com/news/jet-set-radio-hd-release-dates-and-pricing-announced/)

And is only $9.99

Okay it might be old news, but I'm excited.

I think this also includes Crazy Taxi.

Neftren

2012-08-27, 03:51 PM

DUDES

http://www.gaslampgames.com/2012/08/27/clockwork-empires-the-press-release/

LOVECRAFTIAN GASLAMP FANTASY CIV/SIM CITY (from the makers of Dungeons of Dredmor)

Okay, I saw your post, went "eh, meh, sounds cool" and then saw the preview in Google Reader (via PC Gamer) and went "zomg I have to have this game."

MUST HAVE

The art style kind of reminds me of Tropico 2 actually.

Tavar

2012-08-27, 04:28 PM

Silverraptor

2012-08-27, 07:12 PM

This explains everything!
http://www.massivepwnage.com/comics/2012-08-27.jpg

Science Officer

2012-08-27, 10:49 PM

Hey, the parachute augment is totally sweet. Fall damage in DE:HR is positively brutal.

Triscuitable

2012-08-27, 11:08 PM

Hey, the parachute augment is totally sweet. Fall damage in DE:HR is positively brutal.

It also saves you a lot of effort (dodging two mobile sentries, a half-dozen guards, and four-plus security cameras, all on a very small walkway area in Shanghai. Doing so also gives you some loot.

So yeah, it's worth it.

watsyurname529

2012-08-27, 11:22 PM

DUDES

http://www.gaslampgames.com/2012/08/27/clockwork-empires-the-press-release/

LOVECRAFTIAN GASLAMP FANTASY CIV/SIM CITY (from the makers of Dungeons of Dredmor)

My opinion of this:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72c9vYSLJ1qdqmgjo1_1280.jpg

This. Times 10. Or more. I absolutely can not wait.

shadow_archmagi

2012-08-28, 06:05 PM

Really good RTS games are so few and far between that I predict that an RTS sold entirely on "Atmosphere" will in fact be awful, no matter how psyched I am for the concept.

Fax Celestis

2012-08-28, 06:48 PM

Really good RTS games are so few and far between that I predict that an RTS sold entirely on "Atmosphere" will in fact be awful, no matter how psyched I am for the concept.

Perhaps this will help?

http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/clockwork-empires-a-preview-of-gaslamp-games-lovecraft-laden-steampunk-city-builder/

Volatar

2012-08-28, 10:19 PM

Hello everyone! How many of you play Blacklight? How many of you have expressed a desire for a ChHa or GitP clan in Blacklight, but balked at the $10 price?

Well fear no more, clans are half price right now, and even better, I am willing to go to bat and make the clan happen. I'm just a little tight on cash though, so I am hoping I can get a couple people to pitch in a dollar or two to help out. If four people put in $1, (or two put in $2) via paypal, I'll be able to make this happen.

Anyone? PM me.

Silverraptor

2012-08-28, 10:49 PM

Tavar

2012-08-28, 10:54 PM

Silverraptor

2012-08-28, 10:59 PM

It's a first person shooter. Honestly, I'm not too thrilled with it, though I think that's mainly from my computer being bad enough that I can't really play: from my view I'm emptying whole clips of ammunition into people without them dying, and I'm dying to only a few bullets.

Oh, I could tell that it FPS. But what I don't know is where the $10 Volitar mention comes from when its free to play?

hobbitkniver

2012-08-28, 11:17 PM

Oh, I could tell that it FPS. But what I don't know is where the $10 Volitar mention comes from when its free to play?

I've never even looked at the game, so I might be wrong, but it sounded like the money is for an in-game guild startup fee.

Volatar

2012-08-28, 11:32 PM

Oh, I could tell that it FPS. But what I don't know is where the $10 Volitar mention comes from when its free to play?

It's a free to play high lethality FPS with an aesthetic often compared to DX:HR and really nice graphics (DX11 support!). I love it.

They make money by selling cosmetic stuff and faster access to side grade weapons and equipment. It's the Tribes: Ascend F2P model with a few improvements. Clans are among those cosmetic things they charge for.

Silverraptor

2012-08-28, 11:51 PM

It's a free to play high lethality FPS with an aesthetic often compared to DX:HR and really nice graphics (DX11 support!). I love it.

They make money by selling cosmetic stuff and faster access to side grade weapons and equipment. It's the Tribes: Ascend F2P model with a few improvements. Clans are among those cosmetic things they charge for.

Ah. So I can join the clan free of charge?:smallsmile:

Volatar

2012-08-29, 12:10 AM

Ah. So I can join the clan free of charge?:smallsmile:

Yep. Just a startup fee.

super dark33

2012-08-29, 01:15 PM

Poker night at the inventory: looks like a gun and hilarious game, AND it gives tf2 items!

if i only could have means to pay for it...

Maxios

2012-08-29, 01:18 PM

Is there a mod for New Vegas that adds a new preset character appearence that's the default male in Fallout 3?

Triscuitable

2012-08-29, 01:38 PM

Poker night at the inventory: looks like a gun and hilarious game, AND it gives tf2 items!

if i only could have means to pay for it...

They're all untradable reskins.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-29, 02:18 PM

So the Dark Souls game is out? What do people think of it?
With it's no keyboard and mouse controls, locked to 30 fps and 720p, and requiring 2 different drms to be running concurrently in order to run, one of which is Game for Windows Live. And it looks better on an eight year old computer.

In short, why would anyone buy it on PC for $40? Unless you have an eight year old computer, of course.

Maxios

2012-08-29, 02:24 PM

You can't play it with a keyboard and mouse? Yeah, TotalBiscuit is going to have a field day with this

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-29, 03:29 PM

You can't play it with a keyboard and mouse? Yeah, TotalBiscuit is going to have a field day with this

Apparently it's not distinguishable from the Xbox version. It is as good as the Xbox game. Which means it's not the worst port, I guess.

Just plug in your controller and sit 10 feet away from your monitor. And install Steam and GFWL on your box, if you haven't already.

And pay $40 instead of $12.99 for the game. And whatever you paid for your computer compared to a $120 Xbox 360. And pay an extra $45.00 for the Xbox only PC controller.

Hmm, maybe I should just buy an Xbox or PS3. Is Dark Souls good enough to buy an Xbox or PS3 just for that one game?

Volatar

2012-08-29, 04:04 PM

Well, no one seems to play Blacklight anymore other than Trisc and me.

So, I did what any sane person would do and went ahead with the clan anyways. :smallredface: Anyone that wants an invite just needs to catch me online.

And pay an extra $45.00 for the Xbox only PC controller.

Someone was trying to rip you off. You can get one for $25

Bayar

2012-08-29, 04:22 PM

I keep seeing people mention x-box controllers in steam threads. What's wrong with a cheaper brand ? Like Thrustmaster ? Mine works fine after ten years of use. And I doubt I paid more than 10-15 $ back in the day.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-29, 04:23 PM

Someone was trying to rip you off. You can get one for $25

Amazon. I never had an interest in getting an Xbox controller, so I just went to Amazon to see what the price was.

I keep seeing people mention x-box controllers in steam threads. What's wrong with a cheaper brand ? Like Thrustmaster ? Mine works fine after ten years of use. And I doubt I paid more than 10-15 $ back in the day.

Some games require an X-box brand controller and won't recognize any other. At least those games recognized the keyboard and mouse.

Volatar

2012-08-29, 04:36 PM

These are the controller I have. (http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/accessories/gamestop-xbox-360-controller/43229) I only use them for PC gaming.

Some games require an X-box brand controller and won't recognize any other. At least those games recognized the keyboard and mouse.

I have never heard of that before in my life, and I love hanging around in Microsoft bashing circles. I don't think that is correct. Got any info on the matter?

Fax Celestis

2012-08-29, 04:46 PM

Thrustmaster

I copyrighted that term back in college! It was my nickname! All the ladies called me that! I'm going to go file a frivolous lawsuit, become fabulously wealthy, and live the new American dream!

Eledragon

2012-08-29, 04:53 PM

I have never heard of that before in my life, and I love hanging around in Microsoft bashing circles. I don't think that is correct. Got any info on the matter?

Uhm...using special PS3 controller drivers, I will say that a fair majority of the games I play (Awesomenauts, Dungeon Defenders, a few others) actually only work with a 360 controller and nothing else (save mouse/key).

Volatar

2012-08-29, 04:57 PM

Uhm...using special PS3 controller drivers, I will say that a fair majority of the games I play (Awesomenauts, Dungeon Defenders, a few others) actually only work with a 360 controller and nothing else (save mouse/key).

He wasn't talking about that though, he was talking about Generic 360 controller vs Official Microsoft XBox Brand 360 controllers.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-29, 05:13 PM

He wasn't talking about that though, he was talking about Generic 360 controller vs Official Microsoft XBox Brand 360 controllers.

Was I?
I do know that I have one game on my Steam account that only recognizes Microsoft Brand X-box 360 controllers and nothing else (besides Keyboard and Mouse). Mini Ninjas(which by the way, other than this problem, was an amazing port).

Now there is a hack that involves rewriting your OS registry codes to make it think your joystick is an official X-box brand controller, but if downloading hacks and installing them as registries make you nervous . . . then use a Keyboard and Mouse. Or, on topic, in the case of Dark Souls, Buy the brand name controller, since you can't use the keyboard and mouse.

I have seen other games that say they require a X-box brand controller but don't. But after Mini Ninjas, I'm wary on what it says on the box. If someone says, Yes I own Dark Souls and it works for this controller that you own, then great.

Triscuitable

2012-08-29, 05:37 PM

Apparently it's not distinguishable from the Xbox version. It is as good as the Xbox game. Which means it's not the worst port, I guess.

Just plug in your controller and sit 10 feet away from your monitor. And install Steam and GFWL on your box, if you haven't already.

And pay $40 instead of $12.99 for the game. And whatever you paid for your computer compared to a $120 Xbox 360. And pay an extra $45.00 for the Xbox only PC controller.

Hmm, maybe I should just buy an Xbox or PS3. Is Dark Souls good enough to buy an Xbox or PS3 just for that one game?

Dark Souls is $50 on the consoles. Not only that, but an Xbox 360 runs you $300 for a decent model with a hard drive (any cheaper, and you get 4GB of flash memory). The PC controllers can be bought for $25-30, and third party wired controllers are even cheaper than that.

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-29, 05:58 PM

Dark Souls is $50 on the consoles. Not only that, but an Xbox 360 runs you $300 for a decent model with a hard drive (any cheaper, and you get 4GB of flash memory). The PC controllers can be bought for $25-30, and third party wired controllers are even cheaper than that.

I guess that's what I get for getting my prices from amazon, where it shows X-box 360 for $120 and Dark Souls for $12.99.

Mando Knight

2012-08-29, 05:59 PM

I copyrighted that term back in college! It was my nickname! All the ladies called me that! I'm going to go file a frivolous lawsuit, become fabulously wealthy, and live the new American dream!

Hm. So apparently, it is what she said. :smalltongue:

Triscuitable

2012-08-29, 09:34 PM

Hm. So apparently, it is what she said. :smalltongue:

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. :smallamused:

Fax Celestis

2012-08-29, 09:35 PM

Hm. So apparently, it is what she said. :smalltongue:

:smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin:

Fan

2012-08-29, 09:57 PM

Just as a note for everyone who trades / buys keys from the store from time to time to buy items they like.

I'm selling keys at a 1.30 USD, currency conversion fees are on you guys, a big apology to our friends in Austrailia and Europe, but Paypal is a nasty witch of a currency system, even though your currency is technically more. Save yourself a couple bucks every 2 or so keys, I get monies, you get your items.

Alternatively, everything in my backpack (http://tf2b.com/tf2/76561198025289277)is for sale, minus the balloonicorn, the fast learner, the jefe, and my capacitors (because my name wouldn't be worth much without the largest collection of Capacitors in the game. =V).

Not sure if anyone has unusuru monies here. XP

Forbiddenwar

2012-08-29, 10:13 PM

Fan

2012-08-29, 11:31 PM

I'm surprised how quickly botkiller weapon prices hit the bottom. 5 refined isn't enough to cover the cost of 6 tickets needed to unlock it. wow. I was considering buying a wrench when the price stabilized, but now I wonder if I should wait a month and see if it drops further.

Eh, they're just flooding the market right now. Their price will probably even out because they are 100% gettable, but I never see golds falling below a bills.

Mando Knight

2012-08-29, 11:38 PM

I'm surprised how quickly botkiller weapon prices hit the bottom. 5 refined isn't enough to cover the cost of 6 tickets needed to unlock it. wow. I was considering buying a wrench when the price stabilized, but now I wonder if I should wait a month and see if it drops further.

It's 6 tickets, minus the projected value of what each mission will earn you (one random weapon each, a decent-ish chance at a hat, plus an additional weapon per Surplus Voucher, which in my experience averages at like .75-1.0 per game...

factotum

2012-08-30, 01:57 AM

Amazon. I never had an interest in getting an Xbox controller, so I just went to Amazon to see what the price was.

An XBox controller is a pretty useful thing to have, I find, and not just for badly-written PC ports. Driving games are so much easier when you have analogue control of both steering, throttle and brake, for example (and no, a joystick doesn't really work well for that because it doesn't feel as natural as using one trigger for brake and one for accelerate). I actually played GTA4 entirely with an XBox controller because the driving is so much better that way--yes, the shooty sections are maybe a little harder, but you do more driving than shooting in GTA anyway (at least the way *I* play it :smallwink:).

Triscuitable

2012-08-30, 02:39 AM

Played Left 4 Dead 2 on my friend's Xbox. It was in split-screen co-op with him, and also the first time I've used a controller in maybe eight months. Lemme just say it was impossible for me to enjoy that way, and I sucked at using an analog stick.

Volatar

2012-08-30, 11:27 AM

An XBox controller is a pretty useful thing to have, I find, and not just for badly-written PC ports. Driving games are so much easier when you have analogue control of both steering, throttle and brake, for example (and no, a joystick doesn't really work well for that because it doesn't feel as natural as using one trigger for brake and one for accelerate). I actually played GTA4 entirely with an XBox controller because the driving is so much better that way--yes, the shooty sections are maybe a little harder, but you do more driving than shooting in GTA anyway (at least the way *I* play it :smallwink:).

I play Just Cause 2 with BOTH. I keep the controller on my leg and pick it up whenever I hop into a vehicle, and switch back when I leave the vehicle.

Triscuitable

2012-08-30, 01:40 PM

I play Just Cause 2 with BOTH. I keep the controller on my leg and pick it up whenever I hop into a vehicle, and switch back when I leave the vehicle.

Ingenious. I use a controller for SSF4:AE, but that's the extent of it. If I had a stick, I'd use that.

Mando Knight

2012-08-30, 01:43 PM

I can't imagine playing Sonic Generations without a controller...

factotum

2012-08-30, 04:04 PM

I play Just Cause 2 with BOTH. I keep the controller on my leg and pick it up whenever I hop into a vehicle, and switch back when I leave the vehicle.

Actually, I find most things you do in Just Cause 2 are easier with the controller...about the only exception is shooting things. Doing hookshots off high buildings, though? Controller all the way. :smallsmile:

I actually wonder where the almost-hatred you hear for console controllers from some PC gamers comes from. They seem to forget that you couldn't actually play the original Doom (or Quake, for that matter) with a mouse unless you used some strange and arcane console commands, and that a joystick was a necessary peripheral for PC gaming for ages--heck, you couldn't play TIE Fighter without one, it didn't give you the option! As I recall, the first "action" game I ever used a mouse for was Quake 2, which was, what, 1997?

Triscuitable

2012-08-30, 04:19 PM

I can't imagine playing Sonic Generations without a controller...

I can. I had the Sonic 3 PC port that came with Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Volatar

2012-08-30, 04:25 PM

Actually, I find most things you do in Just Cause 2 are easier with the controller...about the only exception is shooting things. Doing hookshots off high buildings, though? Controller all the way. :smallsmile:

I actually wonder where the almost-hatred you hear for console controllers from some PC gamers comes from. They seem to forget that you couldn't actually play the original Doom (or Quake, for that matter) with a mouse unless you used some strange and arcane console commands, and that a joystick was a necessary peripheral for PC gaming for ages--heck, you couldn't play TIE Fighter without one, it didn't give you the option! As I recall, the first "action" game I ever used a mouse for was Quake 2, which was, what, 1997?

Shooters are considered "better" on a M&K (and ARE better when facing people with controllers). RTS's, 4X's, MMO's, and (standard, ie: on a RTS engine) MOBA's all are pretty much impossible without a mouse and keyboard.

Plus, people don't like buying an extra accessory to play games. They like the mouse and keyboard they already have.

Silverraptor

2012-08-30, 04:32 PM

I haven't used my playstation controller since starwars battlefront came out. Ever since then, every game I've played has been with mouse and keyboard.
...
>.>
<.<
...What? Why are you all staring at me like that?

Mando Knight

2012-08-30, 06:43 PM

I can. I had the Sonic 3 PC port that came with Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Then I don't know if you've ever played Generations, because that is a whole other beast, particularly as Modern Sonic.

Dublock

2012-08-30, 09:28 PM

Then I don't know if you've ever played Generations, because that is a whole other beast, particularly as Modern Sonic.

I have to agree. I have played Sonic 3 and the others and I do have generations.

I have to use the controller to do well with modern sonic, its just a different style of game that makes the keyboard unintuitive

Triscuitable

2012-08-30, 09:46 PM

I can't be the only person with a "busted" version of Gotham City Imposters: Free to Play in their Library.

Fax Celestis

2012-08-30, 09:59 PM

I've got one too, wtf.

Gamerlord

2012-08-30, 09:59 PM

I can't be the only person with a "busted" version of Gotham City Imposters: Free to Play in their Library.
It appears many people have the same thing (Warning: Steam Forums, expect no intellect) (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1336) in their Library, myself included.

Triscuitable

2012-08-30, 10:13 PM

I actually hope they have a cross between GFWL and Steam, like Arkham City. Considering that Batman game had both, it's safe to say so does this one. It's nice for me, since I already set up GFWL on this machine, have no issues with using it, and like being able to chat with my Xbox friends (including close friends who don't have phones).

factotum

2012-08-31, 01:37 AM

Shooters are considered "better" on a M&K (and ARE better when facing people with controllers). RTS's, 4X's, MMO's, and (standard, ie: on a RTS engine) MOBA's all are pretty much impossible without a mouse and keyboard.

Plus, people don't like buying an extra accessory to play games. They like the mouse and keyboard they already have.

Oh, I know all that...the point I was making is that this is a relatively recent development, and that all-keyboard control or requiring additional peripherals to play games used to be standard in the PC gaming world. Admittedly, that's probably because mice didn't really become standard fitment to PCs until the early 90s!

Volatar

2012-08-31, 08:18 AM

I can't be the only person with a "busted" version of Gotham City Imposters: Free to Play in their Library.

I had just assume my sister had installed it or something.

I actually hope they have a cross between GFWL and Steam, like Arkham City. Considering that Batman game had both, it's safe to say so does this one. It's nice for me, since I already set up GFWL on this machine, have no issues with using it, and like being able to chat with my Xbox friends (including close friends who don't have phones).

They completely abandoned and stripped GFWL out of the game and replaced it with Steamworks when they made the switch to F2P on Steam.

Fax Celestis

2012-08-31, 09:18 AM

I'm just surprised how it appears to be installed. I don't recall pushing any buttons to do that.

Eledragon

2012-08-31, 09:40 AM

I'm just surprised how it appears to be installed. I don't recall pushing any buttons to do that.

It's a bug. Looking around on the Steam forums, you just have to restart Steam and it will be uninstalled and ready to be installed.

Neftren

2012-09-01, 08:11 AM

I can't be the only person with a "busted" version of Gotham City Imposters: Free to Play in their Library.

Oh... hahaaa, I was wondering about this actually. I couldn't recall ever installing the game, yet it was in a jump list. I wonder what would happen if I clicked on it...

Eledragon

2012-09-01, 09:07 AM

I wonder what would happen if I clicked on it...

From what I saw, it would say that you were converting to a new file format and just download the game in the background.

Triscuitable

2012-09-01, 11:50 AM

Well, I downloaded the game (for real), and I was pleased to find it's the same game (as in the exact same game) with better matchmaking, and the option to pay for unlocks instead of getting them when you level up.

The most obvious attempts at money are the mascots, which cost between $3-5, resemble Batman Heroes/Villains/Anti-Villains, and are noted by the game itself that they make you a more obvious target!

Oh well, it's absolutely oozing with personality, customization is very fun, and level ups are quick (I played maybe 2 hours, and was already level 20 by the end of it, having unlocked everything I needed to place in the top 3 by level 10). Now I just unlock stuff for the hell of it, and cosmetics.

Oh, and getting around is a lot of fun, too. You can equip roller-skates, which let you move around quickly (and sprint twice as fast) at the cost of sliding around instead of standing still, a glider that can lift you off by flying over air vents, spring-shoes, a grapple gun, and double-jump shoes (they have beach balls that inflate in mid-air to let you do so, for some reason).

So yeah, there really isn't a reason not to play it. Unless you don't want to.

Scuzzball

2012-09-01, 08:08 PM

Anyone want a SMITE closed beta key?

Kris Strife

2012-09-01, 08:47 PM

Anyone want a SMITE closed beta key?

Me! :smallbiggrin:

Edit: Thanks! :smallbiggrin:

Xapi

2012-09-01, 10:34 PM

Hey guysm I just thought I'd ask here since this thread is usually a lovely place, did anyone happen to get an extra copy of Medieval 2: TW gold while it was on sale?

And would that person be willing to trade said copy to me for any of the games in my inventory (Cogs, Alien Breed: Impact, Half Life 2 Episode 2 and Magickas DLC -Vietnam and the stars are left-) or for some other game I could pick up for about 5 dollars or less?

I've recently learned that there's some cool mods for that game that I'd love to try out.

Gamerlord

2012-09-02, 07:06 AM

So, the Black Mesa Source website now has a countdown on it that goes up to September 14th. (http://www.blackmesasource.com/)
I can't get access to their forums because the site's servers have been murdered, but I have heard from second-hand sources it will contain the release of the game up to Lambda Core.
Also, it releases at 8:47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHeTpqOeJBc&feature=youtu.be&t=20s) MST. Nice touch. :smallamused:

Dublock

2012-09-02, 07:12 AM

So, the Black Mesa Source website now has a countdown on it. (http://www.blackmesasource.com/)
I can't get access to their forums because the site's servers have been murdered, but I have heard from second-hand sources it will contain the release of the game up to Lambda Core.
Also, it releases at 8:47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHeTpqOeJBc&feature=youtu.be&t=20s) MST. Nice touch. :smallamused:

Nice!

Also I got a TF2 question, the RNG God blessed me with a Mann Co. Orange paint can, and without looking through all sorts of models, what looks good with it? I kinda want to use it since I found it.

Castel

2012-09-02, 09:30 AM

Also I got a TF2 question, the RNG God blessed me with a Mann Co. Orange paint can, and without looking through all sorts of models, what looks good with it? I kinda want to use it since I found it.

Ghastly Gibus.

Always use any paint you find on your Ghastly Gibus.

Triscuitable

2012-09-02, 10:33 AM

Ghastly Gibus.

Always use any paint you find on your Ghastly Gibus.

I painted my Lo-Fi Longwave. Months later, I figured it's time to go back to classic KritzKast Logo on white.

Scuzzball

2012-09-02, 12:02 PM

So, the Black Mesa Source website now has a countdown on it that goes up to September 14th. (http://www.blackmesasource.com/)

Countdown to all of the DDoS on their site for a few hours.

Fawkes

2012-09-02, 07:54 PM

Tavar

2012-09-02, 09:56 PM

So, regarding TF2, is there anything one can do with duplicate equipment? I have 3 escape plans, and at most I only need one. If there isn't anything constructive to do with them, well, does anyone want one? I'll accept pretty much anything, including nothing.

Dublock

2012-09-02, 10:02 PM

You can craft equipment into scrap metal (and then scrap into reclaimed then refine) which can be used for crafting purposes, the blue prints in crafting can show you what you can make, which is a lot.

Dispozition

2012-09-02, 11:14 PM

Triscuitable

2012-09-03, 12:25 AM

So, now that I'm playing TF2 regularly again, I'm trying to gather up the items I'm missing. If anyone has an extra of any of these weapons, hit me up for a trade:

Pomson 6000
Eureka Effect
Third Degree
Phlogistonator
Cozy Camper
Spycicle
Holiday Punch
Beggar's Bazooka
Scorch Shot
Cleaner's Carbine
Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol
Red-Tape Recorder
Neon Annihilator

Thanks!

I've got a Cleaner's Carbine.

So, regarding TF2, is there anything one can do with duplicate equipment? I have 3 escape plans, and at most I only need one. If there isn't anything constructive to do with them, well, does anyone want one? I'll accept pretty much anything, including nothing.

You can craft equipment into scrap metal (and then scrap into reclaimed then refine) which can be used for crafting purposes, the blue prints in crafting can show you what you can make, which is a lot.

We know about crafting, and we also recognize that it's one of the biggest wastes of items in the game. It's much cheaper to sell weapons for other people's scrap. I recommend you just dump dupes into the TF2 Warehouse if they've got open inventory.

Dirtytabs

2012-09-03, 03:59 AM

Sprinter

2012-09-03, 05:25 AM

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-03, 10:57 AM

We know about crafting, and we also recognize that it's one of the biggest wastes of items in the game. It's much cheaper to sell weapons for other people's scrap. I recommend you just dump dupes into the TF2 Warehouse if they've got open inventory.

I disagree. When it comes to weapon dupes the best use of your time is to turn it into metal. Warehouse generally is overstocked on weapons and finding people willing to trade a weapon for a scrap (twice the price) can be difficult. Unless there is another common weapon you want but don't have, in which case a 1:1 trade makes sense.
However using metal in crafting for either hats or new weapons is a terrible waste and you are better off saving the metal and trading it for things you want. (Price to craft a hat: 3 refined and it's random. Price to buy the specific hat you want in 99% of cases 1-2 refined)

If you can't turn your duplicated weapons into scrap yourself because they are for different classes, you can use tf2scrap.com to do it for you.

But that's just one little bear's opinion.

Dublock

2012-09-03, 11:14 AM

We know about crafting, and we also recognize that it's one of the biggest wastes of items in the game. It's much cheaper to sell weapons for other people's scrap. I recommend you just dump dupes into the TF2 Warehouse if they've got open inventory.

Honestly I took it as a rather basic question and I responded how I thought was appropriate based on the question asked.

Having some scrap can be useful and what better way to do it with basic weapons found? I did not mean to imply crafting hats/new stuff was a great idea.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-03, 05:50 PM

Maeglin_Dubh

2012-09-03, 06:53 PM

I have a vintage football helmet that's apparently worth 9090c on the Warehouse.

Should I trade it in for the credits, or is it sufficiently rare that I should hang on to it for the prestige?

Fax Celestis

2012-09-03, 07:09 PM

Okay, TF2ers. I have (http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/139986): a Chieftain's Challenge, a Respectless Rubber Glove, a Crocodile Smile, an uncraftable Tyrant Helm (painted Zephaniah's Greed), a Black Rose (needs gift wrap), a Dangeresque, Too? (needs gift wrap), a Strange Shortstop, a RIFT hat code, a ton of crates (8x 39, 2x 41, 4x 42, 7x 43, 3x 44, 6x 45), and complete Medic and Engineer Halloween costumes (unhaunted).

I'm looking for a Virtual Reality Headset, a Googly Gazer, and a Pip-Boy (preferably non-Genuine as it'll be cheaper). Anyone want to help me out?

EDIT: updated.

Mando Knight

2012-09-04, 10:32 AM

I have a vintage football helmet that's apparently worth 9090c on the Warehouse.

Should I trade it in for the credits, or is it sufficiently rare that I should hang on to it for the prestige?

Hold onto it until someone gives you an offer for something like a flaming Team Captain.

Also, I, too (http://steamcommunity.com/id/MandoKnight/inventory/), have a Crocodile Smile, as well as a Your Worst Nightmare and a Stealth Steeler. I'm looking mostly for a Pip-Boy or a Tin-1000, though other $7.49 items for the Demoman or Engineer would be appreciated... or some kind of pet.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-04, 11:33 AM

Hold onto it until someone gives you an offer for something like a flaming Team Captain.

:smallconfused:
9,000 credits is not the same as 900,000 credits.
As for trading it into the warehouse, do you think it is worth 2 refined (also 9,000 credits)? Is there something in the warehouse that you want to get?

Dublock

2012-09-04, 11:38 AM

Looking at my Dad's account, my old one (back when I was a minor and lived there :p) I found a few decent things I won't mind having on my own account and a few crates:

7 series have: 4
8 series have: 3
9 series have: 2
27 series have: x1

If they are of any value, I am willing to get him to give them to me (he never touched TF2 so he won't care :P)

Fax Celestis

2012-09-04, 02:57 PM

Volatar

2012-09-04, 08:10 PM

Valve have put a $100 fee on submitting to Greenlight, (http://steamcommunity.com/games/765/announcements/detail/1317556891741839763) money donated to Child's Play.

Crimmy

2012-09-04, 09:53 PM

So... I have 2 crates and no keys. Yay.

And I keep getting Pretty Boys Pocket Pistol and Solemn Vow.

Triscuitable

2012-09-04, 10:37 PM

That pocket pistol is incredibly helpful. Not as effective as the Milkman, but then again, you're not restricted to one useful weapon that lacks ramp-up.

Neftren

2012-09-04, 10:43 PM

Valve have put a $100 fee on submitting to Greenlight, (http://steamcommunity.com/games/765/announcements/detail/1317556891741839763) money donated to Child's Play.

Yeah apparently it was to stop stupid submissions and flooding. I think $100 is a bit steep though.

Triscuitable

2012-09-04, 11:32 PM

Yeah apparently it was to stop stupid submissions and flooding. I think $100 is a bit steep though.

Anyone who has the time to make a game can scrounge together $100. Plus, it's for a good cause. Just find something you were going to buy, don't buy it, and instead put up your game.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-05, 12:45 AM

Anyone who has the time to make a game can scrounge together $100. Plus, it's for a good cause. Just find something you were going to buy, don't buy it, and instead put up your game.

While this a good point, I think it doesn't work for fan made 100% free mods. some of which actually look good.

Alternatively, I suppose you could turn to crowd funding for that hard to get $100, especially if you've made a great mod.

Sprinter

2012-09-05, 06:08 AM

While this a good point, I think it doesn't work for fan made 100% free mods. some of which actually look good.

Alternatively, I suppose you could turn to crowd funding for that hard to get $100, especially if you've made a great mod.

Think you are confusing Steam Workshop with Project Greenlight here.
Worshop is for mods. Project Greenlight is about adding indie games into Steamshop catalog.

Neftren

2012-09-05, 08:06 AM

Anyone who has the time to make a game can scrounge together $100. Plus, it's for a good cause. Just find something you were going to buy, don't buy it, and instead put up your game.

As somebody who works on games in my free time, I can attest that $100 is quite a bit of money for a student production.

Valaqil

2012-09-05, 08:21 AM

As somebody who works on games in my free time, I can attest that $100 is quite a bit of money for a student production.

Yeah. In theory, I can't really disagree with it. "Only" 100$? It goes to charity, not Valve (who obviously have operating costs for this kind of thing)? It's hard to argue against it, but it doesn't sit right with me. 100$ _is_ a lot -and- hard to come by for some people. Students and lower-income folks might be able to produce something but still need to spend every free dollar on necessities.

hobbitkniver

2012-09-05, 08:59 AM

I really don't think the money is a big deal. If you're actually going to sell your game, you can probably spare 100 bucks. Otherwise, just don't use Greenlight, it's not the end of the world.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-05, 10:35 AM

Think you are confusing Steam Workshop with Project Greenlight here.
Worshop is for mods. Project Greenlight is about adding indie games into Steamshop catalog.

:smallconfused:
Why is it then that several of the games I see on Greenlight are Source mods?

Aragehaor

2012-09-05, 11:11 AM

:smallconfused:
Why is it then that several of the games I see on Greenlight are Source mods?

Because several people decided to use Greenlight to try and get their mod on steam as opposed to using steam workshop for some reason.

Trixie

2012-09-05, 11:19 AM

Anyone wants some Mann Up? If so, we're gathering All-GitP team, PM me on Steam...

Volthawk

2012-09-05, 11:31 AM

Anyone wants some Mann Up? If so, we're gathering All-GitP team, PM me on Steam...

Same username on Steam as here, or is it different?

Silverraptor

2012-09-05, 11:34 AM

Eh, I need to reinstall TF2.

Trixie

2012-09-05, 11:34 AM

Currently just T. Follow link in my sig?

Neftren

2012-09-05, 12:03 PM

Anyone wants some Mann Up? If so, we're gathering All-GitP team, PM me on Steam...

On this front, I've arranged to take over my school TF2 server, so I can swap it to any mode or rotation we want (except on Tuesday nights, since that's club night).

I'll have the IP and stuff for you guys sometime this week or next. Waiting on my friend for the information.

Mando Knight

2012-09-05, 12:42 PM

Yeah. In theory, I can't really disagree with it. "Only" 100$? It goes to charity, not Valve (who obviously have operating costs for this kind of thing)? It's hard to argue against it, but it doesn't sit right with me. 100$ _is_ a lot -and- hard to come by for some people. Students and lower-income folks might be able to produce something but still need to spend every free dollar on necessities.

1.) It's an investment... if you make even $0.50 on each game sold, you need only 200 sales to break even. After that, it's all Valve-provided profit.
2.) Loans, jobs, dividing the cost among several contributors, reducing money spent on not-really-necessities... there's lots of ways to come up with $100.
3.) If you get Greenlighted, $100 is a paltry sum given that you just got hooked up with the largest digital distribution system on PC. Just try finding a company that will give you a position in a similarly large market space for less, much less giving that fee to charity rather than their own pockets.

Archonic Energy

2012-09-05, 12:54 PM

Anyone wants some Mann Up? If so, we're gathering All-GitP team, PM me on Steam...

and your steam name is... :smallconfused:
the link in your sig goes to a group and there's no "Trixie" in that group...

unless i'm being dim

Currently just T. Follow link in my sig?
never mind, found you... though you ignored my request... i'll put that down to you being in-game.

Dublock

2012-09-05, 12:55 PM

Greenlight:

I am fine with the $100 because I assume it goes with their purpose of the Greenlight. It isn't a way for any game to get on Steam, but rather a way to let a few games get on Steam without them doing most of the leg work.

The game makers put it on and they have to get the votes to put themselves on Steam.

I suspect they only want a few games per month, if that to get on Steam through this method. Look at the game's rating %, I have seen a few 15% but nothing really higher (granted I looked a lot yesterday, not today) but if on the first few days of this and the highest at 15%? Its a long process with a lot of people needing to push vote.

I really don't think it was designed for games that are side projects, but rather serious games that using this as their first push into a major publishing company, why the limited so much. Also the money does go to a good cause. I have only taken one Business and Law class but would that count as a charity contribution for the game company or Valve? One is getting a tax break, could be used by Valve to help their bottom line :P

Valaqil

2012-09-05, 01:01 PM

1.) It's an investment... if you make even $0.50 on each game sold, you need only 200 sales to break even. After that, it's all Valve-provided profit.
2.) Loans, jobs, dividing the cost among several contributors, reducing money spent on not-really-necessities... there's lots of ways to come up with $100.
3.) If you get Greenlighted, $100 is a paltry sum given that you just got hooked up with the largest digital distribution system on PC. Just try finding a company that will give you a position in a similarly large market space for less, much less giving that fee to charity rather than their own pockets.

I realize it's an investment. Also, I'm pretty sure all of us who regularly read the Steam thread realize it's a big deal to be "hooked up" with them. :smalltongue:

While Kickstarter is a good way to go for some easy crowd-sourcing, finding people willing to give you 100$ hasn't always been easy. I've definitely known people who would have trouble putting 100$ together. You're absolutely right that it could pay off big, but that's still a big IF. IF people see it and vote for it. IF Steam Greenlights it. IF it sells well after that. You have to take a risk somewhere to make money, but it's not insignificant or spare change.

I'm not against cutting down on the spam. They needed to handle the mess in a hurry. But why not 10$? Or 20$? Or some other method that also makes sense? I could pay it, so could many people, but it doesn't feel like a good number to me.

Aragehaor

2012-09-05, 01:18 PM

I realize it's an investment. Also, I'm pretty sure all of us who regularly read the Steam thread realize it's a big deal to be "hooked up" with them. :smalltongue:

While Kickstarter is a good way to go for some easy crowd-sourcing, finding people willing to give you 100$ hasn't always been easy. I've definitely known people who would have trouble putting 100$ together. You're absolutely right that it could pay off big, but that's still a big IF. IF people see it and vote for it. IF Steam Greenlights it. IF it sells well after that. You have to take a risk somewhere to make money, but it's not insignificant or spare change.

I'm not against cutting down on the spam. They needed to handle the mess in a hurry. But why not 10$? Or 20$? Or some other method that also makes sense? I could pay it, so could many people, but it doesn't feel like a good number to me.If you get Greenlighted, you probably already have far more then the 200 proposed buyers needed to recoup your losses at the previously mentioned profit, so it selling well wont really be an issue.

If you think your game isn't capable of being Greenlighted - then im not entirely sure why you would put it on Greenlight if it was less money.

It may not be insignificant or spare change, but its also less then the price of the computer you no doubt used to make your indie game on by several hundred. If you could save up for the computer i expect you'd manage the hundred dollars.

Moreover, 10$ or 20$ wouldn't be enough to deter all spam entries. Nor would it be enough to deter low level modders who try to get their mod on Greenlight.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-05, 02:30 PM

While Kickstarter is a good way to go for some easy crowd-sourcing, finding people willing to give you 100$ hasn't always been easy.

Not sure if you seen what happens on kickstarter or know how it works. A game developer must already have a demo, videos and screenshots in order to have a chance at GreenLight. Put the same up on kickstarter with a funding level on $110. Rewards: $1 for beta access or $10 for the full game available on download and Steam (if greenlighted), or some other stuff (stickers perhaps?) Even the smallest indie group I've seen was able to raise $2,300 for their game. $100 should be small potatoes. Kickstarter gets their cut. Child's Play get their cut and you game goes up. Win, Win, Win. And if you get more than $100 it's a stronger indicator of the success you might have on greenlight. Everyone likes a bandwagon, put that in your greenlight advert.

If you can't get $100 from Kickstarter or indigogo, there's no way you will be able to get the game greenlighted on Steam with the same material (video, picks, demo)

Triscuitable

2012-09-05, 04:55 PM

I really don't think the money is a big deal. If you're actually going to sell your game, you can probably spare 100 bucks. Otherwise, just don't use Greenlight, it's not the end of the world.

Exactly; if you think your game is really worth it, you'll share it with everyone you know, your Twitter followers, Facebook, Tumblr, etc. When you put up the $100, it shouldn't be a problem.

On another note, living in Seattle paid off. Friend of mine hit PAX up on Sunday, and grabbed a LoL lanyard for me, along with a Halo 4 ONI patch. I also returned home last night to find I won a contest from Future US. Inside was a Capcom branded lanyard with the Super Street Fighter IV cast on the side (in MegaMan sprite style!), facing their rivals. It's really, really cool.

Aragehaor

2012-09-05, 09:32 PM

Completely unrelated to any of the current discussion: But.

Does anyone want a free crusader kings II Ruler Designer steam key? it should still work as i have not used it.

Failing that, I do have the full game of Cogs (http://store.steampowered.com/app/26500/) and a 75% off coupon for portal 2 that I'm more then willing to give away.

Crimmy

2012-09-05, 10:26 PM

Triscuitable

2012-09-05, 10:45 PM

Also completely unrelated: I am a terrible Sniper in TF2. I am somewhat decent as a demoman. And can get around for more than 2 minutes as Spy.

It's clear my calling is with those characters whose biggest trait is NOT being accurate.

I think I'm expecting too much of myself. I've only played one week.

Get the Machina for the Sniper. You'll have to rely on a full charge, and you will need the SMG (or Cleaner's Carbine, though I believe the SMG is a better choice) for close-quarters combat. The Machina on a full charge can OHK most weaker classes with a shot to the torso. If it has <150 HP, it's done for. You'll get better, and the incentive to take down bigger targets (a fully charged headshot on a Heavy is also an OHK, as long as he isn't overhealed) will have you clicking on heads. This may also make you want to play with the Ambassador as well. It's handy if you know what to do.

Crimmy

2012-09-05, 10:49 PM

I have the cleaner's. The Machina, nope. I must also add that I do not usually buy things for the game (read: almost never). So most of my items are all achievements, or so I think.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-05, 11:08 PM

I must also add that I do not usually buy things for the game (read: almost never). So most of my items are all achievements, or so I think.

You also get a free item for every hour or so of gameplay, capping at 9-10 a week. people tend to trade those items easy, but you can only do this if you've bought at least one item from the store to upgrade to premium account.
Do not ever buy a weapon, nearly every weapon in the game drops randomly. Just be patient and play a lot.

Triscuitable

2012-09-05, 11:48 PM

You also get a free item for every hour or so of gameplay, capping at 9-10 a week. people tend to trade those items easy, but you can only do this if you've bought at least one item from the store to upgrade to premium account.
Do not ever buy a weapon, nearly every weapon in the game drops randomly. Just be patient and play a lot.

It's every 30-70 minutes, eleven items a week, resets 10AM PST on Thursday.

If I can get one, I'll give it to you.

Crimmy

2012-09-06, 12:09 AM

Thanks a lot. I didn't know all that.

If not a weapon, what would you guys suggest? A hat? A plush Archimedes?

Triscuitable

2012-09-06, 12:19 AM

Thanks a lot. I didn't know all that.

If not a weapon, what would you guys suggest? A hat? A plush Archimedes?

Keys. Then sell them when they become tradeable for refined so you can get the stuff you really wanted for it. Those starter packs aren't half bad, either. Two weapons and a hat.

Nerocite

2012-09-06, 12:33 AM

I've been internet-less for 2 weeks, and would be interested in doing Mann-up.

Volatar

2012-09-06, 07:36 AM

I've been internet-less for 2 weeks, and would be interested in doing Mann-up.

Hah. I am not sure anyone wants to play that anymore.

Volthawk

2012-09-06, 07:39 AM

Hah. I am not sure anyone wants to play that anymore.

There was a game arranged yesterday, so...

Science Officer

2012-09-06, 08:02 AM

There is still more MvM that I would like to play.

Mando Knight

2012-09-06, 08:56 AM

I am a ticket shy of completing my Tour...

Maeglin_Dubh

2012-09-06, 09:21 AM

Also completely unrelated: I am a terrible Sniper in TF2. I am somewhat decent as a demoman. And can get around for more than 2 minutes as Spy.

It's clear my calling is with those characters whose biggest trait is NOT being accurate.

I think I'm expecting too much of myself. I've only played one week.

Alternatively, get the Sydney Sleeper. A little over a second of charge, and you apply Jarate to the target. You might not rake in the kills, but letting your team-mates minicrit all over someone's urine-soaked face is still a major contribution.

And if you charge all the way (it charges faster than other rifles, incidentally) you still deal solid damage and can one shot wounded people and some of the more fragile classes.

(I went on an unprecedented killing spree with my Sleeper the other night, surprising my friend who figured I would only get assists.)

Archonic Energy

2012-09-06, 09:23 AM

i'm intrested in a mann up game. i even have a squad voucher to spend.

Volthawk

2012-09-06, 09:46 AM

i'm intrested in a mann up game. i even have a squad voucher to spend.

Yeah, same here. I tried to get in the game that was planned last night, but my computer really did not want me to play in that game.

Dublock

2012-09-06, 11:32 AM

I will be willing to join in the Mann Up game. I have little experience with MvM, but I bet I can still be a help :smallsmile: (Most confident with Heavy, Medic and Engineer).

I doubt I can do it today, but Friday-Sunday I should be able to (I love College :smallbiggrin:)

Thufir

2012-09-06, 12:22 PM

(a fully charged headshot on a Heavy is also an OHK, as long as he isn't overhealed)

Fixed that for you.

Lunix Vandal

2012-09-06, 02:09 PM

To stave off the mindless anticipation of "z0mg Borderlands 2 goes live in 12 days," I checked the Steam Store frontpage.

The Crysis collection for 75% off? Nice.
Trine collection for 75% off? Nifty!
Trine collection being cheaper than buying only the parts of it I don't already have? #SWAG.
*Checks email*
Torchlight 2 releases on the 20th?!?!

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Volatar

2012-09-06, 02:33 PM

Torchlight 2 releases on the 20th?!?!

Two weeks until life comes to a screeching halt.

Trixie

2012-09-06, 03:48 PM

Triscuitable

2012-09-06, 04:38 PM

To stave off the mindless anticipation of "z0mg Borderlands 2 goes live in 12 days," I checked the Steam Store frontpage.

...:smalleek:
...:smallfrown:
...:smallsigh:
...:smallannoyed:

Really? I'm out of money and the game I've been waiting for for years comes out just on the eve of my sixteenth? C'mon.

Crimmy

2012-09-06, 04:38 PM

Well, I haven't Mann'd up yet, so I don't know how harder it is (but I assume it's a lot harder).

The starters packs do look nice. I think it's high time I bought something.
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Borderlands 2, Trine, Crysis... damn, all that free time will be spent

Triscuitable

2012-09-06, 04:41 PM

Fixed that for you.

In addition, depending on ramp-up (which increases the further you are, unlike the shotgun, which is the reverse), you can deal between 148-201 damage on a full-charge bodyshot. Basically, all but the Heavy or an Eyelander-wielding Demoman will stand a full-charge bodyshot.

A headshot? Full-charge? 500+ damage, with ramp up. Add-in the penetration, and you've got a great Heavy-Pocket Medic takedown gun.

Mando Knight

2012-09-06, 05:19 PM

Well, I haven't Mann'd up yet, so I don't know how harder it is (but I assume it's a lot harder).

Manning Up doesn't increase the difficulty... unless you only play on the Easy missions otherwise. Boot Camp's six Advanced missions are the same as Mann Up Mode's missions, only they're free and don't get you loot at the end.

Thufir

2012-09-06, 05:42 PM

In addition, depending on ramp-up (which increases the further you are, unlike the shotgun, which is the reverse)

That's nt ramp-up, it's just random damage spread. Sniper Rifles have no ramp-up (Or fall-off).

Trixie

2012-09-06, 05:59 PM

Those starter packs aren't half bad, either. Two weapons and a hat.

Um... They are completely terrible, actually. Worth almost a key in $, worth maybe 1/5 of that in game items. But, if you don't care about never reselling these...

Crimmy

2012-09-06, 06:05 PM

Well, Trixie, you also have to take into accout that I'm practically vanilla with all classes.

Aragehaor

2012-09-06, 06:31 PM

Um... I would be interested in one? :<

Seeing as how no one else wants any of it i think its safe to say you can have whichever one you want!

A small warning though that i forgot to mention about the portal 2 coupon - it expires by September 14th, so if that's going to be a problem for you i can only say I'm sorry to have gotten your hopes up. :smallfrown:

If you still want it(assuming you ever wanted it) or any of my other offered items. Feel free to add me on steam, (Unless you just wanted the steam key for ruler designer, i could tell you that via PM now if that's what you wanted.)

My steam name is Alienstickmen - if that doesn't work it may also be under alienfire1 - if that fails then I'll have to either PM you my email or add you instead.

Triscuitable

2012-09-06, 06:38 PM

Um... They are completely terrible, actually. Worth almost a key in $, worth maybe 1/5 of that in game items. But, if you don't care about never reselling these...

If you like customization options and important weapons for a class, then it's good for impatient types.

Neftren

2012-09-06, 06:48 PM

Well, Trixie, you also have to take into accout that I'm practically vanilla with all classes.

Still not worth it. If there's a weapon you want, I probably have a dupe of it, or could acquire any weapon in the game for little to no effort. :smalltongue:

Ceric

2012-09-06, 07:37 PM

Honestly, vanilla is probably best to start off with. None of the weapons (except for Medic melee weapons) are straight upgrades to the stock weapons.

Dispozition

2012-09-06, 08:13 PM

Honestly, vanilla is probably best to start off with. None of the weapons (except for Medic melee weapons) are straight upgrades to the stock weapons.

Eeeeeven then most of them aren't. The ubersaw is likely the only one that is, and even then the bonesaw has it's place. I still run with the needlegun rather than bluts in most cases (:

I would say the degreaser/axetinguisher combo is a straight upgrade though, purely because of sheer damage output possible with it.

Forbiddenwar

2012-09-06, 08:23 PM

Gaelbert

2012-09-06, 08:26 PM

Eeeeeven then most of them aren't. The ubersaw is likely the only one that is, and even then the bonesaw has it's place. I still run with the needlegun rather than bluts in most cases (:

I would say the degreaser/axetinguisher combo is a straight upgrade though, purely because of sheer damage output possible with it.

Neither of those are "straight upgrade." A straight upgrade has an improvement without any sort of disadvantage to offset it. The two examples I can think of (although I know there are a few more) are the Amputator and the Third Degree.
The amputator has the exact same stats as the standard bonesaw, with the addition of a taunt that can heal multiple allies at once. The Third Degree has the same stats as the Fire Axe, but damages any medic healing your target.
Interestingly enough, neither of the "straight upgrades" are frequently used. The Amputator taunt is so situational and makes you so vulnerable that there's almost never any point to using it instead of the ubersaw or the vita-saw. The only conceivable reason for using it is the healing regen you get as part of its set, not because the taunt itself is particularly useful.
With the Third Degree, you're better off with the degreaser/axetinguisher combo in nearly every case due to the vastly increased damage potential. However, neither the axetinguisher nor the degreaser can properly be called "straight upgrades" even though they're used by almost all players almost all of the time. The degreaser has a reduction in afterburn damage, and the axetinguisher deals no random crits or something trivial like that.

With very few exceptions, the vanilla weapons will provide you with the best results in the most likely situations. They also generally have higher skill ceilings, a plus if you intend to get into competitive play or even if you just want to get better.