Some Help on Thinking on how to make this work ?

[silverwolfer]

Okay so the rules

No MOI,TOB,Dragon,Third Parties, NO DIVINE MAGIC

Optimization Level 1 Being Commoner 10 being pun pun I would like around a 6 (( So just below a pure druid))


I am planning this sort of mix of Telling the Future, Face of Party, and Divination magic.

My goal is not to be a+ at any one thing but a mix of B to b- and the things I just listed. ((So Tier..2.5?))

So far I have fiddled with 1 Rog/1 binder/5 Diviner(Wizard) unsure if I will go into unseen seeker prc, or animist mage.


Ideas Behind Logics......


The Rog splash gives me the sneak damage + trap picking. Which leads into unseen seer, boosting my diviner and keeping up my sneak attack + skills. Also because, I do not want to waste my gold/spells on knock knock items or against traps.

Binder is for the Social face Naberius, with a improved binding to also get Malphas for the bird and all the wonderful side benefits. With the possibility of continue this with anima mage.


Diviner... is well sort of just the characters aspect, future telling steal the shiny. My banned school is necromancy, so no major harm. I do plan on getting spontaneous divination for my 5th level in diviner. ((either way this will continue to level up no matter the prc))

When not using magic or wands, I plan on using a crossbow, and if using malphas, taking advantage of the poisons.


I have not a clue on my feats yet, but I am using a 32 point buy , and max health per HD.

Any suggestions or ideas, would be much appreciated. IF anything does not make sense, as some have commented on. Please feel free to ask, and I will and make a better example.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Illumian (Krau/anything), Beguiler 1/ Wizard 4/ Ultimate Magus 10/ (full casting) 5. Use two flaws, get Able Learner, Versatile Spellcaster, Practiced Spellcaster: Beguiler, and any metamagic feat by 5th level. Between Krau and Practiced Spellcaster, you'll be able to put all ten UM levels toward Wizard. Your Beguiler class skill list plus Able Learner (Illumians are Humanoid (Human) after all) plus being an Int-SAD build you'll be able to keep max ranks in quite a few skills. You can use Versatile Spellcaster to spend two Beguiler spell slots of equal level to cast any spell you know of one level higher, which includes Wizard spells you've learned, and it also gives you early access to the next higher level of the Beguiler class spell list.

Those last five levels can be just about anything you want that still advances your Wizard spellcasting. You can get a fifth Wizard level for Spontaneous Divination or a Domain Power. You can dip a level of Mindbender and pick up Mindsight. You can put a few Incantatrix levels there to get some real ultimate power behind your buffs (and move up to about an 8/10). I'd probably just throw on some Paragnostic Apostle, since it shouldn't take anything extra to qualify for. Divine Oracle is also useful, especially for using divinations, and you can get its feat prerequisite via the Frog God's Fane without having to spend a feat on it.

You should probably be a specialist Wizard, unless you can use Domain Wizard. I'd go Conjurer just because it's so useful and it opens up Abrupt Jaunt, but Diviner would work and the familiar replacement UA ability is worthwhile. Consider using the UA variant that uses the Fighter bonus feat list to get Improved Initiative instead of Scribe Scroll.

[silverwolfer]

I really do thank you for your time and effort in responding. I will look into your beguiler suggestion , do you have any suggestions in the way of merging roles, not just going full wizard?


It is not that I don't want to be good, just not tier 1.

[Roguenewb]

Bard. Bard gets a lot more divination magic then you think. Add on Bardic Sage and it gets even better. I'm not sure what PrCs you can boost with, but if you take a little side trip out of the class, Sublime Chord means you still get to finish up casting.

My rec? Bardic Sage 4/Spellthief 1/Unseen Seer 5/Sublime Chord 2/Unseen Seer 5/XXX?

Take master spelltheif in their somewhere. Its a fun seer build type guy.

[silverwolfer]

Hmm intresting ... 16 cha 14 int? (( for a 32 point build))

[Glimbur]

Have you looked in to Factotum from Dungeonscape? They are less good at magic than the builds which have already been posted but they are quite flexible.

[silverwolfer]

Have you looked in to Factotum from Dungeonscape? They are less good at magic than the builds which have already been posted but they are quite flexible.

I did, and overall decided a binder, would offer the same, with a bit more rp flavor.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

I really do thank you for your time and effort in responding. I will look into your beguiler suggestion , do you have any suggestions in the way of merging roles, not just going full wizard?


It is not that I don't want to be good, just not tier 1.

Straight Beguiler would be perfect, if it weren't so lacking in divination magic. You could always go with that build and just not pick the stronger Wizard spells, and focus in divinations, enchantments, and illusions.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Have you considered psychic rogue w/ expanded knowledge for a couple seer powers? psionics does seeing into the future/past way better than magic. There's almost nothing a seer can't figure out in fairly short order.

[silverwolfer]

bardic bard won this



thank you all for your help