Ocean's 11

[Kyberwulf]

So, I was watching the movie again today. A thought occured to me. In the movie, they have to use a "pinch." A EMP device used to shut down the power in the casino. Well, if the Pinch, disables all power sources withen the area of the blast wave. Wouldn't that shut down things like Pacemakers, and the hospitals. So, in essence, wouldn't the team be guilty of killing people?

Just a thought I had that kinda ruined the movie for me.

[Neftren]

So, I was watching the movie again today. A thought occured to me. In the movie, they have to use a "pinch." A EMP device used to shut down the power in the casino. Well, if the Pinch, disables all power sources withen the area of the blast wave. Wouldn't that shut down things like Pacemakers, and the hospitals. So, in essence, wouldn't the team be guilty of killing people?

Just a thought I had that kinda ruined the movie for me.

I think most hospitals have backup generators.

As for the pinch, I don't think it was an EMP device per se. Rather, it just draws so much electricity it causes a blackout.

Well, that's how I understood it anyways.

[Kyberwulf]

The hosptals, yes,... Pacemakers and other devices such as airplanes and the like?

He directly compares it to a Nuke in the movie, a nuke without the Explodie firey death that comes with it.

[Kindablue]

According to the US Army (http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA242990), EMPs are unlikely to disrupt modern pacemakers.

[Kyberwulf]

Yeah, but that is from the goverment. *Que X-Files theme song*
Who trusts them.

[The Glyphstone]

Clearly, the people who wrote O11 do. So you might as well too.

[JadedDM]

The thing is, an EMP wouldn't temporarily disable electronics, it would permanently fry them. That's probably the biggest plot hole in the movie.

[Avilan the Grey]

I think I actually prefer the original.

Because of, you know, the Rat Pack.

[Weezer]

I think I actually prefer the original.

Because of, you know, the Rat Pack.

I dunno if I'd say it was better, but anyone who likes the remake should really watch the original, it's an excellent film.

[Avilan the Grey]

I dunno if I'd say it was better, but anyone who likes the remake should really watch the original, it's an excellent film.

I think my problem is that my suspension of disbelief took a serious hit with that EMP thing, and combined with the silly sequels where they just stopped being serious (holographic eggs??? "Oh I look just like Julia Roberts... funny that") it kind of ruined the first one in retrospect.

[The Succubus]

There are ways to generate an EMP without the use of a nuclear explosion but I imagine that they would be extremely weak and short range. A good example is Goldeneye.

The satalites generate an EMP in the upper atmosphere and through propogation, the resulting EMP blast is much wider and more intense than it would have been had it just been detonated on the ground. I can't remember if Goldeneye uses an electronic system or nuclear system to generate the field though.

But yes, an EMP blast fries unprotected circuits rather than just temporarily disabling them.

[Avilan the Grey]

The satalites generate an EMP in the upper atmosphere and through propogation, the resulting EMP blast is much wider and more intense than it would have been had it just been detonated on the ground. I can't remember if Goldeneye uses an electronic system or nuclear system to generate the field though.

I actually don't think they say. Realistically enough, though, it is a one-shot weapon.

[Weezer]

I think my problem is that my suspension of disbelief took a serious hit with that EMP thing, and combined with the silly sequels where they just stopped being serious (holographic eggs??? "Oh I look just like Julia Roberts... funny that") it kind of ruined the first one in retrospect.

I'll agree that the sequels were completely awful, and that the EMP was quite unrealistic, but I've come to terms with the fact that science in movies will always make my brain hurt, so I've MST3K'd it.

[Zen Monkey]

The emp didn't hurt anyone, just like the exploding death stars somehow didn't contain any innocent janitors or maintenance staff and Batman doesn't kill, despite doing so on camera several times.

[Neftren]

The emp didn't hurt anyone, just like the exploding death stars somehow didn't contain any innocent janitors or maintenance staff and Batman doesn't kill, despite doing so on camera several times.

Well, in a way, the actions of every individual contribute towards the death of another. I could sneeze on a faucet, and the next individual who uses that faucet after me could catch pneumonia and die a horrible death... Granted this is probably a pretty extreme example, but to some extent, I'm satisfied with looking past the "some action I do will inevitably harm another innocent individual" when it comes to films and so on.

[Thinker]

The emp didn't hurt anyone, just like the exploding death stars somehow didn't contain any innocent janitors or maintenance staff and Batman doesn't kill, despite doing so on camera several times.

Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer. Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs. Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino's. The gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart not his wallet.

Thanks Clerks.

[The Glyphstone]

Yeah, but what if the job offer had come with a not-so-veiled hint that refusing would mean an up-close-and-personal conversation with the bottom of a river? The Empire was a dictatorship, it's not unquestionable that the contractors were made an 'offer they couldn't refuse', albeit a well-paying one. [/playingalong]

[snoopy13a]

Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer. Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs. Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino's. The gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart not his wallet.

Thanks Clerks.

Today was supposed to be my day off :smallsmile:

[AdmiralCheez]

I actually let the pinch slide as a plot device. It was a high-tech, sci-fi-ish device that looked cool. What killed it for me was the fact that a university actually commissioned the construction of an EMP bomb. There are really no practical applications for it outside of military use, so what were they planning to do with it? Research for research's sake? Not likely, since they wouldn't want to spend millions of dollars to build a device that would just sit in a locked closet forever.

On the sequels, I thought 12 was just plain silly, but 13 was okay. Not as good as either of the 11's but still somewhat enjoyable. It felt more like a sequel than 12 did.