View Full Version : Base Class Challenge XIII Voting Thread

2012-09-10, 08:42 PM
Welcome to the voting thread for Base Class Challenge XIII, On a Whim (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250826)! Voting will consist of each voter giving a first, second, and third place vote for three separate base classes.

A first place vote is worth three points, a second place vote is worth two points, and a third place vote is worth one point. You may not vote for your own class.

You are encouraged to include reason with your votes, though this is not absolutely required.

The class that ends up with the most points wins the challenge contest. Voting starts now and will continue until 23:59 on September 25th.

1st Place: Cycle Warden, by sirpercival
2nd Place: Dimensional Conduit, by kanachi
3rd Place: Anointed Heritor, by God Imperror

{table=head]Base Class|Author|1st|2nd|3rd|Total Points
Quantum Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13626864&postcount=4)|malonkey1|0|0|1|1
Storyteller Bard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13627690&postcount=5)|Quellian-dyrae|2|1|1|9
Form Shaper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13628979&postcount=6)|TheGeckoKing|0|0|2|2
Necro-Morph (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13638583&postcount=7)|zetsu1919|0|0|1|1
Morphic Claw (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13657196&postcount=9) (Disciplines and Feats (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13657211&postcount=10))|Zaydos|0|0|1|1
Skin Shifter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13664477&postcount=11)|GFawkes|0|1|0|2
Dimensional Conduit (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13678391&postcount=12) (Extras (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13678543&postcount=13))|kanachi|3|3|3|18
Anointed Heritor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13682096&postcount=14) (Ancestral Heroes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13682279&postcount=15)|God Imperror|2|3|2|14
Dark Vessel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13686598&postcount=18)|Derjuin|2|2|1|11
The Persona (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13725782&postcount=19)|GuyFawkes|1|2|2|9
Jack of All Blades (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13733468&postcount=20)|Tavar|1|1|1|6
Mime (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13761970&postcount=21)|Jester of Doom|1|1|1|6
Everready (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13773675&postcount=22)|Techwarrior|0|0|1|1
Cycle Warden (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13790725&postcount=23) (Equinox and Solstice Disciplines (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13790731&postcount=24)) (Revolution Discipline and Extras (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13790931&postcount=25))|sirpercival|6|3|1|25
Awakener (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13872321&postcount=26)|dspeyer|0|1|0|2[/table]

Unfortunately, the squillionaire (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13624972&postcount=3), hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13640156&postcount=8), and visionary (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13683620&postcount=16) (innovations (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13685177&postcount=17)) are ineligible for voting.

2012-09-10, 08:53 PM
1. Storyteller Bard by Quellian-dyrae
2. Dimensional Conduit by Kanachi
3. Form Shaper by the Gecko King

2012-09-10, 08:57 PM
1. Persona by GuyFawkes
2. Skin Shifter by GFawkes
3. Necro Morph by zetsu1919

2012-09-10, 09:40 PM
1 - Anointed Heritor by God Imperror. Lots of customizable options; took a relatively common concept and implemented it quite well. Needs some editing for grammar & clarity.
2 - Dimensional Conduit by kanachi. Awesome idea. The spellcasting version looks strictly superior...
3 - Persona by GuyFawkes. Needs a little bit of editing, but a really really fun idea, and very nice execution.

2012-09-10, 09:51 PM
1-storyteller bard- you did such a good job of giving the flavor text in a way to fully explain your class, and then a summary of everything to make your awesome class easy to use

2-Dark vessel- you did a good evil elemental theme, you made it considerably versatile, and made an elemental class that could freely change between the 4 elements, which is rarely done as well as yours was

3-form shaper- you followed the aspect of change very well, creating a shapeshifter class that was more than just disguises, and could use its shifting abilities to do other things. So good job

And thank you Lohj for being the first person ever to vote on me

2012-09-11, 12:15 AM
Votes tallied.

2012-09-11, 01:25 AM
1st: Cyclic Warden by sirpercival - It's just something new for me, and a very different concept among the submissions, I really want to try and play one.
2nd: Anointed Heritor by God Imperror - There's just a lot of things you could do with it, so that every time you play one, you could make an entirely different character fluff- and mechanics-wise.
3rd: Dark Vessel by Derjuin - The class has overall cohesion, and the concept is different among the submissions as well.

special mentions goes to Dimensional Conduit (had to pick one between this and Anointed Heritor), Storyteller Bard (fluff is nice and overall theme is as well), and Quantum Mage (that pic is just full of win).

Jester of Doom
2012-09-11, 09:16 AM
1st - The Dimentional Conduit by kanachi: I really like what he did with this class. It really does, more than any other submission, let you do anything, it can make good use of other homebrew classes, and the fluff and race are both really awesome.
2nd - Jack of All Blades by Tavar: My favorite martial adept class that I've seen, in the contest and anywhere else, it gives you access to the whole ToB without being broken, no longer will I bemoan having to choose between Iron Heart & Shadow Hand, or anything else that strikes my fancy, instead the martial arts world is my oyster.
3rd - Quantum Mage by malonkey1: As a lover of quantum physics, I couldn't not vote for this. A very well-done class on a very clever concept. Manages to be somewhat humorous while at the same time is fully capable of being taken seriously.

Honourable metions: Storyteller Bard, (or as I like to call it, TVtropes the class) Anointed Heritor, (neat mechanics, interesting fluff) The Persona, (multiple personality disorder never seemed so appealing) and The Squllionaire (removed from voing, but nevertheless one of my favorite entries).

Tanuki Tales
2012-09-11, 10:23 AM
1st - The Cycle Warden by sirpercival. It's something I haven't personally seen before, even with initiator classes. I like the feel and theme of it.
2nd - The Storyteller Bard by Quellian-dyrae. It's a TV tropes class with interesting mechanics. And it made me laugh.
3rd - The Dimensional Conduit by kanachi. There was a Prestige class from the d20 line of games that basically did this as it's capstone and I absolutely loved the idea of it.

2012-09-11, 12:01 PM
Ok so firstly let me say this has been an awesome challenge and having the chance to go through and peach all your work was a total pleasure! The standard of the entries has been extremely high and its genuinely been very tough for me to pick my top 3, but here they are...

1st: The Mime by Jester of Doom.
This class blew me away with its simple yet extremely flexible approach. In many ways is does almost everything my class does but without the need for a file of character sheets. I love my own class, but I rate this one as higher than it, which should really tell you everything you need to know.

2nd: Anointed Heritor by God Imperror
Snap son! Now this is a base class. Its brim full of awesome mechanics and flavour which, while not something i personally burn for, is most certainly well thought out and excellently presented. This is the most polished class in the contest by some distance. Exquisite work from start to finish.

3rd. The Storyteller Bard by Quellian-dyrae
The coolest class in the contest and though its never going to feature in any game of mine I cant deny its genius. I love the flavour and the structure of the class. This class would be a seminal piece in almost any homebrewers catalogue.

Special mention for: The Dark Vessel by Derjuin
This class was just so close to my top 3 i wanted to have it tied for 3rd place and pretty much had to flip a mental coin to determine if this or the Storyteller Bard got the spot. None the less I'm a big BIG fan of this one.

Special mention for: The Persona by GuyFawkes
Sadly this one for me was sort of replaced by the Mime, even though they fill different roles (cant really explain what i mean). None the less this was another class which I really wanted to crowbar into the top 3 but couldn't. I love the mechanics and the fluff is awesome!

Final Special mention for: Cycle Warden by sirpercival
This almost snuck in right at the end! I was taken quite by surprise by this late comer which really tries something different and presents it in an imaginative way. I wish you had a bit more time to refine it and hope you do so outside the contest because as is it just feels ever so slightly off to m

2012-09-11, 03:38 PM
Votes tallied.

It speaks volumes that there are "special mentions" this voting thread for the quality of the classes. :smallsmile:

God Imperror
2012-09-11, 05:42 PM
Good luck everyone I cannot vote to everyone of you so I will try to keep it simple (at least I can choose 3 classes) but I would play almost any of them and that's the best compliment I think I can make to a class.

1st Dark vessel by Derjuin I liked it just by seeing the images and the quotes once I got to the actual class mechanics I fell in love. I really like the fluff of the class and how everything is handled to get to a very solid and balanced class.

2nd The mime by Jester of Doom simple, good, simple is good. This is it. I mean seriously why wouldn't you play a mime?

3rd Dimensional conduit by Kanachi Seriously this class has evolved so much, has generated such a great fluff at its back and it is awesome (a tad powerful for my liking but awesome). I would really love to play one. And Kanachi those were some awesome peaches you made, thanks pal.

And now some special mentions because you deserve it. Cycle warden is cool and refreshing and I plan to use it sometime I really like the seasonal flings I will keep an eye open for any changes to the class or anything related to it. Jack of all blades is also an awesome initiator class, it is really open and customizable so that is great. Quantum mage, the pic, so full of win, it is also nice seeing the class evolve from its first steps. Other than that, if you participated in the contest it was great to have you, all of your classes made me feel competitive in the good sense and creative and helped me push my neurons a bit further, thank you so much for the contest all entries were great.

1 - Anointed Heritor by God Imperror. Lots of customizable options; took a relatively common concept and implemented it quite well. Needs some editing for grammar & clarity.

Will work on that, help will be really appreciated English is not even my second language so I surely screw up quite a lot.

2nd: Anointed Heritor by God Imperror - There's just a lot of things you could do with it, so that every time you play one, you could make an entirely different character fluff- and mechanics-wise.

That was the whole point of the class :smallbiggrin: I will work on creating even MOAR options.

2nd: Anointed Heritor by God Imperror
Snap son! Now this is a base class. Its brim full of awesome mechanics and flavour which, while not something i personally burn for, is most certainly well thought out and excellently presented. This is the most polished class in the contest by some distance. Exquisite work from start to finish.

Yep I know that the fluff is not something that you really love I hope to be able to polish it once it gets its own thread :smallsmile:

Ps. Temotei the link in the main post is to the wrong contest :smallredface: It is to XII Race race.

Milo v3
2012-09-11, 06:13 PM
1st. Dimensional Conduit
2nd. Dark Vessel
3rd. Anointed Heritor

2012-09-11, 08:02 PM
1st - Jack of All Blades. The class does several things with maneuvers that I like, and often use variations of as default house rules (multiple stances for one, and the whole maneuvers known and maneuvers readied thing never made much sense to me). It just stands out as a solid, playable class that I feel could easily fit into most games.

2nd - The Persona. A lot of the classes had great options for flexibility and customization. For whatever reason, this one stuck out to me, I think because of the Jack of All Trades abilities, which give you a nice baseline build that still benefits from using your adaptation features. The ability score swapping was also a cool touch.

3rd - Cycle Warden. I really just liked the premise of this one, and how it fit into the contest's theme.

2012-09-11, 09:45 PM
1. Cycle Warden, sirpercival- What can I say: he took the theme I started out on, but took it in a different direction, made it work, and overall did a great job. The custom disciplines and feats are a nice bonus as well. Fully Deserves top billing in my opinion.

2. Anointed Heritor, God Imperror- I thought that this might be trying to put too much into one class, but the particular method of dividing the abilities, as well as the incarnum-like investing system balance it to a decent degree.

3. Morphic Claw, Zaydos-I'll admit, I like this archetype, specific though it may be, and sometimes the lack of ways to truly embrace it annoys me. I think this does a good job of building a natural attacker, while not cripplingly over-specializing it or giving up too much in return for the main ability of the class, like the soulknife.

Special Mention: Persona, Dimensional Conduit- These classes are ranked a bit low for one real reason: I feel they lack a certain elegance. Oh, there are a couple other issues I could name with them, but the main one is that, in trying to do everything at the same time I feel that they lost the ease of use that I usually assign to the best constructed classes.

Furthermore, there is the Quantum Mage and Dark Vessel. I'm going to be honest, I put these on the same rank as the Morphic Claw. In the end, a dice roll came up in the Claw's Favor, which is why it's getting the 3rd place vote form me, but really, amazing job to both Derjuin and malonkey1.

2012-09-11, 11:43 PM
Votes tallied.

Gideon Falcon
2012-09-12, 12:45 PM
1: Cycle Warden from sirpercival.
2: Morphic Claw from Zaydos

2012-09-12, 02:39 PM
1: Cycle Warden from sirpercival.
2: Morphic Claw from Zaydos

There has to be a third place vote. I'll tally them after you include one.

2012-09-13, 10:07 PM
1st - Cycle Warden, SirPercival
2nd - Dimensional Conduit, Kanachi
3rd - The Persona, GuyFawkes

2012-09-16, 07:42 PM
Votes tallied.

Silva Stormrage
2012-09-18, 03:02 PM
1: Dark Vessel
2: Cycle Warden
3: Everready

2012-09-19, 05:48 AM
1. Cycle Warden
2. The Persona
3. Jack of All Blades

2012-09-19, 09:20 AM
I just want to thank Temotei for making such a great theme for this contest, because all of these classes are awesome. I have been looking at the challenge thread everyday just to see what was new and what had been added since I went to bed.

I have to say it was difficult.
My personal favorite from the beginning remained to the end but there were some rocky moments.
1st. The Conduit by Kanachi- Great work and thank for all the extras you added. The idea of switching classes has been done but I love the way this was done.
2nd. Cycle Warden by SirPercival. Love the flavour and how varied it is which is fit to the theme. The seasons. Ha! I love it and all aspects of it.
3rd. Aaah such a toss up. Anointed Heritor by GodImpError. I'm a sucker for souls. The versatility and fluff is something I've always liked about Incarnum and Vestiges. Nice flavorful twist. Thank you may I have seconds!

I feel like one of those Oscar winners. I just want to thank all the participants individually but I just don't have the time.(In class now) :D

Great work all!!!!! Can't wait to see you in the next Challenge!

2012-09-19, 12:06 PM
Votes tallied. I'll PM Gideon Falcon since he hasn't replied or edited his post.

2012-09-21, 03:09 PM
1. Cycle Warden
2. Awakener
3. Dimensional Conduit
Honorable Mention: Annointed Heritor, The Persona
Another Mention: Dark Vessel


Why First: Cycle Warden has a lot going on, very flexible, so it's a class in which many people can find something they like. The mechanics seem pretty smooth and playable, even if complex - the complexity makes it fun as well as powerful. I like complex. I'd like playing a Cycle Warden - one of my important criteria!

Why Second: Awakener doesn't have as much going on as some of the other classes but what it does, it does well. The mechanics seemed reasonably smooth. And especially, there is tremendous role-play potential in awakening almost anything in the environment - I've played a character who could do some of that, but not so explicitly as an Awakener. I'd definitely like playing an Awakener.

Why Third: Dimensional Conduit also has a lot going on, and is the ultimate in flexibility (along with other entries in the contest). Anyone could find something to like in it, such as being able to play all of their favorite character ideas at once (with a few constraints), if nothing else. On the other hand, it has less flavor of its own than my first and second place votes, since it relies to an extent on the multiple characters to create the flavor. I'd like playing a Dimensional Conduit; who wouldn't!

Why Honorable Mention: Annointed Heritor has potential; it's an interesting idea, but needs further development and smoother mechanics.

Why Honorable Mention: The Persona is the other "ultimate in flexibility" entry, which I really like about it, but its mechanics aren't as smooth as Dimensional Conduit, with at least one inherent problem: In particular the block to memories while in another Persona seems like a role-play problem, with meta-gaming challenges. Getting around it with appropriate in-game solutions, as levels go up, may be interesting to play, but then the class starts losing some of its own flavor - wasn't the isolation of one Persona from another the point in the first place? Definitely worth an honorable mention, though, a cool idea.

Why a Mention: Dark Vessel is also worth a mention because I thought I was going to like it when I began reading, but liked it less as I got further in. My suggestion: A deep and dangerous!! connection to an elemental type is a great idea, but mixing in evil irremediably doesn't work for me, and may lose a significant number of players besides me. I suggest the class could be written with light, gray, and dark sides to it, which may broaden its appeal. I guess then it's not "Dark Vessel", so you'd need to tweak the name... Deep Vessel? Again, IMHO.

Thanks to all submissions; all have cool things about them. And to the contest organizer.

2012-09-22, 01:45 AM
Votes tallied.

2012-09-24, 07:21 PM
1st - Anointed Heritor
2nd - Cycle Warden
3rd - Mime

The Quantum Mage also amused me with its picture and quote, and makes a fine Transmutation-focused version of the Beguiler or True Necromancer.

2012-09-24, 08:26 PM
Votes tallied.