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Sgt. Cookie
2012-09-12, 09:45 AM
If you pick up: a level of Bard, Harmonious Knight and the Devoted performer (CAdv) feat, by RAW (I think) 1 level of Paladin gives you: 1 Bardic Music AND 1 use of HK's Inspire courage.

So you could (Assuming that HK and Bard ICs stack, and Words of Creation are in use) pull off 4d6 of DFI, 6 times per day AND you still have 4-5 uses of IC. At level 6. Right? Or wrong?

MrLemon
2012-09-12, 11:23 AM
This seems legit.

A Bard 1, Paladin (Harmonious Knight ACF) 5 gets:
- 6 uses of Bardic Music (as a lvl 1 Bard)
- 5 uses of the HK's IC ability (as a level 5 HK)

Note that Words of Creation works only with the Bard part
A bard who has the Words of Creation
feat can use these powerful words to enhance his bardic music
ability as detailed below.

More notes:
- Song of the Heart also only works on "real" Bardic Music
- As does DFI
- HK's IC does NOT scale with level as BM does!
=> Overall pretty bad, actually

Flickerdart
2012-09-12, 11:33 AM
The Harmonious Knight only gains Inspire Courage uses, not Bardic Music uses, and its bonus never scales, so it's profoundly useless even if you double up on activations per day.

MrLemon
2012-09-12, 11:40 AM
And if you want a lot of BM per day, there's always the good old Extra Music Feat

Darrin
2012-09-12, 11:52 AM
Add the Initiate of Milil feat, and then your paladin levels will count as bard levels for determining bardic music effects.

However... it's not clear if this feat, in and of itself, gives you full-on bardic music if you didn't have it already. Combined with the Harmonius Knight ACF, it looks like you'd get Inspire Courage that scales as you level up (along with Inspire Competence and Inspire Greatness from the other substitution levels), but might not get any other kind of bardic music (unless your DM was feeling particularly generous). To get the rest of bardic music, then you might have to dip Bard, Warrior Skald, Heartfire Fanner, Virtuoso, etc.

kardar233
2012-09-12, 11:57 AM
Shouldn't the IC bonuses not stack, as they're morale bonuses?