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RFLS
2012-09-24, 06:40 AM
So, I just pulled an all nighter writing a paper (kill me now), and had a few ideas for fixing some of the monk's biggest problems.
Sidenote- I'm aware that Swordsage is amazing for this, and that PF has that monk archetype that starts with a Q and is unpronounceable. Bear with me.

1) Alter flurry of blows to explicitly be usable as part of a standard action attack; i.e, at level 11, the monk can make 3 attacks as part of a standard attack action.

2) Alter their unarmed strike class feature to use Dex for attack/damage rolls.

3) Still Mind- toss this, diamond body, and diamond soul. At the level the monk got Still Mind, the monk adds his Wisdom modifier to saves.

4) Wholeness of body- change it to read "A monk can channel energies that are healing to himself equal to his monk level * his Wisdom modifier in hit points per day, in order to heal himself and his allies.

5) Abundant Step can now be used a number of times per day equal to 4+Wisdom modifier, as a move action.

6) Scoot tongue of the sun and moon waaaay down the list.

Chambers
2012-09-24, 07:25 AM
Welcome to the sad and unfulfilling world of Monk revisions. Here are some links to others who have strayed this way.

Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216108). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87242). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164308). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249168). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254093). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254211). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244099).

I think your changes are fine.

RFLS
2012-09-24, 08:22 AM
Welcome to the sad and unfulfilling world of Monk revisions. Here are some links to others who have strayed this way.

Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216108). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87242). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164308). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249168). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254093). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254211). Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244099).

I think your changes are fine.

Ah, I thought the taste of despair in my mouth was that of writing a paper for a poorly taught class. I see now that I was wrong.

Do you have a recommended monk fix? I'd like to play one, but....not so badly as to play, you know, a monk.

Psyren
2012-09-24, 09:20 AM
Your changes bring them to T4, but no higher. Dex to attack and damage would help a lot, though they'd still be behind a power-attacking Barbarian or Fighter damage-wise. Wis to saves is nice but saving throws were never a big problem for them anyway. They can move and flurry now but this is functionally little different than a Barbarian's pounce. Wholeness of Body still doesn't heal for much (they're still MAD) And Abundant Step is still only good for running away since you can't do anything after using it.

kitcik
2012-09-24, 10:01 AM
Let's get them down to Wis/Con.

Wis to att/dam and also init off Wis.

capstone ability = no auto fails on saves

full BAB and flurry on non full attack

your changes on wholeness and abundant

1st level bons feat: impr grapple or impr trip
they get stunning fist automtaically

6th level bonus feat: impr disarm OR impr unarmed strike

slow fall works without a wall - they use ki to manipulate the air currents

purity of body works on ALL diseases

tongue of the sun and moon provides multiple orgasms in addition to the usual effect

Psyren
2012-09-24, 10:05 AM
Let's get them down to Wis/Con.

Wis to att/dam and also init off Wis.

capstone ability = no auto fails on saves

full BAB and flurry on non full attack

your changes on wholeness and abundant

1st level bons feat: impr grapple or impr trip
they get stunning fist automtaically

6th level bonus feat: impr disarm OR impr unarmed strike

slow fall works without a wall - they use ki to manipulate the air currents

purity of body works on ALL diseases

tongue of the sun and moon provides multiple orgasms in addition to the usual effect

Still T4. Though that last one could at least get you a fanatic cohort.

kitcik
2012-09-24, 10:13 AM
Still T4. Though that last one could at least get you a fanatic cohort.

Yes, but you would at least feel more like you weren't getting a crapload of uesless features.

Psyren
2012-09-24, 10:26 AM
There's nothing wrong with T4. It's a perfectly acceptable, if challenging balance point. It simply means that in some situations, the DM may have to lend you an assist. (Though not as much of one as a T5 or T6 would need.)

RFLS
2012-09-24, 12:23 PM
Hmm...perhaps, instead of a duplicate Lay on Hands ability, they gain fast healing equal to their Wisdom modifier when out of combat.

Change them to 6+Int skills.

Give them Spring Attack without the pre-reqs at level 2.

Abundant Step now functions as a move action teleport, with a total distance per day equal to 10*Wis modifier feet. It does not prevent further actions.

Feather Fall is altered so that you may treat vertical surfaces as horizontal for the indicated distance, in either direction.

Hand wraps are now enchantable items that you can wear over your hands (I feel as though this is actually RAW somewhere, or at least a very common houserule.)

Lateral
2012-09-24, 03:04 PM
Do you have a recommended monk fix? I'd like to play one, but....not so badly as to play, you know, a monk.

Jiriku's fix is pretty damn solid.

RFLS
2012-09-24, 04:30 PM
Jiriku's fix is pretty damn solid.

That's...actually exactly what I was after. Thank you.