-Full Character Optimization-

[Bulix]

Hi,
I'm a new player to my party and I want my character to be really powerful from the start and still get progressively more powerful each level. Something really fun to play. Also, I dislike spellcasters. I could be ok being a support class, but no bard. There is already a Scout and a Fighter in my group.

Thank you :smallbiggrin:

Only core books, standard races and subraces, 3.5, Level 4.

[only1doug]

Hi,
I'm a new player to my party and I want my character to be really powerful from the start and still get progressively more powerful each level. Something really fun to play. Also, I dislike spellcasters. I could be ok being a support class, but no bard. There is already a Scout and a Fighter in my group.

Thank you :smallbiggrin:

What level, what sources, what character generation method, what version of the game?

[kitcik]

I want my character to be really powerful from the start and still get progressively more powerful each level. I dislike spellcasters.

This could be a problem. DO you mean you dislike playing spellcasters or that you dislike spellcasters and want to kill them all, but wouldn't mind casting a bit yourself in order to do it?

If the latter, you could be in business. If the former, you will at best be a one-trick pony. Although it could be a fun one-trick pony, like Hood or Hulk or something with big damages or some kinda lockdown build.

[ryu]

Or google Old Man Henderson and port the idea's main principle to dnd. No it's not descriptive but it IS easy.

[Piggy Knowles]

There is already a Scout and a Fighter in my group.

Thank you :smallbiggrin:

Only core books, standard races and subraces, 3.5, Level 4.

Hmm... usually "only core books" means "only the PHB, MM and DMG," but you say there's a scout in the party, which isn't in the above books. Can you be more explicit about what books are available?

In any case, if you really just mean the core books, I'd suggest you look into the Horizon Tripper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80415). It's a pretty classic core-only melee build that's pretty decent.

If you have access to more books, I can make more suggestions, but that's a start.

[Novawurmson]

Here's a quick look at the core classes:

Bard, Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Ranger, Sorcerer and Wizard are out because you don't want a spellcaster.

Monks are out because you want to become more powerful as you level.

There's already a Fighter in the group.

Your choices are mainly Barbarian and Rogue unless you/your DM are open to other sources. Note that Scout is from Complete Adventurer.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Bluh... my head hurts from the impossibilities... really powerful, but noncaster and only core books. Only core books, but another player is playing a Scout. Does not compute.

Do you only have the core books? Because there's ways to legally get a lot of non-core content online. Excerpts, web enhancements, the SRD... and you can always borrow your friends' books.

[Malroth]

Psion using Psionic rules on SRD

[Mystral]

Your best bet would be a rogue. You could support by your skills and do a lot of damage with two weapon fighting.

If you have other sources available, I'd ask if a Class from Tome of Battle is a caster in your opinion. If not, a crusader or warblade that focuses on white raven maneuvers would be just what you are looking for. You could also play a knight, you'd be supporting as in tanking while the other guys fokus on putting out the hurt.

[Snowbluff]

Psion using Psionic rules on SRD

Warblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2) is free, as well. Though, this would only help if the only reason why it's core-only would be lack of books.

[prufock]

Bard, Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Ranger, Sorcerer and Wizard are out because you don't want a spellcaster.

I wouldn't throw Paladin and Ranger out for their spellcasting; it's almost incidental. A Ranger dip for a little better BAB, Track, Favored Enemy, and 2-weapon fighting as a bonus feat would work with Rogue.

Human Ranger 2/Rogue 2 with Weapon Finesse, Improved Initiative, and Two-Weapon Defense or Quick Draw or something.

There isn't really a LOT of optimization you can do with level 4, core only, and no spellcasting.

[Piggy Knowles]

Warblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2) is free, as well. Though, this would only help if the only reason why it's core-only would be lack of books.

Warblade may be free, but all the maneuvers, stances, et al aren't. It'd be like playing a wizard but ripping out the spell section from the back of the PHB...

[demigodus]

I'm assuming you allow the Complete books (due to the scout)

In that case, go Wild Shape Ranger (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#ranger), and take some ACF that drops your spell casting. Or keep it. You aren't going to be using it anyways.

At lvl 6, go into Master of Many Forms (Complete Adventurer). Go all 10 levels in the class.

Not quite spell caster, but still pretty powerful and flexible.

[dextercorvia]

Warblade may be free, but all the maneuvers, stances, et al aren't. It'd be like playing a wizard but ripping out the spell section from the back of the PHB...

Oh, but they are. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20061225a)

[Piggy Knowles]

Oh, but they are. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20061225a)

Huh... Never even thought about the maneuver cards. I take it back!

[toapat]

your options come down to 4 things:

Paladin. You have access to core. this means you also have access to Divine Spirit (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070209a), and Mystic Fire Knight (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20051104a). whether you can get the last 3 things you need, which would be Sword of the Arcane Order, Battle Blessing, and the keystone of Serenity (and i mean keystone. Serenity fixed paladin with a single swift blow). CG paladin (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/UA:Paladin_of_Freedom_Class_Features) is within all of this, and is better then LG paladin

Rogue: pretty good

Warblade: You already have a fighter, do you really want to make said fighter cry?

Ranger: Making the Scout cry is another option